Let Muslim primary school teachers wear full-face veil

[Crimson Dynamo]

Former Archbishop of Canterbury says ‘panic’ about the niqab is 'largely misplaced' even if young children cannot see their teacher’s face

http://reddresstheology.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/08_07_23_rowan_williams.jpg


There is no need to “panic” about Muslim primary school teachers wearing the full-face veil in class, the former Archbishop of Canterbury, Lord Williams, has insisted.

He said concerns that young children would struggle to learn from a woman whose face was covered were “largely misplaced” and that there are other ways to "read” what people are saying.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/11221033/Let-Muslim-primary-school-teachers-wear-full-face-veil-in-class-Rowan-Williams.html


what do you think?

[Niamh.]

I don't know how comfortable I'd be with leaving my children with someone who I wouldn't even recognise if I passed them in the street

[kirklancaster]

If that scary photo of him is anything to go by - he should be wearing a niqab, and if that is the kind of crap which comes out of his mouth, he should be wearing a gag.

Out of touch and totally irrelevant.

[Tom4784]

It's just not practical for a teacher to wear a veil as it will impede their ability to teach and I reckon most Muslim teachers probably wouldn't want to try to keep a class of rowdy kids under control whilst their vision is obscured by a veil anyway.

[arista]

It's just not practical for a teacher to wear a veil as it will impede their ability to teach and I reckon most Muslim teachers probably wouldn't want to try to keep a class of rowdy kids under control whilst their vision is obscured by a veil anyway.


Yes the kids could throw things at her
as she turns to the Front

[Kyle]

What is the actual purpose of the niqab and burka?

[Nedusa]

I don't agree with this at all

Also I see this turning into another anti-Muslim thread




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[Crimson Dynamo]

What is the actual purpose of the niqab and burka?

It stops non muslim men wanting to have sex with them or some such nonsesne

[Cherie]

What is the actual purpose of the niqab and burka?

The covering of the face is to prevent other men looking at the woman.

I can't say I agree with this, children need stimulating lessons especially children who are struggling with speech and language or reading and being able to see facial expression is important to child development so I can't really see his point here.

[Marsh.]

Yes the kids could throw things at her
as she turns to the Front

:joker:

[Kyle]

It stops non muslim men wanting to have sex with them or some such nonsesne

The covering of the face is to prevent other men looking at the woman.


Is that the reason? Are women actually ok with that? :shrug:

[Livia]

I don't think comments like this from an out-of-touch, slighly cracked-pot like Lord Williams are helpful at all. I think his comment is more likely to have the opposite effect to the one he was going for.

[Kizzy]

Far from being out of touch I feel his comments are progressive it would be a crackpot idea to suggest that her niqab impaired her teaching.
That said a sixth form student was recently banned for wearing a niqab, so it's unusual there is an argument for them for teachers and the opposite for students.

[Livia]

It's strange that, considering his position, this man didn't stand up for the woman who was sacked for wearing a crucifix, stating that it was just "jewellery" and not an article of faith. And yet he's calling for Muslim women to be able to cover their face in a classroom full of children.

[Crimson Dynamo]

His eyebrows?

the twisted vanity of the man

[lily.]

Yes the kids could throw things at her
as she turns to the Front

lol... only you, arista... only you.

[Cherie]

Is that the reason? Are women actually ok with that? :shrug:

Apparently so, got to say it would save alot of pennies on make up :hehe:

Far from being out of touch I feel his comments are progressive it would be a crackpot idea to suggest that her niqab impaired her teaching.
That said a sixth form student was recently banned for wearing a niqab, so it's unusual there is an argument for them for teachers and the opposite for students.

It would impair her though Kiz, as children with language difficulties need to have words modelled for them to copy and children with reading delays need to be engaged, it wouldn't help much during drama lessons either :laugh:

[Niamh.]

Apparently so, got to say it would save alot of pennies on make up :hehe:



It would impair her though Kiz, as children with language difficulties need to have words modelled for them to copy and children with reading delays need to be engaged, it wouldn't help much during drama lessons either :laugh:

also, I really wouldn't be happy with not knowing what the person I'm leaving my children with all day looks like :shrug:

[Cherie]

also, I really wouldn't be happy with not knowing what the person I'm leaving my children with all day looks like :shrug:

Good point, I think there was an issue with the students wearing it that they could be anyone, the same could be said for the teacher, PC going mad yet again.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I would be amazed that any school would even consider hiring a teacher who would look like that

are they mad?

[Crimson Dynamo]

http://www.blazingcatfur.ca/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/Niqab-group-of-women.jpg


Parents night

[Kizzy]

It's strange that, considering his position, this man didn't stand up for the woman who was sacked for wearing a crucifix, stating that it was just "jewellery" and not an article of faith. And yet he's calling for Muslim women to be able to cover their face in a classroom full of children.

Is there a link to that comment? I can't find one.


Thinking about it cherie as it's a primary school you're right, it most likely would make a difference in the lower years I agree.

[JoshBB]

tbh I have some teachers at my school who are muslim and they don't feel the need to wear one.. I think a hijab is fine however a burkha is questionable.

[Kyle]

tbh I have some teachers at my school who are muslim and they don't feel the need to wear one.. I think a hijab is fine however a burkha is questionable.

Yep, hijab or dupatta no problem, the face is still visible.

[Kyle]

http://www.blazingcatfur.ca/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/Niqab-group-of-women.jpg


Parents night

Why bother having your photo taken there? Imagine telling your kids years later that was you when you were younger :laugh:

'Which one were you mummy?'

'Ah sh*t can't remember'

[Cherie]

tbh I have some teachers at my school who are muslim and they don't feel the need to wear one.. I think a hijab is fine however a burkha is questionable.

I know alot of teachers who wear a hijab, no problem with it at all.

[lily.]

I don't think a hijab makes any difference, but a bhurka is something else entirely..

[Ninastar]

im about as tolerant as can be when it comes to religion... but this would be a very bad idea.

Children need to know and trust the faces of teachers. You need to be able to tell a child off, you need to be able to praise them, and christ, you need to be able to bloody smile at them. I know that your eyes can show emotion, but seriously, you need everything else when teaching too...

[lily.]

The world has gone a bit mad with all this 'religious rights' nonsense.

[kirklancaster]

It's strange that, considering his position, this man didn't stand up for the woman who was sacked for wearing a crucifix, stating that it was just "jewellery" and not an article of faith. And yet he's calling for Muslim women to be able to cover their face in a classroom full of children.

:clap1::clap1::clap1:

[kirklancaster]

im about as tolerant as can be when it comes to religion... but this would be a very bad idea.

Children need to know and trust the faces of teachers. You need to be able to tell a child off, you need to be able to praise them, and christ, you need to be able to bloody smile at them. I know that your eyes can show emotion, but seriously, you need everything else when teaching too...

:clap1::clap1::clap1:

[Ninastar]

The world has gone a bit mad with all this 'religious rights' nonsense.

i dont think its just 'religious rights' though... i totally get what you mean, but its all kind of 'rights' that are nonsense IMO

people use it as an excuse. and i think at the end of the day (or century, w.e) it will do us more damage than good.

we spoke about this at work today. a lot of them had seen a certain religion protesting outside a mcdonalds for having a say about a recent 'confrontation' in another country. We were saying how its funny how it's okay to hate on one thing, yet they wont hate on other companies (because then need them... EG, telephone companies etc)

People often choose on what to hate and what to be 'offended' by.

i think a lot of that comes into what you've just said. People are taking things way to far these days.

/sorryfordarant

/alsosorryifthismakesnosense

[arista]

lol... only you, arista... only you.


there is always a positive



Life In The Fast Lane

[Northern Monkey]

Aslong as they don't let them wear it at the Royal Mail sorting office,Imagine the letters that would go missing.....
Seriously though,I wanna atleast know what my kids teacher looks like.

[Nedusa]

http://www.blazingcatfur.ca/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/Niqab-group-of-women.jpg


Parents night

This picture would be funny if it wasn't so extremely sad:sad:

[sassysocks]

Former Archbishop of Canterbury says ‘panic’ about the niqab is 'largely misplaced' even if young children cannot see their teacher’s face

http://reddresstheology.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/08_07_23_rowan_williams.jpg


There is no need to “panic” about Muslim primary school teachers wearing the full-face veil in class, the former Archbishop of Canterbury, Lord Williams, has insisted.

He said concerns that young children would struggle to learn from a woman whose face was covered were “largely misplaced” and that there are other ways to "read” what people are saying.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/11221033/Let-Muslim-primary-school-teachers-wear-full-face-veil-in-class-Rowan-Williams.html


what do you think?

I think he is publicity seeking.

Under no circumstances should this ever be allowed. Our young children are our future and should not be subjected to being taught by women wearing the equivalent of a rather scarey halloween costume that can only serve to inhibit identity and effective communication between teacher and young children which is essential for young children to learn.

Communication and the ability to communicate effectively is included in most job adverts today as it is so relevant in today's world, and approximately 70%of communication comes from facial expressions and body language. The whole stupid idea flies in the face of common sense and the skills required to teach vulnerable young children who should not be used to further an agenda.

Also what message does it give to them that women should cover their faces to keep their insecure and controlling husbands happy.

It it ludicuous that our society should pander to the nonsence believed by these 'men' who think their women are either so gorgeous, or as their property, should not be seen by other men who might lust after them or worse - maybe they shouldn't judge all men by their own primitive standards.

[lostalex]

no.

[Kazanne]

It's wrong imo,I wouldn't want my kids taught by a faceless person,they would see no emotion from their teacher and sorry it doesn't belong here.

[lostalex]

it would be kinda cool if my teacher looked like a Mortal Kombat character...

EAwWPadFsOA

[kirklancaster]

I think he is publicity seeking.

Under no circumstances should this ever be allowed. Our young children are our future and should not be subjected to being taught by women wearing the equivalent of a rather scarey halloween costume that can only serve to inhibit identity and effective communication between teacher and young children which is essential for young children to learn.

Communication and the ability to communicate effectively is included in most job adverts today as it is so relevant in today's world, and approximately 70%of communication comes from facial expressions and body language. The whole stupid idea flies in the face of common sense and the skills required to teach vulnerable young children who should not be used to further an agenda.

Also what message does it give to them that women should cover their faces to keep their insecure and controlling husbands happy.

It it ludicuous that our society should pander to the nonsence believed by these 'men' who think their women are either so gorgeous, or as their property, should not be seen by other men who might lust after them or worse - maybe they shouldn't judge all men by their own primitive standards.

:clap1::clap1::clap1: A cracking post.

[kirklancaster]

Never mind just in schools, why should anyone be allowed to wear any kind of face-concealing outfit in these very turbulent and dangerous times?

I'll repeat my little WaterHog inspired ode - 'Ban Them'

Ban Them

Ain't no hard task when a man wears a mask
Ban them.
Ski-Masks on workers, women in burquas,
Ban them.
Should never be no head concealed
Make it law all heads be revealed.
In banks and shops there's great palava
If anyone enters in balaclava
But nothing said at certain races
With hijabs covering up their faces
Ban them.
Life will always be much better
Without idiots in masks from V for vendetta
Save a life of future sorrow
By outlawing nutters in half-masks like Zorro
Ban them.
Or I predict a rather bleak vista
Ban them
Or in the words of Arista --
"Just fecking ban them."

I am now busy composing one about banning out-of-touch, attention seeking, senile old Church personages from opening their mouths.

[Nedusa]

No fcuk em..... Wear normal fcuking clothes like every other teacher.

Stop pandering to these fcuking hate filled evil bastards...

[Kazanne]

No fcuk em..... Wear normal fcuking clothes like every other teacher.

Stop pandering to these fcuking hate filled evil bastards...

:clap1::clap1::clap1:

[Crimson Dynamo]

No fcuk em..... Wear normal fcuking clothes like every other teacher.

Stop pandering to these fcuking hate filled evil bastards...

To be fair my Geography teacher used to wear a bowtie and had elbow patches

so i would have preferred him to wear the full letterbox

[kirklancaster]

No fcuk em..... Wear normal fcuking clothes like every other teacher.

Stop pandering to these fcuking hate filled evil bastards...

:clap1::clap1::clap1: I'm beginning to love you Nedusa :blush::hehe:

[kirklancaster]

:clap1::clap1::clap1:

I already love you Kaz. :joker: