[jet]

Is that it's okay for her to be two faced and a hypocrite but nobody else can.

She is fuming that Chris or Ashleigh pretended to get along with her because they 'had to', (which they haven't, they said they like her better now) yet says that she's only getting on with Asheligh because she's in the house...how's that for a hypocritical statement?

"I don’t particularly like Ashleigh but I’ve got on with her because I’ve had to. In the real word I’d turn around and say to her, ‘I can’t ******ing stand you, do not speak to me do not look at me, do not cross my path, I can’t ******ing stand you."

So did she tell Ashleigh she couldn't ******* stand her, did she tell tell not to speak or look at her? Not a chance! The 'tell it like it is to your face' Helen is just as two faced as they come.

[Glenn.]

Does anyone even pay attention to what Helen says?

[jet]

Originally Posted by Glenn

Does anyone even pay attention to what Helen says?

It's a strange phenomena, because when Helen does something negative that doesn't fit in with certain ingrained views about her (at least she's not a hypocrite) (at least she's not two faced) then ears suddenly close up and eyes suddenly lose the power of sight. There must be a name for this affliction. Anyone know what it's called?

[MrWong]

Originally Posted by jet

It's a strange phenomena, because when Helen does something negative that doesn't fit in with certain ingrained views about her (at least she's not a hypocrite) (at least she's not two faced) then ears suddenly close up and eyes suddenly lose the power of sight. There must be a name for this affliction. Anyone know what it's called?

Confirmation bias.

A part of that is something called belief perseverance, where the person sticks with a belief even when it's shown to be false.

[jet]

Originally Posted by MrWong

Confirmation bias.

A part of that is something called belief perseverance, where the person sticks with a belief even when it's shown to be false.

Thanks MrWong.
Belief perseverance. That's interesting. I've just seen a good example of it in this thread.

[Johnnyuk123]

Originally Posted by jet

Is that it's okay for her to be two faced and a hypocrite but nobody else can.

She is fuming that Chris or Ashleigh pretended to get along with her because they 'had to', (which they haven't, they said they like her better now) yet says that she's only getting on with Asheligh because she's in the house...how's that for a hypocritical statement?

"I don’t particularly like Ashleigh but I’ve got on with her because I’ve had to. In the real word I’d turn around and say to her, ‘I can’t ******ing stand you, do not speak to me do not look at me, do not cross my path, I can’t ******ing stand you."

So did she tell Ashleigh she couldn't ******* stand her, did she tell tell not to speak or look at her? Not a chance! The 'tell it like it is to your face' Helen is just as two faced as they come.

[Dollface]

Originally Posted by jet

Is that it's okay for her to be two faced and a hypocrite but nobody else can.

She is fuming that Chris or Ashleigh pretended to get along with her because they 'had to', (which they haven't, they said they like her better now) yet says that she's only getting on with Asheligh because she's in the house...how's that for a hypocritical statement?

"I don’t particularly like Ashleigh but I’ve got on with her because I’ve had to. In the real word I’d turn around and say to her, ‘I can’t ******ing stand you, do not speak to me do not look at me, do not cross my path, I can’t ******ing stand you."

So did she tell Ashleigh she couldn't ******* stand her, did she tell tell not to speak or look at her? Not a chance! The 'tell it like it is to your face' Helen is just as two faced as they come.

The "Ashleigh is so two faced" posse can't exactly stick up for their "up front" Helen anymore

I stupidly enough thought that she and Ashleigh were genuinely getting along

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Dollface

The "Ashleigh is so two faced" posse can't exactly stick up for their "up front" Helen anymore

I stupidly enough thought that she and Ashleigh were genuinely getting along

I never did,I felt both were just tolerating each other with fewer in the house and operating a truce of sorts.
I never believed they would be able to agree or get along all the time.

To be fair to both, they have made however a really big effort as to working together and getting along in tasks but for me that was always as far as it was going to go.
Way too much water under the bridge between these 2 to be really getting along and really genuinely being friends.

Not a chance.

[rubymoo]

They're all two faced hypocrites

[jet]

Originally Posted by rubymoo

They're all two faced hypocrites

But...but...Helen isn't! She's upfront!

[Creggle]

Originally Posted by rubymoo

They're all two faced hypocrites

This, to a degree they all are. Even Ashleigh. Infact I'd say out of them all the least two faced/hypocritical is Winston.

[Dollface]

Originally Posted by Craigy_CraigO

This, to a degree they all are. Even Ashleigh. Infact I'd say out of them all the least two faced/hypocritical is Winston.

I actually very much agree with this

[joeysteele]

No it's not alright for Helen to be 2 faced.
As to being a hypocrite,well,we can all be hypocritical at times I think anyway.

However, helen is not 2 faced,you get told where you stand with Helen,few,if indeed any, are left in any doubt what she is like or what she thinks of them.

[Jake.]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

No it's not alright for Helen to be 2 faced.
As to being a hypocrite,well,we can all be hypocritical at times I think anyway.

However, helen is not 2 faced,you get told where you stand with Helen,few,if indeed any, are left in any doubt what she is like or what she thinks of them.

The OP proves that your latter point isn't really the case though Joey, she hasn't let on to Ashleigh that she's only getting on with her because she needs to..

But yeah I brought up this hypocritical point earlier, well said.

[Achilles]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

No it's not alright for Helen to be 2 faced.
As to being a hypocrite,well,we can all be hypocritical at times I think anyway.

However, helen is not 2 faced,you get told where you stand with Helen,few,if indeed any, are left in any doubt what she is like or what she thinks of them.

Helen said she doesn't like Ashleigh and has only been pretending to like her. Helen was voted most 2 faced housemate and rightly so. She is the very definition of 2 faced. I gave her the benefit of the doubt but you could still see the bitterness from Helen aimed at Ashleigh if you watch the show closely. Remember when Ashleigh got her letter from home? Watch Helen's face. She DOES the right thing and tries to SAY the right thing, but it's completely false and deep down she can't stand her. She admitted it last night, from her own mouth. The only reason Helen "made friends" with Ashleigh is try and improve her own popularity. The week 1-2 Helen is the REAL Helen and it resurfaced last night. She tried to take advantage of overhearing a conversation between a pissed Chris and Ashleigh. She deliberately ignored the positive and the context, and spun it to try and twist the other housemates and viewers to side with Helen

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Achilles

Helen said she doesn't like Ashleigh and has only been pretending to like her. Helen was voted most 2 faced housemate and rightly so. She is the very definition of 2 faced. I gave her the benefit of the doubt but you could still see the bitterness from Helen aimed at Ashleigh if you watch the show closely. Remember when Ashleigh got her letter from home? Watch Helen's face. She does all the right things and says the right things, but it's completely false and deep down she can't stand her. She admitted it last night, from her own mouth.

Helen however has never said she liked Ashleigh, all through she has always said she disliked her and more.
I am surprised anyone ever even possibly thought these 2 could ever like each other or be friends at all.
I never saw them being friends just tentatively tolerating each other.

As to the letter from home, I don't care for Ashleigh but I still thought that was nice and would have said so but it wouldn't have changed my view as to her overall at all.

It cannot make her false since she never liked Ashleigh or ever said she liked Ashleigh in the first place.
I could see the bad times returning between these 2,they likely really detest each other in reality.

[jet]

Belief perseverance.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Achilles

Helen said she doesn't like Ashleigh and has only been pretending to like her. Helen was voted most 2 faced housemate and rightly so. She is the very definition of 2 faced. I gave her the benefit of the doubt but you could still see the bitterness from Helen aimed at Ashleigh if you watch the show closely. Remember when Ashleigh got her letter from home? Watch Helen's face. She DOES the right thing and tries to SAY the right thing, but it's completely false and deep down she can't stand her. She admitted it last night, from her own mouth. The only reason Helen "made friends" with Ashleigh is try and improve her own popularity. The week 1-2 Helen is the REAL Helen and it resurfaced last night. She tried to take advantage of overhearing a conversation between a pissed Chris and Ashleigh. She deliberately ignored the positive and the context, and spun it to try and twist the other housemates and viewers to side with Helen

Good post. She actually SAID "I've been two faced". At least she admits it.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

No it's not alright for Helen to be 2 faced.
As to being a hypocrite,well,we can all be hypocritical at times I think anyway.

However, helen is not 2 faced,you get told where you stand with Helen,few,if indeed any, are left in any doubt what she is like or what she thinks of them.

[Kazanne]

oh God,PLEASE all agree with jet and co in here,just to get some peace from it all it,s so so tedious and immature

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

oh God,PLEASE all agree with jet and co in here,just to get some peace from it all it,s so so tedious and immature

I never agree for the sake of agreeing Kazanne,

I am just one at least, who never saw this as a new friendship of any measure at all.
Neither of them are now false for calling the other because neither have ever liked the other.
Furthermore,I would predict, they never will either.

I'm surprised so many that dislike Helen still want to talk about her so much and give her publicity,I really have little wish to talk about Ashleigh at all.
Although I will give her credit odd times 'if' I feel she warrants it.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I never agree for the sake of agreeing Kazanne,

I am just one at least, who never saw this as a new friendship of any measure at all.
Neither of them are now false for calling the other because neither have ever liked the other.
Furthermore,I would predict, they never will either.

I'm surprised so many that dislike Helen still want to talk about her so much and give her publicity,I really have little wish to talk about Ashleigh at all.
Although I will give her credit odd times 'if' I feel she warrants it.

You could pull my finger nails out and I would still not agree with people I know are talking utter BS ,never be a sheep is something everyone should learn in life !!

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

You could pull my finger nails out and I would still not agree with people I know are talking utter BS ,never be a sheep is something everyone should learn in life !!

Again I agree with all that Chuff.

[jet]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

You could pull my finger nails out and I would still not agree with people I know are talking utter BS ,never be a sheep is something everyone should learn in life !!

What utter bull****? Are you denying Helen said that is what she really thinks of Ashleigh yet doesn't say it to her face? Are you denying she admitted she had been two faced? That is what we are talking about, so what is utter bull****?

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by jet

What utter bull****? Are you denying Helen said that is what she really thinks of Ashleigh yet doesn't say it to her face? Are you denying she admitted she had been two faced? That is what we are talking about, so what is utter bull****?

No one can accuse Helen of not saying it to faces ,why else has she had her warnings she's no sneak unlike the swanky sly mare