[rionablue]

In all the years of watching BB and CBB tonights show is top of the pile when it comes to an abslolutely SICKENING episode. Never have I been so disappointed in a housemate as I am with KEN the man I thought was legend in Coronation St all those years ago even though I was young when he appeared on it. I had high hopes for him and cheered when he entered the house. Now he has shown himself to be a vile, pervy old man who thinks its ok to say anything he wants to women with regard to sex etc. Telling Chloe that Jeremy was a big producer was like telling her she should have let him do what he wanted. he was commenting about the position of the pictures of the girls on the wall and saying something about 'giving head' he was on about the bathroom and watching the women and he made some comment to Cami about slut or *****. Ken SHOULD have been ejected tonight even BEFORE Jeremy. I think the reason Jeremy was ejected wasn't ENTIRELY because he groped Chloe it was because most of the OTHER housemates didn't feel comfortable with him. And I am NOT talking about Perez who went down in my estimation for trying making the whole thing about himself.

The thing that saddens me the most on reading the forum reactions to the Jeremy and Chloe situation is the amount of Chloe haters that are saying it was her own fault for going in there half naked (when some of the other girls were CLEARLY in there also) saying how she is MILKING the situation and blowing it out of proportion. In the Hazel and Daley situation much and all as I liked Hazel SHE DID FLIRT with Daley and they had been play acting before it. Chloe and the other girls felt sorry for Jeremy and went to help him. That in itself is a brave thing to do because there is nothing worse than watching someone PUKING their guts up.

When the incident happened Chloe was clearly heard saying Jeremy that is NOT ok. She then left the room in tears which I or many other women would have done. Even allowing for the fact that Jeremy was totally and utterly drunk the girl was HELPING him and not FLASHING at him. If it was KATIE who I completely dislike and think is an absolute bitch I would agree that he was wrong and she was right to be upset. Even if I don't like housemates if something like this happened to them I would see the situation WITH A HEART NOT an excuse to further put down my least favourite housemate.

Ken should be out of there straight away and if he isn't ejected SURELY there aren't people who will pick up their phones and vote to save him. Sorry my thread is so long but I am really passionate about the points I have made xx

[GiRTh]

Great post

[Locke.]

Me too. Sickened that Jeremy was removed and sickened that some people agree with the decision.

[Lstan]

agree but given some of the posts about last years bb i am only a little surprised

[jaxie]

I'm not a Chloe 'hater' and I don't think what Jeremy did was appropriate but I do think she put herself into a silly situation and has to have some responsibility for that. I think the whole thing is being bnlown far out of proportion and I am a woman. He was drunk, he did something stupid but he didnt force himself on anyone. I think we have to keep some perspective.

[MargeryFan]

I'm actually disgusted that people are actually blaming chloe. Sadly it's no surprise, given that i've been involved in many taboo debates online recently.

The majority of people seem to be too close minded or seem to want to trivialise things just to win an argument. We live in a sick sad world.

[MargeryFan]

Originally Posted by jaxie

I'm not a Chloe 'hater' and I don't think what Jeremy did was appropriate but I do think she put herself into a silly situation and has to have some responsibility for that. I think the whole thing is being bnlown far out of proportion and I am a woman. He was drunk, he did something stupid but he didnt force himself on anyone. I think we have to keep some perspective.

I'm a guy, and it's not my place to tell women what they should be offended about, but come on. I would hate for any woman to be cautious about helping me if I was in trouble, for fear that I might sexually harass her. How do we know Chloe hasn't been through similar experiences in the past where men think they have a right to put their hands on her because she was 'flirting' with them.

Did he even seem sorry about the way he made her feel? Did he apologise? Whether I thought it was over the top or not, if I had made somenoe feel that way, I would be mortified and do everything I could to make it right.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by jaxie

I'm not a Chloe 'hater' and I don't think what Jeremy did was appropriate but I do think she put herself into a silly situation and has to have some responsibility for that. I think the whole thing is being bnlown far out of proportion and I am a woman. He was drunk, he did something stupid but he didnt force himself on anyone. I think we have to keep some perspective.

[David R]

What I'm wondering is why it's all these jerks and players still get the majority of attention from girls on nights out. Nice guys finish last and yet all bad guys who do crazy stuff like this get girls round the block!

Jeremy is clearly got issues and is probably used to girls throwing themselves at him and took any attention as 'that' kind of attention.

[mr rochester]

Originally Posted by rionablue

In all the years of watching BB and CBB tonights show is top of the pile when it comes to an abslolutely SICKENING episode. Never have I been so disappointed in a housemate as I am with KEN the man I thought was legend in Coronation St all those years ago even though I was young when he appeared on it. I had high hopes for him and cheered when he entered the house. Now he has shown himself to be a vile, pervy old man who thinks its ok to say anything he wants to women with regard to sex etc. Telling Chloe that Jeremy was a big producer was like telling her she should have let him do what he wanted. he was commenting about the position of the pictures of the girls on the wall and saying something about 'giving head' he was on about the bathroom and watching the women and he made some comment to Cami about slut or *****. Ken SHOULD have been ejected tonight even BEFORE Jeremy. I think the reason Jeremy was ejected wasn't ENTIRELY because he groped Chloe it was because most of the OTHER housemates didn't feel comfortable with him. And I am NOT talking about Perez who went down in my estimation for trying making the whole thing about himself.

The thing that saddens me the most on reading the forum reactions to the Jeremy and Chloe situation is the amount of Chloe haters that are saying it was her own fault for going in there half naked (when some of the other girls were CLEARLY in there also) saying how she is MILKING the situation and blowing it out of proportion. In the Hazel and Daley situation much and all as I liked Hazel SHE DID FLIRT with Daley and they had been play acting before it. Chloe and the other girls felt sorry for Jeremy and went to help him. That in itself is a brave thing to do because there is nothing worse than watching someone PUKING their guts up.

When the incident happened Chloe was clearly heard saying Jeremy that is NOT ok. She then left the room in tears which I or many other women would have done. Even allowing for the fact that Jeremy was totally and utterly drunk the girl was HELPING him and not FLASHING at him. If it was KATIE who I completely dislike and think is an absolute bitch I would agree that he was wrong and she was right to be upset. Even if I don't like housemates if something like this happened to them I would see the situation WITH A HEART NOT an excuse to further put down my least favourite housemate.

Ken should be out of there straight away and if he isn't ejected SURELY there aren't people who will pick up their phones and vote to save him. Sorry my thread is so long but I am really passionate about the points I have made xx

100% agree with all of above...

[Pete.]

Completely agree OP but I fear that many will vote to save Ken for some strange reason

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by MargeryFan

I'm a guy, and it's not my place to tell women what they should be offended about, but come on. I would hate for any woman to be cautious about helping me if I was in trouble, for fear that I might sexually harass her. How do we know Chloe hasn't been through similar experiences in the past where men think they have a right to put their hands on her because she was 'flirting' with them.

Did he even seem sorry about the way he made her feel? Did he apologise? Whether I thought it was over the top or not, if I had made somenoe feel that way, I would be mortified and do everything I could to make it right.

We don't know about Chloe's past problems with men and we don't know Jeremy's with women either but none of that really has any bearing on what happened in the house. He was drunk, he tried to have a fumble, she told him no and left. I'm not sure that some drunk should be vilified for trying his luck. Personally I would never have put myself in the toilet with him with the door closed when was vomming. What he did was wrong but is it as bad as some are making it out? I dont know about that.

As to apologising was he given an opportunity?

[MargeryFan]

Originally Posted by jaxie

We don't know about Chloe's past problems with men and we don't know Jeremy's with women either but none of that really has any bearing on what happened in the house. He was drunk, he tried to have a fumble, she told him no and left. I'm not sure that some drunk should be vilified for trying his luck. Personally I would never have put myself in the toilet with him with the door closed when was vomming. What he did was wrong but is it as bad as some are making it out? I dont know about that.

I think your attitude is kinda part of the problem. You wouldn't put yourself in that situation, but you should be able to help a person in need without having to worry about such things, and if someone did behave inappropriately, guess what? it still wouldn't be your fault, no matter what you say.

Of course the outside world has bearing on what happens in the house. If she's had tough experiences outside the house she's going to react that way. Everyone reacts differently because everyone has had different experiences in life. What bothers me is when people criticise the victim for over-reacting but don't criticise the person in the wrong, even though they showed little, to no remorse for what they did, or how they made that person feel.

[poppsywoppsy]

I am quite a bit older than some, a female who grew up in the pre feminism era.

What gets me today is that although girls in the BB house are happy to let the world see their bits and pieces, they see quite unable to cope with or reject any advances without acting like some damsel in distress.

Is it that I learnt the hard way to tell blokes to keep their hands to themselves or else without the histrionics we saw tonight. Yes, it was in appropriate, but the man was drunk, vomiting and by the look of what he was smoking, quite high.

It seemed to be a drunken fumble and a sharp elbow or knee in his groin area would have left him far more reticent to try again than some tears, hand waving and hysteria.

On the other hand she is up for eviction, the sympathy vote would be useful for her but with Kens behaviour, I think she is safe enough.

[Pink Pegasus]

I don't think Chloe is to blame for anything. She was just trying to help him out. When he started saying some odd depressing stuff about how the only time he 'felt alive' was the feeling between being sick and getting better, that it was the only 'real' feeling he had, Chloe was just being nice by trying to tell him that she had seen better sides to him in the house and to make him feel better about himself.

Due to perhaps a mixture off too much alcohol, the close physical proximity between the two of them, and perhaps also a fragile mental state, Jeremy seems to have completely misread Chloe's attempt of kindness as a come on of some sort and made a move on her.
He didn't grope her boob, he pulled aside her robe thinking she had bikini on underneath, maybe he was going to move in for a kiss too before Chloe stood up and said she was not comfortable with that.

Jeremy was wrong to get too drunk if it has this affect - you have to take responsibility for your own alcohol limits and your behaviour. He was also wrong to pull apart the robe without asking permission even if he was about to try and make a move as in kiss her. I can understand why he was removed as Chloe was understandably very upset about the situation and it might have been very hard to rectify the situation.

I think he made a very very silly mistake because of misreading the situation, but I wouldn't class him as an abusive sex offender.

However even if it was a stupid mistake on Jeremy's part, it doesn't mean Chloe has no right to get very upset and cry about it. It's easy as a viewer to say she's overreacting but she said herself a lot of it was "just the shock", she's very young and this obviously scared her and give her a nasty shock as she was reading the situation completely different to Jeremy so it came out of nowhere to her.

I'm not even really a fan or anything of Chloe but I don't think she's to blame in this situation.
I also don't think Jeremy is as bad as is being made out but can understand why he was removed.

Ken is a much more aggressive and rude person than Jeremy imo.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by MargeryFan

I think your attitude is kinda part of the problem. You wouldn't put yourself in that situation, but you should be able to help a person in need without having to worry about such things, and if someone did behave inappropriately, guess what? it still wouldn't be your fault, no matter what you say.

Of course the outside world has bearing on what happens in the house. If she's had tough experiences outside the house she's going to react that way. Everyone reacts differently because everyone has had different experiences in life. What bothers me is when people criticise the victim for over-reacting but don't criticise the person in the wrong, even though they showed little, to no remorse for what they did, or how they made that person feel.

I think my attitude is sensible, measured and not melodramatic. As I said what he did was inappropriate but did he commit a crime? Hardly. It about perspective. If that sickens anyone on the forum I'm not coming in the toilet while you vom either!

[Denver]

Originally Posted by David R

What I'm wondering is why it's all these jerks and players still get the majority of attention from girls on nights out. Nice guys finish last and yet all bad guys who do crazy stuff like this get girls round the block!

Jeremy is clearly got issues and is probably used to girls throwing themselves at him and took any attention as 'that' kind of attention.

FYI he split from his wife the week before he entered so his head was mega messed up

[mr rochester]

Callum Best prompted Jeremy by saying 'he thought she had a swimsuit on underneath her robe'. Up until then Jeremy had not voiced that...

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by poppsywoppsy

I am quite a bit older than some, a female who grew up in the pre feminism era.

What gets me today is that although girls in the BB house are happy to let the world see their bits and pieces, they see quite unable to cope with or reject any advances without acting like some damsel in distress.

Is it that I learnt the hard way to tell blokes to keep their hands to themselves or else without the histrionics we saw tonight. Yes, it was in appropriate, but the man was drunk, vomiting and by the look of what he was smoking, quite high.

It seemed to be a drunken fumble and a sharp elbow or knee in his groin area would have left him far more reticent to try again than some tears, hand waving and hysteria.

On the other hand she is up for eviction, the sympathy vote would be useful for her but with Kens behaviour, I think she is safe enough.

More common sense.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Originally Posted by jaxie

I'm not a Chloe 'hater' and I don't think what Jeremy did was appropriate but I do think she put herself into a silly situation and has to have some responsibility for that. I think the whole thing is being bnlown far out of proportion and I am a woman. He was drunk, he did something stupid but he didnt force himself on anyone. I think we have to keep some perspective.

So basically you're saying women should assume all men are going to sexually assault them so its their own fault if they choose to be alone with them? lol

I cannot believe some of the comments on tonight episode I thought we were a much better forum than that.

[MojoNixon]

Originally Posted by Petemitch

Completely agree OP but I fear that many will vote to save Ken for some strange reason

Not strange reason, but common sense. Ken to Win!

[rionablue]

Originally Posted by poppsywoppsy

I am quite a bit older than some, a female who grew up in the pre feminism era.

What gets me today is that although girls in the BB house are happy to let the world see their bits and pieces, they see quite unable to cope with or reject any advances without acting like some damsel in distress.

Is it that I learnt the hard way to tell blokes to keep their hands to themselves or else without the histrionics we saw tonight. Yes, it was in appropriate, but the man was drunk, vomiting and by the look of what he was smoking, quite high.

It seemed to be a drunken fumble and a sharp elbow or knee in his groin area would have left him far more reticent to try again than some tears, hand waving and hysteria.

On the other hand she is up for eviction, the sympathy vote would be useful for her but with Kens behaviour, I think she is safe enough.

Chloe was not playing for the sympathy vote tonight.Her tears were genuine and I would have don EXACTLY the same in that situation. Chloe didn't lock herself into the toilet with Jeremy. The other girls were in there too. I reckon Michelle might have given him that sharp elbow you mention but Chloe is made of different stuff

[Withano]

It's disgusting. There's a thread on this forum that asks other members to 'keep Ken in'. I don't understand how "entertainment" is so important to anybody that disgraceful behaviour should be rewarded.

There are people on here that have airtime trump morality and those people need to get a grip.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985

So basically you're saying women should assume all men are going to sexually assault them so its their own fault if they choose to be alone with them? lol

I cannot believe some of the comments on tonight episode I thought we were a much better forum than that.

No I'm saying its a little silly to put yourself in close proximity to someone who has had a lot to drink, particularly in a state of undress. That doesn't mean he should touch but really it was dumb and not too far fetched that someone who isn't thinking straight might get the wrong idea. And don't put words into my mouth.Thanks!

I think it was a stupid situation but the guy doesn't deserve the major overaction he is getting. How have we gone from touching her robe to sexual assault?

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Originally Posted by poppsywoppsy

I am quite a bit older than some, a female who grew up in the pre feminism era.

What gets me today is that although girls in the BB house are happy to let the world see their bits and pieces, they see quite unable to cope with or reject any advances without acting like some damsel in distress.

Is it that I learnt the hard way to tell blokes to keep their hands to themselves or else without the histrionics we saw tonight. Yes, it was in appropriate, but the man was drunk, vomiting and by the look of what he was smoking, quite high.

It seemed to be a drunken fumble and a sharp elbow or knee in his groin area would have left him far more reticent to try again than some tears, hand waving and hysteria.

On the other hand she is up for eviction, the sympathy vote would be useful for her but with Kens behaviour, I think she is safe enough.

Well im sorry to say but it seems that pre feminism era you supposedly grew up in has spat you out as a walking talking hypocrite.

Seriously this post makes me depressed, to you girls should expect to be groped for wearing revealing clothes? How are you pro female? It seems to me your mind set is very much still in the 60's/70's and you're a victim of your time.