Sickened by both the show and some of the forum reactions

[rionablue]

In all the years of watching BB and CBB tonights show is top of the pile when it comes to an abslolutely SICKENING episode. Never have I been so disappointed in a housemate as I am with KEN the man I thought was legend in Coronation St all those years ago even though I was young when he appeared on it. I had high hopes for him and cheered when he entered the house. Now he has shown himself to be a vile, pervy old man who thinks its ok to say anything he wants to women with regard to sex etc. Telling Chloe that Jeremy was a big producer was like telling her she should have let him do what he wanted. he was commenting about the position of the pictures of the girls on the wall and saying something about 'giving head' he was on about the bathroom and watching the women and he made some comment to Cami about slut or *****. Ken SHOULD have been ejected tonight even BEFORE Jeremy. I think the reason Jeremy was ejected wasn't ENTIRELY because he groped Chloe it was because most of the OTHER housemates didn't feel comfortable with him. And I am NOT talking about Perez who went down in my estimation for trying making the whole thing about himself.

The thing that saddens me the most on reading the forum reactions to the Jeremy and Chloe situation is the amount of Chloe haters that are saying it was her own fault for going in there half naked (when some of the other girls were CLEARLY in there also) saying how she is MILKING the situation and blowing it out of proportion. In the Hazel and Daley situation much and all as I liked Hazel SHE DID FLIRT with Daley and they had been play acting before it. Chloe and the other girls felt sorry for Jeremy and went to help him. That in itself is a brave thing to do because there is nothing worse than watching someone PUKING their guts up.

When the incident happened Chloe was clearly heard saying Jeremy that is NOT ok. She then left the room in tears which I or many other women would have done. Even allowing for the fact that Jeremy was totally and utterly drunk the girl was HELPING him and not FLASHING at him. If it was KATIE who I completely dislike and think is an absolute bitch I would agree that he was wrong and she was right to be upset. Even if I don't like housemates if something like this happened to them I would see the situation WITH A HEART NOT an excuse to further put down my least favourite housemate.

Ken should be out of there straight away and if he isn't ejected SURELY there aren't people who will pick up their phones and vote to save him. Sorry my thread is so long but I am really passionate about the points I have made xx

[GiRTh]

Great post

[Locke.]

Me too. Sickened that Jeremy was removed and sickened that some people agree with the decision.

[Lstan]

agree but given some of the posts about last years bb i am only a little surprised

[jaxie]

I'm not a Chloe 'hater' and I don't think what Jeremy did was appropriate but I do think she put herself into a silly situation and has to have some responsibility for that. I think the whole thing is being bnlown far out of proportion and I am a woman. He was drunk, he did something stupid but he didnt force himself on anyone. I think we have to keep some perspective.

[MargeryFan]

I'm actually disgusted that people are actually blaming chloe. Sadly it's no surprise, given that i've been involved in many taboo debates online recently.

The majority of people seem to be too close minded or seem to want to trivialise things just to win an argument. We live in a sick sad world.

[MargeryFan]

I'm not a Chloe 'hater' and I don't think what Jeremy did was appropriate but I do think she put herself into a silly situation and has to have some responsibility for that. I think the whole thing is being bnlown far out of proportion and I am a woman. He was drunk, he did something stupid but he didnt force himself on anyone. I think we have to keep some perspective.

I'm a guy, and it's not my place to tell women what they should be offended about, but come on. I would hate for any woman to be cautious about helping me if I was in trouble, for fear that I might sexually harass her. How do we know Chloe hasn't been through similar experiences in the past where men think they have a right to put their hands on her because she was 'flirting' with them.

Did he even seem sorry about the way he made her feel? Did he apologise? Whether I thought it was over the top or not, if I had made somenoe feel that way, I would be mortified and do everything I could to make it right.

[Cherie]

I'm not a Chloe 'hater' and I don't think what Jeremy did was appropriate but I do think she put herself into a silly situation and has to have some responsibility for that. I think the whole thing is being bnlown far out of proportion and I am a woman. He was drunk, he did something stupid but he didnt force himself on anyone. I think we have to keep some perspective.

:worship:

[David R]

What I'm wondering is why it's all these jerks and players still get the majority of attention from girls on nights out. Nice guys finish last and yet all bad guys who do crazy stuff like this get girls round the block!

Jeremy is clearly got issues and is probably used to girls throwing themselves at him and took any attention as 'that' kind of attention.

[mr rochester]

In all the years of watching BB and CBB tonights show is top of the pile when it comes to an abslolutely SICKENING episode. Never have I been so disappointed in a housemate as I am with KEN the man I thought was legend in Coronation St all those years ago even though I was young when he appeared on it. I had high hopes for him and cheered when he entered the house. Now he has shown himself to be a vile, pervy old man who thinks its ok to say anything he wants to women with regard to sex etc. Telling Chloe that Jeremy was a big producer was like telling her she should have let him do what he wanted. he was commenting about the position of the pictures of the girls on the wall and saying something about 'giving head' he was on about the bathroom and watching the women and he made some comment to Cami about slut or *****. Ken SHOULD have been ejected tonight even BEFORE Jeremy. I think the reason Jeremy was ejected wasn't ENTIRELY because he groped Chloe it was because most of the OTHER housemates didn't feel comfortable with him. And I am NOT talking about Perez who went down in my estimation for trying making the whole thing about himself.

The thing that saddens me the most on reading the forum reactions to the Jeremy and Chloe situation is the amount of Chloe haters that are saying it was her own fault for going in there half naked (when some of the other girls were CLEARLY in there also) saying how she is MILKING the situation and blowing it out of proportion. In the Hazel and Daley situation much and all as I liked Hazel SHE DID FLIRT with Daley and they had been play acting before it. Chloe and the other girls felt sorry for Jeremy and went to help him. That in itself is a brave thing to do because there is nothing worse than watching someone PUKING their guts up.

When the incident happened Chloe was clearly heard saying Jeremy that is NOT ok. She then left the room in tears which I or many other women would have done. Even allowing for the fact that Jeremy was totally and utterly drunk the girl was HELPING him and not FLASHING at him. If it was KATIE who I completely dislike and think is an absolute bitch I would agree that he was wrong and she was right to be upset. Even if I don't like housemates if something like this happened to them I would see the situation WITH A HEART NOT an excuse to further put down my least favourite housemate.

Ken should be out of there straight away and if he isn't ejected SURELY there aren't people who will pick up their phones and vote to save him. Sorry my thread is so long but I am really passionate about the points I have made xx



100% agree with all of above...

[Pete.]

Completely agree OP but I fear that many will vote to save Ken for some strange reason

[jaxie]

I'm a guy, and it's not my place to tell women what they should be offended about, but come on. I would hate for any woman to be cautious about helping me if I was in trouble, for fear that I might sexually harass her. How do we know Chloe hasn't been through similar experiences in the past where men think they have a right to put their hands on her because she was 'flirting' with them.

Did he even seem sorry about the way he made her feel? Did he apologise? Whether I thought it was over the top or not, if I had made somenoe feel that way, I would be mortified and do everything I could to make it right.

We don't know about Chloe's past problems with men and we don't know Jeremy's with women either but none of that really has any bearing on what happened in the house. He was drunk, he tried to have a fumble, she told him no and left. I'm not sure that some drunk should be vilified for trying his luck. Personally I would never have put myself in the toilet with him with the door closed when was vomming. What he did was wrong but is it as bad as some are making it out? I dont know about that.

As to apologising was he given an opportunity?

[MargeryFan]

We don't know about Chloe's past problems with men and we don't know Jeremy's with women either but none of that really has any bearing on what happened in the house. He was drunk, he tried to have a fumble, she told him no and left. I'm not sure that some drunk should be vilified for trying his luck. Personally I would never have put myself in the toilet with him with the door closed when was vomming. What he did was wrong but is it as bad as some are making it out? I dont know about that.

I think your attitude is kinda part of the problem. You wouldn't put yourself in that situation, but you should be able to help a person in need without having to worry about such things, and if someone did behave inappropriately, guess what? it still wouldn't be your fault, no matter what you say.

Of course the outside world has bearing on what happens in the house. If she's had tough experiences outside the house she's going to react that way. Everyone reacts differently because everyone has had different experiences in life. What bothers me is when people criticise the victim for over-reacting but don't criticise the person in the wrong, even though they showed little, to no remorse for what they did, or how they made that person feel.

[poppsywoppsy]

I am quite a bit older than some, a female who grew up in the pre feminism era.

What gets me today is that although girls in the BB house are happy to let the world see their bits and pieces, they see quite unable to cope with or reject any advances without acting like some damsel in distress.

Is it that I learnt the hard way to tell blokes to keep their hands to themselves or else without the histrionics we saw tonight. Yes, it was in appropriate, but the man was drunk, vomiting and by the look of what he was smoking, quite high.

It seemed to be a drunken fumble and a sharp elbow or knee in his groin area would have left him far more reticent to try again than some tears, hand waving and hysteria.

On the other hand she is up for eviction, the sympathy vote would be useful for her but with Kens behaviour, I think she is safe enough.

[Pink Pegasus]

I don't think Chloe is to blame for anything. She was just trying to help him out. When he started saying some odd depressing stuff about how the only time he 'felt alive' was the feeling between being sick and getting better, that it was the only 'real' feeling he had, Chloe was just being nice by trying to tell him that she had seen better sides to him in the house and to make him feel better about himself.

Due to perhaps a mixture off too much alcohol, the close physical proximity between the two of them, and perhaps also a fragile mental state, Jeremy seems to have completely misread Chloe's attempt of kindness as a come on of some sort and made a move on her.
He didn't grope her boob, he pulled aside her robe thinking she had bikini on underneath, maybe he was going to move in for a kiss too before Chloe stood up and said she was not comfortable with that.

Jeremy was wrong to get too drunk if it has this affect - you have to take responsibility for your own alcohol limits and your behaviour. He was also wrong to pull apart the robe without asking permission even if he was about to try and make a move as in kiss her. I can understand why he was removed as Chloe was understandably very upset about the situation and it might have been very hard to rectify the situation.

I think he made a very very silly mistake because of misreading the situation, but I wouldn't class him as an abusive sex offender.

However even if it was a stupid mistake on Jeremy's part, it doesn't mean Chloe has no right to get very upset and cry about it. It's easy as a viewer to say she's overreacting but she said herself a lot of it was "just the shock", she's very young and this obviously scared her and give her a nasty shock as she was reading the situation completely different to Jeremy so it came out of nowhere to her.

I'm not even really a fan or anything of Chloe but I don't think she's to blame in this situation.
I also don't think Jeremy is as bad as is being made out but can understand why he was removed.

Ken is a much more aggressive and rude person than Jeremy imo.

[jaxie]

I think your attitude is kinda part of the problem. You wouldn't put yourself in that situation, but you should be able to help a person in need without having to worry about such things, and if someone did behave inappropriately, guess what? it still wouldn't be your fault, no matter what you say.

Of course the outside world has bearing on what happens in the house. If she's had tough experiences outside the house she's going to react that way. Everyone reacts differently because everyone has had different experiences in life. What bothers me is when people criticise the victim for over-reacting but don't criticise the person in the wrong, even though they showed little, to no remorse for what they did, or how they made that person feel.

I think my attitude is sensible, measured and not melodramatic. As I said what he did was inappropriate but did he commit a crime? Hardly. It about perspective. If that sickens anyone on the forum I'm not coming in the toilet while you vom either!

[Denver]

What I'm wondering is why it's all these jerks and players still get the majority of attention from girls on nights out. Nice guys finish last and yet all bad guys who do crazy stuff like this get girls round the block!

Jeremy is clearly got issues and is probably used to girls throwing themselves at him and took any attention as 'that' kind of attention.

FYI he split from his wife the week before he entered so his head was mega messed up

[mr rochester]

Callum Best prompted Jeremy by saying 'he thought she had a swimsuit on underneath her robe'. Up until then Jeremy had not voiced that...

[jaxie]

I am quite a bit older than some, a female who grew up in the pre feminism era.

What gets me today is that although girls in the BB house are happy to let the world see their bits and pieces, they see quite unable to cope with or reject any advances without acting like some damsel in distress.

Is it that I learnt the hard way to tell blokes to keep their hands to themselves or else without the histrionics we saw tonight. Yes, it was in appropriate, but the man was drunk, vomiting and by the look of what he was smoking, quite high.

It seemed to be a drunken fumble and a sharp elbow or knee in his groin area would have left him far more reticent to try again than some tears, hand waving and hysteria.

On the other hand she is up for eviction, the sympathy vote would be useful for her but with Kens behaviour, I think she is safe enough.
More common sense. :clap1:

[daniel-lewis-1985]

I'm not a Chloe 'hater' and I don't think what Jeremy did was appropriate but I do think she put herself into a silly situation and has to have some responsibility for that. I think the whole thing is being bnlown far out of proportion and I am a woman. He was drunk, he did something stupid but he didnt force himself on anyone. I think we have to keep some perspective.

So basically you're saying women should assume all men are going to sexually assault them so its their own fault if they choose to be alone with them? lol

I cannot believe some of the comments on tonight episode I thought we were a much better forum than that.

[MojoNixon]

Completely agree OP but I fear that many will vote to save Ken for some strange reason

Not strange reason, but common sense. Ken to Win!

[rionablue]

I am quite a bit older than some, a female who grew up in the pre feminism era.

What gets me today is that although girls in the BB house are happy to let the world see their bits and pieces, they see quite unable to cope with or reject any advances without acting like some damsel in distress.

Is it that I learnt the hard way to tell blokes to keep their hands to themselves or else without the histrionics we saw tonight. Yes, it was in appropriate, but the man was drunk, vomiting and by the look of what he was smoking, quite high.

It seemed to be a drunken fumble and a sharp elbow or knee in his groin area would have left him far more reticent to try again than some tears, hand waving and hysteria.

On the other hand she is up for eviction, the sympathy vote would be useful for her but with Kens behaviour, I think she is safe enough.

Chloe was not playing for the sympathy vote tonight.Her tears were genuine and I would have don EXACTLY the same in that situation. Chloe didn't lock herself into the toilet with Jeremy. The other girls were in there too. I reckon Michelle might have given him that sharp elbow you mention but Chloe is made of different stuff

[Withano]

It's disgusting. There's a thread on this forum that asks other members to 'keep Ken in'. I don't understand how "entertainment" is so important to anybody that disgraceful behaviour should be rewarded.

There are people on here that have airtime trump morality and those people need to get a grip.

[jaxie]

So basically you're saying women should assume all men are going to sexually assault them so its their own fault if they choose to be alone with them? lol

I cannot believe some of the comments on tonight episode I thought we were a much better forum than that.

No I'm saying its a little silly to put yourself in close proximity to someone who has had a lot to drink, particularly in a state of undress. That doesn't mean he should touch but really it was dumb and not too far fetched that someone who isn't thinking straight might get the wrong idea. And don't put words into my mouth.Thanks!

I think it was a stupid situation but the guy doesn't deserve the major overaction he is getting. How have we gone from touching her robe to sexual assault?

[daniel-lewis-1985]

I am quite a bit older than some, a female who grew up in the pre feminism era.

What gets me today is that although girls in the BB house are happy to let the world see their bits and pieces, they see quite unable to cope with or reject any advances without acting like some damsel in distress.

Is it that I learnt the hard way to tell blokes to keep their hands to themselves or else without the histrionics we saw tonight. Yes, it was in appropriate, but the man was drunk, vomiting and by the look of what he was smoking, quite high.

It seemed to be a drunken fumble and a sharp elbow or knee in his groin area would have left him far more reticent to try again than some tears, hand waving and hysteria.

On the other hand she is up for eviction, the sympathy vote would be useful for her but with Kens behaviour, I think she is safe enough.

Well im sorry to say but it seems that pre feminism era you supposedly grew up in has spat you out as a walking talking hypocrite.

Seriously this post makes me depressed, to you girls should expect to be groped for wearing revealing clothes? How are you pro female? It seems to me your mind set is very much still in the 60's/70's and you're a victim of your time.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

No I'm saying its a little silly to put yourself in close proximity to someone who has had a lot to drink, particularly in a state of undress. That doesn't mean he should touch but really it was dumb and not too far fetched that someone who isn't thinking straight might get the wrong idea. And don't put words into my mouth.Thanks!

I think it was a stupid situation but the guy doesn't deserve the major overaction he is getting.

Its not as if she stripped off and got into the hot tub with him lol.

He was being sick crouched over a toilet (hardly the most erotic or boner enducing place) and she was in a frumpy dressing gown helping him.

duh.

[MojoNixon]

Well im sorry to say but it seems that pre feminism era you supposedly grew up in has spat you out as a walking talking hypocrite.

Seriously this post makes me depressed, to you girls should expect to be groped for wearing revealing clothes? How are you pro female? It seems to me your mind set is very much still in the 60's/70's and you're a victim of your time.

It seems that you are trying to insult her.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

It seems that you are trying to insult her.

It seems you're trying to troll my posts.

[jaxie]

Its not as if she stripped off and got into the hot tub with him lol.

He was being sick crouched over a toilet (hardly the most erotic or boner enducing place) and she was in a frumpy dressing gown helping him.

duh.
Exactly he was drunk and sick, so how bad could it have been? It was obviously a drunk making a pass. Duh. Why does everyone need to act like it was a major sexual assault?

[LukeB]

thought it was unfair Ken got to stay tbh

[MojoNixon]

It seems you're trying to troll my posts.

No, you are hypocrite. Every time i say something to you, you do report me. But it's ok that you have right to insult everyone else, if they don't agree with you?

[rionablue]

thought it was unfair Ken got to stay tbh

I absolutely agree with you on that Luke. ken should have been out on his ****ing rear end when he made the first horrible sexual comment but he was kept in after making others and using an inappropriate word do describe people of colour. He was then given a warning at the end. it should have been three strikes and he was out and he did much more than three tonight!!!!!!!!!!!

[daniel-lewis-1985]

No, you are hypocrite. Every time i say something to you, you do report me. But it's ok that you have right to insult everyone else, if they don't agree with you?

What are you harping on about?

I haven't reported you. Why are you personally attacking me im confused.

If you have received an infraction or something go take that up with mods. Obviously you've made offensive posts resulting in you getting reprimanded but I have not reported any of them.

[Vicky.]

I don't blame Chloe for what happened at all. I do feel she overreacted though however thats probably because I have been in similar situations before and have just told the guy to **** off basically and thats that. I accept that everyones different though but I did think it was quite OTT.

I feel a lot of those vilifying Jeremy for being pissed and stupid are being silly though. He didn't grope the girl, he didn't even touch her. Yes it was inappropriate but to make out it was anything more than basically a drunken pass is making this whole thing more sinister than it needs to be really...

Also I feel the Daley/Hazel thing was a completely different ballgame an a hell of a lot more serious. And I dont think Hazel flirting or 'play acting' makes a difference to how we should view that situation to be honest :S

[MojoNixon]

What are you harping on about?

I haven't reported you. Why are you personally attacking me im confused.

If you have received an infraction or something go take that up with mods. Obviously you've made offensive posts but I have not reported any of them.

Funny thing, maybe there is someone else then who does so....

[Denver]

I don't blame Chloe for what happened at all. I do feel she overreacted though however thats probably because I have been in similar situations before and have just told the guy to **** off basically and thats that. I accept that everyones different though but I did think it was quite OTT.

I feel a lot of those vilifying Jeremy for being pissed and stupid are being silly though. He didn't grope the girl, he didn't even touch her. Yes it was inappropriate but to make out it was anything more than basically a drunken pass is making this whole thing more sinister than it needs to be really...

Also I feel the Daley/Hazel thing was a completely different ballgame an a hell of a lot more serious. And I dont think Hazel flirting or 'play acting' makes a difference to how we should view that situation to be honest :S
This :clap1:

[daniel-lewis-1985]

I don't blame Chloe for what happened at all. I do feel she overreacted though however thats probably because I have been in similar situations before and have just told the guy to **** off basically and thats that. I accept that everyones different though but I did think it was quite OTT.

I feel a lot of those vilifying Jeremy for being pissed and stupid are being silly though. He didn't grope the girl, he didn't even touch her. Yes it was inappropriate but to make out it was anything more than basically a drunken pass is making this whole thing more sinister than it needs to be really...

Also I feel the Daley/Hazel thing was a completely different ballgame an a hell of a lot more serious. And I dont think Hazel flirting or 'play acting' makes a difference to how we should view that situation to be honest :S

We have no idea what happened there was no footage shows of the incident just the sound of her shock then walking out.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Funny thing, maybe there is someone else then who does so....

You've obviously offended someone whos reported you but that person is not me.

You haven't offended me and I don't care what you post so lets just forget your accusations shall we.

[Denver]

We have no idea what happened there was no footage shows of the incident just the sound of her shock then walking out.

They both said he pulled the robe

[Vicky.]

We have no idea what happened there was no footage shows of the incident just the sound of her shock then walking out.

Well they both described the same thing so I assume thats what happened :shrug:

[jaxie]

I don't blame Chloe for what happened at all. I do feel she overreacted though however thats probably because I have been in similar situations before and have just told the guy to **** off basically and thats that. I accept that everyones different though but I did think it was quite OTT.

I feel a lot of those vilifying Jeremy for being pissed and stupid are being silly though. He didn't grope the girl, he didn't even touch her. Yes it was inappropriate but to make out it was anything more than basically a drunken pass is making this whole thing more sinister than it needs to be really...

Also I feel the Daley/Hazel thing was a completely different ballgame an a hell of a lot more serious. And I dont think Hazel flirting or 'play acting' makes a difference to how we should view that situation to be honest :S

Well said!

[Rob!]

Tonight's show has been a conversation starter with a guy on grinder so :clap1: to it.

[Mystic Mock]

One question that I would like to ask you Rionablue, what was the difference between what Jeremy did to what Denise did to one of the Shannon Twins? It's reverse sexism as nobody was calling for Denise to be removed and in fact voted for her to win.

[Ammi]

..I recall many people feeling the same with what Denise did, Mock...but it was BB's decision to keep her in and yeah, she went on to win/unbelievable..it almost makes you think that BB can favour housemates, that couldn't be possible could it..:whistle:...

..just another side thing on that comparison though...I wonder where the sympathies or understanding would have been if a housemate had done to Denise what Jeremy did with Chloe after she had gone topless in the pool..because she had chosen to reveal her body so therefore would share some responsibility...because isn't that what is often thought with young attractive females in the house....hmmmm....I personally think the reaction would have been something along the lines of....'how dare he/she presume to do that with Denise...she's an older lady/a mother/disgusting..get them out immediately...'....

[Macie Lightfoot]

No I'm saying its a little silly to put yourself in close proximity to someone who has had a lot to drink, particularly in a state of undress. That doesn't mean he should touch but really it was dumb and not too far fetched that someone who isn't thinking straight might get the wrong idea. And don't put words into my mouth.Thanks!

I think it was a stupid situation but the guy doesn't deserve the major overaction he is getting. How have we gone from touching her robe to sexual assault?

Why was it a little silly to be a good housemate and friend and check up on someone who's clearly had too much to drink and is sick? Being in a robe is hardly a state of undress and there's nothing dumb about it. It's gone from grabbing at her robe to sexual assault because posts and ideas like this perpetuate slut-shaming, victim-blaming rape culture at its finest.

Exactly he was drunk and sick, so how bad could it have been? It was obviously a drunk making a pass. Duh. Why does everyone need to act like it was a major sexual assault?

Bad enough for her to feel embarrassed and vulnerable and unsafe when she shouldn't need to feel that way for doing the right thing and checking on a friend. A fake house in a TV studio where everything is filmed is supposed to be a safe place.

[Ammi]

No I'm saying its a little silly to put yourself in close proximity to someone who has had a lot to drink, particularly in a state of undress. That doesn't mean he should touch but really it was dumb and not too far fetched that someone who isn't thinking straight might get the wrong idea. And don't put words into my mouth.Thanks!

I think it was a stupid situation but the guy doesn't deserve the major overaction he is getting. How have we gone from touching her robe to sexual assault?

...to help someone when they were drunk to the point of being ill is not a time when you would naturally feel vulnerable though and she was very much dressed in a robe because the robe covered her body and her body was meant to stay covered unless she decided otherwise...if he can misread situations to such an extent that he did because of alcohol and for sure more alcohol will be available in the house ..then it's right that he should be removed from the house...

[Ammi]

I am quite a bit older than some, a female who grew up in the pre feminism era.

What gets me today is that although girls in the BB house are happy to let the world see their bits and pieces, they see quite unable to cope with or reject any advances without acting like some damsel in distress.

Is it that I learnt the hard way to tell blokes to keep their hands to themselves or else without the histrionics we saw tonight. Yes, it was in appropriate, but the man was drunk, vomiting and by the look of what he was smoking, quite high.

It seemed to be a drunken fumble and a sharp elbow or knee in his groin area would have left him far more reticent to try again than some tears, hand waving and hysteria.

On the other hand she is up for eviction, the sympathy vote would be useful for her but with Kens behaviour, I think she is safe enough.

..that's it though..they are happy to show their bodies/their choice which is completely different from him pulling her robe open...and if she had kneed or elbowed him in the groin then that would have been assault...

[Ammi]

I don't think Chloe is to blame for anything. She was just trying to help him out. When he started saying some odd depressing stuff about how the only time he 'felt alive' was the feeling between being sick and getting better, that it was the only 'real' feeling he had, Chloe was just being nice by trying to tell him that she had seen better sides to him in the house and to make him feel better about himself.

Due to perhaps a mixture off too much alcohol, the close physical proximity between the two of them, and perhaps also a fragile mental state, Jeremy seems to have completely misread Chloe's attempt of kindness as a come on of some sort and made a move on her.
He didn't grope her boob, he pulled aside her robe thinking she had bikini on underneath, maybe he was going to move in for a kiss too before Chloe stood up and said she was not comfortable with that.

Jeremy was wrong to get too drunk if it has this affect - you have to take responsibility for your own alcohol limits and your behaviour. He was also wrong to pull apart the robe without asking permission even if he was about to try and make a move as in kiss her. I can understand why he was removed as Chloe was understandably very upset about the situation and it might have been very hard to rectify the situation.

I think he made a very very silly mistake because of misreading the situation, but I wouldn't class him as an abusive sex offender.

However even if it was a stupid mistake on Jeremy's part, it doesn't mean Chloe has no right to get very upset and cry about it. It's easy as a viewer to say she's overreacting but she said herself a lot of it was "just the shock", she's very young and this obviously scared her and give her a nasty shock as she was reading the situation completely different to Jeremy so it came out of nowhere to her.

I'm not even really a fan or anything of Chloe but I don't think she's to blame in this situation.
I also don't think Jeremy is as bad as is being made out but can understand why he was removed.

Ken is a much more aggressive and rude person than Jeremy imo.


..yeah, I fairly much agree with the bolded bit, he's just someone who is in a very bad place and I question that he should have ever been allowed in the house which is fairly much what Perez said from the beginning but it doesn't change what he did or how vulnerable and upset that made Chloe feel..I do think that removing him was the only thing they could do and I hope that he gets some help to get to a much better place...

...great to see you Pinkpegasus..:love:..I always love reading your thoughts...

[JayBlaze]

Chloe is a slut but even sluts get to choose who they let touch their tits

[Mick]

In this country we seldom achieve or maintain the blessed happy medium and imo political correctness is a good example.Needed at first but now well OTT.However having only just watched the episode I find that I agree completely with the points made in the OP.

What I try to do is self case things if Chloe was my daughter I would have been over the wall and walloped that bloke.If Ken was my Dad I would have felt ashamed.Both should have gone imo.

The third HM who earned no credit from the episode was Perez as imo he attempted to use the negative behaviours of both of the above two in what he perceived to be an advantageous way RE the voting publics perception of him.He thinks he has the whole game sussed I think/hope otherwise.

[bots]

Something that hasn't been mentioned yet which I also think is important. They are all on a reality show with cameras everywhere. It was not a case of a woman going in alone to a toilet with a drunk guy, she had every right to believe that she was safe from any form of attack, passive or otherwise.

[BigBrotherfan4ever]

In all the years of watching BB and CBB tonights show is top of the pile when it comes to an abslolutely SICKENING episode. Never have I been so disappointed in a housemate as I am with KEN the man I thought was legend in Coronation St all those years ago even though I was young when he appeared on it. I had high hopes for him and cheered when he entered the house. Now he has shown himself to be a vile, pervy old man who thinks its ok to say anything he wants to women with regard to sex etc. Telling Chloe that Jeremy was a big producer was like telling her she should have let him do what he wanted. he was commenting about the position of the pictures of the girls on the wall and saying something about 'giving head' he was on about the bathroom and watching the women and he made some comment to Cami about slut or *****. Ken SHOULD have been ejected tonight even BEFORE Jeremy. I think the reason Jeremy was ejected wasn't ENTIRELY because he groped Chloe it was because most of the OTHER housemates didn't feel comfortable with him. And I am NOT talking about Perez who went down in my estimation for trying making the whole thing about himself.

The thing that saddens me the most on reading the forum reactions to the Jeremy and Chloe situation is the amount of Chloe haters that are saying it was her own fault for going in there half naked (when some of the other girls were CLEARLY in there also) saying how she is MILKING the situation and blowing it out of proportion. In the Hazel and Daley situation much and all as I liked Hazel SHE DID FLIRT with Daley and they had been play acting before it. Chloe and the other girls felt sorry for Jeremy and went to help him. That in itself is a brave thing to do because there is nothing worse than watching someone PUKING their guts up.

When the incident happened Chloe was clearly heard saying Jeremy that is NOT ok. She then left the room in tears which I or many other women would have done. Even allowing for the fact that Jeremy was totally and utterly drunk the girl was HELPING him and not FLASHING at him. If it was KATIE who I completely dislike and think is an absolute bitch I would agree that he was wrong and she was right to be upset. Even if I don't like housemates if something like this happened to them I would see the situation WITH A HEART NOT an excuse to further put down my least favourite housemate.

Ken should be out of there straight away and if he isn't ejected SURELY there aren't people who will pick up their phones and vote to save him. Sorry my thread is so long but I am really passionate about the points I have made xx
Great post 100% agree

[delta]

It's quite clear from the transcript you heard that Chloe was doing nothing but a caring, considerate person and attending to a fellow human being that was in need some care and attention in a potentially, vulnerable situation. He abused that situation in the most heinous way possible, it wasn't a mistake, it wasn't a misinterpreted pass. It was one step down from rape, if he'd have been in the US he'd have been serving time now.

As for Ken, Ken Morley is an intelligent man and knows what is and isn't acceptable. He's just looking for the quickest way to remove himself and is sailing as close to the wind as possible. He's clearly bored with the shower of sh!t that surrounds him.


Best possible thing to do is to keep him as he wants to leave so much, he'll wind 'em up even more and he doesn't get to have his own way.

[Gusto Brunt]

It should be a double eviction Tuesday, Ken and Chloe.

[chuff me dizzy]

In all the years of watching BB and CBB tonights show is top of the pile when it comes to an abslolutely SICKENING episode. Never have I been so disappointed in a housemate as I am with KEN the man I thought was legend in Coronation St all those years ago even though I was young when he appeared on it. I had high hopes for him and cheered when he entered the house. Now he has shown himself to be a vile, pervy old man who thinks its ok to say anything he wants to women with regard to sex etc. Telling Chloe that Jeremy was a big producer was like telling her she should have let him do what he wanted. he was commenting about the position of the pictures of the girls on the wall and saying something about 'giving head' he was on about the bathroom and watching the women and he made some comment to Cami about slut or *****. Ken SHOULD have been ejected tonight even BEFORE Jeremy. I think the reason Jeremy was ejected wasn't ENTIRELY because he groped Chloe it was because most of the OTHER housemates didn't feel comfortable with him. And I am NOT talking about Perez who went down in my estimation for trying making the whole thing about himself.

The thing that saddens me the most on reading the forum reactions to the Jeremy and Chloe situation is the amount of Chloe haters that are saying it was her own fault for going in there half naked (when some of the other girls were CLEARLY in there also) saying how she is MILKING the situation and blowing it out of proportion. In the Hazel and Daley situation much and all as I liked Hazel SHE DID FLIRT with Daley and they had been play acting before it. Chloe and the other girls felt sorry for Jeremy and went to help him. That in itself is a brave thing to do because there is nothing worse than watching someone PUKING their guts up.

When the incident happened Chloe was clearly heard saying Jeremy that is NOT ok. She then left the room in tears which I or many other women would have done. Even allowing for the fact that Jeremy was totally and utterly drunk the girl was HELPING him and not FLASHING at him. If it was KATIE who I completely dislike and think is an absolute bitch I would agree that he was wrong and she was right to be upset. Even if I don't like housemates if something like this happened to them I would see the situation WITH A HEART NOT an excuse to further put down my least favourite housemate.

Ken should be out of there straight away and if he isn't ejected SURELY there aren't people who will pick up their phones and vote to save him. Sorry my thread is so long but I am really passionate about the points I have made xx

Good post,but you got one thing wrong ,Jeremy did not grope her

[Mick]

Ken Morley is an intelligent man and knows what is and isn't acceptable. He's just looking for the quickest way to remove himself and is sailing as close to the wind as possible. He's clearly bored with the shower of sh!t that surrounds him.


Best possible thing to do is to keep him as he wants to leave so much, he'll wind 'em up even more and he doesn't get to have his own way.

This is an interesting thought does anyone know the score RE payment.If they are thrown out as opposed to being evicted do they still receive the full sum.?

I am assuming that any of the UK celebs who agree to participate will have watched previous shows so I also wonder what the producers feel about a contestant like Ken who knowing what to expect now makes it clear that he wants to go ASAP and take the money.

Perhaps they should make it the quicker you go the less you get as my understanding is that a lot of the Fee they receive comes from the funds generated by OUR votes.

[lily.]

... I don't blame Chloe for what happened at all. I do feel she overreacted though however thats probably because I have been in similar situations before and have just told the guy to **** off basically and thats that. I accept that everyones different though but I did think it was quite OTT. ...

I have also been in similar situations and also told the guy to **** off, or smacked him one. However, the only thing that makes me think Chloe didn't overreact was because it's in the BB house. Any time that has happened to me, I had people there (like friends etc.). It must be difficult when something happens to you in the BB House and you feel upset and you're basically in there with a bunch of strangers. I think that is why she walked out of the bathroom and tried to walk out of the room. I think she didn't really know what to do or if she should tell anyone. I don't know if she was drinking or not, but her reaction did seem genuine. I'm not a Chloe fan. I don't even know who she is, but that is how I viewed the situation.

I do agree that the aftermath was OTT, but I think that was mainly due to others (notably Perez) making it all about them. It's a shame really. If I were Chloe I would probably go home.

[arista]

I don't blame Chloe for what happened at all. I do feel she overreacted though however thats probably because I have been in similar situations before and have just told the guy to **** off basically and thats that. I accept that everyones different though but I did think it was quite OTT.

I feel a lot of those vilifying Jeremy for being pissed and stupid are being silly though. He didn't grope the girl, he didn't even touch her. Yes it was inappropriate but to make out it was anything more than basically a drunken pass is making this whole thing more sinister than it needs to be really...

Also I feel the Daley/Hazel thing was a completely different ballgame an a hell of a lot more serious. And I dont think Hazel flirting or 'play acting' makes a difference to how we should view that situation to be honest :S



Thats good you can also see it.

[AnnieK]

I have also been in similar situations and also told the guy to **** off, or smacked him one. However, the only thing that makes me think Chloe didn't overreact was because it's in the BB house. Any time that has happened to me, I had people there (like friends etc.). It must be difficult when something happens to you in the BB House and you feel upset and you're basically in there with a bunch of strangers. I think that is why she walked out of the bathroom and tried to walk out of the room. I think she didn't really know what to do or if she should tell anyone. I don't know if she was drinking or not, but her reaction did seem genuine. I'm not a Chloe fan. I don't even know who she is, but that is how I viewed the situation.

I do agree that the aftermath was OTT, but I think that was mainly due to others (notably Perez) making it all about them. It's a shame really. If I were Chloe I would probably go home.

Completely agree with all of this :clap1:

[jaxie]

It's quite clear from the transcript you heard that Chloe was doing nothing but a caring, considerate person and attending to a fellow human being that was in need some care and attention in a potentially, vulnerable situation. He abused that situation in the most heinous way possible, it wasn't a mistake, it wasn't a misinterpreted pass. It was one step down from rape, if he'd have been in the US he'd have been serving time now.

As for Ken, Ken Morley is an intelligent man and knows what is and isn't acceptable. He's just looking for the quickest way to remove himself and is sailing as close to the wind as possible. He's clearly bored with the shower of sh!t that surrounds him.


Best possible thing to do is to keep him as he wants to leave so much, he'll wind 'em up even more and he doesn't get to have his own way.
One step down from rape? Please. And that is the problem with all the over reacting on this forum.

[Kazanne]

One step down from rape? Please. And that is the problem with all the over reacting on this forum.

I agree,he shouldn't have done it , he did and apologised,but really the 'rape' connotations are ridiculous , just people wanting excitement from BB taking it way over the top, maybe when he saw her draped over the pool showing them all her tit tricks,he thought she didn't mind showing them off ,afterall I was a bit surprised she got so 'distressed' over a tit exposure and all these people that are up in arms,do they look at page 3,mucky movies and salivate over the female form, ?Jeremy did wrong,he got punished,it needs to die a death now ,sick of reading about it.

[chuff me dizzy]

It's quite clear from the transcript you heard that Chloe was doing nothing but a caring, considerate person and attending to a fellow human being that was in need some care and attention in a potentially, vulnerable situation. He abused that situation in the most heinous way possible, it wasn't a mistake, it wasn't a misinterpreted pass. It was one step down from rape, if he'd have been in the US he'd have been serving time now.

As for Ken, Ken Morley is an intelligent man and knows what is and isn't acceptable. He's just looking for the quickest way to remove himself and is sailing as close to the wind as possible. He's clearly bored with the shower of sh!t that surrounds him.


Best possible thing to do is to keep him as he wants to leave so much, he'll wind 'em up even more and he doesn't get to have his own way.

Oh please !! :shocked: cut the dramatics

[Northern Monkey]

One step down from rape? Please. And that is the problem with all the over reacting on this forum.

:joker:I know!He pulled her robe slightly to the side near her boob,He did'nt finger her ffs:facepalm:

[Macie Lightfoot]

The reason the word rape is getting thrown around so much is because situations like this perpetuate rape culture, as do some people blaming the victim.

[KOZSAM]

Horrific behaviour!! Totally unacceptable for Jeremy Jackson to open Chloe's robe in CBB's show last night. And good that Jeremy has been removed from the house... however I do feel Chloe milked that performance, she knew exactly what she was doing and how that might benefit her, as she is up for eviction this week. Hmmmm

Ken is a totally other matter! Disgusting old man, trying to be controversial for the sake of it. I think he needs to go too!!!

[jaxie]

Oh please !! :shocked: cut the dramatics

I can't believe I am actually agreeing with chuff. Hell must be crusting up a nice frost.

[chuff me dizzy]

I can't believe I am actually agreeing with chuff. Hell must be crusting up a nice frost.

It happens to a lot of people, enjoy it and let it wash over you :wink:

[AnnieK]

In the eyes of the law she was sexually assaulted. As in he exposed her body without her permission. I don't think he meant it maliciously but it shouldn't have happened. It is a violation whether you want to say she was lay by the pool in a bikini or not doing "tit tricks". She didn't invite it

[jaxie]

The reason the word rape is getting thrown around so much is because situations like this perpetuate rape culture, as do some people blaming the victim.

There isn't really a victim. Basically the guy looked down her robe. She was doing tit tricks earlier ffs. He touched her robe, he didn't grab her. I think the way some people are trying to make it into a rape case is crazy.

[Kazanne]

There isn't really a victim. Basically the guy looked down her robe. She was doing tit tricks earlier ffs. He touched her robe, he didn't grab her. I think the way some people are trying to make it into a rape case is crazy.

She was bent over him,yes she had a robe on,but you know,I know we all know,when you bend over in a robe,you can see down the front,they are not fitted to the body,they are loose,so maybe a bra would have been appropriate,tell me what guy wouldn't have had a sneaky peek,he shouldn't have touched her robe,but we all do things when we are drunk that we really shouldn't,anyway that aside it seems a mountain has been made out of a molehill:wavey:

[chuff me dizzy]

She went into the toilet he was in,he didn't invite her ,and the Oscar winning hyper ventilating had me in stitches I thought any minute now St Nadias going to throw her to the floor, put her in the recovery position and perform CPR

[chuff me dizzy]

sula Lundy And the oscar goes to Chloe...
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[Cherie]

One step down from rape? Please. And that is the problem with all the over reacting on this forum.

.

[Cal.]

Sickened by the reactions that Chloe was too blame - says a lot about the posters though.

[Northern Monkey]

She was bent over him,yes she had a robe on,but you know,I know we all know,when you bend over in a robe,you can see down the front,they are not fitted to the body,they are loose,so maybe a bra would have been appropriate,tell me what guy wouldn't have had a sneaky peek,he shouldn't have touched her robe,but we all do things when we are drunk that we really shouldn't,anyway that aside it seems a mountain has been made out of a molehill:wavey:

The voice of reason.Thank god!:clap1:

[jaxie]

Sickened by the reactions that Chloe was too blame - says a lot about the posters though.

I don't see anyone saying she was to blame but she shouldnt have been in the toilet with a drunk and bb probably should be rationing the alcohol. I find it quite disturbing that someone can make a drunken pass to a girl who was flexing her breasts just hours before and half the forum is crying rape. She is not a wilting violet virgin victim. Drunken pass. Perspective.

Please tell me we do still live in a world where someone can make a drunken pass and be told no without being practically convicted for rape?

[Denver]

Sickened by the reactions that Chloe was too blame - says a lot about the posters though.

Im sickened by the claims that Jeremy is a Perv and would of Raped her

[rionablue]

One question that I would like to ask you Rionablue, what was the difference between what Jeremy did to what Denise did to one of the Shannon Twins? It's reverse sexism as nobody was calling for Denise to be removed and in fact voted for her to win.

I couldn't stand Denise and wanted he bitch out of there. I do think there is a lot of reverse sexism yes but unfortunately I am not BB and cant remove EITHER sex for doing something offensive. I am just talking about the Chloe situation.

[Kizzy]

Ken makes my flesh crawl, I hope he goes soon.
I thought the way jeremy was treated afterwards a bit OTT, I'm gad he's gone though he wasn't mentally capable from what I saw.

[Kazanne]

Sickened by the reactions that Chloe was too blame - says a lot about the posters though.

Who has said it's Chloes fault?

[poppsywoppsy]

I also challenge the black and white connotations. When inappropriate comments means " he is a pervert" and a drunken fumble or pass means "rapist"

How I look at it is, we should behave and dress appropriately when in company. Do and dress how you will when in your own space and choice of company.

When I mention an elbow or knee used to stop any unwanted attention, it was then mentioned as "assault" which in black and white terms it could but there are many different shades of grey intention or actions between.

BB are obviously walking the black and white line because of previous complaints and criticisms from authorities, so it is understandable they react this way.

If every drunken fumble was viewed as rape, our prisons would be full to overflowing, an immediate verbal reaction was usually enough to repel these fools but I felt with all the lechers in the soft porn industry Chloe works in, should have prepared her for these approaches and given her the ammunition (verbally) to render them impotent.

[rusticgal]

He made a bad error of judgement. He didn't grope her he had a peek...he should not have done it. IF he groped her then that would have been assault and I got the impression that that's what he did, but I now think that it was a peek.
You must be of a certain character to make a living as a topless model etc... I am sure she gets plenty of attention in that area so you would think she could handle that sort of attention by now. If he had a peek then she should just have smacked his hand and told him it was inappropriate...and left as she did. These girls don't mind flaunting their bits when it suits them.... Cami exposing an intimate tattoo 2 days ago!!!...and they are both flirting big time.
Maybe he did touch her inappropriately...in which case I understood her reaction completely because that's unacceptable.
It's a fine line but I think he wasn't in the right state of mind to be in the house in the first place...so his removal was correct.
If as a topless model she got so distressed at someone having a peek...then her behaviour in the house will now be judged on what she wears and how she behaves.

[Pink Pegasus]

..yeah, I fairly much agree with the bolded bit, he's just someone who is in a very bad place and I question that he should have ever been allowed in the house which is fairly much what Perez said from the beginning but it doesn't change what he did or how vulnerable and upset that made Chloe feel..I do think that removing him was the only thing they could do and I hope that he gets some help to get to a much better place...

...great to see you Pinkpegasus..:love:..I always love reading your thoughts...

Thanks Ammi, great to read your posts too. :love::)

[coffee]

Honestly, I can't believe that there are women on here who think this is Chloes fault.
I cried when it happened, it actually effected me a lot because I am ****ing sick that things like this still happen!
Drunk or not. If you haven't been invited to touch a woman. Her hair, her clothes, then don't! Don't even lean in and sniff a woman without invitation because it's all creepy AF!

Members on here who say Chloe is at fault then I feel sorry for you. You have obviously been brought up very badly.

[Niamh.]

Well said coffee

[WyldeFyre]

Well said coffee

Agree entirely

[Liam-]

Honestly, I can't believe that there are women on here who think this is Chloes fault.
I cried when it happened, it actually effected me a lot because I am ****ing sick that things like this still happen!
Drunk or not. If you haven't been invited to touch a woman. Her hair, her clothes, then don't! Don't even lean in and sniff a woman without invitation because it's all creepy AF!

Members on here who say Chloe is at fault then I feel sorry for you. You have obviously been brought up very badly.

:clap1:

[Macie Lightfoot]

but she shouldnt have been in the toilet with a drunk

why not?

[puzzled]

Of course what happened wasn't Chloe's fault. It's certainly possible that his grabbing her robe scared the bejeezus out of her, because she didn't know he'd stop. So I can see her leaving the bog in tears, but good grief, the endless caterwauling and heaving and going from room to room was really too much. Still, it's a reality show, and there's nothing wrong with making hay while the sun shines. As for Jeremy, it was a really stupid drunken blunder, but he's not the devil incarnate. The real villain of the piece, IMO, was Perez, trying to grab the spotlight and act the victim, carrying on as though HE'd been wronged. Disgusting. Jeremy deserved to go, though.

[coffee]

Of course what happened wasn't Chloe's fault. It's certainly possible that his grabbing her robe scared the bejeezus out of her, because she didn't know he'd stop. So I can see her leaving the bog in tears, but good grief, the endless caterwauling and heaving and going from room to room was really too much. Still, it's a reality show, and there's nothing wrong with making hay while the sun shines. As for Jeremy, it was a really stupid drunken blunder, but he's not the devil incarnate. The real villain of the piece, IMO, was Perez, trying to grab the spotlight and act the victim, carrying on as though HE'd been wronged. Disgusting. Jeremy deserved to go, though.

Honestly, no.
Perez isn't worse than Jeremy. He is annoying AF and a huge attention seeker but it wasn't him who opened a womans robe revealing her breast.

[Toy Soldier]

..yeah, I fairly much agree with the bolded bit, he's just someone who is in a very bad place and I question that he should have ever been allowed in the house which is fairly much what Perez said from the beginning but it doesn't change what he did or how vulnerable and upset that made Chloe feel..I do think that removing him was the only thing they could do and I hope that he gets some help to get to a much better place...


I agree with that - from the minute he stepped on stage he seemed slightly manic in a way that suggested he was trying to hide a lot of stress / anxiety and I don't think he should have gone into the house in the first place. If it weren't for that, I don't particularly think that what he did warranted any sort of punishment - other than a warning for getting so drunk, an admission that what he did was wrong and a grovelling apology. However, I think under the circumstances (the way he seemed even before getting drunk) the only real choice was to remove him from the house. For his own sake, more than anyone else's.

[puzzled]

Jeremy was legless, Chloe was shocked, Perez was calculating. Yes, Perez, villain.

[wendywillow]

I don't see anyone saying she was to blame but she shouldnt have been in the toilet with a drunk and bb probably should be rationing the alcohol.

careful what you wish for. bbus barely gives them a half a glass of beer and its boring as sin in there. it was a a sloppy pass, a mistake, he paid for it

[jaxie]

why not?

Well for one thing, and quite importantly, he was in the toilet and was entitled to some privacy. For another its not specially bright to be alone in a confined space with someone so drunk they are throwing up.

[Macie Lightfoot]

k.

[coffee]

Well for one thing, and quite importantly, he was in the toilet and was entitled to some privacy. For another its not specially bright to be alone in a confined space with someone so drunk they are throwing up.

LOL!
Just because you are drunk does not entitle you to be a rapey pervert.
Just because you are alone in a room with someone does not entitle you to be a rapey pervert.
Simple.

Did he ask her to leave? No, he didn't. He obviously was enjoying her there since he tried to take her clothes off.

[Jules2]

I think my attitude is sensible, measured and not melodramatic. As I said what he did was inappropriate but did he commit a crime? Hardly. It about perspective. If that sickens anyone on the forum I'm not coming in the toilet while you vom either!

I am inclined to agree with you Jaxie, I think he should have been left to his own devices with others outside just there in case he asked for help. I believe he has had a drink problem before so it wouldnt have been the first time it had happened. Imo we have to remember that the majority are viing for camera attention also trying to prove themselves as the caring and sharing person. Nothing against Chloe but she is up for eviction.

Ok it is a game but the result was very unfortunate and I do not think that Jeremy should have been put out of the house. As he sobered up he would most likely have apologised and shown his remorse but he didnt really have the chance to do so. Now it wont be forgotten, much worse has happened in the house before.

I was more disgusted with Ken and his actions, I think he should go on Tuesday so I hope that the public wont keep him in. I am voting for Alex myself as he fascinates me and I would like to see more of him.

[abhorson]

I am inclined to agree with you Jaxie, I think he should have been left to his own devices with others outside just there in case he asked for help. I believe he has had a drink problem before so it wouldnt have been the first time it had happened. Imo we have to remember that the majority are viing for camera attention also trying to prove themselves as the caring and sharing person. Nothing against Chloe but she is up for eviction.

Ok it is a game but the result was very unfortunate and I do not think that Jeremy should have been put out of the house. As he sobered up he would most likely have apologised and shown his remorse but he didnt really have the chance to do so. Now it wont be forgotten, much worse has happened in the house before.

I was more disgusted with Ken and his actions, I think he should go on Tuesday so I hope that the public wont keep him in. I am voting for Alex myself as he fascinates me and I would like to see more of him.


Again my question? If it was a relative of yours that a stranger did this to. Would you be so forgiving?

[jaxie]

LOL!
Just because you are drunk does not entitle you to be a rapey pervert.
Just because you are alone in a room with someone does not entitle you to be a rapey pervert.
Simple.

Did he ask her to leave? No, he didn't. He obviously was enjoying her there since he tried to take her clothes off.
Sorry, who was raped or perverted? I must have missed that.

[coffee]

Sorry, who was raped or perverted? I must have missed that.

Who said anyone was raped? Hmm
But Jeremy was a rapey pervert AKA acting rapey and pervey.

[Kizzy]

Don't worry riona I saw it as a drunken pass, it was misguided but nothing to be labelled rapey for. Having this opinion is nothing to be labelled misogynistic for either imo.

[jaxie]

Who said anyone was raped? Hmm
But Jeremy was a rapey pervert AKA acting rapey and pervey.
I can't help you. But I am starting to see how some young men get accused of things when they aren't guilty and have their lives ruined. Shocking.

[Vicky.]

Who said anyone was raped? Hmm
But Jeremy was a rapey pervert AKA acting rapey and pervey.

Really? I would be with you on this had he removed her robe and pinned her against the wall or something. But for making a pass at someone?! You must think a lot of blokes are rapey and pervy :o

[ebandit]

shove a bunch of crazy celebrities all together into a house and one gets

....................but for me the most sickening episode of the show has hardly

been mentioned.....................when male HM's were lined up in front

of images of other HM's disrespecting them saying the likes of 'this is

the right height for head' etc..........truly cringe worthy

Mark L

[jaxie]

shove a bunch of crazy celebrities all together into a house and one gets

....................but for me the most sickening episode of the show has hardly

been mentioned.....................when male HM's were lined up in front

of images of other HM's disrespecting them saying the likes of 'this is

the right height for head' etc..........truly cringe worthy

Mark L
I agree with you, that was inappropriate.

[lily.]

shove a bunch of crazy celebrities all together into a house and one gets

....................but for me the most sickening episode of the show has hardly

been mentioned.....................when male HM's were lined up in front

of images of other HM's disrespecting them saying the likes of 'this is

the right height for head' etc..........truly cringe worthy

Mark L

I agree. They're disgusting.