Liberal Democrat Conference 2014 Glasgow

[arista]

On the Parliament Ch now.


Amazing they are talking about hookers
but keep calling them Sex Workers?


They are demanding rights etc.

[Firewire]

On the Parliament Ch now.


Amazing they are talking about hookers
but keep calling them Sex Workers?


They are demanding rights etc.

Sex workers is the correct term for them, "hooker" is a slur

[arista]

Sex workers is the correct term for them, "hooker" is a slur


well I must Slur alot

[joeysteele]

I have contacted friends and family today who I know voted Lib Dem in 2010 and have yet to find one of them even watching the Lib Dem conference.

I have watched it and am infuriated at them saying they can be the party to curb the extremes of left and right as long as neither Conservatives or Labour get an overall majority.

That from a party that has allowed legislation and supported same too, of some of the most extreme right wing heartless policies ever over this last 4+ years.
What a bunch of hypocrites.

[Kizzy]

I have contacted friends and family today who I know voted Lib Dem in 2010 and have yet to find one of them even watching the Lib Dem conference.

I have watched it and am infuriated at them saying they can be the party to curb the extremes of left and right as long as neither Conservatives or Labour get an overall majority.

That from a party that has allowed legislation and supported same too, of some of the most extreme right wing heartless policies ever over this last 4+ years.
What a bunch of hypocrites.

I agree, they had so much respect in 2010 as the party to bring a cool head to the coalition...... what the heck happened? I don't know! The guy didn't just sell out his parties ethos and ideology, he made it nigh on impossible for anyone to consider them as anything other than a joke party forevermore :/

[JoshBB]

If they hadn't formed a Lib/Con coalition, I would have actually considered voting for them in 2020 (when I'm old enough), however now absolutely not. They aren't trustworthy imo. Greens all the way!

[joeysteele]

I agree, they had so much respect in 2010 as the party to bring a cool head to the coalition...... what the heck happened? I don't know! The guy didn't just sell out his parties ethos and ideology, he made it nigh on impossible for anyone to consider them as anything other than a joke party forevermore :/

That is why I voted for them Kizzy, their candidates and party workers near harrassed students for their votes.

From all they promised and said, I voted for them because I thought if they went into coalition with the Conservatives,that they would reduce the severity of the cuts,ensure the NHS was safe,not allow the doubling of tuition fees and protect the vulnerable.

Equally, I voted for them too because I believed were they to form a coalition with Labour,that they would ensure less or no more borrowing,that Labour would strive to halve the deficit in 4 years.
To hold Labour to their health and Social care plans as to the NHS and ensure Labour,with them, worked to protect the recovery that was in place at the 2010 election and to nurture the growth further that was in place.

Never in a million years would I have believed they could have supported so many extreme heartless policies in return for a miserable few Cabinet positions and a time of 5 years of shared power,as they have these in this Parliament.

[MTVN]

Tough for the Lib Dems holding their conference last when Labour and the Tories have nicked two of their core policies; the mansion tax and the increasing the tax free threshold to £12,500

It's not a popular opinion but I have a lot of sympathy and time for the Lib Dems, I feel they did what they needed to do and what was in the public interest in forming a coalition and that they've fought tooth and nail to uphold their values and water down Tory policies as much as they feasibly can as the minority partner

[joeysteele]

Tough for the Lib Dems holding their conference last when Labour and the Tories have nicked two of their core policies; the mansion tax and the increasing the tax free threshold to £12,500

It's not a popular opinion but I have a lot of sympathy and time for the Lib Dems, I feel they did what they needed to do and what was in the public interest in forming a coalition and that they've fought tooth and nail to uphold their values and water down Tory policies as much as they feasibly can as the minority partner

I take the opposite view, as all I see is that they threw out just about all their principles and values to get a shared time in Govt.
In truth, they should have been the stronger element in this coalition, the reality for the minority Conservative party was that without the Lib Dems they could get nothing passed at all really.

So where did the NHS reforms come from, neither party in the coalition had them in their manifesto, yet they got supported by the Lib Dems.
The severity of the policies against the most vulnerable, where did the support for those come from the Lib Dems.
In 2010 the Lib Dems were more to the left of politics than Labour,yet they could support such measures.

There are really only 3 things the Lib Dems can take any credit for, that was the AV referendum,they never even pushed for a full PR referendum or discussion.
That was lost.
The 2nd thing was the legislation to ensure the Govt stayed in power for the full 5 years, that was only in their own interest too.

The final thing was the increasing of the tax threshold,which really the Conservatives would have likely done but would have also done for the top end of paying tax too again.
All they have done is allow something like 70% of the Conservative manifesto and further extreme policies get through Parliament.

The problem for the Lib Dems now are, that voters haven't a clue what their values or principles are anymore,what they thought they stood for,no matter the policy, they have seen them thow out completely for a time in Govt.
So why should they be believed again.

The media could simply replay the whole 2010 election campaign as to the Lib Dems, saying this what they said needed to be done and then look at what they supported.

It would be massively enlightening and and also a massive condemnation of the principles of the Lib Dems under Nick Clegg's leadership and it is why, no matter whatever else happens in 2015, they will be heavily hit by the voters who did put their trust in them and who have had to wait a full 5 years to get their votes back to now use against them.
That's my take on the Lib Dems now anyway and I was one who did trust them, never ever again.

[joeysteele]

This morning they are moaning about the benefit system being too complex and people being sanctioned as to benefits along with homelessness yet they have supported in full all of Ian Duncan Smith's rotten policies.
The Lib Dems bring a whole new meaning to the word hypocrisy.

I dare predict,if there is a hung parliament and they could only put the Conservatives into Govt. again, that then for some more crumbs as to policy, they would turn their backs again on the most vulnerable people of the UK for another 5 years of shared power incuding the benefits freeze they are moaning against this morning.

[Kizzy]

they aided the watering down of policies? I'd hate to see what kind of 'big society' we'd have now if they hadn't.. I assume they successfully blocked the under 9s chimney sweeping apprenticeships and the knotting and unknotting of rope for the unemployed?

[joeysteele]

they aided the watering down of policies? I'd hate to see what kind of 'big society' we'd have now if they hadn't.. I assume they successfully blocked the under 9s chimney sweeping apprenticeships and the knotting and unknotting of rope for the unemployed?

:joker: Nice one,however Kizzy you should maybe try to refrain from giving the Conservatives some new ideas.:joker:

[Crimson Dynamo]

I forgot we had a party called the lib-dems


:hehe:

[joeysteele]

I forgot we had a party called the lib-dems


:hehe:

:joker:Oh gosh, I love that one too, I don't think you are alone there either.

[arista]

The LibDems
can never be in total control.


So the Cocky buggers keep saying (on Radio 5. SkyNewsHD , BBC)
they will be with Conservative or Labour.



How the Fecking Hell do they know the amounts of votes

[joeysteele]

The LibDems
can never be in total control.


So the Cocky buggers keep saying
they will be with Conservative or Labour.



Hey the Fecking Hell do they know the amounts of votes

So in effect, anything they actually say as to their own possible whatever policies? is in fact meaningless.

Well said arista.

[arista]

So in effect, anything they actually say as to their own possible whatever policies? is in fact meaningless.

Well said arista.



Yes they know that in secret
the buggers

[Kizzy]

Oh it's no secret now, it's screamingly obvious that Clegg, Cable and others are more than happy creaming off whatever floats their way after the tories have churned up as much of the countries assets as they could.

[arista]

Oh it's no secret now, it's screamingly obvious that Clegg, Cable and others are more than happy creaming off whatever floats their way after the tories have churned up as much of the countries assets as they could.


Yes Clegg is fighting
and Bloody Rude


I like him Attacking Labour though

[user104658]

they aided the watering down of policies? I'd hate to see what kind of 'big society' we'd have now if they hadn't.. I assume they successfully blocked the under 9s chimney sweeping apprenticeships and the knotting and unknotting of rope for the unemployed?

Well maybe they saved the little urchins, but I'm pretty sure the rope knotting actually got through with a couple of adjustments.

[Kizzy]

Yes Clegg is fighting
and Bloody Rude


I like him Attacking Labour though

What you have to ask yourself is 'why'... and in many ways their policies were closer to labour than the conservatives, forcing the question why are they now seen as hand in glove with them?

It's for the influence and the money; Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely.

[arista]

What you have to ask yourself is 'why'... and in many ways their policies were closer to labour than the conservatives, forcing the question why are they now seen as hand in glove with them?

It's for the influence and the money; Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely.



But they have all swapped ideas.


If no Party Wins Outright
Whoever is the Highest
Like if its Conservative
they join lil' LibDems for another 5 Year run.



But no one is calling this Election
so much can change in a few months

"events"

[arista]

On Marr (on BBC1 9:15AM today)
why the Fecking Hell did he not tell Clegg
to stop and let him speak.

Middle Ground?

Shut the Feck Up Clegg

[joeysteele]

Watching it this morning it looked like even there they were almost talking to a near empty hall really.
All I am hearing from most of those I communicate with off here is that they just don't believe anything any of them say now.

[arista]

Clegg is now pushing his Spanish Wife out
she was on SkyNewsHD this morning,

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2014/10/6/340368/default/v2/cegrab-20141006-203801-380-1-942x530.jpg
http://news.sky.com/story/1348497/deputy-pms-wife-i-just-want-what-men-have


Clever Lady
but the real truth
will come out when she leaves him.

[user104658]

Watching it this morning it looked like even there they were almost talking to a near empty hall really.
All I am hearing from most of those I communicate with off here is that they just don't believe anything any of them say now.


I don't think any party has ever betrayed their core voters the way the LibDems have since getting into bed with the Tories. I think it would be madness for anyone to trust them again.

I mean, yes, Tory policies are awful but they're... Tories. It's expected - people who vote for them know (or should know) what they are voting for by now. If I had voted LibDem I would be feeling utterly scammed.

[joeysteele]

I don't think any party has ever betrayed their core voters the way the LibDems have since getting into bed with the Tories. I think it would be madness for anyone to trust them again.

I mean, yes, Tory policies are awful but they're... Tories. It's expected - people who vote for them know (or should know) what they are voting for by now. If I had voted LibDem I would be feeling utterly scammed.

Spot on,I did vote for them and do feel scammed by them.

Nothing they can say to me now will alter the view I now have of why I trusted them and then by their actions once getting any power they threw out that trust completely.

I also agree that likely no party taking power has likely betrayed the trust of their voters so badly as the Lib Dems have these last 4+ years now.

[arista]

Joey go back a page
his Wife is a new weapon for Clegg

[joeysteele]

Joey go back a page
his Wife is a new weapon for Clegg

Oh crumbs, I was unfortunately listening her yesterday, he is bad enough, I hope he heads off to the EU again after the 2015 election and takes her with him.

I am not normally one to get at Politicians wives,however once they stick their nose into things then they become fair game.

Like the other one too, Samcam.
I wonder if she sets out to help with a homeless charity for the cameras in the election campaign as she was filmed helping at a charity last time.
As to the homeless, her Husband has certainly created plenty more opportunites for filming and photos for her.

As for Mrs. Clegg, I would see her more as a hindrance to his cause,(as if he needed any more that is), than a weapon for him.

[michael21]

Joey go back a page
his Wife is a new weapon for Clegg

in may 2015 big vote

your team will lose :dance::dance::dance::dance:

[arista]

Oh crumbs, I was unfortunately listening her yesterday, he is bad enough, I hope he heads off to the EU again after the 2015 election and takes her with him.

I am not normally one to get at Politicians wives,however once they stick their nose into things then they become fair game.

Like the other one too, Samcam.
I wonder if she sets out to help with a homeless charity for the cameras in the election campaign as she was filmed helping at a charity last time.
As to the homeless, her Husband has certainly created plenty more opportunites for filming and photos for her.

As for Mrs. Clegg, I would see her more as a hindrance to his cause,(as if he needed any more that is), than a weapon for him.


Yes she wears the Trousers
he is her pussy

[joeysteele]

Is it just me or have these conferences been really lack lustre this year,this one is chronic from the Lib Dems,no atmosphere at all.
However overall the other 2 were not much better,I could almost believe that no one really wants to win the 2015 election.

My Dad tells me they used to be laughable as well as entertaining before, with the Labour party's conference full of massive drama and arguing,the Conservative one too where he says, Margaret Thatcher got a standing ovation before she even said a word.

What has then happened to make these non events,when they should in fact be a unique opportunity to really connect with voters.

[Kizzy]

They sold out... they sold their ideology and ethics out, and they sold the country out. I'm so ashamed I voted for them never ever again.

[arista]

Clegg is live Now

To Cocky
To Rude

and waving his arms like a monkey

[Northern Monkey]

I actually thought Clegg started off very well.I soon got bored though and my brain lost connection to my ears.The Lib Dems imo have done the worst possible thing that they could possibly have done,They alienated the young future voters who just as i grew up to hate the Tories after Thatchers reign of terror,The young voters now will grow up calling the Lib Dems things like 'untrustworthy bastards' and 'sellouts' and 'Tory lapdogs' etc.They screwed themselves with false promises in 2010 and the young voters of today won't forget that.

[arista]

I actually thought Clegg started off very well.I soon got bored though and my brain lost connection to my ears.The Lib Dems imo have done the worst possible thing that they could possibly have done,They alienated the young future voters who just as i grew up to hate the Tories after Thatchers reign of terror,The young voters now will grow up calling the Lib Dems things like 'untrustworthy bastards' and 'sellouts' and 'Tory lapdogs' etc.They screwed themselves with false promises in 2010 and the young voters of today won't forget that.


Yes I put subtitles on
and then Music. (Funk Track Remix - title : No Way)


At times he was like Hitler

[arista]

http://images.45cat.com/bobbi-humphrey-no-way-club.jpg
The Music I had on via 5.1 sound
From a Special CD

[joeysteele]

Nothing there that impressed me at all, mainly because I guess I have no respect for the man or believe a word he says anyway now.

[arista]

Nothing there that impressed me at all, mainly because I guess I have no respect for the man or believe a word he says anyway now.


He waved his arms like Hitler




I stopped the sound
put subtitles on

Then Funk music in 5.1 sound

[joeysteele]

He waved his arms like Hitler




I stopped the sound
put subtitles on

Then Funk music in 5.1 sound

he did come across really bad I thought and as you say the waving of his arms around,it all looked really desperate.

[Kizzy]

It's all bluster, he doesn't care anymore he knows he's gone... it was all for show.
He is now a very rich man, that was the aim it seems.

[joeysteele]

It's all bluster, he doesn't care anymore he knows he's gone... it was all for show.
He is now a very rich man, that was the aim it seems.

I got even more mad at him when he said, don't just judge us on the one policy we couldn't deliver but on all the others we did.

I will certainly be doing that,the raising of VAT to 20% and the extension of VAT to hot food.
The bedroom tax and all the extreme policies that they supported as to hitting the most vulnerable with the heartless welfare/benefit reforms.

People waiting ages just to get a claim sorted.

The supporting of the re-organisation of the NHS, not in either the Conservative or Lib Dem manifesto.

Then some of the self centred ones, the legislation to ensure the PM could not call an election at a time of his /her choosing and that this Parliament had to run a whole 5 years,ensuring they were in Gov. for at least that time.
The dumping of Lords reform and particularly the recall of MPs too,of course they would dump that,most Lib Dem MPs would have had a sticky time with their constituents on the latter.

They are just some of the many things I am judging them on and mostl of them are pretty unsavoury to me.
Hardly anything to crow about at all, in my opinion.

[Kizzy]

Yep the selling off of royal mail, politicising the police force, freezing of public sector pay, 11%wage rises for MPs, ensuring the public subsidise the building of EDFs nuclear plant, bailing the bankers, making sure they had 5 whole years to dismantle the country... What of any merit did he do?... I can't think of one positive can you Joey?

[joeysteele]

Yep the selling off of royal mail, politicising the police force, freezing of public sector pay, 11%wage rises for MPs, ensuring the public subsidise the building of EDFs nuclear plant, bailing the bankers, making sure they had 5 whole years to dismantle the country... What of any merit did he do?... I can't think of one positive can you Joey?

Nothing really, raising the tax threshold possibly but with the inflation we had for the first 3 years of this Govt, that resulted in virtually no benefit at all in the end,it only allowed a little bit of catch up.

Of course the price of that and the other thing they supported at the same time almost was the reducing of the hgher tax level for those with the greater income.
So to answer your question Kizzy, no I cannot think of a single thing.

In fact to list all the things I feel they were wrong to support would go on for ages, as your own listed things show too.