James has some personal issues to deal with.

[Videostar]

If he gets that wound up and threatens to hit a 70 year old simply because he didn't like being jokingly called "gay" then he clearly has problems.

It was James that started that whole nonsense off in the first place.

[Denver]

Homophobia is not acceptable

[JoshBB]

He never threatened to hit him? What the ****?

[Heaven = Winner]

He didn't threaten Gary though.

I don't like how offended and aggressive James got during that little misunderstanding, though. It's good to watch as a viewer, but it shows that he has some attitude issues imo.

[LukeB]

Homophobia is not acceptable

:clap1:

[Pete.]

Gary's the one that has problems tbh

[Nell_McCoy]

Homophobia is not acceptable

What homophobia are we talking about - the bending over joke by James in front of Leslie? or Gary's vulgar continuation of it ? - either could be construed as homophobic. Now I've seen the whole think I think both were out of order but James was also arrogant and unfairly self-righteous about how the whole incident which HE started panned out.

[Marsh.]

He did it on purpose. He laughed about it at first and joked about a "cheeky finger" and then decided to get all butt hurt.

[Shaun]

He did it on purpose. He laughed about it at first and joked about a "cheeky finger" and then decided to get all butt hurt.

should've used that vaseline then

[Sophiee]

james never threatened anybody? :conf:
gary was clearly at fault here in my opinion; homophobia or signs of are taken seriously nowadays and I think james was right to call him out on it because whether he's homophobic or not, his comment could have come across offensively so it was a future warning for him.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Oh ffs it wasn't homophobic. I agree that James has some issues.

[Shaun]

james never threatened anybody? :conf:
gary was clearly at fault here in my opinion; homophobia or signs of are taken seriously nowadays and I think james was right to call him out on it because whether he's homophobic or not, his comment could have come across offensively so it was a future warning for him.

a) no it couldn't, because
b) it wasn't
and c) if James is so sensitive to these issues then perhaps refrain from crude "ooh I'm bending over how gay loool x" jokes in the first place, and also refrain from immediately grunting "**** off" in response to questions of his sexuality.

[Videostar]

Homophobia is not acceptable

Agreed.

James needs to be picked up on that.

[Livia]

James wouldn't stand up because he was afraid Gary was going to hang one on him. I'd have quite enjoyed that.

[bots]

He did it on purpose. He laughed about it at first and joked about a "cheeky finger" and then decided to get all butt hurt.

Agree, james made the homophobic comment in the first place

[Liam-]

Agree, james made the homophobic comment in the first place

What homophobic comment would that be?

[Sophiee]

a) no it couldn't, because
b) it wasn't
and c) if James is so sensitive to these issues then perhaps refrain from crude "ooh I'm bending over how gay loool x" jokes in the first place, and also refrain from immediately grunting "**** off" in response to questions of his sexuality.
I don't think it was meant to be an offensive comment either but the fact is that it has offended some people and I can see why despite not being personally offended. I think it was more to do with gary's choice of words; james did nothing wrong here.

[Ammi]

a) no it couldn't, because
b) it wasn't
and c) if James is so sensitive to these issues then perhaps refrain from crude "ooh I'm bending over how gay loool x" jokes in the first place, and also refrain from immediately grunting "**** off" in response to questions of his sexuality.

..yep..you can't make jokes about something and then take offence when someone does the same and follows on with it...

[Shaun]

I don't think it was meant to be an offensive comment either but the fact is that it has offended some people and I can see why despite not being personally offended. I think it was more to do with gary's choice of words; james did nothing wrong here.

Fact? Where are these offended people? I don't see any.

And except overreact and proceed to bitch and whine about it all day before actually talking it out with Gary, but OK

[Denver]

Even lesley took offence and said he ran quick

[Samm]

james never threatened anybody? :conf:
gary was clearly at fault here in my opinion; homophobia or signs of are taken seriously nowadays and I think james was right to call him out on it because whether he's homophobic or not, his comment could have come across offensively so it was a future warning for him.

This, I have strangely warmed to him more tonight

If James was the one who said the butt hurt thing he would be getting hate from everywhere..

[Heaven = Winner]

Even lesley took offence and said he ran quick

No I think that's just when the confrontation kicked off.

[Shaun]

Even lesley took offence and said he ran quick

Avoiding an argument is a sign of offence now :laugh: people really overuse the 'offended' word.

[billy123]

Neither of them came out of that well.
And James did threaten to hit Gary he said "I have never hit a 70 year old before but..."

[mizzy25]

James totally over reacted, Gary asked him if he was gay? All he had to say was no im not, instead of going into some kind of rant about it. yes after that I think Gary said the but finger joke or whatever he said, and it was kind incomfortable but then james just made it worse and looked like a bloody idiot tbh. What made me lol was ricci in the background oblivious to it all checking himself out in the mirror.

[mizzy25]

I thought james had said he had never MET a 70 year old before not hit lol

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Even lesley took offence and said he ran quick

No he didn't lol.

[Samm]

I thought james had said he had never MET a 70 year old before not hit lol

what

[Marsh.]

Gary was homophobic because a STRAIGHT guy decided to take offence on behalf of gay people? :laugh: Even though he himself joked about bending over and liking a finger up his arse?

But when Gary says it it's homophobic.

Ok. :pat:

[SocietyIsRuined]

Nothing to do with homophobia. Shows how you can't have fun in Britain anymore before someone shouts you down and plays a card.

[bots]

The "i've never hit a 70 year old before" comment, implies that he is not unfamiliar with hitting people of other ages :shocked:

[Marsh.]

And the line "we don't joke about that in this country" what?

The country that produces comedy overloaded with sexual innuendos (the Carry On films etc). Coming from the guy who started the joke about being bummed. :laugh:

[Shaun]

*tries to mop up all of the tea Marsh just spilt*

[Marsh.]

:smug:

[Videostar]

Gary was homophobic because a STRAIGHT guy decided to take offence on behalf of gay people? :laugh: Even though he himself joked about bending over and liking a finger up his arse?

But when Gary says it it's homophobic.

Ok. :pat:
LOL :thumbs:

[Samm]

James is probably more sensitive to stuff then other people

[Marsh.]

Then why did James step back and have an expression of horror on his face when Gary jokingly said that to him?

James took it as a massive insult to being called "gay"...now why would James be so offended?

Well he's married to a woman so I presumed he was straight. If he's not as comfortable in his sexuality as he said then it explains the overreaction.

[Videostar]

Well he's married to a woman so I presumed he was straight. If he's not as comfortable in his sexuality as he said then it explains the overreaction.

My thinking too.

[Marsh.]

What if James is more sensitive to stuff then other people

Sensitive to gay jokes... when he's straight. :laugh:

I'm very sensitive about ginger jokes.... with my brown hair.

[CaudleHalbard]

James is in an industry where you are presumed gay until proved otherwise. Perhaps this increases his sensitivity on the subject?

[Kazanne]

James totally over reacted, Gary asked him if he was gay? All he had to say was no im not, instead of going into some kind of rant about it. yes after that I think Gary said the but finger joke or whatever he said, and it was kind incomfortable but then james just made it worse and looked like a bloody idiot tbh. What made me lol was ricci in the background oblivious to it all checking himself out in the mirror.

Trust you to spot that Mizzy:joker::joker::joker::joker:

[billy123]

I thought james had said he had never MET a 70 year old before not hit lolOh you could be right Mizzy i have only seen it the once and i thought he said hit but i dont know.

[Marsh.]

James is in an industry where you are presumed gay until proved otherwise. Perhaps this increases his sensitivity on the subject?

So why make a joke and act camp for laughs if he's so sensitive about it? :conf:

Any adult answers a question with a simple answer. How was Gary to know if he was gay or straight, he doesn't know him.

[CaudleHalbard]

So why make a joke and act camp for laughs if he's so sensitive about it? :conf:
I agree. It all seems mighty odd.

[Sophiee]

Fact? Where are these offended people? I don't see any.

And except overreact and proceed to bitch and whine about it all day before actually talking it out with Gary, but OK
all over social media :umm2: even some on this very forum.
and why the assumptions that they didn't talk it over straight away?

[SocietyIsRuined]

Any adult answers a question with a simple answer. How was Gary to know if he was gay or straight, he doesn't know him.

I just think James is up his own backside. He is so self obsessed that he's the winner and nobody ever has to question his opinion.

[Videostar]

I just think James is up his own backside.

That is a poor choice of phrase for this discussion. :joker::laugh:

[Denver]

Re watching it they are both in the wrong and they both should be careful what they say or do

[joeysteele]

James is in an industry where you are presumed gay until proved otherwise. Perhaps this increases his sensitivity on the subject?

Good point indeed that CaudleHalbard.

I was on that thought too, I also thought James ended up a bit more confused by it all than when it started,after his 'chat' with Gary.

It is too early to assume you can say anything to anyone,not knowing how they may,never mind will take it,so Gary may have been better to have not said anything here.

I found it all fairly humerous to watch but thought it could have turned ugly,thankfully it didn't.

[rionablue]

They were both wrong but James even more so as he spoke DOWN to Gary barking at him to look at him when he was addressing him and also continuing the argument when it was over. James should have simply said he is happily married, straight and doesn't like any insinuations that he is otherwise. Gary perhaps took it too far but lets not forget James started it. James was an upstart in Strictly and he is going to be one on Celeb BB also but with his wage for Strictly gone down the swanee now he had to take up the offer of appearing on CBB.

From all the years I have watched Strictly I have never liked James and tonight proved the reason why I dislike him. He thinks he above everyone and will continue to do so I am betting till his is turfed out on his toned little arse

[Sophiee]

They were both wrong but James even more so as he spoke DOWN to Gary barking at him to look at him when he was addressing him and also continuing the argument when it was over.
which is exactly what gary does, he was just giving him a taste of his own medicine :pipe:.

[Vicky.]

Gary was homophobic because a STRAIGHT guy decided to take offence on behalf of gay people? :laugh: Even though he himself joked about bending over and liking a finger up his arse?

But when Gary says it it's homophobic.

Ok. :pat:

And the line "we don't joke about that in this country" what?

The country that produces comedy overloaded with sexual innuendos (the Carry On films etc). Coming from the guy who started the joke about being bummed. :laugh:

Says it all really :joker:

[Ammi]

..hmmmm, I don't know whether he's playing a game or just trying too hard to be the 'daddy'....

[Mick]

Neither of them came out of that well.
And James did threaten to hit Gary he said "I have never hit a 70 year old before but..."

Yes that was my take on it six of one and half a dozen of the other but that comment was bang out of order.

I feel James is a little to far up his own backside (no pun intended) appears to have an ego problem and comes across as rather arrogant.

Gary ? I am not sure if he is doing the "I am Hollywood" bit or just a little eccentric.?

Whatever making an implied threat to hit a 70 year old guy was not nice and not needed.

[Ammi]

Yes that was my take on it six of one and half a dozen of the other but that comment was bang out of order.

I feel James is a little to far up his own backside (no pun intended) appears to have an ego problem and comes across as rather arrogant.

Gary ? I am not sure if he is doing the "I am Hollywood" bit or just a little eccentric.?

Whatever making an implied threat to hit a 70 year old guy was not nice and not needed.

..yeah that was so bad and really quite staggering he said that...with the rest, I think there's a little bit of the 'alpha male' going on there Mick but I don't like when James discusses Gary with others or even directly things he says to Gary..it's a 'you' and 'we' type thing..does he meant the whole country or the housemates V Gary..?...

[Mick]

..yeah that was so bad and really quite staggering he said that...with the rest, I think there's a little bit of the 'alpha male' going on there Mick but I don't like when James discusses Gary with others or even directly things he says to Gary..it's a 'you' and 'we' type thing..does he meant the whole country or the housemates V Gary..?...

Hi Ammi if so you have to ask whats Alpha about targeting an elderly guy from another country.If they are trying him out for all the wrong reasons and in the wrong way I think they will get the worst of it.

Regardless of the rights or wrongs of the argument I felt James made himself look a total dick and those involved in the bed prank did themselves no favours.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I just think james got cross and offended by being asked if he was gay

he saw being gay as a slight on his manhood

[lostalex]

Homophobia is not acceptable

gary wasn't being homophobic, he was joking about james bending over telling leslie to stick his hand in his ass. aka getting butt****ed.

[lostalex]

James is definitely gay and repressing it, and when he comes out we'll all be calling him "brave" for coming out just like for Kellie. *rolls eyes*

[lostalex]

I just think james got cross and offended by being asked if he was gay

he saw being gay as a slight on his manhood

why would he associate being gay as being less than a man unless he thinks gay people are less manly?

[Ammi]

Hi Ammi if so you have to ask whats Alpha about targeting an elderly guy from another country.If they are trying him out for all the wrong reasons and in the wrong way I think they will get the worst of it.

Regardless of the rights or wrongs of the argument I felt James made himself look a total dick and those involved in the bed prank did themselves no favours.

.. didn't see the bed prank, I hope that's shown in tonight's show..I fear though that Gary will be up for eviction quite a bit because it's not only the 'homophobia' controversy but that he's asked for quiet in the bedroom and I think Leslie mentioned he's a bit of a 'noisy sleeper' lol...so I reckon things generally will have him nominated quite a bit...

[Mick]

.. didn't see the bed prank, I hope that's shown in tonight's show..I fear though that Gary will be up for eviction quite a bit because it's not only the 'homophobia' controversy but that he's asked for quiet in the bedroom and I think Leslie mentioned he's a bit of a 'noisy sleeper' lol...so I reckon things generally will have him nominated quite a bit...

Yes I can see that happening but I also think the public will save him.Whats also interesting is that if a divide starts to form in the house will it be a younger/older one or a good mix.

[delta]

If he gets that wound up and threatens to hit a 70 year old simply because he didn't like being jokingly called "gay" then he clearly has problems.

It was James that started that whole nonsense off in the first place.


Exactly Videostar.



Watch it back and you will see that all 3 were making light of homosexuallity, Gary stepped in with his two penneth and POW.


The moment Jordan had been waiting for- he was itching to have a go at Gary and if it hadn't been that incident it would have been something else.


James Jordan threatened to hit a 70 year old man. For that he should have had a warning. He also blew the whole incident out of proportion then went around and told the story and the ensuing confrontation the way he saw it in his mind, which is NOT what was said or how it unfoled.


Gary is a very intelligent man and had Jordan in his back pocket.


As for Jordan he is an extremely odious character, thinks the world revolves around him, another one who thinks he has character where in fact he's as boring and as dull as ditch water.


Just look what Louis Spence said about Jordan last night on BBBOTS.

[delta]

Much was made about alleged bullying in the house by Helen, which didn't take place imho.


But what we saw last night was total out of order where the Geordie Shore lad lost the Rock paper scissors game and then had to pretend that he was inebriated and to get in the wrong bed, the bed of Gary's.

Now if that wasn't bullying and demeaning I am not sure what is and did you notice whose cackle was the loudest- yeah, the ever so nice James Jordan.



Pr!ck of a human being.

[Ammi]

Yes I can see that happening but I also think the public will save him.Whats also interesting is that if a divide starts to form in the house will it be a younger/older one or a good mix.

..well of the older ones, Claire already seems to be forming a bond with James or they seem very friendly so I think she will be 'against' Gary..so I would say a bit of a mix...

[waterhog]

just a great mix and the so different personality's make it a brill mix. 12 hours and its on - can not wait.

[HBB1508]

Oh dear I got the impression that James was poking fun at being stripped searched at an airport and that's why Gary's joke upset him - he was having an innocent gag with Leslie and Gary jumps in and calls him gay - that's why I thought he got upset - maybe I'm just old fashioned.

Neither of them came out of it very well though as I think they are both quite arrogant people.

[Ammi]

Oh dear I got the impression that James was poking fun at being stripped searched at an airport and that's why Gary's joke upset him - he was having an innocent gag with Leslie and Gary jumps in and calls him gay - that's why I thought he got upset - maybe I'm just old fashioned.

Neither of them came out of it very well though as I think they are both quite arrogant people.

...hmmm, but if that upset him though then wouldn't he be the homophobic..?..why be upset at being thought to be gay..?...

[Northern Monkey]

James can't take a joke.Simple.Can't see how he would take offence unless he is not as comfortable with his sexuality as he makes out.....
Edit:Also how James was making out the whole country was stuck up like him and can't take a joke was annoying.

[HBB1508]

...hmmm, but if that upset him though then wouldn't he be the homophobic..?..why be upset at being thought to be gay..?...

I'm not sure that would make him homophobic, being called gay when you're not doesn't necessarily make you intolerant of gay people, maybe as another poster pointed out that in his industry most men are gay and maybe that's what makes him insecure.........

[JoshBB]

...hmmm, but if that upset him though then wouldn't he be the homophobic..?..why be upset at being thought to be gay..?...

It's the equivalent of being called a liar. Apart from that, it's just generally unpleasant to be mislabelled.

[Fendertele]

It's really a generational thing, Gary is 70 years of age, he grew up in a different generation, it's hard when you are brought up with different values....I mean back then the only religion taught in schools were Christian, I remember the school assembly's back in the 60's and early 70's were just Christian, and any-one of a different faith, which were very few back then, just did not come into morning assembly...Until people realise for some-one of Gary's age life was very different, and it's hard to change views when you have lived longer and seen and experienced things so different to this generation.....

[Ammi]

It's the equivalent of being called a liar. Apart from that, it's just generally unpleasant to be mislabelled.

...hmm yeah I see that if it had been said in a certain way and initiated by Gary but it was just following on from his own joke ...I don't think either of them are homophobic though...

[Kizzy]

It was locker room banter, james suggested gary had a problem with homosexuals, said 'we don't do that in this country' and threatened violence..... james out please.

[wormsinfested]

James the worst one in there by far, what a ****head :yuk: Guess he really is a closet homosexual after all:joker:

[Beso]

Agree, james made the homophobic comment in the first place


How many gayers do you see donning a white glove prior to inserting fist/finger or whatever up another mans bum?

The joke was about going to the doctors for a rectal examination.

[Dollface]

James wouldn't stand up because he was afraid Gary was going to hang one on him. I'd have quite enjoyed that.

:joker:

[Dollface]

It was locker room banter, james suggested gary had a problem with homosexuals, said 'we don't do that in this country' and threatened violence..... james out please.

Ikr, who is HE to speak for the whole country? :rant: The way he spoke to Gary was very patronising, and the whole "Look at me when i'm talking to you" whilst clicking his fingers, wtf was with that? People really should respect their elders, i wouldn't dream of talking to a 70 year old like that.

[Marsh.]

It's the equivalent of being called a liar. Apart from that, it's just generally unpleasant to be mislabelled.

He didn't call him gay though.

He asked "Are you gay?"
James denied and jokingly said "I've never hit a 70 year old"
Then Gary understood the jokey nature and came out with something a little too vulgar.

Nothing homophobic about it, nor was he mislabelling him. James took offence over nothing and milked it for attention.

[Robodog]

I never saw any homophobia.

I just saw some jokes about things being inserted into James's anus.

Is that not funny ? I think so !

And anyway - making jokes about gay activity isn't homophobia. Hating gay people is homophobia. There is a huge difference.

I make jokes about my dog who i love. Doesn't mean i'm dogphobic.

People need to get a grip. We are allowed to laugh at each other, you know.

Who wants to live in a world where all controversial and edgy humour is outlawed?

Think how rubbish and boring comedians will be if they are only allowed to do jokes about toasters, cars or other inanimate objects - just in case someone gets offended.