Can we have some concrete examples of Gary's rudeness?

[ThriceShy]

I have watched every highlights show, every live feed and every web clip. I have never seen anything from gary that I would describe as rude.

So let's have the concrete examples of this supposed rudeness.

[Liam-]

Is there any point? no matter how many examples are given, you and many other people on here just won't accept that he's rude :laugh:

[ThriceShy]

Tumble weed city in here already. Quelle Surprise.

[ThriceShy]

Thing is, the only vague examples that i have ever seen posted are all very recent. If they genuinely were rude then they would be justified as Gary retaliating. The bullying of gary started in the first couple of days.

[Ace]

I have watched every highlights show, every live feed and every web clip. I have never seen anything from gary that I would describe as rude.

So let's have the concrete examples of this supposed rudeness.


There are countless examples of the HMs being rude to Gary, but few, if any, of him being genuinely rude to them. The rudeness claim is purely a means of putting him down and singling him out for their mob bullying tactics.

[jaxie]

Why is there no tumbleweed emoticon?

[Kazanne]

I have watched every highlights show, every live feed and every web clip. I have never seen anything from gary that I would describe as rude.

So let's have the concrete examples of this supposed rudeness.

No,ThriceShy,because quite simply there are none.:hehe:

[Kazanne]

Is there any point? no matter how many examples are given, you and many other people on here just won't accept that he's rude :laugh:

Try us

[Kazanne]

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view4/1158287/tumbleweed-o.gif

[ebandit]

whispering about george , barging into housemates ( the time gary apologised for ) spitting stuff back out into hm's cups ( also that gary apologised for ) insulting james in the shower in the early stages ( some homophobic comment )

quickly off the top of my head adding to hm's constant complaints often to gary's face which he never refutes

Mark L

[Tip]

I haven't really accused Gary of being rude - but I have admitted I probably couldn't live with him 24/7.

There was only once I can think of where I did think "hmmm, he actually is a bit rude" and that was in the video where he was giving advice to Frenchy. Don't know what it was called, but he was telling her she needed to "acclimatise" and she was saying that she just wanted to be herself - he ended up calling her stupid because she didn't agree with him. Well that's vaguely how I remember it.

Other people will say he wasn't being rude no doubt but that's fine. We are all entitled to our own opinions and reactions to things. When other people are seeing a font of all wisdom, I am seeing an arrogance and refusal to listen to anyone else which is reminiscent of James in a way.

Over all however, I don't see Gary as rude, but I do see him as lacking somewhat in social skills at times in his interactions. That may be due to selective highlights too so I take it all with a pinch of salt both ways.

[bots]

whispering about george , barging into housemates ( the time gary apologised for ) spitting stuff back out into hm's cups ( also that gary apologised for ) insulting james in the shower in the early stages ( some homophobic comment )

quickly off the top of my head adding to hm's constant complaints often to gary's face which he never refutes

Mark L

This was clarified by Stephanie on BOTS, Gary opened a drawer in the bathroom and it hit Lauren, not the same as is being implied at all

[Kazanne]

whispering about george , barging into housemates ( the time gary apologised for ) spitting stuff back out into hm's cups ( also that gary apologised for ) insulting james in the shower in the early stages ( some homophobic comment )

quickly off the top of my head adding to hm's constant complaints often to gary's face which he never refutes

Mark L

No way,lol,this is pretty weak but at least you tried,Gary does not BARGE into people he would be told by BB if he did and God forbid he bumped into someone by accident AND apologised,lol,not even seen or heard about the cups stuff,probably something Stephanie cooked up,and you cannot even remember the supposed insult in the shower so it cant have been so terrible,as for he never refutes anything ,he probably doesn't hear what's said properly,and they never give him chance to say much anyway,sorry people will have to do better than this :hehe:

[ebandit]

No way,lol,this is pretty weak but at least you tried,Gary does not BARGE into people he would be told by BB if he did and God forbid he bumped into someone by accident AND apologised,lol,not even seen or heard about the cups stuff,probably something Stephanie cooked up,and you cannot even remember the supposed insult in the shower so it cant have been so terrible,as for he never refutes anything ,he probably doesn't hear what's said properly,and they never give him chance to say much anyway,sorry people will have to do better than this :hehe:

in both examples I quoted gary admitted to being in the wrong and that he would try harder in the future.........neither was stephanie

I rememember gary referring to james as butt**cker...not nice!

Mark L

[cfromhx02]

All you need to do is look, it's really obvious.

I've already given 3 clear ones, there are many more.

1. How he sat on the edge of the bed and stared at Stephanie like a stalker when she was having to go to lengths of eben hiding under covers to get away from him

2. How he said bluntly with a hard stare at George " No Way buddie" when showing he would not show tolerance to others human errors

3. How he sneakily threatened Dee with " It's nominations again soon" with a grin on his face rather than just let her walk away.

Case Closed.

[bots]

All you need to do is look, it's really obvious.

I've already given 3 clear ones, there are many more.

1. How he sat on the edge of the bed and stared at Stephanie like a stalker when she was having to go to lengths of eben hiding under covers to get away from him

2. How he said bluntly with a hard stare at George " No Way buddie" when showing he would not show tolerance to others human errors

3. How he sneakily threatened Dee with " It's nominations again soon" with a grin on his face rather than just let her walk away.

Case Closed.

The lengths people will go to try and criticize Gary is hilarious. All weak and flimsy attempts that I've seen so far

[Jules2]

I haven't really accused Gary of being rude - but I have admitted I probably couldn't live with him 24/7.

There was only once I can think of where I did think "hmmm, he actually is a bit rude" and that was in the video where he was giving advice to Frenchy. Don't know what it was called, but he was telling her she needed to "acclimatise" and she was saying that she just wanted to be herself - he ended up calling her stupid because she didn't agree with him. Well that's vaguely how I remember it.

Other people will say he wasn't being rude no doubt but that's fine. We are all entitled to our own opinions and reactions to things. When other people are seeing a font of all wisdom, I am seeing an arrogance and refusal to listen to anyone else which is reminiscent of James in a way.

Over all however, I don't see Gary as rude, but I do see him as lacking somewhat in social skills at times in his interactions. That may be due to selective highlights too so I take it all with a pinch of salt both ways.

:laugh: we could go around in circles, now in what way did he say stupid? It is all so immaterial tbh, he comes across as rude sometimes because of his "what" and his facial expression. It is just him and the different ways it can be perceived.

I think he has plenty of social skills, this is borne out by his vts on his charity work. He speaks and interacts very well but of course he is in his comfort zone. In the house it is entirely different and he knows what the others feel about him.

He possibly reacts in his own way to a situation, as in wearing his pyjama trousers. Had to laugh at that but as Dee isnt his carer she neednt have told him. He may have possibly sorted himself out. As he said it is what is inside which is important, not how one looks and he stood by his guns. He is nobodies sheep. They are all different which is just as well as otherwise the show would have been very boring. I wonder who they would have pulled to pieces had Gary not been there, who would have been their scapegoat?

[Tip]

I'm not trying to persuade anyone of how I judge Gary - so yes it is totally immaterial, and this incident I remembered was nothing to do with his facial expression.

He is great at monologues but I don't think he has such great skills at genuine interaction. He is one of life's "lecturers" which is great if you are a fan and want to be lectured to.

I'm sure Frenchy would have been for it first if Gary wasn't there.

[Jules2]

whispering about george , barging into housemates ( the time gary apologised for ) spitting stuff back out into hm's cups ( also that gary apologised for ) insulting james in the shower in the early stages ( some homophobic comment )

quickly off the top of my head adding to hm's constant complaints often to gary's face which he never refutes

Mark L

Whispering about George, James was egging him on and all he was saying was a truth for some. Nervous people often walk around etc. etc. Gosh I wonder if he heard George say that he didnt go in there to babysit or was it to be a carer or was it something else.

He supposedly doesnt have showers so we have never seen him in the shower room, I cannot even remember seeing James have a shower come to that. Are you talking about the time that James went to put his finger up Leslies posterior when Leslie was bent over? Never refutes, it is easier to agree and to say sorry because half the time he doesnt even know what they are talking about and a number of housemates against one is hardly fair now is it. Havent heard anything about spitting things out into HMs cups, I thought the cups belonged to all of them.

Nah but oh my gosh, Gary are you in there with so many perfect HMs, tut tut now behave yourself. :cheer2: I guess none of us should pick on any of them because in all instances something else can be brought to the attention of all......:sleep::sleep:

[Jules2]

I'm not trying to persuade anyone of how I judge Gary - so yes it is totally immaterial, and this incident I remembered was nothing to do with his facial expression.

He is great at monologues but I don't think he has such great skills at genuine interaction. He is one of life's "lecturers" which is great if you are a fan and want to be lectured to.

I'm sure Frenchy would have been for it first if Gary wasn't there.


I loved them together tbh, are you saying you think Frenchy would have been out, I dont think so if I am honest, she was quite hilarious in her own way. I couldnt understand why she went on that night as according to OC it was between two others but some possibly tried to split the vote and she crept up the scale. I wonder what sort of relationship they had together before they went into the house, how long were they together?

There is a lovely VT of him interacting with a disabled person and other people so whilst I accept that yes he could be a lecturer he also interacts and shows empathy.

Well we are at the end of another series so in their own way they have all entertained us.. :wavey:

[Tip]

No, my comment about Frenchy was in answer to you asking who might have been pulled to pieces if Gary wasn't in there.

I didn't want Frenchy out and I don't want Gary out.

However, I know I probably wouldn't get on with either of them if I were in the house - I just think they have made the program entertaining along with James.

I'm probably not going to go out of my way to watch a load of videos of any of them outside the house - as they don't really interest me that much tbh. So I am just responding to how it comes across in there to me - and I don't take any of it too seriously. His empathy in the house tends to merge into yet more monologues - and I'm not a great fan of those in anyone.

[gibsonsg]

I have watched every highlights show, every live feed and every web clip. I have never seen anything from gary that I would describe as rude.

So let's have the concrete examples of this supposed rudeness.

He's a bit blunt sometimes but I wouldn't say he was rude. Sadly there are some sensitive souls who don't see it that way.

[ThriceShy]

Why is there no tumbleweed emoticon?

They probably all got used up in the Stephanie appreciation thread.:laugh:

[ThriceShy]

whispering about george , barging into housemates ( the time gary apologised for ) spitting stuff back out into hm's cups ( also that gary apologised for ) insulting james in the shower in the early stages ( some homophobic comment )

quickly off the top of my head adding to hm's constant complaints often to gary's face which he never refutes

Mark L

How was gary's comment homophobic? If you think asking if someone is gay is homophobic then I don't think gary is the one with the problem.

When did he spit in cups? Was this shown?

[ThriceShy]

http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showthread.php?t=264281

Mark L

Why have you posted a link to a lie thread?

Gary never said what is alleged.

No deal, buddy.

[ThriceShy]

All you need to do is look, it's really obvious.

I've already given 3 clear ones, there are many more.

1. How he sat on the edge of the bed and stared at Stephanie like a stalker when she was having to go to lengths of eben hiding under covers to get away from him

2. How he said bluntly with a hard stare at George " No Way buddie" when showing he would not show tolerance to others human errors

3. How he sneakily threatened Dee with " It's nominations again soon" with a grin on his face rather than just let her walk away.

Case Closed.

I don't see those as rude. But even if they were then they are all recent. What did he do to make the housemates initially bully him?

[ThriceShy]

One of the most bizarre incidents was when Edele starting going off at Gary just because he had said "You aren't making sense."

How on earth is that rude? People say it all the time and if someone like Dee had said it then Edele wouldn't have said a word.

[puzzled]

How can Gary tell when the HMs are slagging him off?
When he sees their lips are mov8ing.

How can HMs tell when Gary's being rude to them?
When they hear voices in their heads.

[Tip]

One of the most bizarre incidents was when Edele starting going off at Gary just because he had said "You aren't making sense."

How on earth is that rude? People say it all the time and if someone like Dee had said it then Edele wouldn't have said a word.


It's definitely more diplomatic to say "I don't follow what you're saying, or I don't understand" rather than accuse someone of not making sense.

So yeah, you either get that some people might take offense even if you don't mean to cause offense - or you don't.

Social interactions can sometimes require a bit of finesse and most people can do with a bit of refining in certain situations. If you aren't capable of coping diplomatically with people who may be sensitive to certain things, then so be it.

[joeysteele]

Whether some things he has done are what may be termed as 'rude' although I cannot say I have come across anything myself.

He is at a disadvantage in there with his disabilities,people with hearing problems often also have balance problems so I would be allowing for him bumping into people or even swaying towards them at times.
One of my Aunts has hearing problems and is often not only running into people but into things as well.

However,whether rude or not, one thing a really rude person doesn't do is apologise, so even from the examples of some maybe at best borderline things on here, that is something Gary seems to do quickly and without any coaxing to do either,hardly the actions of a rude person at all.

[Vanessa]

Whether some things he has done are what may be termed as 'rude' although I cannot say I have come across anything myself.

He is at a disadvantage in there with his disabilities,people with hearing problems often also have balance problems so I would be allowing for him bumping into people or even swaying towards them at times.
One of my Aunts has hearing problems and is often not only running into people bit into things as well.

However,whether rude or not, one thing a really rude person doesn't do is apologise, so even from the examples of some maybe at best borderline things on here, that is something Gary seems to do quickly and without any coaxing to do either,hardly the actions of a rude person at all.

:clap1: That lot i always rude to him and they NEVER say sorry.

[Jules2]

It's definitely more diplomatic to say "I don't follow what you're saying, or I don't understand" rather than accuse someone of not making sense.

So yeah, you either get that some people might take offense even if you don't mean to cause offense - or you don't.

Social interactions can sometimes require a bit of finesse and most people can do with a bit of refining in certain situations. If you aren't capable of coping diplomatically with people who may be sensitive to certain things, then so be it.

We have to take into account the different ways of saying things from a cultural point of view. We also have to remember that maybe Gary has been just a little bit of a recluse, I do not know what sort of home he has but he loves horses, this gives me the impression of freedom. As he said he has been trying to understand things, he puts it into his mind and sort of chews it over. At the end of the day, he is of the age whereby he doesnt have to change for anyone and I do not think he will for anyone of them in there, they have to earn his respect and they havent done that.

Hopefully he will realise that a vast amount of the public love him and admire his way of coping with things, it certainly hasnt been easy for him.

[joeysteele]

:clap1: That lot i always rude to him and they NEVER say sorry.

Exactly Vanessa, and for instance Dee is becoming the worst of the lot of them at present too as to that.

[Tip]

We have to take into account the different ways of saying things from a cultural point of view. We also have to remember that maybe Gary has been just a little bit of a recluse, I do not know what sort of home he has but he loves horses, this gives me the impression of freedom. As he said he has been trying to understand things, he puts it into his mind and sort of chews it over. At the end of the day, he is of the age whereby he doesnt have to change for anyone and I do not think he will for anyone of them in there, they have to earn his respect and they havent done that.

Hopefully he will realise that a vast amount of the public love him and admire his way of coping with things, it certainly hasnt been easy for him.



Exactly, when you're dealing with people from different cultures, social finesse can be even more significant.

I'll never love Gary or any of the others in there - but I'll appreciate those that entertained me.

I don't think he'll change, not sure if he's capable at his age and with whatever limitations he may have. I'll not be surprised if at the end he claims all sorts in there for making him a better person however.

I don't think any of the others will change due to coming into contact with him or each other either - due to their limitations or whatever.

If some people find him inspirational, then that's very nice for them.

[Vanessa]

Exactly Vanessa, and for instance Dee is becoming the worst of the lot of them at present too as to that.

They don't even realise how bad they look. :joker:

[kirklancaster]

Is there any point? no matter how many examples are given, you and many other people on here just won't accept that he's rude :laugh:

Tut Tut Liam, this can't be you copping out? :nono:

[ebandit]

Why have you posted a link to a lie thread?

Gary never said what is alleged.

No deal, buddy.

sorry! I never verified I humbly ask for forgiveness...........I will accept fair punishment I suggest being hung drawn and quartered and my piggy bank contents + bank balance of 54p be forfeit

Mark L

[ThriceShy]

It's definitely more diplomatic to say "I don't follow what you're saying, or I don't understand" rather than accuse someone of not making sense.

So yeah, you either get that some people might take offense even if you don't mean to cause offense - or you don't.

Social interactions can sometimes require a bit of finesse and most people can do with a bit of refining in certain situations. If you aren't capable of coping diplomatically with people who may be sensitive to certain things, then so be it.

So let's compare the finesse of gary with the finesse of other housemates.

Gary says "what" and "shush" and "you aren't making sense".

The other housemates say to, or about, gary "I'm not here to babysit", "that's what you get for being an arsehole", "if only we had learned sign language", "Im glad the 2 freakos are outside" etc etc.

Do you see the huge gulf between them?

[Vanessa]

So let's compare the finesse of gary with the finesse of other housemates.

Gary says "what" and "shush" and "you aren't making sense".

The other housemates say to, or about, gary "I'm not here to babysit", "that's what you get for being an arsehole", "if only we had learned sign language", "Im glad the 2 freakos are outside" etc etc.

Do you see the huge gulf between them?

That lot just pisses me off. Bunch of bullies. :mad:

[kirklancaster]

whispering about george , barging into housemates ( the time gary apologised for ) spitting stuff back out into hm's cups ( also that gary apologised for ) insulting james in the shower in the early stages ( some homophobic comment )

quickly off the top of my head adding to hm's constant complaints often to gary's face which he never refutes

Mark L

Alone in a sea of hostility from a clique of bullying arse'oles the guy would apologize for the kidnapping of Shergar if one of them insisted that he was guilty of abducting the horse - it's a form of Passive Resistance. There are no real examples of Gary being rude, just examples of bullying pricks saying he's rude and a great gullibility - or willing prejudice - in those willing to accept the lies. The most blatant example is your last example; that Gary insulted James in the shower with some homophobic comment. Anyone concluding that, who actually observed what really occurred, would have scored the Battle of The Little Big Horn a victory for Custer. What really transpired is that Leslie had donned rubber gloves and was about to 'nosey' through the packing case used in the fake 'Duchess of Solihull' prank involving Dee. James saw Leslie don the gloves then bent over, thrust his arse towards Leslie, then pretended to part his own butt cheeks in mock readiness for some homosexual foreplay. Gary just happened to walk past, saw the scenario before him, recognised it was humorous and - probably trying to fit in and be accepted after all the vitriolic rejection and bullying he had thus far encountered - made a jocular, light-hearted comment; "aah... Getting ready for a butt****?!" - which was exactly what (closeted) James was pretending to do. There was no insult. There was no homophobic intent on Gary's part, and no sane, rational, fair-minded person could construe as much from the facts. If there was any homophobia in this incident , it was from James, given what he did, and given the fact that Leslie is a self confessed Gay. The only reason there is notoriety attached to what should have been no more than horse-play is that the game-playing bullying **** which is James, seized on Gary's perfectly innocuous contribution, to make capital out of it and try to bend the facts to justify further bullying of him.

All opinions on what we actually see and hear will always vary to a degree but there is a huge gulf between the facts here and what is claimed. If someone walked into a very dimly lit garage and they see a piece of coiled rope on the floor ahead of them, then they run out screaming "snake" - this is a misunderstanding. If that person walked into a very brightly lit garage, saw the coil of rope, recognised it as such, then they still run out screaming "snake", then they are lying attention seekers. Yet, worse than that person are those who witness the incident, also recognise the coil of rope, but then not only readily go along with the lying attention seeker's version of events, but actually perversely delight in propagating the lies.:nono::nono::nono:

[kirklancaster]

That lot just pisses me off. Bunch of bullies. :mad:

True.True.True. :cheer2::cheer2::cheer2:

[Chuckyegg]

He just appears to be like a typical American to me. The kind I see in hotels when I travel. Shouty, demanding, yacking on and on, particularly about what it is like to be American. It appears to be rude but it's not really. Just very annoying,

[jaxie]

Alone in a sea of hostility from a clique of bullying arse'oles the guy would apologize for the kidnapping of Shergar if one of them insisted that he was guilty of abducting the horse - it's a form of Passive Resistance. There are no real examples of Gary being rude, just examples of bullying pricks saying he's rude and a great gullibility - or willing prejudice - in those willing to accept the lies. The most blatant example is your last example; that Gary insulted James in the shower with some homophobic comment. Anyone concluding that, who actually observed what really occurred, would have scored the Battle of The Little Big Horn a victory for Custer. What really transpired is that Leslie had donned rubber gloves and was about to 'nosey' through the packing case used in the fake 'Duchess of Solihull' prank involving Dee. James saw Leslie don the gloves then bent over, thrust his arse towards Leslie, then pretended to part his own butt cheeks in mock readiness for some homosexual foreplay. Gary just happened to walk past, saw the scenario before him, recognised it was humorous and - probably trying to fit in and be accepted after all the vitriolic rejection and bullying he had thus far encountered - made a jocular, light-hearted comment; "aah... Getting ready for a butt****?!" - which was exactly what (closeted) James was pretending to do. There was no insult. There was no homophobic intent on Gary's part, and no sane, rational, fair-minded person could construe as much from the facts. If there was any homophobia in this incident , it was from James, given what he did, and given the fact that Leslie is a self confessed Gay. The only reason there is notoriety attached to what should have been no more than horse-play is that the game-playing bullying **** which is James, seized on Gary's perfectly innocuous contribution, to make capital out of it and try to bend the facts to justify further bullying of him.

All opinions on what we actually see and hear will always vary to a degree but there is a huge gulf between the facts here and what is claimed. If someone walked into a very dimly lit garage and they see a piece of coiled rope on the floor ahead of them, then they run out screaming "snake" - this is a misunderstanding. If that person walked into a very brightly lit garage, saw the coil of rope, recognised it as such, then they still run out screaming "snake", then they are lying attention seekers. Yet, worse than that person are those who witness the incident, also recognise the coil of rope, but then not only readily go along with the lying attention seeker's version of events, but actually perversely delight in propagating the lies.:nono::nono::nono:

Very well said. :clap1:

[Johnnyuk123]

Gary is not rude at all. But now I actually want him to be very rude to that bullying obnoxious lot in there cos they deserve it!

[CaudleHalbard]

You can't have concrete examples because the producers, for whatever reason, never show them.

However, the evidence from evictees seems pretty consistent.

The man is awful to live with.

[bots]

.

The man is awful to live with.

Stated as fact, where in reality we have only the word of a bunch of evicted housemates how say it, and these are the same ones that thought it fine to gang up on an individual, and try and brow beat him and bully him. Hardly a respectable source

[kirklancaster]

Stated as fact, where in reality we have only the word of a bunch of evicted housemates how say it, and these are the same ones that thought it fine to gang up on an individual, and try and brow beat him and bully him. Hardly a respectable source

I agree:cheer2::cheer2::cheer2: GARY TO WIN, JAMES IN THE BIN

[ThriceShy]

You can't have concrete examples because the producers, for whatever reason, never show them.

However, the evidence from evictees seems pretty consistent.

The man is awful to live with.

The evidence from the evictees is anything but consistent. Frenchy didn't say anything like that.

Audley and Frenchy managed to live with him fine.

[sungrass]

All you need to do is look, it's really obvious.

I've already given 3 clear ones, there are many more.

1. How he sat on the edge of the bed and stared at Stephanie like a stalker when she was having to go to lengths of eben hiding under covers to get away from him

2. How he said bluntly with a hard stare at George " No Way buddie" when showing he would not show tolerance to others human errors

3. How he sneakily threatened Dee with " It's nominations again soon" with a grin on his face rather than just let her walk away.

Case Closed.

1. He was looking at Steph, with a glass eye thinking whats wrong how can I help?

2. I can't refute but its much less than what others have done

3. He meant Dee could nominate him soon!! thats all - and guess what she did, and also that conversation and several others between Dee and Gary have shown Dee to be ruder of the two.

Of all the abuse received in the house Kellie, Audley and Gary have received the most, from the likes of James.

[Jules2]

Alone in a sea of hostility from a clique of bullying arse'oles the guy would apologize for the kidnapping of Shergar if one of them insisted that he was guilty of abducting the horse - it's a form of Passive Resistance. There are no real examples of Gary being rude, just examples of bullying pricks saying he's rude and a great gullibility - or willing prejudice - in those willing to accept the lies. The most blatant example is your last example; that Gary insulted James in the shower with some homophobic comment. Anyone concluding that, who actually observed what really occurred, would have scored the Battle of The Little Big Horn a victory for Custer. What really transpired is that Leslie had donned rubber gloves and was about to 'nosey' through the packing case used in the fake 'Duchess of Solihull' prank involving Dee. James saw Leslie don the gloves then bent over, thrust his arse towards Leslie, then pretended to part his own butt cheeks in mock readiness for some homosexual foreplay. Gary just happened to walk past, saw the scenario before him, recognised it was humorous and - probably trying to fit in and be accepted after all the vitriolic rejection and bullying he had thus far encountered - made a jocular, light-hearted comment; "aah... Getting ready for a butt****?!" - which was exactly what (closeted) James was pretending to do. There was no insult. There was no homophobic intent on Gary's part, and no sane, rational, fair-minded person could construe as much from the facts. If there was any homophobia in this incident , it was from James, given what he did, and given the fact that Leslie is a self confessed Gay. The only reason there is notoriety attached to what should have been no more than horse-play is that the game-playing bullying **** which is James, seized on Gary's perfectly innocuous contribution, to make capital out of it and try to bend the facts to justify further bullying of him.

All opinions on what we actually see and hear will always vary to a degree but there is a huge gulf between the facts here and what is claimed. If someone walked into a very dimly lit garage and they see a piece of coiled rope on the floor ahead of them, then they run out screaming "snake" - this is a misunderstanding. If that person walked into a very brightly lit garage, saw the coil of rope, recognised it as such, then they still run out screaming "snake", then they are lying attention seekers. Yet, worse than that person are those who witness the incident, also recognise the coil of rope, but then not only readily go along with the lying attention seeker's version of events, but actually perversely delight in propagating the lies.:nono::nono::nono:

Well said......it is like chinese whispers, James told one who didnt see what was going, then it goes to another and then another etc. etc. each time it can be built up upon. They all listened to James and Leslie to begin with......Leslie admitted that he had treated Gary wrongly and he wanted to apologise to his family. Oh no, no no I can still see Leslie in the middle of that pool with his fans around him......it will stay with me for the rest of my days. :joker: :laugh: Is there a plonker smilie here?

[Jules2]

He just appears to be like a typical American to me. The kind I see in hotels when I travel. Shouty, demanding, yacking on and on, particularly about what it is like to be American. It appears to be rude but it's not really. Just very annoying,

Only ever been to America once, two Americans were really kind to me as I was struggling with my case, my husband had hurt his leg. They didnt think much of him but tbh he couldnt help it....

[Kazanne]

Blimey the man even said excuse me when he coughed in the DR,he seems very well mannered to me,unless of course you class Dee sitting with her legs open with a fag hanging from her gob the height of good manners.

[Tip]

Blimey the man even said excuse me when he coughed in the DR,he seems very well mannered to me,unless of course you class Dee sitting with her legs open with a fag hanging from her gob the height of good manners.

Yes, he does seem on his best behaviour in the diary room and he seems to love Big Brother and the Brits!