Is a human life more important than an animal life?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Do you think?

and why?


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[Niamh.]

Yes because I am a human and value my species above others. If I didn't I'd be a vegetarian

[Josy]

Yes because I am a human and value my species above others. If I didn't I'd be a vegetarian

This.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Yes because I am a human and value my species above others. If I didn't I'd be a vegetarian

But its only humans that came up with species and categories so it rather devalues that stance?

We are all related and just variations of the adaptation to life

[MTVN]

Immeasurably so

[Crimson Dynamo]

Immeasurably so

pourquoi?

[Lostie!]

No, not to me. If I woke up tomorrow and found that all animal life had been rendered extinct, the world would be a much bleaker place for me because I love animals.

When someone says that they value human life more than that of animals, it's quite a general statement that suggests to me that any human is worth more than any animal simply because they happen to be human, regardless of what sort of person they are.

That said, I'm not one of those who has a huge issue with meat eaters, I wasn't always a vegetarian myself. I do, however, have a massive problem with people who kill animals for fun, and I'll never apologise for that.

[arista]

Yes humans are above aniimals
in this hard life

[kirklancaster]

No, not to me. If I woke up tomorrow and found that all animal life had been rendered extinct, the world would be a much bleaker place for me because I love animals.

When someone says that they value human life more than that of animals, it's quite a general statement that suggests to me that any human is worth more than any animal simply because they happen to be human, regardless of what sort of person they are.

That said, I'm not one of those who has a huge issue with meat eaters, I wasn't always a vegetarian myself. I do, however, have a massive problem with people who kill animals for fun, and I'll never apologise for that.

:clap1: This - exactly.

[Niamh.]

But its only humans that came up with species and categories so it rather devalues that stance?

We are all related and just variations of the adaptation to life

not really, humans may have come up with the name for humans but we are our own group, like dogs are etc etc :laugh:

I love my dog and my cat but I would never put their lives above a humans (unless it was a serial killer or rapist or something lol)

[Kazanne]

No, not to me. If I woke up tomorrow and found that all animal life had been rendered extinct, the world would be a much bleaker place for me because I love animals.

When someone says that they value human life more than that of animals, it's quite a general statement that suggests to me that any human is worth more than any animal simply because they happen to be human, regardless of what sort of person they are.

That said, I'm not one of those who has a huge issue with meat eaters, I wasn't always a vegetarian myself. I do, however, have a massive problem with people who kill animals for fun, and I'll never apologise for that.

This^ I prefer animals to some people.

[MTVN]

pourquoi?

Because compared to animals humans are beings of immense abilities when it comes to reasoning, empathy, interaction etc. Yes I know some are bad, humans have ****ed up a lot etc etc but let's not act like what humans are capable of, and what humans have achieved, does not set us far apart from the rest of the animal world

[Crimson Dynamo]

Dragonflies have been on earth 300 million years and are ultra evolved lifespecies

Humans perhaps 5 million and are still killing each other like the low evolved species we are

[Niamh.]

Dragonflies have been on earth 300 million years and are ultra evolved lifespecies

Humans perhaps 5 million and are still killing each other like the low evolved species we are

and other animals never kill each other? :think:

[kirklancaster]

Dragonflies have been on earth 300 million years and are ultra evolved lifespecies

Humans perhaps 5 million and are still killing each other like the low evolved species we are

:clap1: And aren't we the only species who kill for 'fun' and 'sport'?

[Niamh.]

:clap1: And aren't we the only species who kill for 'fun' and 'sport'?

You never met my cat ..........

[Crimson Dynamo]

and other animals never kill each other? :think:

only to survive

not because they cannot get laid and believe in invisible gods they learned about online

[MTVN]

Loads of animals kill for sport :shrug:

[Niamh.]

only to survive

not because they cannot get laid and believe in invisible gods they learned about online

animals kill eachother over who's the alpha male or who gets to shag the female etc etc or they kill the offspring of former alphas etc etc that's quite barbaric

[kirklancaster]

Do you think?

and why?


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:joker::joker::joker: You are truly one sly old dog LT. :joker:

I'm referring to the fact that you have posted - probably - the most appealing photo of a little puppy, with a photo of a Muslim child posing with a toy gun.

Further; the puppy is alone and caged and obviously wanting to be free - which further evokes our sympathy - while the child is free, not alone and the bars are in the background.

:joker: Talk about subliminal conditioning?

[Crimson Dynamo]

You never met my cat ..........

cats are evil :joker:

[kirklancaster]

Loads of animals kill for sport :shrug:

I wasn't asking a rhetorical question, I suspected that we were, but did not know. I still don't, so maybe you can enlighten me?

[Niamh.]

cats are evil :joker:

also, my dog was nearly killed by 3 dogs from up the road, they weren't looking to eat her as far as I can tell.......

[kirklancaster]

You never met my cat ..........

:laugh: I love cats. They are so much fun and are very smart. I miss mine.

[Crimson Dynamo]

also, my dog was nearly killed by 3 dogs from up the road, they weren't looking to eat her as far as I can tell.......

no but they were protecting their patch most likely. Its not the dogs fault we have domesticated them as their evolution is yet to catch up


Also its just a danger of living on a rough council Cork estate, ask Josy she will agree

:idc:

[Niamh.]

no but they were protecting their patch most likely. Its not the dogs fault we have domesticated them as their evolution is yet to catch up


Also its just a danger of living on a rough council Cork estate, ask Josy she will agree

:idc:

look LT trying to make excuses for the dogs lol, animals are as vicious as humans, they just do it at a more basic level to humans

[Niamh.]

:laugh: I love cats. They are so much fun and are very smart. I miss mine.

Yes I love my cat too but believe me he does kill for fun :laugh:

[kirklancaster]

Yes I love my cat too but believe me he does kill for fun :laugh:

I'm an idiot - I forgot all the times my cat stalked birds and came in from outdoors with one in his mouth. Ditto field mice. I must be getting Alzheimer's. :bawling:

[Crimson Dynamo]

look LT trying to make excuses for the dogs lol, animals are as vicious as humans, they just do it at a more basic level to humans

Animals start each day with a do or die situation, find food or die or be food

humans do not for the most part

[MTVN]

I wasn't asking a rhetorical question, I suspected that we were, but did not know. I still don't, so maybe you can enlighten me?

Well Niamhs given a few examples: cats like to see killing things as like a game, a lot of animals will fight over mates, dogs can attack other dogs just to beat them. The animal world can be very brutal with animals killing each other just for the sake of it, there's no way we can see their interactions with each other as more civilised and harmonious than humans imo

[Crimson Dynamo]

Yes I love my cat too but believe me he does kill for fun :laugh:

http://i2.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article5188632.ece/alternates/s615/Birdsbesafe-Cat-Collar.jpg

make your killer cat wear this

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/technology-science/science/brightly-coloured-ruffs-stop-cats-killing-5188627

[kirklancaster]

Well Niamhs given a few examples: cats like to see killing things as like a game, a lot of animals will fight over mates, dogs can attack other dogs just to beat them. The animal world can be very brutal with animals killing each other just for the sake of it, there's no way we can see their interactions with each other as more civilised and harmonious than humans imo

I cede Matt, I forgot my own cat with field mice and birds. :blush:

[Niamh.]

Animals start each day with a do or die situation, find food or die or be food

humans do not for the most part

so what? :shrug:

For the people who claim to value animals over humans, here's a little scenario for you all

Your wife/husband/mother/father is trapped in a burning building along with a dog, the firefighters go in and save the dog, they don't have time to save your wife/husband/mother/father so they die. You're perfectly understanding when they tell you that "sorry we could only save one and we chose the dog" ? :think:

[Crimson Dynamo]

so what? :shrug:

For the people who claim to value animals over humans, here's a little scenario for you all

Your wife/husband/mother/father is trapped in a burning building along with a dog, the firefighters go in and save the dog, they don't have time to save your wife/husband/mother/father so they die. You're perfectly understanding when they tell you that "sorry we could only save one and we chose the dog" ? :think:

what type of dog was it?

[Niamh.]

what type of dog was it?

That's what I thought :idc:

[kirklancaster]

what type of dog was it?

:joker::joker::joker: This exchange with you and Niamh should be on the Comedy Chanel'

[Crimson Dynamo]

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The problem here is: how do we know that an animals kills for fun? How do we know the animal is feeling "fun"?

We can try to have an educated guess for an animal's motivation for killing, but we cannot know for sure.

We can say that an animal may not have killed another for food, if it's for example a herbivore, like a moose or deer or an elephant, attacking and killing someone. Or if it a carnivore who kills an animal but does not eat it. But even when the kill is not for food, how do we know the motivation was to have fun?

In the case of cats, many do actually eat the prey, at least in part. It is possible that they enjoy the hunt or the chase, as dogs like to chase skateboarders or squirrels. It's part of the prey drive, part of the instinct that makes them hunters, because carnivores that did not evolve to be good hunters, are not around anymore.

In the case of herbivores, in many cases the animals will attack and kill before they have been abused (like circus elephants) or because they are defending territory or the herd (like a water buffalo).

Even chimps when they hunt, they consume the meat of the critters they hunt.

I think it is hard to find in non-human animals, an exact parallel with humans who hunt (or fish) exclusively for sport, with no need to defend a territory, no intention of eating the meat or using the hide or other parts for a practical purpose, other than boasting or display.

http://www.quora.com/Which-organisms-other-than-humans-kill-for-fun

[Niamh.]

My cat kills flies and spiders, he doesn't eat them afterwards

[Lostie!]

look LT trying to make excuses for the dogs lol, animals are as vicious as humans, they just do it at a more basic level to humans

The distinction for me is that many humans attack and kill others with evil intent, whereas I don't think the term "evil" can be applied to animals. I don't think animals go around with spiteful, malicious thoughts in their heads, planning on doing harm because they enjoy the thought of being cruel. Many humans, however, do. The animal world is different to ours.

Can animals be as dangerous as humans? Absolutely. Evil is another matter, however.

[Niamh.]

The distinction for me is that many humans attack and kill others with evil intent, whereas I don't think the term "evil" can be applied to animals. I don't think animals go around with spiteful, malicious thoughts in their heads, planning on doing harm because they enjoy the thought of being cruel. Many humans, however, do. The animal world is different to ours.

Can animals be as dangerous as humans? Absolutely. Evil is another matter, however.

No offence here but how on Earth could you possibly know that?

[Lostie!]

No offence here but how on Earth could you possibly know that?

I used the phrase "I don't think" twice. I never stated anything as a clad-iron fact. We don't know either way for sure, do we? However, I'm strongly of the belief (again, it's merely a belief) that animals can't be evil in the same way humans can.

[Kyle]

The distinction for me is that many humans attack and kill others with evil intent, whereas I don't think the term "evil" can be applied to animals. I don't think animals go around with spiteful, malicious thoughts in their heads, planning on doing harm because they enjoy the thought of being cruel. Many humans, however, do. The animal world is different to ours.

Can animals be as dangerous as humans? Absolutely. Evil is another matter, however.

If you want to look at the dark side of humanity and use it as a stick to beat us over the head with then you need to balance it out with the good too. Humans are incredibly social animals who are capable of empathy/altruism and love and huge levels of co-operation to attain certain goals.

[Crimson Dynamo]

My cat kills flies and spiders, he doesn't eat them afterwards

I think you should get that thing put down asap

its demented


:umm2:

[Samuel.]

We're all just a variety of living beings ultimately, none more worthy than another

We just put ourselves first which I think is natural. For the vast majority at least, we as humans want to live and live well, and consensually and conveniently put our morality regarding animal life to one side for our food wants and needs. You've seen with fashion that the consesus is changing and we're viewing animal life more valuable than clothing for the most part. I think with food though we'll continue to ignore the countless death toll we're causing for certain animals even when for a lot of us it's really not necessary anymore.

Basically, we're unnecessarily evil but are more than happy to ignore it for convenience. I'm guilty as much as anybody.

[Crimson Dynamo]

We're all just a variety of living beings ultimately, none more worthy than another

We just put ourselves first which I think is natural. For the vast majority at least, we as humans want to live and live well, and consensually and conveniently put our morality regarding animal life to one side for our food wants and needs. You've seen with fashion that the consesus is changing and we're viewing animal life more valuable than clothing for the most part. I think with food though we'll continue to ignore the countless death toll we're causing for certain animals even when for a lot of us it's really not necessary anymore.

Basically, we're unnecessarily evil but are more than happy to ignore it for convenience. I'm guilty as much as anybody.

:clap1:

[Kazanne]

We're all just a variety of living beings ultimately, none more worthy than another

We just put ourselves first which I think is natural. For the vast majority at least, we as humans want to live and live well, and consensually and conveniently put our morality regarding animal life to one side for our food wants and needs. You've seen with fashion that the consesus is changing and we're viewing animal life more valuable than clothing for the most part. I think with food though we'll continue to ignore the countless death toll we're causing for certain animals even when for a lot of us it's really not necessary anymore.

Basically, we're unnecessarily evil but are more than happy to ignore it for convenience. I'm guilty as much as anybody.

:clap1::clap1:

[InOne]

It depends on the human life in question.

[thesheriff443]

Dogs have killed kids and children, cows kill people every year, snakes and spiders kill people, humans kill animals and each other.
A human life should be worth more than an animal but some people, ie rapist, child killers and murderers, their life's are worth a lot less than an animal.

[Lostie!]

If you want to look at the dark side of humanity and use it as a stick to beat us over the head with then you need to balance it out with the good too.

I'm not trying to use anything as a stick to beat humans with. I'd have to be quite a self-loathing human (which I'm not) if I was doing that. I was just pointing out what I feel is the difference between certain acts some humans and animals do.

Humans are incredibly social animals who are capable of empathy/altruism and love and huge levels of co-operation to attain certain goals.

Absolutely. I never suggested otherwise.

Of course, I think everything you just described can be applied to many animals, too.

[Niamh.]

I think you should get that thing put down asap

its demented


:umm2:

Killing flies and spiders is only to be applauded :idc:

http://i61.tinypic.com/1e6u4y.jpg

[Lostie!]

We're all just a variety of living beings ultimately, none more worthy than another

We just put ourselves first which I think is natural. For the vast majority at least, we as humans want to live and live well, and consensually and conveniently put our morality regarding animal life to one side for our food wants and needs. You've seen with fashion that the consesus is changing and we're viewing animal life more valuable than clothing for the most part. I think with food though we'll continue to ignore the countless death toll we're causing for certain animals even when for a lot of us it's really not necessary anymore.

Basically, we're unnecessarily evil but are more than happy to ignore it for convenience. I'm guilty as much as anybody.

Great post. :)

[Crimson Dynamo]

Killing flies and spiders is only to be applauded :idc:

http://i61.tinypic.com/1e6u4y.jpg

:shudder:

A Ghost cat

:fist: you should not have the undead in your house as you have children

[Niamh.]

:shudder:

A Ghost cat

:fist: you should not have the undead in your house as you have children

:laugh:

[Dollface]

No

[Kazanne]

Bull fighting
Dog fighting
Slaughtering the whales
Clubbing Seals
Bear baiting/dancing
The fur trade
Fox Hunting
Badger baiting
Using animals for medicines(tigers,bears etc,
Horse racing,
Elephant Poaching(for ivory)
Just a few things us lovely humans think we have a right to do to animals because are are 'THE TOP' of the chain.

[joeysteele]

Bull fighting
Dog fighting
Slaughtering the whales
Clubbing Seals
Bear baiting/dancing
The fur trade
Fox Hunting
Badger baiting
Using animals for medicines(tigers,bears etc,
Horse racing,
Elephant Poaching(for ivory)
Just a few things us lovely humans think we have a right to do to animals because are are 'THE TOP' of the chain.

Horrible list,(I could exclude horse racing), however some really cruel and rotten acts committed carrying that list out Kazanne,I agree.

[Niamh.]

Bull fighting
Dog fighting
Slaughtering the whales
Clubbing Seals
Bear baiting/dancing
The fur trade
Fox Hunting
Badger baiting
Using animals for medicines(tigers,bears etc,
Horse racing,
Elephant Poaching(for ivory)
Just a few things us lovely humans think we have a right to do to animals because are are 'THE TOP' of the chain.

They're all disgusting practices no doubt but imo it doesn't change the fact that as a human I would hold another humans life to a higher value than an animals. What about that scenario I gave, are you telling me that your first response wouldn't be "Why would you save a dog over a human?"

Your wife/husband/mother/father is trapped in a burning building along with a dog, the firefighters go in and save the dog, they don't have time to save your wife/husband/mother/father so they die. You're perfectly understanding when they tell you that "sorry we could only save one and we chose the dog" ?

[Crimson Dynamo]

With Neems scenario people would chose "their" loved ones but may not give 2 hoots about other folks


what if it were a tiger in there and the family came from say china or india

[Lostie!]

They're all disgusting practices no doubt but imo it doesn't change the fact that as a human I would hold another humans life in higher value to an animals. What about that scenario I gave, are you telling me that your first response wouldn't be "Why would you save a dog over a human?"

Your wife/husband/mother/father is trapped in a burning building along with a dog, the firefighters go in and save the dog, they don't have time to save your wife/husband/mother/father so they die. You're perfectly understanding when they tell you that "sorry we could only save one and we chose the dog" ?

To many people, pets are classed as family just as much. If I was in this situation, I'd be devastated either way. If the pet died, I certainly wouldn't feel "Well, at least it was the pet and not someone else". The heartbreak would be the same.

My cat passed away last summer and I mourned her just as much as I imagine I'll mourn relatives. About 7 months on and I still think about her and get sad every day, there's no comfort in the fact that she was just an animal.

[Niamh.]

With Neems scenario people would chose "their" loved ones but may not give 2 hoots about other folks


what if it were a tiger in there and the family came from say china or india

I'm not asking whether you would chose your loved one though, I'm asking if you would be understanding if a firefighter saved a dog over your family member? And I believe the first thing most people would say in that situation would be, why would you save a dog over a human?

[Vicky.]

Yeah, no question about it.

However there would also be no question about me saving an animal over a paedophile for example, but thats simply because I think people like that should not be around to harm people once discovered, and we wont lock them up for life, so losing them some other way would be a good thing in my eyes :shrug:

[Niamh.]

To many people, pets are classed as family just as much. If I was in this situation, I'd be devastated either way. If the pet died, I certainly wouldn't feel "Well, at least it was the pet and not someone else". The heartbreak would be the same.

My cat passed away last summer and I mourned her just as much as I imagine I'll mourn relatives. About 7 months on and I still think about her and get sad every day, there's no comfort in the fact that she was just an animal.

I love my pets, i really do, but there would be absolutely no comparing losing a my child/partner to losing my pet, not even close.

[Niamh.]

Yeah, no question about it.

However there would also be no question about me saving an animal over a paedophile for example, but thats simply because I think people like that should not be around to harm people once discovered, and we wont lock them up for life, so losing them some other way would be a good thing in my eyes :shrug:

:clap1:

[Kazanne]

They're all disgusting practices no doubt but imo it doesn't change the fact that as a human I would hold another humans life to a higher value than an animals. What about that scenario I gave, are you telling me that your first response wouldn't be "Why would you save a dog over a human?"

Your wife/husband/mother/father is trapped in a burning building along with a dog, the firefighters go in and save the dog, they don't have time to save your wife/husband/mother/father so they die. You're perfectly understanding when they tell you that "sorry we could only save one and we chose the dog" ?

Well obviously my family come above everything,but the fire is an accident and not set in most cases to kill anyone on purpose,Humans differ because they are supposed to be 'the top' yet they inflict pain just to sit back,make money and have a jolly good time at some poor animals expense.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I'm not asking whether you would chose your loved one though, I'm asking if you would be understanding if a firefighter saved a dog over your family member? And I believe the first thing most people would say in that situation would be, why would you save a dog over a human?

I dont see why one needs precedence over the other

I mourned my dog like i would a human and would mourn a family member (and it will be my old man soon) the same


But looking at the earth as a whole a human life is just the same as that of a wasp

[Niamh.]

Well obviously my family come above everything,but the fire is an accident and not set in most cases to kill anyone on purpose,Humans differ because they are supposed to be 'the top' yet they inflict pain just to sit back,make money and have a jolly good time at some poor animals expense.

You never answered my question though. Would you be ok with firefighters choosing to save a dog over one of your family members?

[Lostie!]

I'm not asking whether you would chose your loved one though, I'm asking if you would be understanding if a firefighter saved a dog over your family member?

No, I wouldn't (but again, to me the pet would be a family member too). And the same goes if the situation was reversed. I doubt most people would be "perfectly understanding" if they'd just lost a loved one in a fire. I'd want all those I love to be saved, and I'd be heartbroken if any (humans and animals alike) weren't.

And I believe the first thing most people would say in that situation would be, why would you save a dog over a human?

I'm glad I'm not "most people", then. It's not like the dog would suffer any less.

[Crimson Dynamo]

You never answered my question though. Would you be ok with firefighters choosing to save a dog over one of your family members?

what kind of training are Irish Firemen getting?

I blame austerity

:idc:

[Kazanne]

You never answered my question though. Would you be ok with firefighters choosing to save a dog over one of your family members?

My brothers a fire fighter and human life comes first,so I know in that scenario they would have tried their best to save the humans but failed but if they saved the dog that would be a bonus.

[Niamh.]

what kind of training are Irish Firemen getting?

I blame austerity

:idc:

Fire fighters*

[Niamh.]

My brothers a fire fighter and human life comes first,so I know in that scenario they would have tried their best to save the humans but failed but if they saved the dog that would be a bonus.

My husband is a fire fighter also :love:

But yes of course they would save the human first because humans are more important to other humans and rightly so imo (and I am an animal lover)

[Kyle]

What do you think of wasps leather Trumpet?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Fire fighters*



Sorry, not on my watch

[Crimson Dynamo]

What do you think of wasps leather Trumpet?

probably the best of all the Protestants

[Niamh.]

No, I wouldn't (but again, to me the pet would be a family member too). And the same goes if the situation was reversed. I doubt most people would be "perfectly understanding" if they'd just lost a loved one in a fire. I'd want all those I love to be saved, and I'd be heartbroken if any (humans and animals alike) weren't.



I'm glad I'm not "most people", then. It's not like the dog would suffer any less.

So you would not prioritise your human family members over your dog then?

[Lostie!]

So you would not prioritise your human family members over your dog then?

I don't currenly have a dog but speaking hypothetically, no. I wouldn't prioritise a pet over them either. I can't simply choose between those I love.

When my cat was alive, I didn't view her as any less part of the family. Heck, I had a bigger emotional connection to her than to some family members I don't see as much.

Sorry, I just can't come around to the belief than animals matter less. Each to their own, though. :)

[Kazanne]

Horrible list,(I could exclude horse racing), however some really cruel and rotten acts committed carrying that list out Kazanne,I agree.

Animals have to live with the disadvantage of living with most dangerous animal on earth Joey,and the cowards have created weapons that animals cannot fight against.

[RichardG]

I can't think of many situations where I'd say an animals life is more important than that of a human. :shrug: I have nothing against animals and would never wish them any harm but ultimately I reckon humans would almost always have to come first.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I can't think of many situations where I'd say an animals life is more important than that of a human. :shrug: I have nothing against animals and would never wish them any harm but ultimately I reckon humans would almost always have to come first.

what about a convicted paedophile against a giant panda?

[RichardG]

what about a convicted paedophile against a giant panda?

Perhaps that would be one of the few situations in which I'd choose the animal. :laugh: Thankfully the majority of us are better than that.

[Crimson Dynamo]

A puppy or a london unlicensed mini-cab driver?

[Dollface]

Family aside, i'd definitely save my dogs over a stranger
So like, if someone said "I'm gonna kill either your dog or a human you don't know." I'd choose the human I don't know to die

[kirklancaster]

Islamic Jihadists who shoot schoolchildren, behead innocent people and set innocent humans ablaze then laugh as they die screaming, or a scabies infested rat?..... "Oh thank God they saved you Rattie"

Ian Brady and Peter Sutcliffe or a pig?..... "Oh I'm so glad they've saved your bacon Porky."

Nuff said.

[Helen 28]

http://i.imgur.com/mWWOzce.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/sMlYxmp.jpg

It's a very difficult decision

[kirklancaster]

http://i.imgur.com/mWWOzce.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/sMlYxmp.jpg

It's a very difficult decision

:laugh: Not really Helen - One's a scaly beast which preys on anything weaker than itself, and the other's a Crocodile. The Croc gets saved every time.

[Helen 28]

:laugh: Not really Helen - One's a scaly beast which preys on anything weaker than itself, and the other's a Crocodile. The Croc gets saved every time.

Yes you're quite right, the croc wins.

[kirklancaster]

Yes you're quite right, the croc wins.

:joker::joker::joker:

[Ramsay]

Family aside, i'd definitely save my dogs over a stranger
So like, if someone said "I'm gonna kill either your dog or a human you don't know." I'd choose the human I don't know to die

This
Even if they were like oh save your mum or 10 random people die. i'd let the randomers die. selfish as **** but i don't think i'd feel bad about it at all

[Northern Monkey]

I'd say as a whole that all life is as valuable as each other,I mean what makes us so special?We are just animals.But i am human so i am biased and i value human life more because of this.Although there are some humans whos life i value much less than an animal.Like ISIS members for example,I value any animal or plants life more than 'people' like that.
Imo there is no definitive answer for this question.Too many variables.

[Kizzy]

If my dog and a stranger were drowning I would run to my dog first.
If it was a strange dog and a human I would run to the human first though.

[jennyjuniper]

and other animals never kill each other? :think:

They do, but only cats and humans kill for 'fun'.

[jennyjuniper]

animals kill eachother over who's the alpha male or who gets to shag the female etc etc or they kill the offspring of former alphas etc etc that's quite barbaric

It's even more barbaric to kill because you don't believe the same as someone else, support a different football team etc,. Anyway humans do that too, kill over a female/male, kill their and others offspring. At least in the animal kingdom it's done purely for survival.

[Toy Soldier]

They do, but only cats and humans kill for 'fun'.
Cats actually only "seem" to kill for fun, too. They hunt instinctively and would eat anything they kill in a "natural" setting but domestic cats are full of cat food so not necessarily hungry for their prey - but their instincts still tell them to catch and kill.

They do seem to enjoy "playing" with their... Err... Victims? Before the kill though. They sometimes torture them for ages. Yeah, cats are arseholes.

However - unlike humans - they don't do it to other cats.

[kirklancaster]

Cats actually only "seem" to kill for fun, too. They hunt instinctively and would eat anything they kill in a "natural" setting but domestic cats are full of cat food so not necessarily hungry for their prey - but their instincts still tell them to catch and kill.

They do seem to enjoy "playing" with their... Err... Victims? Before the kill though. They sometimes torture them for ages. Yeah, cats are arseholes.

However - unlike humans - they don't do it to other cats.

That is actually a brilliant point which has been overlooked by the rest of us.

[kirklancaster]

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Even if they were like oh save your mum or 10 random people die. i'd let the randomers die. selfish as **** but i don't think i'd feel bad about it at all

And nor should you feel bad about it - I'd do exactly the same.

[Niamh.]

And nor should you feel bad about it - I'd do exactly the same.


Wow, I'm genuinely astonished by that and I actually doubt that if any of you were in a situation where you had to choose a person or your dog, that you would choose the dog. Are you really saying you'd let someone's child die to save your dog? Really?

[kirklancaster]

Wow, I'm genuinely astonished by that and I actually doubt that if any of you were in a situation where you had to choose a person or your dog, that you would choose the dog. Are you really saying you'd let someone's child die to save your dog? Really?

:laugh: No, of course not Niamh. I'm referring to Ramsey when he said: "Even if they were like oh save your mum or 10 random people die. i'd let the randomers die. selfish as **** but i don't think i'd feel bad about it at all"

But..... :blush: as I went back on his post to copy the above, I noticed that he'd also said; "This" to Dollface's post in which she said that she would choose a stranger to die rather than her dog, so I understand why you think what you do. :laugh:

I would always save a child rather than any animal, but I wouldn't always save a human over an animal per se, because I'm afraid it would depend on who the human was and what type of human he was.

[Kazanne]

They do, but only cats and humans kill for 'fun'.

True and even cats don't do it for money!

[MTVN]

If my dog and a stranger were drowning I would run to my dog first.
If it was a strange dog and a human I would run to the human first though.

Imagine the effect that would have on that person's family and all their friends though, I'd feel incredibly guilt knowing I could have prevented all that grief and saved a person's life but prioritised my pet first. Of course losing a pet would be very hard but the reality is that a human death will affect more people and affect people harder

Cats actually only "seem" to kill for fun, too. They hunt instinctively and would eat anything they kill in a "natural" setting but domestic cats are full of cat food so not necessarily hungry for their prey - but their instincts still tell them to catch and kill.

They do seem to enjoy "playing" with their... Err... Victims? Before the kill though. They sometimes torture them for ages. Yeah, cats are arseholes.

However - unlike humans - they don't do it to other cats.

Cats do fight each other a lot though and it can often be pretty vicious

[Kizzy]

My dog is my family, he's like an adopted child to me and I have a bond with him.

[Iceman]

Humans first. Animals second.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I think what we have learned from this thread is:

Cats are evil and must, at all costs, be destroyed.

They are the ISIS of the animal world :umm2:

[Tom4784]

I'd value my pets over strangers tbh.

[JoshBB]

For the first time ever, I agree with LT! D:

Humans are simply animals that have evolved in a different way. Forget the "macro" and "micro" evolution 'differences' taught in RE, it's all the same thing. We are animals therefore equal to them, imo.

[Crimson Dynamo]

For the first time ever, I agree with LT! D:

Humans are simply animals that have evolved in a different way. Forget the "macro" and "micro" evolution 'differences' taught in RE, it's all the same thing. We are animals therefore equal to them, imo.

the magic is working

:devil:

[Niamh.]

For the first time ever, I agree with LT! D:

Humans are simply animals that have evolved in a different way. Forget the "macro" and "micro" evolution 'differences' taught in RE, it's all the same thing. We are animals therefore equal to them, imo.

in the grand scheme of things I don't think we're more important than animals but as a human I value humans more than animals. In the grand scheme of things I don't think we're important at all :think:

[JoshBB]

the magic is working

:devil:

I doubt your satanic magic will make us agree on everything.. :joker:

[DemolitionRed]

If you want to look at the dark side of humanity and use it as a stick to beat us over the head with then you need to balance it out with the good too. Humans are incredibly social animals who are capable of empathy/altruism and love and huge levels of co-operation to attain certain goals.

I agreed with you right up to reading the word altruism and then I disagreed with you :)

[Northern Monkey]

in the grand scheme of things I don't think we're more important than animals but as a human I value humans more than animals. In the grand scheme of things I don't think we're important at all :think:

This for me too.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I doubt your satanic magic will make us agree on everything.. :joker:

no i guess not


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[Jack_]

Not intrinsically or inherently no, humans are very self-centred and up ourselves when it comes to thinking we're above everyone and everything as a species. And I say this as someone that really isn't fussed about animals at all (well, apart from cats).

But looking out for your own? Yeah, I get that, so to humans other human life is more important than an animals, but objectively it isn't. If that makes sense...

[Northern Monkey]

Not intrinsically or inherently no, humans are very self-centred and up ourselves when it comes to thinking we're above everyone and everything as a species. And I say this as someone that really isn't fussed about animals at all (well, apart from cats).

But looking out for your own? Yeah, I get that, so to humans other human life is more important than an animals, but objectively it isn't. If that makes sense...It does.That's how i think of it too.
This question i think has a different answer depending on wether you look at it completely objectively or through our human eyes.Imo.

[AnnieK]

I would always save the human if it came to it. Humans have legitimate family bonds, I know some animals do but not in this country so if it came down to a human v animal I would have to save the human for the sake of the parents, children. I couldn't forgive myself if I save an animal and left a child without a parent or parent without a child. So for that reason I would hold human life as more important than animals.

I love animals though.

[Kyle]

I agreed with you right up to reading the word altruism and then I disagreed with you :)

Plugging your altruism thread in here, shame on you demo :nono:

[Niamh.]

I would always save the human if it came to it. Humans have legitimate family bonds, I know some animals do but not in this country so if it came down to a human v animal I would have to save the human for the sake of the parents, children. I couldn't forgive myself if I save an animal and left a child without a parent or parent without a child. So for that reason I would hold human life as more important than animals.

I love animals though.

This exactly and I adore my pets. I dont think that makes me less of an animal lover either