chris, christopher, and ashleigh: Cant stand them!

[toronto_matt]

someone really has to help me with this, i started off LOVING chris and christopher from the start and throughout most of the series

ashleigh, i was always so so on, especially during her month long hiding in corners with danielle moaning and snickering stage but i never actually "disliked" her

and helen, my god, i despised her, i could not stand her! i honestly thought there was no way i could dislike a housemate ever again as much as i did her BUT

something happened, dont ask me what, there just came a point where i realized chris, christopher and ashligh started to really get to me and i found myself while not "liking" helen per say, but i started to understand her more and slowly but surely, the tables completely flipped and i found myself pro helen!

its madness i know..

i know there are alot of hardcore helen fans out there that have loved her from the start, but is there anyone else that started off absolutely despising the woman to now wanting her to win? i mean, i cant be the only one.. can i?

[kistar]

someone really has to help me with this, i started off LOVING chris and christopher from the start and throughout most of the series

ashleigh, i was always so so on, especially during her month long hiding in corners with danielle moaning and snickering stage but i never actually "disliked" her

and helen, my god, i despised her, i could not stand her! i honestly thought there was no way i could dislike a housemate ever again as much as i did her BUT

something happened, dont ask me what, there just came a point where i realized chris, christopher and ashligh started to really get to me and i found myself while not "liking" helen per say, but understanding her more and her point of view. and slowly but surely, the tables completely flipped and i found myself pro helen!

its madness i know..

i know there are alot of hardcore helen fans out there that have loved her from the start, but is there anyone else that started off absolutely despising the woman to now wanting her to win? i mean, i cant be the only one.. can i?
I think a lot if people are warming to Helen , maybe we shouldn't have judged her so quickly , I'm glad we have had time to see more of her and to understand her .

I still find it difficult to like her but let's just say I dislike her less now.

[Brother Leon]

Christopher is really likable tbf. I still don't get how Chris or Ashleigh are considered "Nice" though :laugh:

[kistar]

Christopher is really likable tbf. I still don't get how Chris or Ashleigh are considered "Nice" though :laugh:

It's all about perception I guess :shrug:

[toronto_matt]

Christopher is really likable tbf. I still don't get how Chris or Ashleigh are considered "Nice" though :laugh:

ya to be fair i still do like christopher, i know i lumped him in their with chris and ashleigh but hes actually not that bad

but ashleigh and chris, the definition of nice does not come to mind

i couldnt believe it in last nights highlight show when i actually heard her insult helens looks, called her ugly rofl, i mean really? your insulting someone based on how they look??

thats like the go to insult when you've run outta material "your ugly!" bravo LOL

nasty girl!

[Lex]

someone really has to help me with this, i started off LOVING chris and christopher from the start and throughout most of the series

ashleigh, i was always so so on, especially during her month long hiding in corners with danielle moaning and snickering stage but i never actually "disliked" her

and helen, my god, i despised her, i could not stand her! i honestly thought there was no way i could dislike a housemate ever again as much as i did her BUT

something happened, dont ask me what, there just came a point where i realized chris, christopher and ashligh started to really get to me and i found myself while not "liking" helen per say, but i started to understand her more and slowly but surely, the tables completely flipped and i found myself pro helen!

its madness i know..

i know there are alot of hardcore helen fans out there that have loved her from the start, but is there anyone else that started off absolutely despising the woman to now wanting her to win? i mean, i cant be the only one.. can i?

Excellent post matt. :clap1: ...apart from the Christopher bit [I stil want him to win!] I agree whole heartedly! :thumbs:

[Redvines]

I have had the same feelings as the OP. I started going off Chris when Danielle left and he became Ashleigh's new Danielle. I liked Christopher until Mark choose to befriend Christopher after Matthew left. Both Chris and Christopher choose to play second fiddle to Ashleigh and Mark respectively.

[CaudleHalbard]

Ashleigh = trainee bitch
Chris = got issues
Christopher = ok

[bots]

I think there are quite a few with similar views as the OP including myself. Not sure if I would go as far as wanting Helen to win, but I would like the Helen trio in the top 3 now. Its a funny old world

[toronto_matt]

i just think we deserve a winner that completely puts themselves out there, for good or for bad and does not hide aspects of their personality for the cameras.

i may not like helen 100% of the time, but i can honestly say after 2 months of watching this show i can say I KNOW WHO SHE IS. weather i like what i see or not

chris? i literally have no idea who he is.. asheligh, same thing, very closed off, very reserved, ya shes young, shes only 18, but being young and "surviving" the big brother experience doesnt make you a winner

then again... helen having the pass to the final probably made her more open and honest, so i can see the flip side. all im saying is, i want a winner thats actually done something for 2 months, not someone thats "nice" or someone that you feel sorry for

thats not what i watch this program. i want entertainment, i want to be entertained! and helen, well shes entertained!

but realistically i know she cant and wont win, thats fine, but as bitontheslide said, a top3, will be well deserved and will make me happy :)

[joeysteele]

i just think we deserve a winner that completely puts themselves out there, for good or for bad and does not hide aspects of their personality for the cameras.

i may not like helen 100% of the time, but i can honestly say after 2 months of watching this show i can say I KNOW WHO SHE IS. weather i like what i see or not

chris? i literally have no idea who he is.. asheligh, same thing, very closed off, very reserved, ya shes young, shes only 18, but being young and "surviving" the big brother experience doesnt make you a winner

Really well said,I agree with all you are saying in the main,I had Ashleigh in my top 3 at the start and Helen down in 15th place,.
Over the weeks the more I have learned as to both,I have now got Helen right up there on my list and it is Ashleigh way down.

It's been a really odd and uninspiring series but I don't usually have such a big turnaround as to housemates as I have had with Helen and Ashleigh.

[bots]

Its an odd one, usually viewers have something immediate that they can see and latch on to that they like or that they can identify with in a hm. This series has very much been more of an acquired taste, whether its seeing qualities that were not immediately obvious or situations/adversities that bring out aspects of someones character that they then appreciate

[user104658]

I think the unfortunate truth is that they're all pretty awful people... As I think, unfortunately, only certain types of person go for a place in BB now.

The most ironic thing about the Helen / Ashleigh split is that they have EXACTLY the same personality type. Give Ashleigh a baby and have her turn to prostitution, fast forward 10 years, dye her hair and... That's Helen. Helen is an older, jaded, and yet more down to earth Ashleigh.

Neither of them are good people.

The only half "decent" person in there is actually Ash. He's literally the ONLY one I've seen much genuine emotion from over the entire series: be that having fun and laughing about things that everyone else is getting worked up about, or the way that he was visibly gutted when he realised Winston was really gone - with no ulterior motive. Just genuinely sad about it. He also is the only one who seems to be genuinely happy when they're all getting along, and disappointed when it falls apart... And was the only one of ash/helen/Winston who was even vaguely remorseful about the breakout thing.

Basically he seems like a normal, friendly guy who went there to have a laugh but got sucked into a very negative series. Even as recently as last week he seemed genuinely keen for everyone to get along, when the rest were just paying lip service, and were simply looking for an excuse to end the ceasefire... Because they're happier sniping at each other. All of them.

And yet, I don't think he'd be a "worthy" winner... Because he's simply not been strong enough a character.

[Achilles]

I disagree with the entire contents of this thread

[Robodog]

i just think we deserve a winner that completely puts themselves out there, for good or for bad and does not hide aspects of their personality for the cameras.

i may not like helen 100% of the time, but i can honestly say after 2 months of watching this show i can say I KNOW WHO SHE IS. weather i like what i see or not

chris? i literally have no idea who he is.. asheligh, same thing, very closed off, very reserved, ya shes young, shes only 18, but being young and "surviving" the big brother experience doesnt make you a winner



Great post - very good point. Seeing a full person in all their good and bad is what makes the best HMs.

And for me too, that has to be Helen. Yet it used to be the other way round.

I started off finding Helen's arguing and voice grated on me and Ashleigh never annoyed me at all. Now it's pretty much the opposite.

For all Helen's 'bad side' of being moody and potty mouthed - i see more and more that Ashleigh is just as bad. The main difference between Helen and Ashleigh is that Helen vocalises it louder, but then it blows over and she always reflects on herself and her behaviour.

Ashleigh gets moody (not as outwardly angry as Helen) but it never seems to blow over with her, she keeps brooding on it. Big difference being - unlike Helen - you never hear Ashleigh reflecting on herself after her outbursts !

Also - Helen is not afraid to laugh at herself. Ashleigh never does that !

Funny how it can change, but that's part of what makes BB such a fascinating show.

.

[Lwize]

Sorry, I'm not drinking Helen's Koolaid...

[rionablue]

someone really has to help me with this, i started off LOVING chris and christopher from the start and throughout most of the series

ashleigh, i was always so so on, especially during her month long hiding in corners with danielle moaning and snickering stage but i never actually "disliked" her

and helen, my god, i despised her, i could not stand her! i honestly thought there was no way i could dislike a housemate ever again as much as i did her BUT

something happened, dont ask me what, there just came a point where i realized chris, christopher and ashligh started to really get to me and i found myself while not "liking" helen per say, but i started to understand her more and slowly but surely, the tables completely flipped and i found myself pro helen!

its madness i know..

i know there are alot of hardcore helen fans out there that have loved her from the start, but is there anyone else that started off absolutely despising the woman to now wanting her to win? i mean, i cant be the only one.. can i?

I did a total U turn on Helen and yes I have warmed to her in recent weeks. I don't like Chris and Ashleigh and I liked both of these housemates at the start. I do like Chrisopher and would like him Helen or Ash to win.

[toronto_matt]

I disagree with the entire contents of this thread

care to elaborate? i mean its fine if you do, im just interested to know exactly what you disagreed with in particular..

you dont agree that some people can have good "and" bad traits? you dont think you can support someone even tho you may not agree with them 100% of the time?

the thing i dont get is most ashleigh fans seem to think ashleigh has no faults at all, while helen fans (as well as helen herself) at least reflect and recognize her faults and mistakes.

all i ever read is, helen bad, helen bully, helen must go! its like ya, we get it, you dont like helen, but what about YOUR housemate? tell me about them! why should THEY win? not win by default because you dont like helen..

tell me why ashleigh should win without mentioning the word "helen" :)

[mrflibble]

I disagree with the entire contents of this thread
So do I :D I don't know what's so bad about being 'closed off', but maybe that's because that's how I am. I am extremely introverted, I love being alone and I only like having a small, close group of friends. So I find the Chris/Christopher/Ashleigh group very real, honest and relatable for me.

Whereas I feel Helen's manipulative with her 'good' side, lacks self-awareness and a filter, and is just plain nasty. I don't feel that it's good that she voices every single thought that pops into her head and is completely predictable because that means she has no ability or will to change her bad traits, doesn't care if she hurts other people and never reflects on anything she does. Just because we 100% know she is a nasty, aggressive and loud person doesn't mean we should like her for it.

It's a very difficult thing to show restraint and remain polite and cordial with people you don't like and keep a level-head when things aren't going your way and when people show these qualities I consider them a strong person and someone who I would say I liked. Helen shows none of these and Chris/Christopher/Ashleigh have (to different extents). The Ashleigh crew also demonstrate a lot of intelligence and thought, unlike the Helen crew.

[Achilles]

care to elaborate?

Ashleigh, Chris and Christopher are old school BB. I would rather have spent the last 2 months watching just those 3 in the house and none of the rest.

[toronto_matt]

Ashleigh, Chris and Christopher are old school BB. I would rather have spent the last 2 months watching just those 3 in the house and none of the rest.

old school BB is bitching about other people for the first 4 weeks of the show in a corner in the house with danielle?

old school BB is calling someone ugly? and insulting them based on physical appearance?

and 0 self reflection?

that doesnt sound like old school BB but our definitions may differ

as for chris i thought old school BB was regular people living in a house, not working ACTORS

[mrflibble]

Chris is a normal person though. He's not a big budget film star. He's done a few bit parts in small indie films and short films. Winston is someone who is more noticeable as an actor since he's been on TV shows that people watch. He's more a struggling actor than a working actor, tbf. Although I agree that I'd rather totally regular people over the types in the show these days.

[Achilles]

old school BB is bitching about other people for the first 4 weeks of the show in a corner in the house with danielle?

old school BB is calling someone ugly? and insulting them based on physical appearance?

and 0 self reflection?

that doesnt sound like old school BB but our definitions may differ

as for chris i thought old school BB was regular people living in a house, not working ACTORS

We see 6% of what happens in the house per day. I don't base my opinion on the BB edit. Ashleigh was thrown in a house with a bully and that bully had a gang. She has only just left school where she was the victim of bullying. If you were Ashleigh how would YOU cope? I will never support a bully and never hate a girl who stands up against bullies.

[toronto_matt]

We see 6% of what happens in the house per day. I don't base my opinion on the BB edit. Ashleigh was thrown in a house with a bully and that bully had a gang. She has only just left school where she was the victim of bullying. If you were Ashleigh how would YOU cope? I will never support a bully and never hate a girl who stands up against bullies.

i would attack that persons intellect not their physical features..

and say what you want about helen, she has never once mentioned or criticized the way ashleigh "looks", only the way she "acts"

calling someones face or someone as a whole ugly as an "insult" is pretty much as low as you can go, its shallow and its just downright rude. its pretty much scrapping the bottle of the barrel..

but hey, shes lovely right! ashleigh to win!

[JTM45]

say what you want about helen, she has never once mentioned or criticized the way ashleigh "looks", only the way she "acts"

That's just not true!
Helen's insulted Ashleigh's looks on more than one occasion. She's struggled to find things because, whether you like her or not, you can't deny that Ashleigh is a beautiful young lady and there's not a lot that can be criticized about the way she looks but Helen's still tried.

And calling someone 'ugly' is used to describe their personality and the way they behave as often as it is their physical appearance and there's no denying that Helen is ugly on the inside and filled with hatred and bitterness!

[Ammi]

i would attack that persons intellect not their physical features..

say what you want about helen, she has never once mentioned or criticized the way ashleigh "looks", only the way she "acts"

calling someones face or someone as a whole ugly as an "insult" is pretty much as low as you can go, its shallow and its just downright rude. its pretty much scrapping the bottle of the barrel..

..I agree that an attack one physical appearance is the lowest...and I don't recall Helen doing so as such with Helen but (I think) that Helen has made some remarks about Ashleigh's 'face' in terms of the expressions etc she pulls but I may be wrong about that but if I recall the whole DR rant with Ashleigh, she said she was ugly when she went off on one type thing..?..I'm not saying that's right but its a more general thing said in anger rather than some of the specifics that have been said about other housemates and some by Helen herself as well as others...also I think the 'lowest' for me is specifics that would obviously be sensitive to someone like Ashleigh's acne which has been referred to so many times on here and elsewhere on social sites...its picking at a 'weakness/sensitivity' in with someone, no better than if it were a disability....

[JTM45]

I remember Helen saying stuff about Ashleigh's skin and her having spots and she slagged off her hair several times saying it looked like straw.
She was really stretching to try and find anything though.:shrug:

[Ammi]

I remember Helen saying stuff about Ashleigh's skin and her having spots and she slagged off her hair several times saying it looked like straw.
She was really stretching to try and find anything though.:shrug:

..oh thanks, I couldn't recall but yeah, those are specifics about someone's appearance and Ashleigh has obviously got teenage acne so that would be a sensitivity..I'm not saying that calling someone ugly based on their appearance is right either but if I recall, she was referring to how Helen looked when she was going off on one....

[Ammi]

..I personally also think that personalities/unpleasant ones can strip people of their physical beauty..I'm sure people who don't like Ashleigh feel that as well, it's the inside shining through because that's the true beauty of someone....and they don't 'look' the same to you anymore...

[tanussa]

I'm like u, I thought helen was really horrible at the. beginning, but as series has gone on u can tell she honest, sincere and i know who I would rather have in my corner between her and ashleigh, ashleigh doesnt care one bit for.the various HMs who have been supposedly close to her in the house just uses them as support.

[Ammi]

..it's funny how we see things differently..(the beauty of it..)..because if I was to choose someone 'in my corner'..it wouldn't be someone who shrieks insults and abuse at people who may not like me or whatever...if I wanted for that to happen and felt it was acceptable then I would do it for myself....

[tanussa]

helen would have yor back more than ashleigh, cos the only back she has is her own

[Ammi]

helen would have yor back more than ashleigh, cos the only back she has is her own

..I have no idea who would 'have my back' more but the thing I am saying is I have my own back and that's all I would want...

[Cold Sweat]

i would attack that persons intellect not their physical features..

and say what you want about helen, she has never once mentioned or criticized the way ashleigh "looks", only the way she "acts"

calling someones face or someone as a whole ugly as an "insult" is pretty much as low as you can go, its shallow and its just downright rude. its pretty much scrapping the bottle of the barrel..

but hey, shes lovely right! ashleigh to win!

I think Ashleigh's opinion was that she doesn't see somebody that horrible as being attractive - was that not what she implied to Chris?

I "get" that opinion, for instance... I consider Danielle Lloyd to be a very ugly person.

[Razor]

They are my top three and have been from the beginning.

[Kazanne]

someone really has to help me with this, i started off LOVING chris and christopher from the start and throughout most of the series

ashleigh, i was always so so on, especially during her month long hiding in corners with danielle moaning and snickering stage but i never actually "disliked" her

and helen, my god, i despised her, i could not stand her! i honestly thought there was no way i could dislike a housemate ever again as much as i did her BUT

something happened, dont ask me what, there just came a point where i realized chris, christopher and ashligh started to really get to me and i found myself while not "liking" helen per say, but i started to understand her more and slowly but surely, the tables completely flipped and i found myself pro helen!

its madness i know..

i know there are alot of hardcore helen fans out there that have loved her from the start, but is there anyone else that started off absolutely despising the woman to now wanting her to win? i mean, i cant be the only one.. can i?

Yes exactly the same for me Toronto,Helens one of my faves now but really disliked her at the beginning,lets hope others have been openminded as to Helen.:thumbs:

[Kazanne]

I think Ashleigh's opinion was that she doesn't see somebody that horrible as being attractive - was that not what she implied to Chris?

I "get" that opinion, for instance... I consider Danielle Lloyd to be a very ugly person.

I also think it's ashleighs nastiness that makes HER ugly too

[Kazanne]

helen would have yor back more than ashleigh, cos the only back she has is her own

Ashleigh wouldn't have your back,she'de just fill it will holes!

[user104658]

..it's funny how we see things differently..(the beauty of it..)..because if I was to choose someone 'in my corner'..it wouldn't be someone who shrieks insults and abuse at people who may not like me or whatever...if I wanted for that to happen and felt it was acceptable then I would do it for myself....

Yes, have to agree with that, why anyone would want someone bleating, swearing and refusing to listen "in their corner" is beyond me... I'd be horrendously embarrassed. I'd probably end up telling her to pipe down... And then she'd turn on me and get bitchslapped :joker: (metaphorically, with words, of course... Not condoning physical violence)

[bots]

Yes, have to agree with that, why anyone would want someone bleating, swearing and refusing to listen "in their corner" is beyond me... I'd be horrendously embarrassed. I'd probably end up telling her to pipe down... And then she'd turn on me and get bitchslapped :joker: (metaphorically, with words, of course... Not condoning physical violence)

Ash has managed to get on with her without any issues. In my opinion, Ash is highly underrated, rather than making a drama and a crisis out of everything, he just quietly gets on with people. A lesson to be learned there I think.

[joeysteele]

Ash has managed to get on with her without any issues. In my opinion, Ash is highly underrated, rather than making a drama and a crisis out of everything, he just quietly gets on with people. A lesson to be learned there I think.

Absolutely right.
I think he is massively underrated,he has been a calming element in the house and aprt from some early misguded quotes,I do't think he has said or done anything really unpleasant since,despite having good reason to do so.

[Jules2]

I disagree with the entire contents of this thread

Me to, loved Christopher in his role as prosecutor, didnt he speak well. I have loved Chris since the beginning and was so grateful when Ashleigh went to him after Danielle left and told him that she wanted his friendship. He had been left out along with a few others. Their friendship is one of loyalty and trust along with Christopher.

On the other hand I was amazed at the amount of HMs read out by Christopher, whom Helen had had "fights" with. One forgets a lot.

CHRIS: ASHLEIGH and CHRISTOPHER for my final three.

[Jules2]

..I agree that an attack one physical appearance is the lowest...and I don't recall Helen doing so as such with Helen but (I think) that Helen has made some remarks about Ashleigh's 'face' in terms of the expressions etc she pulls but I may be wrong about that but if I recall the whole DR rant with Ashleigh, she said she was ugly when she went off on one type thing..?..I'm not saying that's right but its a more general thing said in anger rather than some of the specifics that have been said about other housemates and some by Helen herself as well as others...also I think the 'lowest' for me is specifics that would obviously be sensitive to someone like Ashleigh's acne which has been referred to so many times on here and elsewhere on social sites...its picking at a 'weakness/sensitivity' in with someone, no better than if it were a disability....

Hi to both, imo an insult is an insult no matter what is given much is said in the heat of the moment and many have been guilty of the same thing. What Ash, Helen and Pav are doing now to discredit Chris ad Ashleigh to the public, is beyond belief. They have never ever said before that they didnt like their relationship. Everyone stood up for Chris with Zoe being the main comforter.

Helen has a lot to answer for, in the papers it is said that she is going after another footballer, mind you we cannot always believe the papers, but this person is 40. How old is Helen, 27? This in itself proves that they are now using tactics to get the public on side. She is not honest at all. Also I do not remember Chris asking her to go abroad with him? He told her she was the most sexiest, a great compliment for her as she was downing herself at the time.

[joeysteele]

Ashleigh wouldn't have your back,she'de just fill it will holes!

My take too now, there comes times in a good number of peoples lives where they really need someone to help to or evn fight their corner.
IF and I stress 'if' Helen liked you and trusted you, then she is likely someone who would go tooth and nail to help you against someone or anything against you.

By the same token she could be likely ruthless against someone she didn't like at all,especially as to herself.
However,of the 2,she would be the one I would want on my side rather than not.

Whereas Ashleigh would possibly just sit back and say little or nothing,she would chat with you afterwards but probably not be in that ring with you at your side when really needed.
Speaking for me from what I have observed in the house by both of them, That is the conclusion I have personally reached.

[booboomartin]

someone really has to help me with this, i started off LOVING chris and christopher from the start and throughout most of the series

ashleigh, i was always so so on, especially during her month long hiding in corners with danielle moaning and snickering stage but i never actually "disliked" her

and helen, my god, i despised her, i could not stand her! i honestly thought there was no way i could dislike a housemate ever again as much as i did her BUT

something happened, dont ask me what, there just came a point where i realized chris, christopher and ashligh started to really get to me and i found myself while not "liking" helen per say, but i started to understand her more and slowly but surely, the tables completely flipped and i found myself pro helen!

its madness i know..

i know there are alot of hardcore helen fans out there that have loved her from the start, but is there anyone else that started off absolutely despising the woman to now wanting her to win? i mean, i cant be the only one.. can i?

no, your not. i feel exactly the same. i now find ashleigh so two faced. she along with chris are the two most nastiest in the house. when it comes to helen, they say everything behind closed doors.i cannot understand why christopher is friends with ashleigh, he must have a short memory when it comes to the treatment of him by her. neither her or chris have the balls to say what they really would love to say to helen, and when ashleighs devotees see her as someone so sweet well, please pass me the bucket. her devotees got rid of winston because they saw him as a threat to their princess (yuk), it was tactical voting at its worst. Helen to win :cheer2::cheer2:

[user104658]

Ash has managed to get on with her without any issues. In my opinion, Ash is highly underrated, rather than making a drama and a crisis out of everything, he just quietly gets on with people. A lesson to be learned there I think.

Ash is very emotionally stable, as shown when none of them bought the "angry ash" task at all. He wasn't even being very angry, just moaning about t-shirts, and they were still all like "... Ash is on a task, he never gets angry..." :joker:. He's genuinely very laid back and he has a calming influence on Helen, they are polar opposites emotionally (Helen has very little control) but that strangely makes them fit together well. I can't imagine what she would have been like without Ash offering perspective and a calm aura... With just people like Winston, Mark, etc. winding her up even more. I think she may even have overstepped the mark and been removed.
He's only occasionally been sucked into a bit of negativity and for the mostpart, as I said in another thread, has been the only housemate (except maybe Christopher, though not any more) who has genuinely seemed to like everyone and want everyone to get along. If he was to run into any of the other housemates in the street in 6 months time, he would be genuinely happy to see them.

As for comparing Helen and Ashleigh I do think some people are a little blind to the faults of both girls. If you wouldn't trust one, you shouldn't trust the other - they really do have exactly the same personality type and are, first and foremost, self-serving. Neither of them have ever stood up for another housemate unless the issue also affected them.

[wormsinfested]

I use to like all three of them, but chris and ashleigh just got more and more dreadful & douchy.

I still like christopher and hope he wins, because he is the only one in there with good morals even after all the times he has been talked down on, been laughed at and nominated.

[Tip]

I wouldn't say I particularly like any of them.

At a push I suppose if I had to interact with any of them it would be Chris, Christopher and (just about) Ash.

I would be embarrassed if Helen had my back - and I agree she's a lot more palatable when she isn't shouting - but I'll never have any interest in her unless she does something with her life which is pretty incredible.

I agree that Ashleigh is no saint and again, not someone I'd be interesting in interacting with.

[susie q]

So do I :D I don't know what's so bad about being 'closed off', but maybe that's because that's how I am. I am extremely introverted, I love being alone and I only like having a small, close group of friends. So I find the Chris/Christopher/Ashleigh group very real, honest and relatable for me.

Whereas I feel Helen's manipulative with her 'good' side, lacks self-awareness and a filter, and is just plain nasty. I don't feel that it's good that she voices every single thought that pops into her head and is completely predictable because that means she has no ability or will to change her bad traits, doesn't care if she hurts other people and never reflects on anything she does. Just because we 100% know she is a nasty, aggressive and loud person doesn't mean we should like her for it.

It's a very difficult thing to show restraint and remain polite and cordial with people you don't like and keep a level-head when things aren't going your way and when people show these qualities I consider them a strong person and someone who I would say I liked. Helen shows none of these and Chris/Christopher/Ashleigh have (to different extents). The Ashleigh crew also demonstrate a lot of intelligence and thought, unlike the Helen crew.

Great post

[MarcusMel]

I feel sorry for Helen and her abysmal lack of self worth and her wish to attack anybody who challenges any respect she feels she has for herself.

Ashleigh, seems to have too much undeserved self-respect and can't seem to let herself relax or be around with those that don't give her the respect she demands of them.

Ash, I don't see him as being nice. I still remember the look he had when up for eviction in the first week. It was a look that I felt could kill and still sends a shiver to my soul. If Ash doesn't like you, then life would be having every stupid thing you did mentioned over and over to drive you into anger and misery.

Christopher, Suspect that his energy and enthusiasm are like a dog greeting its master, overwhelming bounce and happiness, it is all too much of a good thing and very tiring to live with.

Pav, seems like someone who is swimming outside their comfort zone and trying to come to terms with a new situation. Did they show him during the 'finalist' task?

Chris :- Doubt anybody can get close to understanding him. See and analyses the world about him but can't communicate or more to the point be appreciated for the way he perceives the world. Probably the most misunderstood person of this BB series.

[booboomartin]

Christopher is really likable tbf. I still don't get how Chris or Ashleigh are considered "Nice" though :laugh:

i agree with you. i think christopher can be a bit annoying, but on the whole he is a decent bloke. ashleigh however is a spoilt, petulant brat who needs to look at herself a bit more closely. she goes on about helen, but at least helen will say things to your face, unlike miss prissy, who can only run to the diary room to complain and swear her head off. creepy chris is a lousy actor (perhaps thats why he cannot get a job) he pretends to like ashleigh in a 'friend' way. sorry, don't think so, and neither did her boyfriend when he was spoken to, in a telephone call in BBOTS. creepy and dishonest. :cheer2::cheer2:

[booboomartin]

We see 6% of what happens in the house per day. I don't base my opinion on the BB edit. Ashleigh was thrown in a house with a bully and that bully had a gang. She has only just left school where she was the victim of bullying. If you were Ashleigh how would YOU cope? I will never support a bully and never hate a girl who stands up against bullies.

if you do not support a bully, why are you supporting ashleigh. have you forgotton how she had a go at christopher. your princess prissy is a user (danielle and Chris), potty mouthed, has temper tantrums and is an all round two faced little cow (i am being very polite) :nono::nono:

[jjj2]

This is the Old " I used to love Ashleigh but now i love Helen " tactic , be honest OP you were always a Helen fan . Ashleigh FTW

[billy123]

A lot of people are really getting behind Helen now on twitter its getting pretty crazy.
Littlemix posted a helen to win tweet that has now been favourited and retweeted over 5000 times.
The tide is changing. I dont think it will be enough but its interesting to see.

[joeysteele]

A lot of people are really getting behind Helen now on twitter its getting pretty crazy.
Littlemix posted a helen to win tweet that has now been favourited and retweeted over 5000 times.
The tide is changing. I dont think it will be enough but its interesting to see.

I hate twitter but that is rather good to hear bobnot,anything can happen now it is only the supporters of each housemate actually voting for them.

It is easy to orchestrate a get someone out vote when there are a good number of housemates up voting to evict but to stop someone winning,that is much harder to achieve.

[booboomartin]

So do I :D I don't know what's so bad about being 'closed off', but maybe that's because that's how I am. I am extremely introverted, I love being alone and I only like having a small, close group of friends. So I find the Chris/Christopher/Ashleigh group very real, honest and relatable for me.

Whereas I feel Helen's manipulative with her 'good' side, lacks self-awareness and a filter, and is just plain nasty. I don't feel that it's good that she voices every single thought that pops into her head and is completely predictable because that means she has no ability or will to change her bad traits, doesn't care if she hurts other people and never reflects on anything she does. Just because we 100% know she is a nasty, aggressive and loud person doesn't mean we should like her for it.

It's a very difficult thing to show restraint and remain polite and cordial with people you don't like and keep a level-head when things aren't going your way and when people show these qualities I consider them a strong person and someone who I would say I liked. Helen shows none of these and Chris/Christopher/Ashleigh have (to different extents). The Ashleigh crew also demonstrate a lot of intelligence and thought, unlike the Helen crew.

asleigh is also a nasty, aggresive and loud person. the difference between her and helen is, that helen will say what she thinks to your face. ashleigh however will only say what she wants to certain people eg: having a go at christopher, but with others (helen) she has to rush to the diary room and swear her head off there. helen always reflects on what she has said, and will admit it if she thinks she is wrong. ashleigh on the other hand never thinks she is wrong. i cannot see where you say that ashleigh is able to show restraint, and remain polite when things are not going her way. are we both watching the same show?, miss prissy has thrown her toys out of her pram so many times i have lost count. as for showing intelligence, i think that ashleigh is very clever at manipulating the situation. she only has christopher on her side because mark has gone. chris is with her because he 'likes' her,but would like more, and thinks that there is going to be a big friendship between him, ashleigh and her boyfriend. i don't think her boyfriend is into threesomes, so she will drop him like a stone when this series is over. christopher is week, but on the whole a decent bloke. of those three i would only have christopher in the final

[mrflibble]

asleigh is also a nasty, aggresive and loud person. the difference between her and helen is, that helen will say what she thinks to your face. ashleigh however will only say what she wants to certain people eg: having a go at christopher, but with others (helen) she has to rush to the diary room and swear her head off there. helen always reflects on what she has said, and will admit it if she thinks she is wrong. ashleigh on the other hand never thinks she is wrong. i cannot see where you say that ashleigh is able to show restraint, and remain polite when things are not going her way. are we both watching the same show?, miss prissy has thrown her toys out of her pram so many times i have lost count. as for showing intelligence, i think that ashleigh is very clever at manipulating the situation. she only has christopher on her side because mark has gone. chris is with her because he 'likes' her,but would like more, and thinks that there is going to be a big friendship between him, ashleigh and her boyfriend. i don't think her boyfriend is into threesomes, so she will drop him like a stone when this series is over. christopher is week, but on the whole a decent bloke. of those three i would only have christopher in the final
I disagree with most of that, though I did say they had all shown restraint and politeness to different extents, Ashleigh has got fed up a number of times. Helen saying 'oh that was wrong' is not Helen reflecting - to reflect means to realise what you've done that is wrong and to take steps to change it. She knows what she's doing is wrong and she says that for everyone else's sake - but she doesn't care. And as I said in my post, it's not necessary to tell everyone everything you think about them as you think it. Ashleigh stops herself most of the time and goes to vent in private, which is a much nicer way of dealing with issues. Someone like Helen will not accept criticism and will not listen to someone else telling her she is wrong (which is also why she'll say 'that was wrong of me', so people think she's learned from her mistakes, but continuously makes the same mistakes).

Helen is also the instigator for 90% of the problems in that house, and when someone is as aggressive and nasty as she is, it's very difficult to do anything in that confined space. Ashleigh has not been aggressive towards Helen, she's been defensive and stood her ground. She has said nasty things but who hasn't against someone who's treated you like Helen has treated her? And loud, well she has to be to get a word in. I've compared Helen before to an injured animal that just growls and bites at everyone who comes near it and that's all she will be until she realises how her actions affect others. Whereas Ashleigh's the animal that's had enough of being mistreated and fights back.

[sungrass]

I think the unfortunate truth is that they're all pretty awful people... As I think, unfortunately, only certain types of person go for a place in BB now.

The most ironic thing about the Helen / Ashleigh split is that they have EXACTLY the same personality type. Give Ashleigh a baby and have her turn to prostitution, fast forward 10 years, dye her hair and... That's Helen. Helen is an older, jaded, and yet more down to earth Ashleigh.

Neither of them are good people.

The only half "decent" person in there is actually Ash. He's literally the ONLY one I've seen much genuine emotion from over the entire series: be that having fun and laughing about things that everyone else is getting worked up about, or the way that he was visibly gutted when he realised Winston was really gone - with no ulterior motive. Just genuinely sad about it. He also is the only one who seems to be genuinely happy when they're all getting along, and disappointed when it falls apart... And was the only one of ash/helen/Winston who was even vaguely remorseful about the breakout thing.

Basically he seems like a normal, friendly guy who went there to have a laugh but got sucked into a very negative series. Even as recently as last week he seemed genuinely keen for everyone to get along, when the rest were just paying lip service, and were simply looking for an excuse to end the ceasefire... Because they're happier sniping at each other. All of them.

And yet, I don't think he'd be a "worthy" winner... Because he's simply not been strong enough a character.


That is the most insightful comment I have read on here.

I see all of the same things - I wonder if it takes someone over the age of say 25 to see what Ashleigh is likely to turn into one day? Of course she is not worried about money right now - - she has never had to really take care of herself independently or anyone else. :shrug: Thats not her fault its just her age.

But she can bitch - yet never really to anyone's face. She has done nothing to deserve all this "fan boy" rubbish - nothing amazing at all- she has not really comforted or cared for anyone- i really do not get it - just being Helens enemy shouldn't make her a winner- she hardly stopped Helen or taught Helen anything - what a waste of time- but maybe the viewers who are her age relate to her?? and her being the same age as them is enough for them to go over the top supporting her. She really is just very 'meh'

And it is really hard to 'like' any of them. The 'power' theme was so negative this year.

[sungrass]

I hate twitter but that is rather good to hear bobnot,anything can happen now it is only the supporters of each housemate actually voting for them.

It is easy to orchestrate a get someone out vote when there are a good number of housemates up voting to evict but to stop someone winning,that is much harder to achieve.

I do think at the moment I am going to support Helen. Which is just crazy. I went of Chris when he said he would take the money. A pact is a pact in my eyes. Christopher is a phony.

There is opportunity for a character like Helen to grow and heal and develop into a better one. Even Chris spotted it.
She has made the show.

Ashleigh did not 'effect' the matter. She was too weak to ever really do anything but sit around in corners with Danielle. She did not entertain at all. She did not fight back. She did absolutely nothing!

[sungrass]

if you do not support a bully, why are you supporting ashleigh. have you forgotton how she had a go at christopher. your princess prissy is a user (danielle and Chris), potty mouthed, has temper tantrums and is an all round two faced little cow (i am being very polite) :nono::nono:

True

[Jules2]

I feel sorry for Helen and her abysmal lack of self worth and her wish to attack anybody who challenges any respect she feels she has for herself.

Ashleigh, seems to have too much undeserved self-respect and can't seem to let herself relax or be around with those that don't give her the respect she demands of them.

Ash, I don't see him as being nice. I still remember the look he had when up for eviction in the first week. It was a look that I felt could kill and still sends a shiver to my soul. If Ash doesn't like you, then life would be having every stupid thing you did mentioned over and over to drive you into anger and misery.

Christopher, Suspect that his energy and enthusiasm are like a dog greeting its master, overwhelming bounce and happiness, it is all too much of a good thing and very tiring to live with.

Pav, seems like someone who is swimming outside their comfort zone and trying to come to terms with a new situation. Did they show him during the 'finalist' task?

Chris :- Doubt anybody can get close to understanding him. See and analyses the world about him but can't communicate or more to the point be appreciated for the way he perceives the world. Probably the most misunderstood person of this BB series.

Re Chris, I have understood him from day one, when he went in I thought no. I looked at Ash and thought yes! How wrong was I. The only good thing about Ash is his looks but the best thing about Chris is his understanding of a situation. His knowledge of the pen and how to put an impression onto paper. His readiness to take himself to task if he thinks he has done something wrong and his gratitude at something being pointed out to him via the media.

Sadly his realisation that his impressions were right in the first place puts him straight back to the first weeks in the house. We have to congratulate him though for trying to discover the good in everyone in the knowledge that there is something somewere along the line. Some we have to dig deeper with than others. Some the good is only shown with those who they think will grovel to them but, Chris is his own person and he knows that he is a force unto himself. He is great! He will go far and deserves the recognition that he is a great artist.

[sungrass]

..I agree that an attack one physical appearance is the lowest...and I don't recall Helen doing so as such with Helen but (I think) that Helen has made some remarks about Ashleigh's 'face' in terms of the expressions etc she pulls but I may be wrong about that but if I recall the whole DR rant with Ashleigh, she said she was ugly when she went off on one type thing..?..I'm not saying that's right but its a more general thing said in anger rather than some of the specifics that have been said about other housemates and some by Helen herself as well as others...also I think the 'lowest' for me is specifics that would obviously be sensitive to someone like Ashleigh's acne which has been referred to so many times on here and elsewhere on social sites...its picking at a 'weakness/sensitivity' in with someone, no better than if it were a disability....

She doesn't seem to have acne - she has clear perfect skin. Pretty low if people have taken the mick out of that.
I think she may have done modelling for freederm or something? I don't know

[HBB1508]

Re Chris, I have understood him from day one, when he went in I thought no. I looked at Ash and thought yes! How wrong was I. The only good thing about Ash is his looks but the best thing about Chris is his understanding of a situation. His knowledge of the pen and how to put an impression onto paper. His readiness to take himself to task if he thinks he has done something wrong and his gratitude at something being pointed out to him via the media.

Sadly his realisation that his impressions were right in the first place puts him straight back to the first weeks in the house. We have to congratulate him though for trying to discover the good in everyone in the knowledge that there is something somewere along the line. Some we have to dig deeper with than others. Some the good is only shown with those who they think will grovel to them but, Chris is his own person and he knows that he is a force unto himself. He is great! He will go far and deserves the recognition that he is a great artist.

:clap1::clap1:

[Lstan]

someone really has to help me with this, i started off LOVING chris and christopher from the start and throughout most of the series

ashleigh, i was always so so on, especially during her month long hiding in corners with danielle moaning and snickering stage but i never actually "disliked" her

and helen, my god, i despised her, i could not stand her! i honestly thought there was no way i could dislike a housemate ever again as much as i did her BUT

something happened, dont ask me what, there just came a point where i realized chris, christopher and ashligh started to really get to me and i found myself while not "liking" helen per say, but i started to understand her more and slowly but surely, the tables completely flipped and i found myself pro helen!

its madness i know..

i know there are alot of hardcore helen fans out there that have loved her from the start, but is there anyone else that started off absolutely despising the woman to now wanting her to win? i mean, i cant be the only one.. can i?

Just wanted to say although those 3 are my favourite i understand if people dont feel the same way because everyone has their own opinion and i know many people have strong opinions on here but i see the plus and negative points of each housemate because everyone has good/bad points to them.

[Allegra]

someone really has to help me with this, i started off LOVING chris and christopher from the start and throughout most of the series

ashleigh, i was always so so on, especially during her month long hiding in corners with danielle moaning and snickering stage but i never actually "disliked" her

and helen, my god, i despised her, i could not stand her! i honestly thought there was no way i could dislike a housemate ever again as much as i did her BUT

something happened, dont ask me what, there just came a point where i realized chris, christopher and ashligh started to really get to me and i found myself while not "liking" helen per say, but i started to understand her more and slowly but surely, the tables completely flipped and i found myself pro helen!

its madness i know..

i know there are alot of hardcore helen fans out there that have loved her from the start, but is there anyone else that started off absolutely despising the woman to now wanting her to win? i mean, i cant be the only one.. can i?

There has been much hype about Helen and her 'journey'. Even the so-called analysts on BBBOTS are not allowed to speak freely e.g. pointing to obvious personality disorders, when evidently present. Helen is a classic NPD (so is Pauline, Toya, Steven and Mark, to a lesser extent) any change in her behaviour is a mere environmental adjustment for the sole purpose of obtaining/regaining favour from her surroundings. She is, and always has been (since a very young age), void of any true sense of self. A person such as this is incapable of change. For Helen the diary room serves only as a self-validation tool. Anything that people hear her saying is mere game play. Throughout the show we have seen her continuously colliding with her fellow housemates - this enables her to trigger a response, enabling her to 'feel'. These confrontations provide her with endless opportunities to vent her anger and aggression. Praise=validation, Criticism= attack.

For professionals, Helen's behavioural patterns suggest a pathology which is deeply disturbing. Therapy will often not work, leaving people like this to roam the world, inflicting damage wherever they go. Deeply wounded from early childhood, they remain the most toxic people anyone will ever meet!

I hope that this 'warming' sensation is a mere projection - in which case, it is perfectly understandable. A real character assessment of Helen, however, will never arrive anywhere warm.

[user104658]

There has been much hype about Helen and her 'journey'. Even the so-called analysts on BBBOTS are not allowed to speak freely e.g. pointing to obvious personality disorders, when evidently present. Helen is a classic NPD (so is Pauline, Toya, Steven and Mark, to a lesser extent) any change in her behaviour is a mere environmental adjustment for the sole purpose of obtaining/regaining favour from her surroundings. She is, and always has been (since a very young age), void of any true sense of self. A person such as this is incapable of change. For Helen the diary room serves only as a self-validation tool. Anything that people hear her saying is mere game play. Throughout the show we have seen her continuously colliding with her fellow housemates - this enables her to trigger a response, enabling her to 'feel'. These confrontations provide her with endless opportunities to vent her anger and aggression. Praise=validation, Criticism= attack.

For professionals, Helen's behavioural patterns suggest a pathology which is deeply disturbing. Therapy will often not work, leaving people like this to roam the world, inflicting damage wherever they go. Deeply wounded from early childhood, they remain the most toxic people anyone will ever meet!

I hope that this 'warming' sensation is a mere projection - in which case, it is perfectly understandable. A real character assessment of Helen, however, will never arrive anywhere warm.

Post of the thread IMO.

There's only one word to describe Helen, and that is "broken". I honestly believe that people are just desperate to believe that she has changed, or can change, or that they've seen a different side to her... That this can be a redemption storyline.

In truth, like all of the world's Helens, she does have moments where she "sees herself" and doesn't like it, and fleetingly makes a conscious effort to be different, and people mistakenly believe that to be change. Unfortunately that sort of broken personality is completely driven by the subconscious and she will ALWAYS snap back to her original state as soon as her concentration breaks. She's a human memory foam mattress. She won't, and can't, ever change.

I also fear that it's inevitable that anything more we hear of Helen Wood beyond big brother will be all negative.

[Miranda123]

someone really has to help me with this, i started off LOVING chris and christopher from the start and throughout most of the series

ashleigh, i was always so so on, especially during her month long hiding in corners with danielle moaning and snickering stage but i never actually "disliked" her

and helen, my god, i despised her, i could not stand her! i honestly thought there was no way i could dislike a housemate ever again as much as i did her BUT

something happened, dont ask me what, there just came a point where i realized chris, christopher and ashligh started to really get to me and i found myself while not "liking" helen per say, but i started to understand her more and slowly but surely, the tables completely flipped and i found myself pro helen!

its madness i know..

i know there are alot of hardcore helen fans out there that have loved her from the start, but is there anyone else that started off absolutely despising the woman to now wanting her to win? i mean, i cant be the only one.. can i?

I was exactly the same!

hated Helen in the first few weeks, loved Chris, felt sorry for Christopher cause he was being incessantly bullied by Pauline & Toya, I didnt at that point, notice the little blond thing hiding under Paulines apron so I had no feelings either way about Ashleigh
As time went on, and Toyas face was being shown on screen more than any of us had the stomach to put up with, I started loving Helen & the cool gang cause they were the only people having any fun, the rest were too caught up in the hate thing
I noticed the little blonde thing for the first time cause it opened its mouth and spoke to Toya about wanting to smash Danielles face in for daring to talk to Kim, that was when I first noticed her
the rest is just a blur of her slagging off Helen & Ash, and even Winston (til he stood up for her) and brushing her hair..................er.....thats it

Helen To WIN!!!

[Miranda123]

Post of the thread IMO.

There's only one word to describe Helen, and that is "broken". I honestly believe that people are just desperate to believe that she has changed, or can change, or that they've seen a different side to her... That this can be a redemption storyline.

In truth, like all of the world's Helens, she does have moments where she "sees herself" and doesn't like it, and fleetingly makes a conscious effort to be different, and people mistakenly believe that to be change. Unfortunately that sort of broken personality is completely driven by the subconscious and she will ALWAYS snap back to her original state as soon as her concentration breaks. She's a human memory foam mattress. She won't, and can't, ever change.

I also fear that it's inevitable that anything more we hear of Helen Wood beyond big brother will be all negative.

Too long to read.......HELEN TO WIN!!

[sungrass]

There has been much hype about Helen and her 'journey'. Even the so-called analysts on BBBOTS are not allowed to speak freely e.g. pointing to obvious personality disorders, when evidently present. Helen is a classic NPD (so is Pauline, Toya, Steven and Mark, to a lesser extent) any change in her behaviour is a mere environmental adjustment for the sole purpose of obtaining/regaining favour from her surroundings. She is, and always has been (since a very young age), void of any true sense of self. A person such as this is incapable of change. For Helen the diary room serves only as a self-validation tool. Anything that people hear her saying is mere game play. Throughout the show we have seen her continuously colliding with her fellow housemates - this enables her to trigger a response, enabling her to 'feel'. These confrontations provide her with endless opportunities to vent her anger and aggression. Praise=validation, Criticism= attack.

For professionals, Helen's behavioural patterns suggest a pathology which is deeply disturbing. Therapy will often not work, leaving people like this to roam the world, inflicting damage wherever they go. Deeply wounded from early childhood, they remain the most toxic people anyone will ever meet!

I hope that this 'warming' sensation is a mere projection - in which case, it is perfectly understandable. A real character assessment of Helen, however, will never arrive anywhere warm.


:nono::nono:
Its become very common at the moment to diagnose personality disorders at ease. In truth NPD is really very rare. In the way you have mentioned it - yes Helen has some traits of NPD but everyone person does though! She has traits not the condition.

Helen is not devoid of empathy nor does she use people for her own gain in a manipulative fashion. If she does not like someone - they know it. Even to her own detriment. Not NPD. NPD's are often characterised as "a wolf in sheeps clothing" Their self image is their preoccupation they NEED to be admired, seen as perfect. Helen has not done this. She knows and accepts she is not liked.

She genuinely would have the split the money. Her word is important to her. That is her value. A true NPD only has self advancement as a value - this means PRETENDING to be caring to get the top.

She talks HONESTLY. This means she is not Machiavellian, which is a significant trait in true NPD.

She has traits of NPD but anyone who enters a house to be watched 24/7 by cameras and the country does.

I the whole personality disorder spectrum has been taken way out of hand, people are over diagnosing it. And by the way the psychotherapists have mentioned narcissism in the past. I personally think due to his delusions of grandeur it is Steven that was the most NPD of the lot.

:thumbs:

[Daffodil]

Christopher is really likable tbf. I still don't get how Chris or Ashleigh are considered "Nice" though :laugh:

Agree wholeheartedly.

[jessicadanielle]

if you do not support a bully, why are you supporting ashleigh. have you forgotton how she had a go at christopher. your princess prissy is a user (danielle and Chris), potty mouthed, has temper tantrums and is an all round two faced little cow (i am being very polite) :nono::nono:

None of these characteristics of Ashleigh amount to a bully. Having a go at Christopher one time is not bullying. Helen's, Pauline's, and maybe even Toya and Tamara's treatment of Christopher and Jale at the beginning of the series was relentless and malicious and intended to make them feel isolated. That was bullying. Ashleigh shouted at Christopher once because she was in a pissy mood. Not saying it was right of Ashleigh to shout at Christopher for nothing, but that was not bullying.