Scottish Referendum

[Lee.]

Do you think Scotland will vote YES or NO?

Not do you WANT Scotland to be independent, but what do you think they'll vote!

Poll coming.

[Shaun]

think it'll be 51% no

[Jake.]

I think no but it's going to be bloody close

[Samm]

Yes plz they will probs give us points in Eurovision

[Firewire]

I think it'll be a no

[Black Dagger]

I am expecting a close vote but no to edge it.

[LukeB]

i think it be a no

[AnnieK]

I think it will be close but the Yes vote are jus going to swing it.....

[LukeB]

why would they want to say yes, they have to get their own hospital nhs service it will cost to much money

[Lee.]

why would they want to say yes, they have to get their own hospital nhs service it will cost to much money

:conf: we already have an NHS and hospitals.

[LukeB]

:conf: we already have an NHS and hospitals.

i was told something that is why i'm saying this.

but they only have nhs because they part of the UK

that is why someone told me

[arista]

Of course Scotland needs to be free from Westminster
I noticed the PM was up there hidden away
again
not talking to locals yet again. (Ref : Ch4HD News)


Vote Yes is Sensible

[Amy Jade]

It honestly wouldn't make a difference to me so I don't mind but why change what has worked for years?

[LukeB]

just hope scotland has enough money to fund things

[andybigbro]

SADLY I think it will be a yes!

But I pray to god it will be a no. #bettertogether

[LukeB]

SADLY I think it will be a yes!

But I pray to god it will be a no. #bettertogether

if it's a yes, then i hope they can afford fund and that :laugh:

[arista]

SADLY I think it will be a yes!

But I pray to god it will be a no. #bettertogether



You Are Most Wise

[joeysteele]

I think certainly the momentum is now with the 'yes' camp but I somehow still think once in the polling booth the result will be 'no'.

Alex Salmond however, no matter the result has been brilliant all through and really looks the experienced Statesman too.

[user104658]

I'm very much a Yes voter, however, I am also a realist (and a bookie :joker: ) and odds like 3/1 vs 2/9 rarely lie, sadly :(.

THAT SAID, BB15 closed at Ashleigh 4/11 vs Helen 6/1 sooo... hope yet lives?

[user104658]

I think certainly the momentum is now with the 'yes' camp but I somehow still think once in the polling booth the result will be 'no'.

I agree Joey and, ironically, I agree because Scotland has for so long been British. And Britain for over half a century has been ruled with fear and pessimism. On the whole, as a population, we are sadly fearful and pessimistic people. That's what will win the day in that booth - when it comes down to a vote fuelled by hope Vs a vote fuelled by fear... fear will win every time. "Better Together" knows this, and it's why they've based almost their entire campaign on scare tactics. There's been a very vocal criticism of that tactic and a rejection of it has been reflected in the polls BUT, when it comes down to it, the silent majority will be influenced by it when it's just them, alone, with a pen and a voting slip.

[Marsh.]

Hopefully no.

If a yes, they can go to hell. The Scottish Tibbers with them. :hmph:

[Kyle]

I agree Joey and, ironically, I agree because Scotland has for so long been British. And Britain for over half a century has been ruled with fear and pessimism. On the whole, as a population, we are sadly fearful and pessimistic people. That's what will win the day in that booth - when it comes down to a vote fuelled by hope Vs a vote fuelled by fear... fear will win every time. "Better Together" knows this, and it's why they've based almost their entire campaign on scare tactics. There's been a very vocal criticism of that tactic and a rejection of it has been reflected in the polls BUT, when it comes down to it, the silent majority will be influenced by it when it's just them, alone, with a pen and a voting slip.

Can't say I buy that we as a nation are a bunch of scared pessimists. Down to earth and modest yes, but that's what I've always liked about being British.

[lostalex]

I truly believe that Scotland will remain a part of the UK. People don't like change.

I wish this referendum was held at the same time as an actual general election though. It would make more sense to have this referendum on the same ballot as a national election.

[andybigbro]

Hopefully no.

If a yes, they can go to hell. The Scottish Tibbers with them. :hmph:

:sad:

But I want to stay :sad:

[Marsh.]

:sad:

But I want to stay :sad:

Vote No and you can keep your membership! :fist:

[GypsyGoth]

I think it will be a yes, but I think it was Josy that mentioned in another thread that even if it's a no, Scotland will change massively anyway. And it makes sense to have people in Scotland making policy and spending the money raised in taxes on Scotland.

I feel that the no campaign has been very confused and contradictory, and I guess their main goal is to make people petrified that if they vote yes, it will be the end of Scotland, like it will go bankrupt or something and have loads of unemployment, and that's just nonsense.

[andybigbro]

Vote No and you can keep your membership! :fist:

I am voting no :)

[Marsh.]

:flutter:

[andybigbro]

I think it will be a yes, but I think it was Josy that mentioned in another thread that even if it's a no, Scotland will change massively anyway. And it makes sense to have people in Scotland making policy and spending the money raised in taxes on Scotland.

I feel that the no campaign has been very confused and contradictory, and I guess their main goal is to make people petrified that if they vote yes, it will be the end of Scotland, like it will go bankrupt or something and have loads of unemployment, and that's just nonsense.

It's not nonsense, there are countries that their economies have failed such as Greece.

Alex salmond is making promises with no substance and telling lies to people to make them think that Scotland is better off without being part of the United Kingdom.

Salmond also said that the yes campaign was team Scotland which is very insulting and very unfair to say. I am a proud scot but I don't need scotland to be independent to validate myself as Scottish. As well as being a proud scot i am also a proud Brit. I can see sense and see that being part of a strog United Kingdom that my future kids and family will have better opportunities better security.

How can people vote yes based on uncertainty? I'm not willing to take a risk that could ruin the country.

breaking a union that has been together since 1707 is ridiculous in my view, why it's even come to This point is shocking.

#bettertogether

[Mystic Mock]

I want Scotland to stay, but I can easily understand that they would want to be on their own and elect their own parties instead of having the Tories forced on them when they're not voting that particular Government in.

Also the way this campaign has been handled in the most ridiculous ways ever, instead of focusing on the positives of how Scotland and the rest of the UK benefit by being together, we instead get these idiots insulting Scotland by making out that they can't survive by themselves when I actually think that they would cope okay as long as they can accept that stuff like Uni fees, and perscriptions will have to be paid for because there's no UK budget to help finance them anymore.

But I would be insulted if I was told that my country could not survive by itself.

[lostalex]

you know what would really piss off england, is if Scotland decided to make a union with ireland, Ireland and Scotland could gang up and become just as powerful as england and wales.

[joeysteele]

I agree Joey and, ironically, I agree because Scotland has for so long been British. And Britain for over half a century has been ruled with fear and pessimism. On the whole, as a population, we are sadly fearful and pessimistic people. That's what will win the day in that booth - when it comes down to a vote fuelled by hope Vs a vote fuelled by fear... fear will win every time. "Better Together" knows this, and it's why they've based almost their entire campaign on scare tactics. There's been a very vocal criticism of that tactic and a rejection of it has been reflected in the polls BUT, when it comes down to it, the silent majority will be influenced by it when it's just them, alone, with a pen and a voting slip.

Yes, I agree with all that Toy Soldier,especially as you say when right at the crunch time of casting the votes.

[Shaun]

you know what would really piss off england, is if Scotland decided to make a union with ireland, Ireland and Scotland could gang up and become just as powerful as england and wales.

oh yeah, ireland's really powerful right now :laugh:

[the truth]

you know what would really piss off england, is if Scotland decided to make a union with ireland, Ireland and Scotland could gang up and become just as powerful as england and wales.

If that did happen and culturally I agree its likely as the scots irish are pretty much the same blood and very close cousins, trade would no doubt masisvely increase between the 2 and billions would be spent on transport between the 2.... then the welsh would eventually jump ship to their fellow celts too. the irish always pass through anglesey and west wales.....again a bridge could be built between wales and ireland... ultimately it may work out better for us english as wed then refind our identity. patriotism is fine, though for me its the hard working people and english achievements that engender patriotism not the waste of space anti democratic monarchy, though I suspect a hardcore nationalism may rear its ugly head again. hopefully not.

[Mystic Mock]

you know what would really piss off england, is if Scotland decided to make a union with ireland, Ireland and Scotland could gang up and become just as powerful as england and wales.

Well I'm hoping for England and Scotland will still be friends whatever the result, I quite like Scotland so I wouldn't want to be scared to ever visit their country whenever I do get a job and be able to pay for the trip there.

Btw I was going by if we antagonize them enough to hate us or vice versa.

[MTVN]

I'm about 90% confident it will be a No vote and think everyone has been getting a bit unduly panicked, though it's true that whatever the result the Scots' relationship with the rest of the UK won't ever be the same again

[Novo]

Think and hope it will be No

[Jords]

I hope they vote to stay but Im not too sure y'know

[Lee.]

I'm 99.9% sure of a yes vote now.. This time last year, I would have said it'd almost certainly be a big no.

I actually can't contain my excitement any more and am desperate to get out if hospital on Thursday!!

However, I do also believe that whatever the result on Friday, us stoic scots will eventually pull together and make the most of the situation.

[Natalie.]

Think it'll be a no but so close

[GypsyGoth]

It's not nonsense, there are countries that their economies have failed such as Greece.

Alex salmond is making promises with no substance and telling lies to people to make them think that Scotland is better off without being part of the United Kingdom.

Salmond also said that the yes campaign was team Scotland which is very insulting and very unfair to say. I am a proud scot but I don't need scotland to be independent to validate myself as Scottish. As well as being a proud scot i am also a proud Brit. I can see sense and see that being part of a strog United Kingdom that my future kids and family will have better opportunities better security.

How can people vote yes based on uncertainty? I'm not willing to take a risk that could ruin the country.

breaking a union that has been together since 1707 is ridiculous in my view, why it's even come to This point is shocking.

#bettertogether

If you think that the Scottish economy will fail then you are wrong. There are over 100 countries with smaller populations than Scotland and all of them have functioning economies. And I'm sure the majority of the people running them didn't receive as good an education as the ones who would be running the Scottish economy. So I accept you're a proud Scot, but I think maybe you could trust in other Scottish people to do a good competent job if independence is achieved.

And you're still going to be together, it's not like Scotland is gonna move. A new union would be formed straight away if it's a yes vote. The main difference is that Scotland would be run from Scotland and not London.

[Livia]

Think and hope it will be No

The pic in your sig... So proud to be British, the union flag on the right is upside down. Well done lads.

I think if Scotland votes yes it will be a disaster for them. If they do, let's all meet here in five years to discuss how it's going.

[user104658]

I think if Scotland votes yes it will be a disaster for them.

Why do you think that, though?

[Livia]

Why do you think that, though?

Because I don't think they've done the maths.

[Brother Leon]

I think it will be no, but I'm not fussed if it's yes really.

[user104658]

Because I don't think they've done the maths.

Because you've actually looked at the figures... or because London says so?

I only ask because I find that most people who worry about the numbers immediately start talking about oil: when IMO, the figures and resources add up to a perfectly functional economy even with oil taken out of the equation completely. And all that's required is a functioning economy in order to start BUILDING a better economy.

The overall UK economy, on the other hand, is completely broken and still spiraling whilst we're all conveniently distracted by talk of war and independence campaigns. It can't be fixed, it's completely balanced on London economics (overinflated land value and the financial sector), and that's a timebomb.

Indy Scotland in 5 years time may well be in a worse financial position than where it currently stands but, for the life of me, I have absolutely no idea why anyone thinks that the rUK won't be floundering too, or that the combined UK in the event of a "No" vote won't still be circling the drain.

[Livia]

Because you've actually looked at the figures... or because London says so?

I only ask because I find that most people who worry about the numbers immediately start talking about oil: when IMO, the figures and resources add up to a perfectly functional economy even with oil taken out of the equation completely. And all that's required is a functioning economy in order to start BUILDING a better economy.

The overall UK economy, on the other hand, is completely broken and still spiraling whilst we're all conveniently distracted by talk of war and independence campaigns. It can't be fixed, it's completely balanced on London economics (overinflated land value and the financial sector), and that's a timebomb.

Indy Scotland in 5 years time may well be in a worse financial position than where it currently stands but, for the life of me, I have absolutely no idea why anyone thinks that the rUK won't be floundering too, or that the combined UK in the event of a "No" vote won't still be circling the drain.

Slightly disappointed that you'd think I made up my mind because London told me. But what they hey...

I never mentioned oil. I never mentioned it because in a few years time it'll be finished anyway. So if there's a yes vote, for your sake, I hope you're right.

To me, it feels like Scotland wants a divorce, but they want all the perks of being married, including a joint bank account. And has anyone wondered what's going to happen to all the Scots living and working in England? Scotland won't be a member of the EU, so are those Scots going to need a visa now? Likewise the English living and working in Scotland? And what about defence? Do you think that Scotland won't be a target for terrorists, ever? The tiny army proposed by Mr Salmand is worthless, so what about your national security? Unless you think Scotland is suddenly going to be everyone's friend.

Ideally I'd like to see all four countries come together like grown ups, Ireland included. I'd like to see each one take care of our own business in our own country but also act jointly for the good of all. Sadly, history shows us we can't be grown up about this because the bitterness and the finger-pointing continues from all sides.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I want a yes and then declare war on England and take it over using out nuclear weapons as a big stick

then we can enslave them and bleed the country dry

we could also sell their children to France as slaves and shut all the cinemas and bingo halls so they would have to stay in and listen to radio 4 as tv would also be shut down


that will learn them

[bots]

the figures and resources add up to a perfectly functional economy even with oil taken out of the equation completely.

Is this backed up by fact, because I'm not aware of it, and would be much relieved if it were true.

From what I can see, those in favour of independence are not concentrating on the economy at all, they seem to be more attracted to a vision that may or may not be a wonderful Scotland in a few generations time.

[reece(:]

If they go independent does this mean we need a passport to go to Scotland now;o

[MTVN]

The Yes campaign haven't helped themselves by harassing any business which expresses worries about independence. Security, certainty, confidence etc. are everything to companies and a lot of them have legit concerns over the uncertainty of an independent Scotland especially when Salmond hasn't really given them much cause to be confident, instead they've been condemned as panicking, scaremongering etc. and some of the attacks from the Yes campaign have been pretty unpleasant.

[Crimson Dynamo]

The Yes campaign haven't helped themselves by harassing any business which expresses worries about independence. Security, certainty, confidence etc. are everything to companies and a lot of them have legit concerns over the uncertainty of an independent Scotland especially when Salmond hasn't really given them much cause to be confident, instead they've been condemned as panicking, scaremongering etc. and some of the attacks from the Yes campaign have been pretty unpleasant.

what does not help is the UK Treasury sending out covert emails to Scottish journalists telling them about RBS etc

fact

[Crimson Dynamo]

I stole this from another forum


Scotland has only 8.3% of the UK’s population.
Remember this important figure... 8.3%.

But we DO have...

32% of the land area.
61% of the sea area.
90% of the fresh water.
65% of the natural gas production.
96.5% of the crude oil production.
47% of the open cast coal production.
81% of the untapped coal reserves.
62% of the timber production.
46% of the total forest area.
92% of the hydro electric production.
40% of the wind wave and solar energy production.
60% of the fish landings.
30% of the beef herd.
20% of the sheep herd.
9% of the dairy herd.
10% of the pig herd.
15% if the cereal holdings.
20% of the potato holdings.
...obviously 100% of the Scotch Whisky industry.

We have a...
17 billion pound construction industry.
13 billion pound food and drink industry.
10 billion pound business services industry.
9.3 billion pound chemical services industry.
A 9.3 billion pound tourism industry.
7 billion pound financial services industry.
5 billion pound aeroservice industry.
4.5 billion pound whisky exports industry.
3.1 billion pound life sciences industry.
Scotland still has 350 million pounds worth of textile exports.

We have 25% of Europe’s wave and wind energy potential.

And finally we are blessed to have 1.5 Trillion pounds worth of oil and gas reserves.

All of this, yet only 8.3% of The UK’s population... Wow, Scotland should be rich!

IGNORANCE...
If you hear anyone saying “I DON'T LIKE ALEX SALMOND” or “I DON'T LIKE SNP”...
THIS VOTE IS ABOUT SCOTLAND'S RIGHT TO ELECT ITS OWN GOVERNMENT... IT HAS NOTHING WHATSOEVER TO DO WITH ALEX SALMOND OR THE SNP.
DON'T LET POLITICAL IGNORANCE RUIN THIS OPPORTUNITY.

Do you know... This is the UK’s legacy of success in our history of being “better-together”...

The UK has the 3rd lowest pensions in the 34 OECD countries of the world.

The UK has the single most expensive childcare in the European Union.

The UK has the second lowest-paid economy in the entire developed world.

The UK has the 3rd longest working hours in the EU.

The UK has the lowest number of holidays in the EU.

The UK has the 8th highest gender inequality pay gap out of the EU’s 28 countries.

The UK has the highest likelihood of poverty in disablement in the EU.

The UK has the highest rail prices in Europe.

The UK has the second highest housing cost in Europe.

The UK has the highest fuel poverty rates in Europe.

The UK is the 4th highest country of wealth inequality in the entire planet!

Now, finally, did you also know that in ALL of the UK’s elections for Westminster that there has ever been, not one vote cast in SCOTLAND has ever mattered! Because of the Westminster numbers, whatever government England votes for, the UK gets. So we have NO DEMOCRACY here!!! 4 decades of Tory rule that we voted against is proof enough, and our defiance was punished by the closure of all the mines; closure of all the steelworks; closure of all the shipyards losing hundreds of thousands of jobs. The term used by Westminster’s Thatcher when these industries needed some assistance was “let the markets decide”. Funny how when the greedy bankers collapsed everywhere they were bailed out to the tune of over a Trillion pounds of our money... Not a mention of “let the markets decide”.

FACTS:
Fact: Scotland has an oil boom waiting to happen on the West Coast, but Michael Hesaltine signed a cessation of any form of oil exploration in the entire area in the 80's to make way for nuclear submarines which Scotland doesn’t need or want!

Fact: Scotland has shown its revulsion time and time again to nuclear weapons but they place them here against Scotland’s wishes. A recent contingency report was carried out about the feasibility of relocating them in Portsmouth. The report stated that it was unfeasible because the detrimental risk to the area of an incident was too high. (But its ok for the Clyde though).

Fact: Scotland, with only 1 Tory MP, was forced to take the shocking attack on the poor & disabled called The Bedroom Tax, even though as our nation’s government, Holyrood voted to utterly reject this awful tax on the poor. Westminster gave us it anyway!

Fact: We are led to believe that the oil in our waters is finished and its a dying industry. Yet 13.5 billion has been invested by oil companies in the last 2 years alone!

Fact: The Clair Oil Field is about to open, and on its own has over 650 million barrels which will be extracted over 20+ years with production reaching a hundred thousand barrels a day!

Fact: Scotland gives more to Westminster than it gets back. Do you really think they’d be so keen to keep us if we were being subsidised like they’d have us believe?

Fact: Westminster has amassed over £1.3 Trillion debt and still growing at nearly £6000 a second. That’s another £516 million today alone which YOU will have to pay for.

Fact: Of the 178 countries that have gained their own independence across this planet, not one single one of them has ever asked to reverse this independence, and very few of them have the assets we have.

SCOTLAND, WHAT ARE WE SCARED OF? WE HAVE A CHANCE... WITHOUT A SINGLE BULLET BEING FIRED, WITHOUT A SINGLE PERSON'S DEATH... TO GET OUR FREEDOM AND INDEPENDENCE. ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS PUT A CROSS IN THE YES BOX.

[JoshBB]

I think they will vote Yes, which is also what I am hoping for.

[arista]

I think they will vote Yes, which is also what I am hoping for.





You Are Most Wise

[smudgie]

If it means I don't have to see Salmond and Sturgeon on my tv screens anymore then I pray for a yes vote.

[SoBig]

I want a yes and then declare war on England and take it over using out nuclear weapons as a big stick

then we can enslave them and bleed the country dry

we could also sell their children to France as slaves and shut all the cinemas and bingo halls so they would have to stay in and listen to radio 4 as tv would also be shut down


that will learn them

:unsure:D:

[the truth]

I stole this from another forum


Scotland has only 8.3% of the UK’s population.
Remember this important figure... 8.3%.

But we DO have...

32% of the land area.
61% of the sea area.
90% of the fresh water.
65% of the natural gas production.
96.5% of the crude oil production.
47% of the open cast coal production.
81% of the untapped coal reserves.
62% of the timber production.
46% of the total forest area.
92% of the hydro electric production.
40% of the wind wave and solar energy production.
60% of the fish landings.
30% of the beef herd.
20% of the sheep herd.
9% of the dairy herd.
10% of the pig herd.
15% if the cereal holdings.
20% of the potato holdings.
...obviously 100% of the Scotch Whisky industry.

We have a...
17 billion pound construction industry.
13 billion pound food and drink industry.
10 billion pound business services industry.
9.3 billion pound chemical services industry.
A 9.3 billion pound tourism industry.
7 billion pound financial services industry.
5 billion pound aeroservice industry.
4.5 billion pound whisky exports industry.
3.1 billion pound life sciences industry.
Scotland still has 350 million pounds worth of textile exports.

We have 25% of Europe’s wave and wind energy potential.

And finally we are blessed to have 1.5 Trillion pounds worth of oil and gas reserves.

All of this, yet only 8.3% of The UK’s population... Wow, Scotland should be rich!

IGNORANCE...
If you hear anyone saying “I DON'T LIKE ALEX SALMOND” or “I DON'T LIKE SNP”...
THIS VOTE IS ABOUT SCOTLAND'S RIGHT TO ELECT ITS OWN GOVERNMENT... IT HAS NOTHING WHATSOEVER TO DO WITH ALEX SALMOND OR THE SNP.
DON'T LET POLITICAL IGNORANCE RUIN THIS OPPORTUNITY.

Do you know... This is the UK’s legacy of success in our history of being “better-together”...

The UK has the 3rd lowest pensions in the 34 OECD countries of the world.

The UK has the single most expensive childcare in the European Union.

The UK has the second lowest-paid economy in the entire developed world.

The UK has the 3rd longest working hours in the EU.

The UK has the lowest number of holidays in the EU.

The UK has the 8th highest gender inequality pay gap out of the EU’s 28 countries.

The UK has the highest likelihood of poverty in disablement in the EU.

The UK has the highest rail prices in Europe.

The UK has the second highest housing cost in Europe.

The UK has the highest fuel poverty rates in Europe.

The UK is the 4th highest country of wealth inequality in the entire planet!

Now, finally, did you also know that in ALL of the UK’s elections for Westminster that there has ever been, not one vote cast in SCOTLAND has ever mattered! Because of the Westminster numbers, whatever government England votes for, the UK gets. So we have NO DEMOCRACY here!!! 4 decades of Tory rule that we voted against is proof enough, and our defiance was punished by the closure of all the mines; closure of all the steelworks; closure of all the shipyards losing hundreds of thousands of jobs. The term used by Westminster’s Thatcher when these industries needed some assistance was “let the markets decide”. Funny how when the greedy bankers collapsed everywhere they were bailed out to the tune of over a Trillion pounds of our money... Not a mention of “let the markets decide”.

FACTS:
Fact: Scotland has an oil boom waiting to happen on the West Coast, but Michael Hesaltine signed a cessation of any form of oil exploration in the entire area in the 80's to make way for nuclear submarines which Scotland doesn’t need or want!

Fact: Scotland has shown its revulsion time and time again to nuclear weapons but they place them here against Scotland’s wishes. A recent contingency report was carried out about the feasibility of relocating them in Portsmouth. The report stated that it was unfeasible because the detrimental risk to the area of an incident was too high. (But its ok for the Clyde though).

Fact: Scotland, with only 1 Tory MP, was forced to take the shocking attack on the poor & disabled called The Bedroom Tax, even though as our nation’s government, Holyrood voted to utterly reject this awful tax on the poor. Westminster gave us it anyway!

Fact: We are led to believe that the oil in our waters is finished and its a dying industry. Yet 13.5 billion has been invested by oil companies in the last 2 years alone!

Fact: The Clair Oil Field is about to open, and on its own has over 650 million barrels which will be extracted over 20+ years with production reaching a hundred thousand barrels a day!

Fact: Scotland gives more to Westminster than it gets back. Do you really think they’d be so keen to keep us if we were being subsidised like they’d have us believe?

Fact: Westminster has amassed over £1.3 Trillion debt and still growing at nearly £6000 a second. That’s another £516 million today alone which YOU will have to pay for.

Fact: Of the 178 countries that have gained their own independence across this planet, not one single one of them has ever asked to reverse this independence, and very few of them have the assets we have.

SCOTLAND, WHAT ARE WE SCARED OF? WE HAVE A CHANCE... WITHOUT A SINGLE BULLET BEING FIRED, WITHOUT A SINGLE PERSON'S DEATH... TO GET OUR FREEDOM AND INDEPENDENCE. ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS PUT A CROSS IN THE YES BOX.

That is the single best post I have ever read on this website, in years of trawling through nonsense. Just superb. Informative, in depth, topical, great research, great passion, great timing, it had it all. I shall copy and paste this and show this to a few friends if thats ok. Where did you obtain and collate all this information. One thing's for sure I want whatever happens to be in th ebest interests of bonny scotland, possibly the greatest country on the planet!:cheer2:

[Kizzy]

That is the single best post I have ever read on this website, in years of trawling through nonsense. Just superb. Informative, in depth, topical, great research, great passion, great timing, it had it all. I shall copy and paste this and show this to a few friends if thats ok. Where did you obtain and collate all this information. One thing's for sure I want whatever happens to be in th ebest interests of bonny scotland, possibly the greatest country on the planet!:cheer2:

Aren't you Welsh?

[the truth]

Aren't you Welsh?

no

[Kizzy]

no

Are you sure boyo?

[Lee.]

The Yes campaign haven't helped themselves by harassing any business which expresses worries about independence. Security, certainty, confidence etc. are everything to companies and a lot of them have legit concerns over the uncertainty of an independent Scotland especially when Salmond hasn't really given them much cause to be confident, instead they've been condemned as panicking, scaremongering etc. and some of the attacks from the Yes campaign have been pretty unpleasant.

Some of the attacks have been pretty unpleasant?? Which ones?

[user104658]

Some of the attacks have been pretty unpleasant?? Which ones?

The fictional tabloid ones.

[Crimson Dynamo]

-YkLPxQp_y0


:joker::joker::joker:

[lily.]

I think it will be close but the Yes vote are jus going to swing it.....

Same.

[lily.]

i was told something that is why i'm saying this.

but they only have nhs because they part of the UK

that is why someone told me

NHSS is NHS Scotland. It's already kinda independent of the rest of the NHS.

[bots]

I stole this from another forum


Scotland has only 8.3% of the UK’s population.
Remember this important figure... 8.3%.

But we DO have...



Lots of figures quoted, but without context they are meaningless unfortunately. Statistics and figures can be quoted to prove any point.

[Lee.]

Lots of figures quoted, but without context they are meaningless unfortunately. Statistics and figures can be quoted to prove any point.

And THAT is exactly why there's no way if winning an argument with a NO voter! They claim there's not enough facts and figures forthcoming, and when supplied with them, the claim they don't mean anything! :conf:

[Josy]

The fictional tabloid ones.

Not sure where in Scotland you are but where I am it's getting pretty bad.

[Josy]

And THAT is exactly why there's no way if winning an argument with a NO voter! They claim there's not enough facts and figures forthcoming, and when supplied with them, the claim they don't mean anything! :conf:

Well of course you are going to say that being a yes voter Lee but then a no voter could say in reply that there's no way of winning an argument with a yes voter because the minute any viable info is used it's 'scaremongering' or 'bullying'

It's tit for tat.

[MTVN]

Some of the attacks have been pretty unpleasant?? Which ones?

I'm not so much talking about individual attacks necessarily - though there are plenty of reports/anecdotes of those, obviously I don't live in Scotland so can't talk about personal experience though - it's more the general attitude of the Yes campaign. I find it funny how 'Better Together' gets criticised for not being 'positive' enough when the Yes campaign has consistently denigrated their opponents, dismissed legitimate concerns, and jumped on any businesses who dare to question the ramifications of independence.

Case in point: http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/a3bed228-3cd5-11e4-9733-00144feabdc0.html#axzz3DZ9scdxR

Alex Salmond has called big companies “foolish” for taking part in what he claimed was a campaign of scaremongering against Scottish independence orchestrated by Downing Street.


If Salmond wants an independent Scotland to be successful then he should be reassuring businesses who are obviously worried about the uncertainty of independence, instead he sees everything as some scaremongering conspiracy conjured up in Westminster by Tory elites, it's becoming a very tired narrative.

[lostalex]

I still don't believe that this could actually happen. It's been fun to watch the campaigns, but i just can't imagine Scotland actually being a completely separate country.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I still don't believe that this could actually happen. It's been fun to watch the campaigns, but i just can't imagine Scotland actually being a completely separate country.

I fear that fear will probably win

[joeysteele]

I still don't believe that this could actually happen. It's been fun to watch the campaigns, but i just can't imagine Scotland actually being a completely separate country.

I have thought on the same lines as you Lostalex,I do concede there has been a big shift as to the support to the 'yes' campaign.
I think you are right n your belief that it won't actually come about.

However,I was thinking a year ago that the result was likely to be a minimum 60% against independence at least and although I do believe the 'yes' camp have closed the gap.I am going to say I think it will still likely end up somewhere in the region of 55% 'no' and 45% 'yes'.

I also feel a need to say, while I applaud Alex Salmond for all his efforts all through.
This morning however I saw the best speech there has been that has been televised, and that came from Gordon Brown for the 'no' camp.

I really,really hope after this vote,if the Scots vote 'no',that they do get the promise fulfilled of more powers to them.
Would I however trust Cameron and co. on that one.
Not in a million years.

[Kizzy]

I wouldn't be surprised if there's rioting over the weekend, people are getting really whipped up :/

[Crimson Dynamo]

I wouldn't be surprised if there's rioting over the weekend, people are getting really whipped up :/

there are riots every weekend in Scotland

Its called Saturday night


:hehe:

[Kazanne]

Will England have a new flag?

[Kazanne]

Yes plz they will probs give us points in Eurovision

I doubt it,they hate us when we play football :joker:

[Niamh.]

Will England have a new flag?

Britain don't you mean? :hehe:

[Josy]

Isn't the English flag the St Georges Cross?

If you mean the union flag then the Saltire would be removed I imagine?

[Novo]

Scotland can join Ireland jobbing out in 56th place in the Olympics medal table whilst we destroy the competition like we did at the Commonwealths :idc:

[Kyle]

Britain don't you mean? :hehe:

Youz can have Wales and Norn Ireland if you want it. For a kebab and a pint of carling their yours no questions asked.

[Niamh.]

Scotland can join Ireland jobbing out in 56th place in the Olympics medal table whilst we destroy the competition like we did at the Commonwealths :idc:

Number 1 in the 6 nations though :hmph: Also, we've got Rory for the next Olympics :idc:

[Novo]

Although I do know a lot of Scottish sportspeople who have already said they will choose to represent GB over Scotland given the choice

[Kazanne]

Britain don't you mean? :hehe:

I mean the flag without Scotland incorporated if they say Yes:shrug:

[Novo]

Number 1 in the 6 nations though :hmph: Also, we've got Rory for the next Olympics :idc:

Never won the Rugby World cup though have you, fall back :idc:

[MTVN]

There have been quite a few suggestions for how to change the flag but I don't think they'd bother, not worth it really and too much hassle

[Niamh.]

Never won the Rugby World cup though have you, fall back :idc:

Our time will come :fist:

[Crimson Dynamo]

I mean the flag without Scotland incorporated if they say Yes:shrug:

here it is its just been released

http://www.hopenothate.org.uk//blog/images/2128_2489.jpg


Sorry to MTVN as his head gets cut off in the image

[lostalex]

There have been quite a few suggestions for how to change the flag but I don't think they'd bother, not worth it really and too much hassle

I don't think it's a big deal. The US flag has changed a million times with no real hassle. Whenever America adds or loses a state we have to change the flag, and it hasn't been a problem.

[the truth]

the welsh and irish arent on the union jack anyway? unless its an invisible dragon and leprecaun?

[lostalex]

the welsh and irish arent on the union jack anyway? unless its an invisible dragon and leprecaun?

so it would be a good opportunity to update the flag.

[Marsh.]

Don't give them ideas. I'm not having some tacky dragon on the flag. :hmph:

[lostalex]

Don't give them ideas. I'm not having some tacky dragon on the flag. :hmph:

are you trying to encourage the welsh to have a referendum next? cause calling their dragon tacky is a good way to encourage them to have their own referendum.

I would love if Scotland, Ireland, and Wales formed their own United Kingdom, and England got left behind as a small little loser with a pathetic out-dated royal family.

Maybe the UK could still exist, just without England!

[Kizzy]

are you trying to encourage the welsh to have a referendum next? cause calling their dragon tacky is a good way to encourage them to have their own referendum.

I would love if Scotland, Ireland, and Wales formed their own United Kingdom, and England got left behind as a small little loser with a pathetic out-dated royal family.

Maybe the UK could still exist, just without England!

Don't even joke about it :laugh:

[joeysteele]

I really don't see how the UK can 'legitimately'call itself the UK still if Scotland votes for independence.

[Novo]

In the not to distant future England and Russia led by the dreamteam alliance of Putin and Red Ed, shades of Churchill and Stalin as they tear across the middle east taking care of ISIS without the help of America, LostAlex watching Fox News as Vlad rides a horse into the Syria deserts taking out 3 Terrorists with one swipe of his Kremlin Claymore and the newly designed Soviet England flag in the other hand

[MTVN]

Ireland is represented on the flag with the red Saint Patrick's saltire

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/20/St_Patrick%27s_saltire.svg/250px-St_Patrick%27s_saltire.svg.png

Wales isn't because it was part of England at the time

[lostalex]

In the not to distant future England and Russia led by the dreamteam alliance of Putin and Red Ed, shades of Churchill and Stalin as they tear across the middle east taking care of ISIS without the help of America, LostAlex watching Fox News as Vlad rides a horse into the Syria deserts taking out 3 Terrorists with one swipe of his Kremlin Claymore and the newly designed Soviet England flag in the other hand

you think i watch Fox news? that's funny. But you obviously watch RT news, so i'm not surprised.

[arista]

If on Friday the Vote is Yes
London Parliament is recalled

Jolly Good

[lostalex]

hypothetical situation, if YES happens, will all the english in Scotland and all the Scots in England be then considered immigrants? or is there an automatic freedom of movement system set up between the 2 countries?

will anyone be kicked out?

[Kizzy]

you think i watch Fox news? that's funny. But you obviously watch RT news, so i'm not surprised.

Our fox is the BBC so yeah we rely on RT for news on 'civil disobedience' in the UK :laugh:

[Kizzy]

hypothetical situation, if YES happens, will all the english in Scotland and all the Scots in England be then considered immigrants? or is there an automatic freedom of movement system set up between the 2 countries?

will anyone be kicked out?

Only the krankies.

[lily.]

Britain don't you mean? :hehe:

Isn't the English flag the St Georges Cross?

If you mean the union flag then the Saltire would be removed I imagine?

^

[lostalex]

st. george is the england (EDL) flag

st. andrews is the scottish (saltire) flag

st. patrick is the happy leprechaun on the box of lucky charms

[Angelika]

I'm hoping its a "No" and if that is the case I hope the "Yes" voters accept with good grace. I firmly believe we are better together.

If there is a "Yes" result I'll buy as much as I can from Scottish suppliers to support their economy. What more can we do!

I'll be very upset if we lose the Union Flag! OMG! It has to be a "No" tomorrow!
http://www.thewire.com/global/2014/09/what-happens-to-the-union-jack-flag-if-scotland-leaves-the-united-kingdom/380279/

[armand.kay]

I think it's gonna be a yes I'm hoping no tho.

[MTVN]

hypothetical situation, if YES happens, will all the english in Scotland and all the Scots in England be then considered immigrants? or is there an automatic freedom of movement system set up between the 2 countries?

will anyone be kicked out?

Well they won't be independent immediately even if they vote Yes, sometime early 2016 is I think the date they are aiming to finalise all the negotiations etc. they'll almost certainly be a freedom of movement agreement plus Scotland will be looking to join the EU which will make it guaranteed anyway

[Marsh.]

are you trying to encourage the welsh to have a referendum next? cause calling their dragon tacky is a good way to encourage them to have their own referendum.

I would love if Scotland, Ireland, and Wales formed their own United Kingdom, and England got left behind as a small little loser with a pathetic out-dated royal family.

Maybe the UK could still exist, just without England!

Oh dear, you've entered back into that territory where you think you know what you're talking about.... but you don't. :laugh2:

I do love it when Americans try to broaden their knowledge beyond the States though. It's cute.

[lostalex]

Oh dear, you've entered back into that territory where you think you know what you're talking about.... but you don't. :laugh2:

I do love it when Americans try to broaden their knowledge beyond the States though. It's cute.

that's racist. :nono:

[Marsh.]

that's racist. :nono:

http://38.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m7r6cyuYDY1qhh6xjo4_250.gif

[Kizzy]

that's racist. :nono:

It's xenophobic actually, but as you aligned our St Georges flag with the fascist EDL you can't really comment.

[Calderyon]

I think they will vote "YES". I think the majority of them (small or moderate) have wanted independence for so long that they don´t want to let possibly the opportunity to "rid" themselves of England slide away.

Do i think it´s a wise choice. I´m not sure as in the event that they vote "YES" and gain independence from England, they have to build everything from scratch (government, army, relations to other countries, economy, health care and legal system and trade etc. pretty much their whole infrastructure system...).

[lostalex]

It's xenophobic actually, but as you aligned our St Georges flag with the fascist EDL you can't really comment.

umm, i didn't align it, your media aligns it. i constantly see arctic.es on british websites saying that anyone who displays the st. george's flag must be an EDL nationalist racist, right??? I'm not making it up.

I didn't just imagine it.

[Niamh.]

the welsh and irish arent on the union jack anyway? unless its an invisible dragon and leprecaun?

Ireland (North or South) doesn't have a Leprauchaun on our flag :fist:

[joeysteele]

No matter how anyone may be voting tomorrow, for or against,I hope the day goes well and that the result will be more decisive than is expected either way.

I have loved reading the views of those from Scotland,being of Scottish ancestry on my Dad's side and having two Brothers who were born in Scotland too,it is a Nation I absolutely love.

All best wishes to all of you in Scotland on what is a really massive day for you all and for that beautiful Country.

[James]

If there is a yes vote I think I will feel completely negatively about it. I think the SNP and Salmond and co have made promises that not only don't stack up - they know they don't stack up.

There will be years of political turmoil and arguments with the English and other parts of the United Kingdom. Huge issues that have been practically skated over in the debating that will need sorted. Scots - in general and those living in England - could face resentment.

I just read an interesting line someone said - there's no such thing [in the world] as a successfully divided island.

Stick together.

[lostalex]

it's true, we ll love our fuzzy red haired scottish brothers and sisters. *pats the gingers on the head* we love you!

The truth is, it will shake up the english political elite, because all 3 major parties will be failures if YES wins. and maybe that's a good thing.

I'm fucvking sick of Cameron and Clegg and Miliband, i think all of the english elites need to rethink their political leaders, cause of all of them are BITTER disappointments.

I think Hillary should become leader of the labour party.

[Kizzy]

I agree with joey, I have Scottish Moravian roots so good luck Scotties :D

[joeysteele]

it's true, we ll love our fuzzy red haired scottish brothers and sisters. *pats the gingers on the head* we love you!

The truth is, it will shake up the english political elite, because all 3 major parties will be failures if YES wins. and maybe that's a good thing.

I'm fucvking sick of Cameron and Clegg and Miliband, i think all of the english elites need to rethink their political leaders, cause of all of them are BITTER disappointments.

I think Hillary should become leader of the labour party.



:cheer2:You have made some really great contributions to this debate Lostalex.

As for Hilary,I for one would welcome her with open arms to our politics as a leader, I am a strong admirer of Hilary.

[Josy]

Hearing some rumours that it's kicking Off in Glasgow between yes and no voters

[GypsyGoth]

Hopefully the undecided join the fight and beat up both of them.

[arista]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/t31.0-8/s960x960/10482011_10202980203927085_4772131392566314171_o.j pg


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Now on +1

[Novo]

Hearing some rumours that it's kicking Off in Glasgow between yes and no voters

Myself, Leon and Locke are heading up there in the Golf to back up the No voters, the bastards won't get away with this

[GypsyGoth]

:laugh2:

[BigBrotherfan4ever]

Hoping its a YES, but think it will be NO

What ever happens, we all have to learn to live with it.

[Kizzy]

Hearing some rumours that it's kicking Off in Glasgow between yes and no voters

Better hope Alex doesn't borrow those cannon off boris...

[James]

I don't like the energy of this debate. Edit: I mean in Scotland and not on here, haha.

[James]

I don't want the United Kingdom to become a foreign country to Scotland, with all that would entail.

Also this idea that is being put about in certain quarters that a Scottish government would be more left-wing because that is how Scotland votes now is wrong. An independent government would have responsibility over every policy area like immigration, defence and the economy. I think it would get more parochial and inward-looking. Scotland is actually a more conservative, in the true sense of the word, and less cosmopolitan than England.

[Marsh.]

They'll vote yes then in 5 years they'll be begging for us to take them back. :hmph:

[Kizzy]

I don't want the United Kingdom to become a foreign country to Scotland, with all that would entail.

Also this idea that is being put about in certain quarters that a Scottish government would be more left-wing because that is how Scotland votes now is wrong. An independent government would have responsibility over every policy area like immigration, defence and the economy. I think it would get more parochial and inward-looking. Scotland is actually a more conservative, in the true sense of the word, and less cosmopolitan than England.

Very wise James... He's the pied piper, put has all the rat's in his pocket.

'At first sight, Rupert Murdoch and Alex Salmond do not make obvious bedfellows. Murdoch is the right-wing media mogul whose outlets, from the News of the World to Fox News, slap down progressive policy across the world. Salmond is the visionary leader promising a more socialist society for Scotland if it can break free of the rest of the UK.

But Murdoch's trip to Scotland last week was just the latest stage in a long friendship between the two men, in which back-room efforts to help Murdoch's business goals coincide with favourable media coverage.

Salmond enjoys this type of relationship with several wealthy right-wing figures from across the world. He "called in" a golf course for Donald Trump above the wishes of local residents. He accepted donations from Stagecoach boss Brian Souter shortly before changing SNP policy on bus regulation. The list goes on.'

http://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2014/09/15/the-right-wing-business-tycoons-behind-alex-salmond-s-indepe

[Lee.]

I don't like the energy of this debate. Edit: I mean in Scotland and not on here, haha.

You're joking? I'm in awe of my fellow countrymen! Never have I seen this country so engaged in political debate! People are rising up and showing an interest in the future of our country.. Yes or no, the majority have an opinion; that to me is fantastic! And regardless if what the media report, all in all it's been a peaceful, energetic campaign!

[Novo]

Someone will be murdered tomorrow at some point, I'm convinced

[James]

I think I was basing that on the Channel 4 debate thing I saw earlier. It was getting me a bit wound up.

People are so engaged because it is such a big decision. When it goes back to normal elections it will be back to apathy for a lot of people.

[Brother Leon]

They'll vote yes then in 5 years they'll be begging for us to take them back. :hmph:

I give it a year max before they realise they ****ed up :laugh:

[Lee.]

I think I was basing that on the Channel 4 debate thing I saw earlier. It was getting me a bit wound up.

People are so engaged because it is such a big decision. When it goes back to normal elections it will be back to apathy for a lot of people.

Nope, if we get our independence, apathy will be a thing of the past. Our voices will actually mean something and we'll vote for the governments and policies we want.

[the truth]

would devo max to the jocks disadvantage the welsh and english too much?

[Lee.]

I give it a year max before they realise they ****ed up :laugh:

****ed up in what way?

[the truth]

****ed up in what way?

he doesnt know he was just after attention

[Lee.]

would devo max to the jocks disadvantage the welsh and english too much?

Nobody really knows what devo max is..

[Kizzy]

I do, it's total economic control.

[Lee.]

I do, it's total economic control.

Including the "dwindling" oil? :suspect:

[Firewire]

I'm ready for the dramz

[Firewire]

Hope it's no just to see the meltdowns of the yes voters, love it

[Lee.]

Hope it's no just to see the meltdowns of the yes voters, love it

That's your reason for wanting it to be a no? Is that your only reason? I'll admit I'll be gutted, and there will be tears.. I'm not sure a "meltdown" will happen though.

[Kizzy]

Including the "dwindling" oil? :suspect:

Yep, and I would suspect it isn't dwindling at all..

Having said that there's a lot of decommissioning going on... :/

'Decommissioning North Sea oil and gas facilities is projected to cost between £30 - 35 bn between 2010 and 2040.
Decommissioning is a relatively new business in the North Sea and so operators and contractors need to work together in partnership to promote knowledge transfer and minimise risk.
We are building relationships and facing challenges together.'

http://www.decomnorthsea.com/main_about.cfm?main_ID=3

[Firewire]

That's your reason for wanting it to be a no? Is that your only reason? I'll admit I'll be gutted, and there will be tears.. I'm not sure a "meltdown" will happen though.

Absolutely not, I have legitimate reasons. One being the fact I have the idea of living in England once I have my degree. I have more.

[lostalex]

It will be NO. it's already decided. Not just by westminster, but also by the EU and the US, think of the can of worms it would open if Scotland became independent. It won't be allowed. period.

[Lee.]

Yep, and I would suspect it isn't dwindling at all..
No it's not.. WM knows it, the oil industry know it, we all know it.. It will not be included in our new super duper powers. Guaranteed
Absolutely not, I have legitimate reasons. One being the fact I have the idea of living in England once I have my degree. I have more.
Why would Scotland being independent stop you living in England?
It will be NO. it's already decided. Not just by westminster, but also by the EU and the US, think of the can of worms it would open if Scotland became independent. It won't be allowed. period.
This is what worries me

[Firewire]

Why would Scotland being independent stop you living in England?

Because I wouldn't want to be a foreigner?

I don't care about scotland's future, I care about mine. It has a brighter outlook as part of the UK.

[Lee.]

Because I wouldn't want to be a foreigner?

I don't care about scotland's future, I care about mine. It has a brighter outlook as part of the UK.

That's the main difference I've seen between yes and no voters.. No voters are voting for their own businesses/finance/security. Yes voters are voting for the future of Scotland and future generations

I still don't understand how living in England post independence would affect your vote?

[Firewire]

That's the main difference I've seen between yes and no voters.. No voters are voting for their own businesses/finance/security. Yes voters are voting for the future of Scotland and future generations

I still don't understand how living in England post independence would affect your vote?

I like scotland as part of the UK and I don't want to break that up... The fact I want to live in England strengthens my view as I feel a United Kingdom would offer me better opportunities. An independent Scotland has too many unanswered questions and it's too big of a risk, when I know how I can succeed in the UK. Scotland, to me, shouldn't be independent.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I like scotland as part of the UK and I don't want to break that up... The fact I want to live in England strengthens my view as I feel a United Kingdom would offer me better opportunities. An independent Scotland has too many unanswered questions and it's too big of a risk, when I know how I can succeed in the UK. Scotland, to me, shouldn't be independent.

I wish people would realise that there are unanswered questions because it has not happened yet

its easy to say "well this may happen and that may" whilst at the same time battering them with "I want to know when, what where"

Mandela said that you must never vote in fear but always in hope

[bots]

I wish people would realise that there are unanswered questions because it has not happened yet

its easy to say "well this may happen and that may" whilst at the same time battering them with "I want to know when, what where"

Mandela said that you must never vote in fear but always in hope

But its only classed as fear by those that support the other result. For example, many No voters are voting for known stability, with the hope that the UK has had a wake up call. :laugh:

[AnnieK]

Wow the poll results here are as close as the actual voting

[Novo]

Still 1/5 for a No Vote and 7/2 for a yes vote

[Crimson Dynamo]

But its only classed as fear by those that support the other result. For example, many No voters are voting for known stability, with the hope that the UK has had a wake up call. :laugh:

and what stability have we had say in the last 20 years?

[Nedusa]

I personally think the vote will divide along economic lines. The rich upper classes down to the middle classes who work hard for their "nice" life will probably be desparate to maintain the status quo and as such are more likely to vote NO.

But the poorer, disillusioned and disenfranchised masses in Scotland the people who have ****ty low paid jobs , the unemployed the unemployable, the thousands of families who currently are forced to survive by frequenting Food banks, they will reckon things are not good , have never been good and more importantly will never be good (for them).

so I think these people will think they have nothing to lose as they can't get any poorer, they will most likely vote YES

I also think the Govt badly underestimated this whole referendum and did too little too late.

The domino effect if scotland votes YES is huge

Breakup of UK with Wales and N.Ireland leaving
England coming out of the EU
Britain losing it's seat on UN security Council
Nato being weakened
Nuclear deterrent in UK being scrapped
EU weakened resulting in Germany moving closer to Russia
US weakened as it loses it's main strategic partner (UK)

The implications of this vote are massive and unpredictable.




.

[Locke.]

What time do we find out?

[Crimson Dynamo]

What time do we find out?

i would set your alarm for around 2 am

[bots]

and what stability have we had say in the last 20 years?

Rather a lot actually :)

[Braden]

Was just said on the news that there will be an indication of votes cast around 12/1 am, and the result will be announced at 7/8 am. Some of the isles votes cannot be sent through for counting due to fog, which is why there is a delay.

[Lee.]

What time do we find out?

Aberdeen is the last count in, due at 6am so some time after that, although I think it will begin to look obvious before then.

[bots]

Aberdeen is the last count in, due at 6am so some time after that, although I think it will begin to look obvious before then.

They are saying the majority of results will be in around 3-4am, also there will be no exit polls, so will be interesting what they find to talk about from 10pm until 3am :laugh:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Rather a lot actually :)

2 recessions, the banking fiasco and subsequent cuts to the poorest in society, wars based on basic lies, terrorism, expenses scandal, paedophilia in high places, cover ups on a grand scale (Hillsborough, Rotherham)?

looking real good :crazy:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Aberdeen is the last count in, due at 6am so some time after that, although I think it will begin to look obvious before then.

If say Dumfries and Galloway go yes then that will be a huge positive for Yes


if say Dundee goes no then vice versa

[Lee.]

Here's the expected timing..

http://i.huffpost.com/gen/2064766/original.jpg

[Crimson Dynamo]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-RzhGPPdNVQM/TyhXwwdGcoI/AAAAAAAAARA/sTvrdsaGUr4/s1600/Tartanissimo.jpg

[Crimson Dynamo]

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/multimedia/archive/00410/127177870_Salmond_410107c.jpg

[bots]

2 recessions, the banking fiasco and subsequent cuts to the poorest in society, wars based on basic lies, terrorism, expenses scandal, paedophilia in high places, cover ups on a grand scale (Hillsborough, Rotherham)?

looking real good :crazy:

We are all entitled to our opinions without needing to resort to :crazy: thank you very much

[Crimson Dynamo]

We are all entitled to our opinions without needing to resort to :crazy: thank you very much

Its a guy with an itchy ear :shrug:

[Brother Leon]

****ed up in what way?

he doesnt know he was just after attention

I think the whole independent Scotland thing is a phase. It's born out of resentment towards the current Government. I have a very hard time seeing how Scotland's future will be brighter than that of the UK regardless and the impact of no longer being apart of the UK will outdo any of the positives it may gain imo.

[James]

Nope, if we get our independence, apathy will be a thing of the past. Our voices will actually mean something and we'll vote for the governments and policies we want.

If Scotland became independent there might be a 'honeymoon period' for the first election but it wouldn't last.

Even that is in doubt if things went badly initially or there were tensions etc. with England. The blame game would be huge.

2 recessions, the banking fiasco and subsequent cuts to the poorest in society, wars based on basic lies, terrorism, expenses scandal, paedophilia in high places, cover ups on a grand scale (Hillsborough, Rotherham)?

looking real good :crazy:

The banking crisis started in America and was worldwide, as were the resulting recession and cuts - Britain has actually come out of the slump better than some other countries. Wars happened as a reaction to 9/11. Scotland being independent would have made not one jot to all of that.

[kirklancaster]

just hope scotland has enough money to fund things

Of course they will have, because our dickhead governments will continue to provide support, funding and billions in grants. It's just a pity we can't give the poor Welsh a fairer crack of the fiscal whip - it's long overdue. In my humble opinion.

[user104658]

If Scotland became independent there might be a 'honeymoon period' for the first election but it wouldn't last.

Even that is in doubt if things went badly initially or there were tensions etc. with England. The blame game would be huge.



The banking crisis started in America and was worldwide, as were the resulting recession and cuts - Britain has actually come out of the slump better than some other countries. Wars happened as a reaction to 9/11. Scotland being independent would have made not one jot to all of that.

Britain has not come out of the slump at all. Britain is surfing on manipulated statistics based on inflated finances and artificially booming house prices down south. It can't, and won't, last... and then we're ALL screwed, frankly.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I think the whole independent Scotland thing is a phase. It's born out of resentment towards the current Government. I have a very hard time seeing how Scotland's future will be brighter than that of the UK regardless and the impact of no longer being apart of the UK will outdo any of the positives it may gain imo.

A phase?

jesus wept

go read some history FFS

:facepalm:

[arista]

"The banking crisis started in America and was worldwide, as were the resulting recession and cuts - Britain has actually come out of the slump better than some other countries. Wars happened as a reaction to 9/11. Scotland being independent would have made not one jot to all of that. "


Yes James but temp PM Brown
sold Our Gold vaults off dirt cheap.

Scotland getting to stand on its own feet
is better for everyone , even you
you just do not know it yet

[arista]

Britain has not come out of the slump at all. Britain is surfing on manipulated statistics based on inflated finances and artificially booming house prices down south. It can't, and won't, last... and then we're ALL screwed, frankly.



Yes proof we are still in bad times
is the interest rate so low.

[MTVN]

"The banking crisis started in America and was worldwide, as were the resulting recession and cuts - Britain has actually come out of the slump better than some other countries. Wars happened as a reaction to 9/11. Scotland being independent would have made not one jot to all of that. "


Yes James but temp PM Brown
sold Our Gold vaults off dirt cheap.

Scotland getting to stand on its own feet
is better for everyone , even you
you just do not know it yet

Yes typical of those morons in Westminster who don't represent Scotland at all and who they'd be better off with

Except of course Brown was a Scot elected by Scots and is one of several other Scots who have played some of the most important policy making roles in recent years

[Brother Leon]

A phase?

jesus wept

go read some history FFS

:facepalm:

Most of the sudden loud cries for independence is due to the current government. That's my point. You can't deny that with any history mate. Don't patronise me, go plan your next atheist preaching thread x

[Z]

I've voted. I'm excited to see what the result is and how close it is.

[Z]

I wonder why Aberdeen is last?

[Ninastar]

I wonder why Aberdeen is last?

cause it sucks lolo xoxoxoxoxoxxoxoxo

[Ninastar]

jk i loved it

[Z]

I think I'll be happy regardless of the outcome because I've not been mouthing off about my position on voting on social media for the last two years unlike a lot of people I know. I don't really mind which way it goes, truthfully. That's the conclusion I've come to.

[Locke.]

Did you vote yes or no?

[Z]

I voted Yes.

[Firewire]

I think I'll be happy regardless of the outcome because I've not been mouthing off about my position on voting on social media for the last two years unlike a lot of people I know. I don't really mind which way it goes, truthfully. That's the conclusion I've come to.

Same

[arista]

I voted Yes.


You Are Most Wise Z

[Cal.]

what even is the point of this

[Smithy]

All the yes people i follow on twitter are so aggressive :umm2:

I imagine if the vote was a no there'd be riots, whereas if it was a yes there'd be celebrations

[Samm]

I want yes for the drama

[Crimson Dynamo]

Thats it

The doors have closed

Oh feck

[Firewire]

Hope it's no for the dramz

[Josy]

“There will be no recounts.

“The winning side needs just one more vote than the other and the decision will stand.

“Fingers crossed everybody, that it all goes well and it doesn’t come down to that single voter who couldn’t be bothered heading along to his or her polling booth.

“But in fairness, it seems like the non-voters have been fewer and further between than at any time in British political history.”

.

[Vicky.]

97% turnout I am vaguely hearing from the tv that gavs watching? Thats an amazing amount :o

[Firewire]

97% turnout I am vaguely hearing from the tv that gavs watching? Thats an amazing amount :o

97% registered, not sure if the turnout was that high though

[Black Dagger]

The yes voters got pissy with me on twitter as well just for saying that Scotland better send something good for Eurovision as it's the only reason I care if they get independence ;(

[Vanessa]

The yes voters got pissy with me on twitter as well just for saying that Scotland better send something good for Eurovision as it's the only reason I care if they get independence ;(

:laugh2:

[Vicky.]

I can honestly see riots if the result is no. From what I have seen, the yes voters seem the most...animated about this.

[Jordan.]

Why is there two threads on the matter, are the scottish too pressed to use the UK one http://i.imgur.com/NMvnXL3.gif

[Firewire]

There's a party next door imma stab because they're noisy and I hate them

[Shaun]

I voted Yes.

stay the **** out of my country then :fist:

[Samm]

If it's yes

Can y'all make ThisisbigbrotherScotland.com

[Firewire]

If it's yes

Can y'all make ThisisbigbrotherScotland.com

Shade @ me?

[T*]

They'll still hate us either way

[Samm]

I though Glasgow was partly in England oop

[Firewire]

They'll still hate us either way

I don't hate England

[Firewire]

I though Glasgow was partly in England oop

mess it's nowhere near

[Crimson Dynamo]

Oh FFS Danny Alexander

And Stornoway are playing up

[T*]

I though Glasgow was partly in England oop
http://i.imgur.com/dCmCm01s.jpg

[Crimson Dynamo]

I though Glasgow was partly in England oop

In the name of god

[T*]

I don't hate England

I know you don't. :)

[Jake.]

I though Glasgow was partly in England oop

Just log out now.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Just log out now.

:joker:

[Samm]

I got a A* in geo so y'all can stay pressed :fan:

[Mystic Mock]

I though Glasgow was partly in England oop

This is a joke right?

I still think the Tories and the British people that want Scotland to stay have blew this campaign up very badly, I honestly think that Scotland would've easily stayed if the Tories was not in charge of the country, and we didn't give their version of the BNP all the advantages in this campaign (like being the yes option) or allowing him to manipulate Scottish 16 and 17 year olds into being able to vote knowing that he will be able to swing them onto his side over Cameron's.

David Cameron has shown just how incompetent he is at the job, but hey it's all about your look in Politics and how nice you come across rather than if they can even do the most basic of things like not piss off other nations.

[Jake.]

I got a A* in geo so y'all can stay pressed :fan:

It's clearly gone to good use then

[billy123]

One of the worst things about this is how close the vote looks likely to be.
If it was 70% or 75% in favour of either camp it would make the whole thing feel so much easier to live with but with it looking like it will be a majority of lower than 5% it means there are going to be a lot of unhappy people whatever happens.

[Shaun]

no dimbleby? no interest in this show

[Jake.]

They should do a Channel 5 and freeze the vote lines

[Shaun]

One of the worst things about this is how close the vote looks likely to be.
If it was 70% or 75% in favour of either camp it would make the whole thing feel so much easier to live with but with it looking like it will be a majority of lower than 5% it means there are going to be a lot of unhappy people whatever happens.

I was thinking this; whatever the outcome is, the mandate for what actually happens as a result is going to be so flimsy.

[Crimson Dynamo]

The tory mp leader wifey on bbc scotland alluding to the fact that early postal votes positive for no

[Mystic Mock]

One of the worst things about this is how close the vote looks likely to be.
If it was 70% or 75% in favour of either camp it would make the whole thing feel so much easier to live with but with it looking like it will be a majority of lower than 5% it means there are going to be a lot of unhappy people whatever happens.

Yeah YouGov said 54% voted no and 46% voted yes on their poll.
And early reports are saying that West Endinburgh have voted 77% No, and 23% have voted yes.

[Vanessa]

Yeah YouGov said 54% voted no and 46% voted yes on their poll.
And early reports are saying that West Endinburgh have voted 77% No, and 23% have voted yes.

I knew it would be close, but i think NO will win. It's too much of a risk.

[Shaun]

When was the last time a country voted for independence democratically? Was it Serbia & Montenegro splitting up in 2004?

[Vanessa]

When was the last time a country voted for independence democratically? Was it Serbia & Montenegro splitting up in 2004?

Yes, i think so.

[billy123]

Yeah YouGov said 54% voted no and 46% voted yes on their poll.
And early reports are saying that West Endinburgh have voted 77% No, and 23% have voted yes.
The Edinburgh poll if anywhere near accurate is pretty surprising.

[Crimson Dynamo]

One ward in Angus had 100% turnout

[Vanessa]

One ward in Angus had 100% turnout

:eek:

[Josy]

Amazing turnout

They think atm about 85% turnout in total

[Shaun]

I forgot about Bowie's BRITS speech through Kate Moss

if you bastards disobey David :nono:

[Mystic Mock]

I knew it would be close, but i think NO will win. It's too much of a risk.

I really hope that you're right Vanessa.

But I can't help but feel that Scotland will vote yes, as I actually can understand the Scottish people that are voting yes more than the ones that are voting no because if it was England being controlled by a bigger nation, and we was being forced to have leaders that we don't want, certain emigration that we didn't want, and we had nationalistic Government parties rising up during the Local Elections that I would want to break away as well.

I definitely can understand the people that are voting yes, but as I've been brought up with us all being Great Britain, and I love us being Great Britain, I want us to keep Scotland and they vote no, but I just don't see it.

[Firewire]

Hope it goes to deadlock

[Shaun]

Hope it goes to deadlock

here for Louis trolling and giving independence to Jedward instead

[Samm]

I want yes I hate something big happening and nothing changing

[Vanessa]

I really hope that you're right Vanessa.

But I can't help but feel that Scotland will vote yes, as I actually can understand the Scottish people that are voting yes more than the ones that are voting no because if it was England being controlled by a bigger nation, and we was being forced to have leaders that we don't want, certain emigration that we didn't want, and we had nationalistic Government parties rising up during the Local Elections that I would want to break away as well.

I definitely can understand the people that are voting yes, but as I've been brought up with us all being Great Britain, and I love us being Great Britain, I want us to keep Scotland and they vote no, but I just don't see it.

I'd be shocked if the YES was a majority.

[BigBrotherfan4ever]

I want yes I hate something big happening and nothing changing

Same

[Mystic Mock]

I want yes I hate something big happening and nothing changing

Trust me this change will hurt both Scotland and the UK financially, Military wise, and the most important thing of them all, The Olympics.

It's not something that you want if you want Britain to be stable.

[billy123]

Kay Burley with her white bra on show looks strangely Milfy tonight.
There i said it :hehe:

[Brother Leon]

Kind of just glad it will be over with so everyone can move on. The non stop news coverage and bending over by political leaders so they don't move is embarrassing. If Scotland wants out of the union they are in and that is what will make them happy then **** it and so be it. Of course we aren't all going to move on unfortunately and I dread to think what may happen if no vote wins.

[Mystic Mock]

Kay Burley with her white bra on show looks strangely Milfy tonight.
There i said it :hehe:

Claire King from the last CBB is the MILF for me lol.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Yougov director tells Sky he is now 99% certain of a no vote

[Vanessa]

Yougov director tells Sky he is now 99% certain of a no vote

Let's hope so. http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5wh7rcq4i1r5y2mz.gif

[joeysteele]

I am sticking to what I thought yesterday and expecting around 55% votes for 'no'.

[lostalex]

so it's just all been giant waste of time and energy and resources.

[billy123]

I think someone at CNN has been at the sherry.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bx2JhexCEAAqlnN.jpg

[Shaun]

and from the poll of polls itself :nono:

[lostalex]

I think someone at CNN has been at the sherry.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bx2JhexCEAAqlnN.jpg


there's a ten point margin of error i guess.

[bots]

I think someone at CNN has been at the sherry.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bx2JhexCEAAqlnN.jpg

Thats cause Scotland gave it 110% effort :laugh: