[Crimson Dynamo]

Do you think?

and why?

[Niamh.]

Yes because I am a human and value my species above others. If I didn't I'd be a vegetarian

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yes because I am a human and value my species above others. If I didn't I'd be a vegetarian

This.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yes because I am a human and value my species above others. If I didn't I'd be a vegetarian

But its only humans that came up with species and categories so it rather devalues that stance?

We are all related and just variations of the adaptation to life

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

But its only humans that came up with species and categories so it rather devalues that stance?

We are all related and just variations of the adaptation to life

not really, humans may have come up with the name for humans but we are our own group, like dogs are etc etc

I love my dog and my cat but I would never put their lives above a humans (unless it was a serial killer or rapist or something lol)

[MTVN]

Immeasurably so

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Immeasurably so

pourquoi?

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

pourquoi?

Because compared to animals humans are beings of immense abilities when it comes to reasoning, empathy, interaction etc. Yes I know some are bad, humans have ****ed up a lot etc etc but let's not act like what humans are capable of, and what humans have achieved, does not set us far apart from the rest of the animal world

[Lostie!]

No, not to me. If I woke up tomorrow and found that all animal life had been rendered extinct, the world would be a much bleaker place for me because I love animals.

When someone says that they value human life more than that of animals, it's quite a general statement that suggests to me that any human is worth more than any animal simply because they happen to be human, regardless of what sort of person they are.

That said, I'm not one of those who has a huge issue with meat eaters, I wasn't always a vegetarian myself. I do, however, have a massive problem with people who kill animals for fun, and I'll never apologise for that.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Lostie!

No, not to me. If I woke up tomorrow and found that all animal life had been rendered extinct, the world would be a much bleaker place for me because I love animals.

When someone says that they value human life more than that of animals, it's quite a general statement that suggests to me that any human is worth more than any animal simply because they happen to be human, regardless of what sort of person they are.

That said, I'm not one of those who has a huge issue with meat eaters, I wasn't always a vegetarian myself. I do, however, have a massive problem with people who kill animals for fun, and I'll never apologise for that.

This - exactly.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Lostie!

No, not to me. If I woke up tomorrow and found that all animal life had been rendered extinct, the world would be a much bleaker place for me because I love animals.

When someone says that they value human life more than that of animals, it's quite a general statement that suggests to me that any human is worth more than any animal simply because they happen to be human, regardless of what sort of person they are.

That said, I'm not one of those who has a huge issue with meat eaters, I wasn't always a vegetarian myself. I do, however, have a massive problem with people who kill animals for fun, and I'll never apologise for that.

This^ I prefer animals to some people.

[arista]

Yes humans are above aniimals
in this hard life

[Crimson Dynamo]

Dragonflies have been on earth 300 million years and are ultra evolved lifespecies

Humans perhaps 5 million and are still killing each other like the low evolved species we are

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Dragonflies have been on earth 300 million years and are ultra evolved lifespecies

Humans perhaps 5 million and are still killing each other like the low evolved species we are

and other animals never kill each other?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

and other animals never kill each other?

only to survive

not because they cannot get laid and believe in invisible gods they learned about online

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

only to survive

not because they cannot get laid and believe in invisible gods they learned about online

animals kill eachother over who's the alpha male or who gets to shag the female etc etc or they kill the offspring of former alphas etc etc that's quite barbaric

[jennyjuniper]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

animals kill eachother over who's the alpha male or who gets to shag the female etc etc or they kill the offspring of former alphas etc etc that's quite barbaric

It's even more barbaric to kill because you don't believe the same as someone else, support a different football team etc,. Anyway humans do that too, kill over a female/male, kill their and others offspring. At least in the animal kingdom it's done purely for survival.

[jennyjuniper]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

and other animals never kill each other?

They do, but only cats and humans kill for 'fun'.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by jennyjuniper

They do, but only cats and humans kill for 'fun'.

Cats actually only "seem" to kill for fun, too. They hunt instinctively and would eat anything they kill in a "natural" setting but domestic cats are full of cat food so not necessarily hungry for their prey - but their instincts still tell them to catch and kill.

They do seem to enjoy "playing" with their... Err... Victims? Before the kill though. They sometimes torture them for ages. Yeah, cats are arseholes.

However - unlike humans - they don't do it to other cats.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Cats actually only "seem" to kill for fun, too. They hunt instinctively and would eat anything they kill in a "natural" setting but domestic cats are full of cat food so not necessarily hungry for their prey - but their instincts still tell them to catch and kill.

They do seem to enjoy "playing" with their... Err... Victims? Before the kill though. They sometimes torture them for ages. Yeah, cats are arseholes.

However - unlike humans - they don't do it to other cats.

That is actually a brilliant point which has been overlooked by the rest of us.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

If my dog and a stranger were drowning I would run to my dog first.
If it was a strange dog and a human I would run to the human first though.

Imagine the effect that would have on that person's family and all their friends though, I'd feel incredibly guilt knowing I could have prevented all that grief and saved a person's life but prioritised my pet first. Of course losing a pet would be very hard but the reality is that a human death will affect more people and affect people harder

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Cats actually only "seem" to kill for fun, too. They hunt instinctively and would eat anything they kill in a "natural" setting but domestic cats are full of cat food so not necessarily hungry for their prey - but their instincts still tell them to catch and kill.

They do seem to enjoy "playing" with their... Err... Victims? Before the kill though. They sometimes torture them for ages. Yeah, cats are arseholes.

However - unlike humans - they don't do it to other cats.

Cats do fight each other a lot though and it can often be pretty vicious

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by jennyjuniper

They do, but only cats and humans kill for 'fun'.

True and even cats don't do it for money!

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Dragonflies have been on earth 300 million years and are ultra evolved lifespecies

Humans perhaps 5 million and are still killing each other like the low evolved species we are

And aren't we the only species who kill for 'fun' and 'sport'?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

And aren't we the only species who kill for 'fun' and 'sport'?

You never met my cat ..........

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

You never met my cat ..........

cats are evil