Is it time to bring back Foxhunting?

[Crimson Dynamo]

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David Cameron has started a search for MPs who will help him reintroduce fox-hunting “by the back door”.

He and the environment secretary, Owen Paterson, want to use a parliamentary device known as a statutory instrument to amend the Hunting Act, and have provisionally booked parliamentary time on March 26 to debate the idea. They are now canvassing support among MPs of all parties.

The aim would be to lift the ban on hunting with any more than two dogs in England and Wales, which means using packs of up to 40 hounds would again become legal, although dogs would still not be allowed to kill foxes — death would have to be through shooting.

http://labourlist.org/2014/03/is-david-cameron-trying-to-bring-back-fox-hunting/


Is it time to bring back this tradition to the UK that helps farmers up and down the country and boosts tourism?

[Firewire]

No, it's unnecessary (in my opinion, of course)

[LukeB]

No thank you!

[MB.]

I'm pretty sure there are many more productive ways of boosting tourism which happen not to involve death

[GiRTh]

Never.

The party of the Working class eh?

[Amy Jade]

No. I hope Cameron is kicked out asap

[Kazanne]

No NEVER,there is no need for such barbarity,unless of course we are going backwards.

[Crimson Dynamo]

The Conservatives aim to bring it back when they win the election this year

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/general-election-2015/11307715/Tories-to-legalise-fox-hunting-if-they-win-2015-general-election.html

This will be welcomed by farmers and livestock owners

[Shaun]

wouldn't really mind it tbh, foxes are evil little bastards :idc:

although yes the whole upper-class "rah rah rah" sport about it all is rather pointless. just cull them :idc:

[arista]

wouldn't really mind it tbh, foxes are evil little bastards :idc:


Yes they are Tough

[joeysteele]

Not at all, I cannot believe the Conservative party under David Cameron are even looking at trying to make this legal again.

Where I was born,I once saw a hunt when I was just a child, and saw the totally exhausted fox ripped to pieces still alive, with these horrible well fed so called pompous male adults laughing, joking and celebrating.

I was physically sick and have hated the idea of foxhunting ever since,never mind it being legal.


What a horrible policy to want to bring into force,awful thing for awful people with really sick and awful minds.

[armand.kay]

I'm someone who doesn't really care for animal but even I think it is a disgusting "sport". Says allot about Cameron if this is true.

[T*]

Yes Please, Foxes are ****ing bastards

[LukeB]

Yes Please, Foxes are ****ing bastards

:umm2:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Not at all, I cannot believe the Conservative party under David Cameron are even looking at trying to make this legal again.

Where I was born,I once saw a hunt when I was juyst a child, and saw the totally exhausted fox ripped to pieces still alive, with these horrible well fed so called pompous male adults laughing, joking and celebrating.

I was physically sick and have hated the idea of foxhunting ever since,never mind it being legal.


What a horrible policy to want to bring into force,awful thing for awful people with really sick and awful minds.

have you ever seen a fox loose in a henhouse?

I have and its not pretty - foxes are not Disney characters

and no need for insults to people who do not share you views

[T*]

wouldn't really mind it tbh, foxes are evil little bastards :idc:

yup
a lot of my birds (we have chickens and geese) have been murdered by them just for fun- not even to use them for food. if they used them for food i wouldnt mind as much but its not a nice sight to see one of the cute birds you see every day with the neck ripped off and left there to rot. It's sad too- It sounds bizarre but every bird had a personality and is usually very friendly, and then they're just murdered.
i hate it
recently it happened to one of our geese we raised up from a baby, and that happened on christmas eve. when I posted it on here a certain somebody was like 'i'm sorry for your loss but foxes are cute little baba wild doggies- they don't know what they're doing!' which was honestly an extremely stupid thing for them to say.

[T*]

:umm2:

You don't know my experiences.

[Liam-]

yup
a lot of my birds (we have chickens and geese) have been murdered by them just for fun- not even to use them for food. if they used them for food i wouldnt mind as much but its not a nice sight to see one of the cute birds you see every day with the neck ripped off and left there to rot. It's sad too- It sounds bizarre but every bird had a personality and is usually very friendly, and then they're just murdered.
i hate it
recently it happened to one of our geese we raised up from a baby, and that happened on christmas eve. when I posted it on here a certain somebody was like 'i'm sorry for your loss but foxes are cute little baba wild doggies- they don't know what they're doing!' which was honestly an extremely stupid thing for them to say.

That's the circle of life, they don't know any different :umm2:

[T*]

That's the circle of life, they don't know any different :umm2:

So you're saying humans that murder other things for fun is just 'the circle of life'? 'Cause that's what foxes are doing.

[T*]

I don't agree with killing foxes for sport however.
I think the foxes that have been found murdering things etc. should be killed. Not just any random one for fun.

[Liam-]

So you're saying humans that murder other things for fun is just 'the circle of life'? 'Cause that's what foxes are doing.

There's a huge difference between human murderers and animals who hunt things..

I mean, it's sad that you lost your birds, but that's what foxes do, they hunt wild things, that's what they're taught to do from birth, human murderers aren't raised to kill people, so comparing to two instances is a completely redundant argument

[T*]

There's a huge difference between human murderers and animals who hunt things..

I mean, it's sad that you lost your birds, but that's what foxes do, they hunt wild things, that's what they're taught to do from birth, human murderers aren't raised to kill people, so comparing to two instances is a completely redundant argument

They don't just eat them though- They're doing it for fun and entertainment and just leaving them behind. It's not really hunting if it's not going to be used.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Humans have been killing foxes for thousands of years - at least with the Hunt they get a sporting chance rather than a marksman with a rifle

[Kazanne]

have you ever seen a fox loose in a henhouse?

I have and its not pretty - foxes are not Disney characters

and no need for insults to people who do not share you views

I'm sorry LT,but I agree with Joey,if farmers want to keep their livestock safe,they should shell out more money to build them decent hen-houses etc,not the knocked together homemade shacks most have to live in,but lets be honest some sub humans just love to see something suffer for their entertainment,Go to Spain and China now THAT would open peoples eyes,and those tossers who have to don a red coat to get an even bigger thrill are scum.

[Liam-]

They don't just eat them though- They're doing it for fun and entertainment and just leaving them behind. It's not really hunting if it's not going to be used.

It is still hunting, just because they don't eat them doesn't mean it's not hunting.

Foxes, nor any animal, should be punished and killed for doing something that is natural to them, foxes hunt, they kill things, so do many other animals in the wild, should we kill every animal who does that?

[T*]

I'm sorry LT,but I agree with Joey,if farmers want to keep their livestock safe,they should shell out more money to build them decent hen-houses etc,not the knocked together homemade shacks most have to live in,but lets be honest some sub humans just love to see something suffer for their entertainment,Go to Spain and China now THAT would open peoples eyes,and those tossers who have to don a red coat to get an even bigger thrill are scum.

We did- They have security fences and henhouses to stay in, but they literally work as hard as they can to just break in.

[Kazanne]

So you're saying humans that murder other things for fun is just 'the circle of life'? 'Cause that's what foxes are doing.

It's all about understanding , humans are supposed to understand it's wrong to do certain things,you cant sit and animal down and explain why it's wrong,it's there instinct ,the most dangerous animal on earth is man.

[Crimson Dynamo]

It is still hunting, just because they don't eat them doesn't mean it's not hunting.

Foxes, nor any animal, should be punished and killed for doing something that is natural to them, foxes hunt, they kill things, so do many other animals in the wild, should we kill every animal who does that?

Do you know how many foxes died 20 years ago through hunts and how many were killed by farmers with guns or were killed by car?

[LukeB]

You don't know my experiences.

I don't care no animal/living thing deserves to die.
You only hate foxes because they killed your chicken or something.

Cats eats other animals? you saying Cats should be hunted?

It's nature.

[Cal.]

Foxes are clever and have been known to knock latches off of doors/get through padlocked doors.

[Crimson Dynamo]

It's all about understanding , humans are supposed to understand it's wrong to do certain things,you cant sit and animal down and explain why it's wrong,it's there instinct ,the most dangerous animal on earth is man.

We kill millions of animals each week to eat, for profit.

[Kazanne]

We did- They have security fences and henhouses to stay in, but they literally work as hard as they can to just break in.

Well that's a shame,we have a farmer here who's is half brick,he never has a fox problem and we are in the heart of the country.

[T*]

Foxes are clever and have been known to knock latches off of doors/get through padlocked doors.

This :worship: - It's just like someone breaking into a house and murdering a family for fun.

[Kazanne]

We kill millions of animals each week to eat, for profit.

I know LT,but I don't eat them:blush:

[Liam-]

This :worship: - It's just like someone breaking into a house and murdering a family for fun.

It's nothing like that :joker:

[Livia]

Fox hunting should never be reintroduced. What next? Dog-fighting? Bear-baiting? And as far as helping farmers and the tourist industry, this is just bullsh1t. If you have to control foxes they should be killed with a gun, by a marksman. If fox hunting is reintroduced, and in reality, I don't think it will be... but if on the off-chance it is, there should be a nationwide campaign to boycott British produce. Let's see how long it is until farmers remember who their customers are.

[T*]

It's nothing like that :joker:

But it is though- They break into secure places where livestock live in and then murder them. They don't just walk past and go 'meh'. They force themselves in as if their lives depend on it just to murder them for fun.

[LukeB]

This :worship: - It's just like someone breaking into a house and murdering a family for fun.

:umm2: no

[Crimson Dynamo]

The last time I looked most Hunts never catch the fox anyway, its just an excuse for a piss up

[Firewire]

But it is though- They break into secure places where livestock live in and then murder them. They don't just walk past and go 'meh'. They force themselves in as if their lives depend on it just to murder them for fun.

They're animals, not humans

[Livia]

We kill millions of animals each week to eat, for profit.

But those animals aren't chased through the countryside until they reach a state of exhaustion and can't run anymore, and then torn to pieces by a pack of dogs while a bunch of chinless wonders look on.

[Livia]

The last time I looked most Hunts never catch the fox anyway, its just an excuse for a piss up

If that's true (and it isn't) then they should stick to drag-hunting.

[LukeB]

They're animals, not humans

this

[Liam-]

But it is though- They break into secure places where livestock live in and then murder them. They don't just walk past and go 'meh'. They force themselves in as if their lives depend on it just to murder them for fun.

Because they don't know it's wrong to be doing so, it's what they know, it's how they go by their everyday life, it's what their natutral instinct tells them to do

Real murderers know what their doing is wrong and that they shouldn't be doing it because they're human and know it's not normal, foxes and any wild animal don't know the difference.

You make it sound like they do it to entertain themselves as a back up plan when someone won't throw a ball for them.

Cats should all be murdered too because they kill birds, frogs, mice/rats as well then going by your theory

[Crimson Dynamo]

If that's true (and it isn't) then they should stick to drag-hunting.

:nono:

Drag queens cannot run fast in heels


but i agree they should be hunted

[Crimson Dynamo]

Foxes are considered vermin by the law of England and Wales

[T*]

But those animals aren't chased through the countryside until they reach a state of exhaustion and can't run anymore, and then torn to pieces

just like they do to their prey?

[T*]

Foxes are considered vermin by the law of England and Wales

they are vermin

[Kazanne]

But it is though- They break into secure places where livestock live in and then murder them. They don't just walk past and go 'meh'. They force themselves in as if their lives depend on it just to murder them for fun.

Tom are you being serious? Do you really think an animal decides to 'break' into a house and murder the flock.:joker::joker::joker:If an animal is hungry it will eat what is available,they don't think like we do you know.

[Livia]

just like they do to their prey?

They are animals. They're not thinking, reasoning beings.

I get my eggs from a free-range farm not far from me. Know how many hens they lose to foxes? None. Do you know why? Because they've spent time and money making their coops fox-proof.

[LukeB]

Tom are you being serious? Do you really think an animal decides to 'break' into a house and murder the flock.:joker::joker::joker:If an animal is hungry it will eat what is available,they don't think like we do you know.

this!

[T*]

I'm literally not saying more on the matter after this post, They're horrid creatures and they should be got rid of. Not neccasarily in hunts like these, but they just need to go. Full stop.

[Liam-]

Foxes are considered vermin by the law of England and Wales

But they're cute as hell.

[Kazanne]

they are vermin

Humans are vermin ,when is the last time you heard of a fox brutally slaying an Elephant ,just for the tusk ? Humans are vain arrogant bastards.

[T*]

But they're cute as hell.

it doesn't matter if they're cute or not.
Anyway, i'm out of this thread.

[Livia]

Humans are vermin ,when is the last time you heard of a fox brutally slaying an Elephant ,just for the tusk ? Humans are vain arrogant bastards.

Quite. And as far as I know, a fox has never knifed someone for a phone or a couple of quid.

[LukeB]

I'm literally not saying more on the matter after this post, They're horrid creatures and they should be got rid of. Not neccasarily in hunts like these, but they just need to go. Full stop.

Why? because they kill? you have a cat give him a rat see what the cat does, would you say the same thing? or are you being bias

[Kazanne]

But they're cute as hell.

They are beautiful and should be left alone,it's like the badger cull,what good did that do?

[Liam-]

it doesn't matter if they're cute or not.
Anyway, i'm out of this thread.

It does to me :hmph:

Living beings, especially animals shouldn't be punished for doing/being something that their natural instinct tells them to be/do when it comes to how they live and sustain themselves.

[Kazanne]

Why? because they kill? you have a cat give him a rat see what the cat does, would you say the same thing? or are you being bias

:worship::clap1:

[LukeB]

They are beautiful and should be left alone,it's like the badger cull,what good did that do?

Yes, it's really hurt breaking watching animals be killed, I eat meat but I could never kill a animal. I won't have the heart to do it or watch.

[Crimson Dynamo]

cars kill more foxes than anything else, should we ban cars?

[Liam-]

They are beautiful and should be left alone,it's like the badger cull,what good did that do?

I don't know about you, but this evil murdering verminous creature terrifies me and should be murdered in cold blood!

http://i.imgur.com/bBsd9AY.gif

[Kazanne]

Yes, it's really hurt breaking watching a animals be killed, I eat meat but I could never kill a animal. I won't have the heart to do it or watch.

Same here,I could never hurt one intentionally,I cringe when I accidently tread on a snail,and I always put spiders outside if I can.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I don't know about you, but this evil murdering verminous creature terrifies me and should be murdered in cold blood!

http://i.imgur.com/bBsd9AY.gif

what like we do to lambs every year?

[Kazanne]

I don't know about you, but this evil murdering verminous creature terrifies me and should be murdered in cold blood!

http://i.imgur.com/bBsd9AY.gif

aw,he's lovely,I have a dog that looks similar,lol

[LukeB]

Same here,I could never hurt one intentionally,I cringe when I accidently tread on a snail,and I always put spiders outside if I can.

Same, I feel guilty

[Livia]

If people are pro-hunting with dogs, which is what this would be, it isn't just foxes who are hunted by toffs on horseback... what about stag hunting? Are we going to stand by and let them chase a stag till it can't stand up, or its heart bursts - which would be preferable to being torn apart I guess.

This would be a retrograde step and it will never be allowed to happen.

[T*]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2277247/Baby-Denny-bitten-head-fox-regain-feeling-finger-animal-ripped-off.html
what a delightful animal

[Livia]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2277247/Baby-Denny-bitten-head-fox-regain-feeling-finger-animal-ripped-off.html
what a delightful animal

One Daily Mail story and you're in favour of mass barbarism.

Weren't you out of this thread, Tom?

[Liam-]

what like we do to lambs every year?

Lambs are raised for people to eat, again, it's all a part of the cycle of life, lamb is delicious, so I'll eat it, but that's what it is bred and raised for.

Foxes are not bred for being murdered by a bunch of trigger happy rich people.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I would happily hunt second offending paedophiles with dogs or repeat rapists

In fact we should do that to lighten the load on our jails

[T*]

One Daily Mail story and you're in favour of mass barbarism.

Weren't you out of this thread, Tom?

i'm not saying this hunting method should be used, but they need to be gotten rid of.

[Kazanne]

what like we do to lambs every year?

LT, you probably eat lamb and it has probably suffered much more in the abattoir at the hands of humans than by a fox in a field and if you think that is wrong,fair enough ,but why is it ok to do it to a fox,both are sentient .

[MB.]

I'm literally not saying more on the matter after this post, They're horrid creatures and they should be got rid of. Not neccasarily in hunts like these, but they just need to go. Full stop.

it doesn't matter if they're cute or not.
Anyway, i'm out of this thread.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2277247/Baby-Denny-bitten-head-fox-regain-feeling-finger-animal-ripped-off.html
what a delightful animal

Strange definition of "literally"

Depends where you live, anyway. If you live in/near the countryside then you'd perhaps have reason, but I highly doubt the people who want to bring back foxhunting are going to go around town centres shooting rogue foxes in people's gardens.

[Livia]

Lambs are raised for people to eat, again, it's all a part of the cycle of life, lamb is delicious, so I'll eat it, but that's what it is bred and raised for.

Foxes are not bred for being murdered by a bunch of trigger happy rich people.

Quite right. Comparing farmed animals to wild animals is clutching at straws.

[Kazanne]

i'm not saying this hunting method should be used, but they need to be gotten rid of.

So are you also saying Tigers, Lions etc,should be got rid of too,they are all wild !!

[Crimson Dynamo]

LT, you probably eat lamb and it has probably suffered much more in the abattoir at the hands of humans than by a fox in a field and if you think that is wrong,fair enough ,but why is it ok to do it to a fox,both are sentient .

i hate the fact we eat animals but i just cant get my arse in gear over foxhunting, its so small, so random and labour banned it out of a hate of the perceived rich

i would happily execute humans on a weekly basis so i am not that bothered about the odd fox that a dog kills

[T*]

So are you also saying Tigers, Lions etc,should be got rid of too,they are all wild !!

No :facepalm: jesus ****ing christ

[Livia]

i hate the fact we eat animals but i just cant get my arse in gear over foxhunting, its so small, so random and labour banned it out of a hate of the perceived rich

i would happily execute humans on a weekly basis so i am not that bothered about the odd fox that a dog kills

Labour banned it because the majority of people think it's barbaric. And 'the majority of people' are the customers of the farmers who allow it on their land.

[Kazanne]

No :facepalm: jesus ****ing christ

Why the indignation Tom,Tigers etc,are wild and will kill a chicken and then some :laugh: animals kill on instinct foxes are no different.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Labour banned it because the majority of people think it's barbaric. And 'the majority of people' are the customers of the farmers who allow it on their land.

I dont think you are right, the Tories think its a vote winner

[Livia]

I dont think you are right, the Tories think its a vote winner

Of course I'm right.

And... no. Even the Tories couldn't be that stupid.

Well done on the thread though. You are a true Devil's Advocate.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Of course I'm right.

And... no. Even the Tories couldn't be that stupid.

Well done on the thread though. You are a true Devil's Advocate.

moi?

:shocked:

[kirklancaster]

The last time I looked most Hunts never catch the fox anyway, its just an excuse for a piss up

:joker:

[Crimson Dynamo]

:joker:

the amount of stirrup cups i have sold over the last 15 years testify for that

[kirklancaster]

It's barbaric sadism dressed up as a 'sport' by elitist dickheads. Yes, foxes are pests, but there is no need for humans to derive perverse pleasure from hunting them for 'fun'. Scientifically cull them - as someone else on here suggested - and never bring this cruelty back.

Foxhunting is, as Oscar said: "The unspeakable in pursuit of the inedible".

[kirklancaster]

the amount of stirrup cups i have sold over the last 15 years testify for that

:joker: I bet you're serious. :hehe:

[Crimson Dynamo]

:joker: I bet you're serious. :hehe:

i am

collapsible silver plated ones in a real hide case tend to got for £15

[armand.kay]

This :worship: - It's just like someone breaking into a house and murdering a family for fun.

:laugh2:

[Ninastar]

As the true fox lover of tibb... my opinion might be a little shocking

As adorable as they are and however much I want one as a pet, they are vermin... They kill farm animals and even household pets quite regularly. You just dont hear about it because they don't leave much of the animal left.

I am 100% against these people who have the 30 odd hound dogs that chase foxes and rip them up... that's just disgusting. But I'm all for farmers/hunters shooting foxes around farms or where there is a bunch of them

to those of you who thought you knew me... I AM SORRY

[Ninastar]

just read the actual article

there are people who actually think its okay to chase foxes until they die?

ugh, makes me feel sick just thinking about it.

[joeysteele]

have you ever seen a fox loose in a henhouse?

I have and its not pretty - foxes are not Disney characters

and no need for insults to people who do not share you views

Will you kindly stop lecturing me please.

I saw a hunt that distressed me as a child, I was sickened by those on horseback who were enjoying every minute of the rotten event.

Yes foxes cause damage in hen houses, I am aware of that, that is an animal killing other animals, have you seen what cats do to birds too.

I am against fox hunting and look with total contempt on those who take part in it and enjoy it.
There are other ways to kill nuisance foxes instaed of having these privileged people riding through the countryside, chasing one fox until it is totally exhausted and then seeing it ripped apart alive.

Look, you leave me be and don't respond to my posts again. I am fed up of you lecturing me and twisting what I say.
You likely insult far more people than I likely ever will with your snidey comments you make at them and since we are talking about people who hunt who are not on tibb, I can say what I like about them without any direction from you, thank you very much..

Just don't lecture me on what I should think or how I have arrived at the views I have from my childhood and adult experiences.
Just don't respond to my posts again,just get on annoying others and winding them up, I am fed up of your nonsense.

[Glenn.]

You don't know my experiences.

Said the 12yr old

[T*]

Said the 12yr old


-I'm 14
- We have had livestock since I was 8
- Goodbye

[LukeB]

My cat killed a chicken once tom, do you hate cats now?

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

I'm literally not saying more on the matter

i'm out of this thread

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2277247/Baby-Denny-bitten-head-fox-regain-feeling-finger-animal-ripped-off.html
what a delightful animal

i'm not saying this hunting method should be used, but they need to be gotten rid of.

http://media.tumblr.com/e4f2dc0189be4e0cdb9d5e040c19e062/tumblr_inline_nfwbgsgUCC1s3fn2w.gif