[arista]

On the Parliament Ch now.


Amazing they are talking about hookers
but keep calling them Sex Workers?


They are demanding rights etc.

[Firewire]

Originally Posted by arista

On the Parliament Ch now.


Amazing they are talking about hookers
but keep calling them Sex Workers?


They are demanding rights etc.

Sex workers is the correct term for them, "hooker" is a slur

[arista]

Originally Posted by Firewire

Sex workers is the correct term for them, "hooker" is a slur

well I must Slur alot

[joeysteele]

I have contacted friends and family today who I know voted Lib Dem in 2010 and have yet to find one of them even watching the Lib Dem conference.

I have watched it and am infuriated at them saying they can be the party to curb the extremes of left and right as long as neither Conservatives or Labour get an overall majority.

That from a party that has allowed legislation and supported same too, of some of the most extreme right wing heartless policies ever over this last 4+ years.
What a bunch of hypocrites.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I have contacted friends and family today who I know voted Lib Dem in 2010 and have yet to find one of them even watching the Lib Dem conference.

I have watched it and am infuriated at them saying they can be the party to curb the extremes of left and right as long as neither Conservatives or Labour get an overall majority.

That from a party that has allowed legislation and supported same too, of some of the most extreme right wing heartless policies ever over this last 4+ years.
What a bunch of hypocrites.

I agree, they had so much respect in 2010 as the party to bring a cool head to the coalition...... what the heck happened? I don't know! The guy didn't just sell out his parties ethos and ideology, he made it nigh on impossible for anyone to consider them as anything other than a joke party forevermore :/

[JoshBB]

If they hadn't formed a Lib/Con coalition, I would have actually considered voting for them in 2020 (when I'm old enough), however now absolutely not. They aren't trustworthy imo. Greens all the way!

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I agree, they had so much respect in 2010 as the party to bring a cool head to the coalition...... what the heck happened? I don't know! The guy didn't just sell out his parties ethos and ideology, he made it nigh on impossible for anyone to consider them as anything other than a joke party forevermore :/

That is why I voted for them Kizzy, their candidates and party workers near harrassed students for their votes.

From all they promised and said, I voted for them because I thought if they went into coalition with the Conservatives,that they would reduce the severity of the cuts,ensure the NHS was safe,not allow the doubling of tuition fees and protect the vulnerable.

Equally, I voted for them too because I believed were they to form a coalition with Labour,that they would ensure less or no more borrowing,that Labour would strive to halve the deficit in 4 years.
To hold Labour to their health and Social care plans as to the NHS and ensure Labour,with them, worked to protect the recovery that was in place at the 2010 election and to nurture the growth further that was in place.

Never in a million years would I have believed they could have supported so many extreme heartless policies in return for a miserable few Cabinet positions and a time of 5 years of shared power,as they have these in this Parliament.

[MTVN]

Tough for the Lib Dems holding their conference last when Labour and the Tories have nicked two of their core policies; the mansion tax and the increasing the tax free threshold to Ł12,500

It's not a popular opinion but I have a lot of sympathy and time for the Lib Dems, I feel they did what they needed to do and what was in the public interest in forming a coalition and that they've fought tooth and nail to uphold their values and water down Tory policies as much as they feasibly can as the minority partner

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Tough for the Lib Dems holding their conference last when Labour and the Tories have nicked two of their core policies; the mansion tax and the increasing the tax free threshold to Ł12,500

It's not a popular opinion but I have a lot of sympathy and time for the Lib Dems, I feel they did what they needed to do and what was in the public interest in forming a coalition and that they've fought tooth and nail to uphold their values and water down Tory policies as much as they feasibly can as the minority partner

I take the opposite view, as all I see is that they threw out just about all their principles and values to get a shared time in Govt.
In truth, they should have been the stronger element in this coalition, the reality for the minority Conservative party was that without the Lib Dems they could get nothing passed at all really.

So where did the NHS reforms come from, neither party in the coalition had them in their manifesto, yet they got supported by the Lib Dems.
The severity of the policies against the most vulnerable, where did the support for those come from the Lib Dems.
In 2010 the Lib Dems were more to the left of politics than Labour,yet they could support such measures.

There are really only 3 things the Lib Dems can take any credit for, that was the AV referendum,they never even pushed for a full PR referendum or discussion.
That was lost.
The 2nd thing was the legislation to ensure the Govt stayed in power for the full 5 years, that was only in their own interest too.

The final thing was the increasing of the tax threshold,which really the Conservatives would have likely done but would have also done for the top end of paying tax too again.
All they have done is allow something like 70% of the Conservative manifesto and further extreme policies get through Parliament.

The problem for the Lib Dems now are, that voters haven't a clue what their values or principles are anymore,what they thought they stood for,no matter the policy, they have seen them thow out completely for a time in Govt.
So why should they be believed again.

The media could simply replay the whole 2010 election campaign as to the Lib Dems, saying this what they said needed to be done and then look at what they supported.

It would be massively enlightening and and also a massive condemnation of the principles of the Lib Dems under Nick Clegg's leadership and it is why, no matter whatever else happens in 2015, they will be heavily hit by the voters who did put their trust in them and who have had to wait a full 5 years to get their votes back to now use against them.
That's my take on the Lib Dems now anyway and I was one who did trust them, never ever again.

[joeysteele]

This morning they are moaning about the benefit system being too complex and people being sanctioned as to benefits along with homelessness yet they have supported in full all of Ian Duncan Smith's rotten policies.
The Lib Dems bring a whole new meaning to the word hypocrisy.

I dare predict,if there is a hung parliament and they could only put the Conservatives into Govt. again, that then for some more crumbs as to policy, they would turn their backs again on the most vulnerable people of the UK for another 5 years of shared power incuding the benefits freeze they are moaning against this morning.

[Kizzy]

they aided the watering down of policies? I'd hate to see what kind of 'big society' we'd have now if they hadn't.. I assume they successfully blocked the under 9s chimney sweeping apprenticeships and the knotting and unknotting of rope for the unemployed?

[joeysteele]

[QUOTE=Kizzy;7307972]they aided the watering down of policies? I'd hate to see what kind of 'big society' we'd have now if they hadn't.. I assume they successfully blocked the under 9s chimney sweeping apprenticeships and the knotting and unknotting of rope for the unemployed?[/QUOTE]

Nice one,however Kizzy you should maybe try to refrain from giving the Conservatives some new ideas.

[LeatherTrumpet]

I forgot we had a party called the lib-dems

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I forgot we had a party called the lib-dems

Oh gosh, I love that one too, I don't think you are alone there either.

[arista]

The LibDems
can never be in total control.


So the Cocky buggers keep saying (on Radio 5. SkyNewsHD , BBC)
they will be with Conservative or Labour.



How the Fecking Hell do they know the amounts of votes

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

The LibDems
can never be in total control.


So the Cocky buggers keep saying
they will be with Conservative or Labour.



Hey the Fecking Hell do they know the amounts of votes

So in effect, anything they actually say as to their own possible whatever policies? is in fact meaningless.

Well said arista.

[arista]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

So in effect, anything they actually say as to their own possible whatever policies? is in fact meaningless.

Well said arista.

Yes they know that in secret
the buggers

[Kizzy]

Oh it's no secret now, it's screamingly obvious that Clegg, Cable and others are more than happy creaming off whatever floats their way after the tories have churned up as much of the countries assets as they could.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Oh it's no secret now, it's screamingly obvious that Clegg, Cable and others are more than happy creaming off whatever floats their way after the tories have churned up as much of the countries assets as they could.

Yes Clegg is fighting
and Bloody Rude


I like him Attacking Labour though

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

they aided the watering down of policies? I'd hate to see what kind of 'big society' we'd have now if they hadn't.. I assume they successfully blocked the under 9s chimney sweeping apprenticeships and the knotting and unknotting of rope for the unemployed?

Well maybe they saved the little urchins, but I'm pretty sure the rope knotting actually got through with a couple of adjustments.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes Clegg is fighting
and Bloody Rude


I like him Attacking Labour though

What you have to ask yourself is 'why'... and in many ways their policies were closer to labour than the conservatives, forcing the question why are they now seen as hand in glove with them?

It's for the influence and the money; Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

What you have to ask yourself is 'why'... and in many ways their policies were closer to labour than the conservatives, forcing the question why are they now seen as hand in glove with them?

It's for the influence and the money; Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely.

But they have all swapped ideas.


If no Party Wins Outright
Whoever is the Highest
Like if its Conservative
they join lil' LibDems for another 5 Year run.



But no one is calling this Election
so much can change in a few months

"events"

[arista]

On Marr (on BBC1 9:15AM today)
why the Fecking Hell did he not tell Clegg
to stop and let him speak.

Middle Ground?

Shut the Feck Up Clegg

[joeysteele]

Watching it this morning it looked like even there they were almost talking to a near empty hall really.
All I am hearing from most of those I communicate with off here is that they just don't believe anything any of them say now.

[arista]

Clegg is now pushing his Spanish Wife out
she was on SkyNewsHD this morning,


http://news.sky.com/story/1348497/de...-what-men-have


Clever Lady
but the real truth
will come out when she leaves him.