.

[Jessica.]

.

[andybigbro]

TiBB Staff is an automatic thing that is sent to a member after a warning or infraction is given.

If anyone ever has a problem with a infraction/warning then just PM a mod or admin to discuss it.

[Jessica.]

TiBB Staff is an automatic thing that is sent to a member after a warning or infraction is given.

If anyone ever has a problem with a infraction/warning then just PM a mod or admin to discuss it.

Well, we were told to reply to it with queries! :worry:

[armand.kay]

Do y'all check messages sent to Tibb staff?

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

i have replied to that account loads of times and never got a reply

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

and i don't think mods should be allowed to hide behind it tbh :umm2: like if you as a mod personally feel an infraction is deserved why do it anonymously?

[MTVN]

Mods don't see the messages or have access to it but Admin read the message and one of Josy or James normally posts any responses that come through in the Towers section

[MTVN]

I would honestly never infract people if they knew it was me, it opens you up to far too much sh*t, accusations of vendetta, bias etc. for it to ever be worth it

[Jessica.]

Mods don't see the messages or have access to it but Admin read the message and one of Josy or James normally posts any responses that come through in the Towers section

I see. :shocked: Thanks for the insight, that explains everything, if another mod gives the infraction it wouldn't really make sense for Josy or James to figure out if the person replying is telling the truth or not, since they didn't give it. :worry: That is an awful system tbh.

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

I would honestly never infract people if they knew it was me, it opens you up to far too much sh*t, accusations of vendetta, bias etc. for it to ever be worth it

then you should not be a mod :nono:

[andybigbro]

and i don't think mods should be allowed to hide behind it tbh :umm2: like if you as a mod personally feel an infraction is deserved why do it anonymously?

It's not chosen to be anonymous. That's just how the system is.

Just don't do any infractable offences, and you'll be fine :)

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

It's not chosen to be anonymous. That's just how the system is.

it is though? that is the whole point of it lmao

[armand.kay]

It's not chosen to be anonymous. That's just how the system is.

Just don't do any infractable offences, and you'll be fine :)

It's not really clear what infractable and what's not tho.

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

ew i just read my posts back they make it look like i really have a problem with/care about this when i don't at all bye

[andybigbro]

It's not really clear what infractable and what's not tho.

Read the rules :idc:

[armand.kay]

I have examples of when things which either arent in the rules or aren't made clear have got me in trouble but I fear I may be infracted or even banned if I post.

[Jessica.]

Just don't do any infractable offences, and you'll be fine :)

The whole point of this thread is that sometimes people seem to be breaking the rules when they are really not, so they get punished and don't get a chance to explain why they didn't deserve it. :joker:

[MTVN]

I see. :shocked: Thanks for the insight, that explains everything, if another mod gives the infraction it wouldn't really make sense for Josy or James to figure out if the person replying is telling the truth or not, since they didn't give it. :worry: That is an awful system tbh.

It would though cos as Admin they're meant to be checking that the Mods are doing their job, which they do do. Infractions can and do get reversed and they often get discussed at least if they're contentious

then you should not be a mod :nono:

Maybe I wouldn't be if it wasn't anonymous, but it is and so I am :idc:

[Marsh.]

Yeah, the number of warnings/infractions I get that say....

"baiting"
"baiting again"
"baiting AGAIN"
"stop this baiting now"

is ridiculous.

I bait like once every six months when I'm bored. :idc: The rest of the time I'm joking with people and they take it as a joke. :hmph:

[LukeB]

jess u do know if you get loads of infractions that leads towards a ban. I'm not going to say the words but you were quite nasty towards mock on the lounge and on someones wall. but it's only a ban and you were banned for 1 day :laugh:

[Jessica.]

Yeah, the number of warnings/infractions I get that say....

"baiting"
"baiting again"
"baiting AGAIN"
"stop this baiting now"

is ridiculous.

I bait like once every six months when I'm bored. :idc: The rest of the time I'm joking with people and they take it as a joke. :hmph:

Yeah, there's a lot of jokes being taken out of context. :umm2: They can't just say "don't joke".

[andybigbro]

The whole point of this thread is that sometimes people seem to be breaking the rules when they are really not, so they get punished and don't get a chance to explain why they didn't deserve it. :joker:

There have been times when people have been Infracted and other mods question it because they have understood the context wrong, and then the infraction is reversed.

Of course if someone is Infracted and in turn is banned they are going to try and 'explain' what they meant to try and get out of it.

[Jessica.]

jess u do know if you get loads of infractions that leads towards a ban. I'm not going to say the words but you were quite nasty towards mock on the lounge and on someones wall. but it's only a ban and you were banned for 1 day :laugh:

I know, I was banned from a build up of infractions, one of them was a 100% wrongful infraction. This thread isn't about the ban, I don't care about being banned for one day, this is about a bigger issue.

[MTVN]

You all act like we infract people for fun though, it's not like trawling through all the sh*te in the Lounge or wherever is enjoyable, it's mainly when reports start coming through that Mods respond to it

[Marsh.]

Of course if someone is Infracted and in turn is banned they are going to try and 'explain' what they meant to try and get out of it.

But what if it's a genuine grievance? :fist: You can't lump everyone together andy!!! :smug:

[LukeB]

Another question for the mods :p

you know the expired infractions can mods delete them?

[andybigbro]

Yeah, the number of warnings/infractions I get that say....

"baiting"
"baiting again"
"baiting AGAIN"
"stop this baiting now"

is ridiculous.

I bait like once every six months when I'm bored. :idc: The rest of the time I'm joking with people and they take it as a joke. :hmph:

Maybe your posts are getting reported by those you are "joking" with who obviously don't see it as a joke.

[Marsh.]

Another question for the mods :p

you know the expired infractions can mods delete them?

Expired ones vanish from the account for me. I can only see "active" ones. :suspect:

[andybigbro]

But what if it's a genuine grievance? :fist: You can't lump everyone together andy!!! :smug:

Then you can pm a mod/admin for us to discuss it.

[Jessica.]

There have been times when people have been Infracted and other mods question it because they have understood the context wrong, and then the infraction is reversed.

Of course if someone is Infracted and in turn is banned they are going to try and 'explain' what they meant to try and get out of it.

Yeah, stuff like that is bound to happen, I'm not saying the mods are out to get me or something, I just think there should be more communication between the mods and members. :thumbs2:

[Marsh.]

Maybe your posts are getting reported by those you are "joking" with who obviously don't see it as a joke.

Well I know that now. :idc:

The problem then becomes people taking things as a joke and laughing on forum and then reporting you behind your back instead of coming out with it. :fist:

[LukeB]

Expired ones vanish from the account for me. I can only see "active" ones. :suspect:

they don't vanish for me :suspect:

[LukeB]

can a mod make my expired infractions vanish please :flutter:

[andybigbro]

can a mod make my expired infractions vanish please :flutter:

No :fan:

You should accept your bad behaviour :hehe:

[LukeB]

No :fan:

You should accept your bad behaviour :hehe:

:sad: I have, but they have expired so they not active infractions :p

i will steal your babies

[andybigbro]

Well I know that now. :idc:

The problem then becomes people taking things as a joke and laughing on forum and then reporting you behind your back instead of coming out with it. :fist:

I'm not saying this happened... I'm saying it's a possibility. :smug:

Just don't bait, or only joke with people you know aren't going to be offended. :)

[Jessica.]

Maybe your posts are getting reported by those you are "joking" with who obviously don't see it as a joke.

That's another thing, if a post is reported because it offend someone it doesn't involve, then action shouldn't be taken tbh, it should only be if the person it's aimed at is offended or if it's a serious rule break or a more social issue. :umm2:

Like if I told Marsh he has "squinty eyes":joker:, he would know I was referencing something he said about himself before, but might reply with something aimed at me, someone might find this offensive and report it, but because it's not entirely 100% clear to the people who aren't involved it could result in an infraction for me or both of us if his reply was something similarly distinctive.

[andybigbro]

That's another thing, if a post is reported because it offend someone it doesn't involve, then action shouldn't be taken tbh, it should only be if the person it's aimed at is offended or if it's a serious rule break or a more social issue. :umm2:

Like if I told Marsh he has "squinty eyes":joker:, he would know I was referencing something he said about himself before, but might reply with something aimed at me, someone might find this offensive and report it, but because it's not entirely 100% clear to the people who aren't involved it could result in an infraction for me or both of us if his reply was something similarly distinctive.

We wouldn't infract for that :umm2:

[Liam-]

Just don't do things that could lead to possible infractions if you're not happy with receiving infractions for things that you don't think you should be receiving them for :shrug:

[Jessica.]

We wouldn't infract for that :umm2:

It was just an example, I am not going to give a serious one because this is a clean thread and I want it to be nice with no trouble. :nono:

[Shaun]

Perhaps the problem is more that you should be accountable for your actions rather than needing to know who exactly has infracted you...

[andybigbro]

It was just an example, I am not going to give a serious one because this is a clean thread and I want it to be nice with no trouble. :nono:

Right ok, well as far as I'm aware, infractions are only given when the member being targeted has reported. Unless it's an obvious targeting situation.

[Jessica.]

Perhaps the problem is more that you should be accountable for your actions rather than needing to know who exactly has infracted you...

I don't care WHO it is, I just want to be able to explain myself. :shrug:

[Jessica.]

Right ok, well as far as I'm aware, infractions are only given when the member being targeted has reported. Unless it's an obvious targeting situation.

Well if I aim something at you, for example, I should only be punished if it was you who reported me. :eureka:

[andybigbro]

Well if I aim something at you, for example, I should only be punished if it was you who reported me. :eureka:

Thats how it generally is. Unless it's an obvious targeting situation.

But if wee feel the need to infract were we see fit, thats down to us. If people have a problem, then message a mod or admin and it will be discussed further in the towers if need be.

[andybigbro]

Also on a side note, we don't go infracting people for fun. :joker:

It's just something that we do in order to keep the forum pleasant and readable.

[Jessica.]

You all act like we infract people for fun though, it's not like trawling through all the sh*te in the Lounge or wherever is enjoyable, it's mainly when reports start coming through that Mods respond to it

I know that it's not for fun, it's probably really boring. I would hate to be a mod and have to handle a report in a Rachel Rice Fan Club or something, I couldn't be bothered to read it all and figure out the true context unless it was blatantly obvious. The thing is, that is partly the issue with infractions being taken out of context, it's probably hard for someone who doesn't know the inside jokes etc.. to make proper judgement. That is why we should be able to explain ourselves.

[Cherie]

Also on a side note, we don't go infracting people for fun. :joker:

It's just something that we do in order to keep the forum pleasant and readable.

MTVN said exactly the same thing, is Josy feeding you lines through an earpiece :idc:

[andybigbro]

MTVN said exactly the same thing, is Josy feeding you lines through an earpiece :idc:

:joker: I never realised he said it.

[andybigbro]

I know that it's not for fun, it's probably really boring. I would hate to be a mod and have to handle a report in a Rachel Rice Fan Club or something, I couldn't be bothered to read it all and figure out the true context unless it was blatantly obvious. The thing is, that is partly the issue with infractions being taken out of context, it's probably hard for someone who doesn't know the inside jokes etc.. to make proper judgement. That is why we should be able to explain ourselves.

You can explain yourselves, but us mods don't see the TiBB staff return messages, so pm a mod or admin directly and it will get discussed in the towers if need be.

[arista]

"What is the point in this account? It only seems to be used for mods to hide their identity. "


Jess you are being Silly
they work as one

Admin direct them

[Jessica.]

You can explain yourselves, but us mods don't see the TiBB staff return messages, so pm a mod or admin directly and it will get discussed in the towers if need be.

A great method would be:

"Did you really mean it when you told Marsh he has squinty eyes?"
"No, I was joking, he knows that"
"Well I got a report, it seems to have offended someone"
"Oh sorry, I'll delete it, I won't tell him he has squinty eyes any more"

Verus

Dear Jessica.,

You have received an infraction at ThisisBigBrother.com - UK TV Forums.

Reason: Completely nasty and rude comment about another member
-------
Marsh has squinty eyes.

How dare you think you have a right to say a member has squinty eyes, there is no need at all for this nasty behaviour.
-------

If you have too many infractions you may receive a posting ban.

All the best,
ThisisBigBrother.com - UK TV Forums

[Smithy]

Tbh I think the infraction system is a bit messy, and I hope this thread stays open so that we can discuss it like adults rather than someone close it because they don't like that members are wanting to have something change

I think the fact that there's no clear infraction system makes the whole thing a bit redundant, someone could get 1 point for baiting and someone else 2 points (because they were given by different mods) and the second person knocked into a ban because of it, I think we should be able to see the amount of points given and there should be a full list of infractionable offences and the # of points given when they're commited

It's really annoying when mods say "if xxx carries on I'm giving out straight bans" in no way is that ever fair and I've never seen it done on any other forums, I wouldn't have a problem with TiBB staff if there was a system like I mentioned before, because then you know even if a mod dislikes you, you're only getting the set amount of points rather than them upping it (even slightly) because they dislike you

I know what I'm trying to say but it's not coming out properly :fist:

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

i have only ever reported one person :fan:

[Locke.]

Doesn't really matter does it, you are back on now and can post whatever you wanted to post while you were banned.

[Jessica.]

Doesn't really matter does it, you are back on now and can post whatever you wanted to post while you were banned.

I already said I don't care about my ban, this is not what it's about. :nono:

[Locke.]

p.s I'm not sure what you were actually banned for but you deserved to be for the way you were speaking to Mock a few days back

[Vicky.]

Tbh I think the infraction system is a bit messy, and I hope this thread stays open so that we can discuss it like adults rather than someone close it because they don't like that members are wanting to have something change

I think the fact that there's no clear infraction system makes the whole thing a bit redundant, someone could get 1 point for baiting and someone else 2 points (because they were given by different mods) and the second person knocked into a ban because of it, I think we should be able to see the amount of points given and there should be a full list of infractionable offences and the # of points given when they're commited

It's really annoying when mods say "if xxx carries on I'm giving out straight bans" in no way is that ever fair and I've never seen it done on any other forums, I wouldn't have a problem with TiBB staff if there was a system like I mentioned before, because then you know even if a mod dislikes you, you're only getting the set amount of points rather than them upping it (even slightly) because they dislike you

I know what I'm trying to say but it's not coming out properly :fist:
Yes, because this ALWAYS happens. Its not because for some reason or other a couple of members have to start sniping constantly in decent threads :idc:

We don't have access to the tibb staff account, everything goes automatically through it. We dont think 'oh I want to give someone I hate an infraction but if I do it they will know its me so lets hide'. I get emails when someone PMs tibb staff...but I also get emails from every report that gets made, so I'm sure you can imagine, I have set my tibb emails to go right to spam :laugh: I'm not reading through 50+ messages a day full of rubbish

If someone sends a proper reply to the account, james/josy let us know. They do not, however, pass on messages such as 'omgz this is bias, its not fair, X has a grudge' and other crap like that

[Shaun]

Idk why people care tbh

[Vicky.]

And yeah the systems a bit messy, but ANYTHING that requires human judgement is. The only way for it to be completely fair really is to have only one person modding the entire forum. Even a set (3 points for insult) wouldnt work, as then someone could say 'foxysarah is fat' while someone else said 'i hope elproximo drowns in a vat of acid while pins fly into his eyes' and then would both recieve the same points D:

[Smithy]

Yes, because this ALWAYS happens. Its not because for some reason or other a couple of members have to start sniping constantly in decent threads :idc:


Well either way I just hope the thread stays open so that people's queries are answered :fan:

[Smithy]

And yeah the systems a bit messy, but ANYTHING that requires human judgement is. The only way for it to be completely fair really is to have only one person modding the entire forum. Even a set (3 points for insult) wouldnt work, as then someone could say 'foxysarah is fat' while someone else said 'i hope elproximo drowns in a vat of acid while pins fly into his eyes' and then would both recieve the same points D:

Well this is a point system from another site I use and I think it works pretty well



Warning Details

Abrasive — 1 point, expires in 30 days
Your comment was rude and/or hurtful to other members or staff.

Disruptive — 1 point, expires in 30 days
- Spamming gifs/images/smileys/random keys
- Posting a pointless thread or too many times in a row
- Intentionally using a fake or misleading thread title
- Using all caps in a thread title

Profanity — 1 point, expires in 30 days
You've circumvented the profanity censor by swapping letters for symbols, spaces, etc.

Flamebait — 1 point, expires in 30 days
You have started a thread or posted a reply that just seems to be fishing for an argument.

Insensitive — 1 point, expires in 30 days
Even if you might not realize it, what you said was mean to a particular group of people.

Nicknames — 1 point, expires in 30 days
You have mangled the name of a celebrity, public figure, brand or ATRL member into a stan name or a hater name.
Allowed: Honorary titles and shortened names such as "Queen Britney", "Legend X", "Princess Ri", etc
Not allowed: Over the top mangling or disrespectful names such as "Godga", "Successica Legendson", "Rihtard", etc

Off Topic — 1 point, expires in 30 days
Either you posted something irrelevant to the thread, or posted a thread in the wrong forum.

Fighting — 2 points, expires in 60 days
Arguing with someone in a thread instead of taking it to Stand Your Ground or your blog.

Offensive — 2 points, expires in 60 days
You've said something racist, homophobic, or otherwise discriminatory.

Trolling — 2 points, expires in 60 days
Specifically and deliberately posting something with the intent to make people mad.

File Share Request — 2 points, expires in 60 days
You have requested a link to an illegal download or an illegal download website.

Infringement — 2 points, expires in 60 days
You've posted an entire article without proper consent from the author or you did not properly link to and credit the source.

Graphic — 2 points, expires in 60 days
You've posted content that's either extremely violent or otherwise discomforting. Violent/discomforting content can be posted if it's collapsed and warning tagged.

Vulgar — 2 points, expires in 60 days
Your post or signature contains sexually explicit or suggestive content.

Explicit — 3 points, expires in 90 days
You've posted an explicit image without linking it inside [warning] and [url] tags or your avatar and/or signature contains excessively vulgar content.

File Sharing — 4 points, expires in 120 days
You have posted a link to an illegal download, illegal download website, or you have posted copyrighted material. Quoting posts that contain links to illegal downloads is also strictly prohibited.

Duplicate — 3 points, 3 month ban, never expires
We've discovered that you have a duplicate account and are carrying on a second persona.

Spam — Permanent ban

(Some of them might be irrelevant bc it's a music forum but still, it works a lot better than the ones on here

[MTVN]

Yes, because this ALWAYS happens. Its not because for some reason or other a couple of members have to start sniping constantly in decent threads :idc:

We don't have access to the tibb staff account, everything goes automatically through it. We dont think 'oh I want to give someone I hate an infraction but if I do it they will know its me so lets hide'. I get emails when someone PMs tibb staff...but I also get emails from every report that gets made, so I'm sure you can imagine, I have set my tibb emails to go right to spam :laugh: I'm not reading through 50+ messages a day full of rubbish

If someone sends a proper reply to the account, james/josy let us know. They do not, however, pass on messages such as 'omgz this is bias, its not fair, X has a grudge' and other crap like that

Aha ok I didn't realise this actually because all mail from TiBB goes to a separate folder which currently has 3862 unread messages

[Smithy]

But seriously back on topic can a mod respond to my posts please :dazzler:

[Vicky.]

Duplicate — 3 points, 3 month ban, never expires
We've discovered that you have a duplicate account and are carrying on a second persona.



I like this. I always thought we were too lax on multis...

[Vicky.]

Anyway, I would be up for a change to the infraction system tbh.

[Marsh.]

I like this. I always thought we were too lax on multis...

I love in-mod fighting. :amazed:

[arista]

Anyway, I would be up for a change to the infraction system tbh.


will that help with the amount of mail
you have to read?

[Smithy]

ALSO can we get actual reasons for infractions, I'm reading through my previous ones and the amount "Reason: No"'s is ridiculous, it just isn't that professional, which I think it should be if you're going to bother having a "middle man" which is TiBB staff

[Jessica.]

Thanks to all of the mods who have contributed to this thread, I expected it to just flop but I was pleasantly surprised.

Shame on the derailers. :nono:

[Smithy]

I like this. I always thought we were too lax on multis...

Breaking the swear filter - *checks Smithy's list* - 1 point infraction.

See, the system works :clap2:

There'd be no more complaints too about bias modding, because everything is there in black and white about why you'll be infracted and how harsh it'll be

[arista]

ALSO can we get actual reasons for infractions, I'm reading through my previous ones and the amount "Reason: No"'s is ridiculous, it just isn't that professional, which I think it should be if you're going to bother having a "middle man" which is TiBB staff


thats your view


Dramatic.


TIBB Staff
do a top job


If I buy this Forum
all staff are going to get a One Off Cash
Payment (Tax Free) gift

[Vicky.]

See, the system works :clap2:

There'd be no more complaints too about bias modding, because everything is there in black and white about why you'll be infracted and how harsh it'll be

Yes but theres still the issue of stuff like, lets take the swear filter...

X says 'this is ****' breaking the filter

Y says 'you stupid motherfcking c unt, fcking dickheading wankface cumstain'

Both should get one points? Personally I don't think thats fair either

[Jessica.]

Yes but theres still the issue of stuff like, lets take the swear filter...

X says 'this is ****' breaking the filter

Y says 'you stupid motherfcking c unt, fcking dickheading wankface cumstain'

Both should get one points? Personally I don't think thats fair either

:joker::joker::joker::joker:

One is just breaking the swear filter, the other counts as breaking the swear filter AND insulting someone, so they should get the points for both things?

[Marsh.]

Yes but theres still the issue of stuff like, lets take the swear filter...

X says 'this is ****' breaking the filter

Y says 'you stupid motherfcking c unt, fcking dickheading wankface cumstain'

Both should get one points? Personally I don't think thats fair either

Yes but the difference there is that X has simply broken the swear filter, Y would be breaking the swear filter AND attacking another member so the points build up. :smug:

I should be a mod tbh. :idc: Everyone would be getting a dozen charges for one post.

[Jessica.]

Yes but the difference there is that X has simply broken the swear filter, Y would be breaking the swear filter AND attacking another member so the points build up. :smug:

I should be a mod tbh. :idc: Everyone would be getting a dozen charges for one post.

I literally posted that five years before you.

[Smithy]

thats your view


Dramatic.


TIBB Staff
do a top job


If I buy this Forum
all staff are going to get a One Off Cash
Payment (Tax Free) gift
Can you just contribute to the matter at band rather than having a go at everything and anything members post, it's SO irritating trying to have a proper discussion with you quoting every other post just making snipey comments :umm2:
Yes but theres still the issue of stuff like, lets take the swear filter...

X says 'this is ****' breaking the filter

Y says 'you stupid motherfcking c unt, fcking dickheading wankface cumstain'

Both should get one points? Personally I don't think thats fair either

Well the first person would get points for breaking the filter and the second for breaking the filter and insulting someone, is that not how it'd work? :suspect:

[Iceman]

But yeah maybe a change could work. I personally try and stick to what other mods have posted points wise.

[arista]

"just making snipey comments "


They are not snipey
I am honest.


I respect you as a Person


But as a member I can post my views
even if its shocking to you.

[Smithy]

"just making snipey comments "


They are not snipey
I am honest.


I respect you as a Person


But as a member I can post my views
even if its shocking to you.

But your views are on my opinions not the thread at hand which is derailing and it'll only end in an argument

[Vicky.]

Well the first person would get points for breaking the filter and the second for breaking the filter and insulting someone, is that not how it'd work? :suspect:

My point was more, some rulebreaks while technically the same thing, are worse than others :S Some insults are worse, especially personal ones. etc

[Smithy]

My point was more, some rulebreaks while technically the same thing, are worse than others :S Some insults are worse, especially personal ones. etc

I get the point you're making but I think that in cases like that, other infractionable offences are made so extra points are added, so one could be "insult" and another would be "offensive language" both worth one point whereas the other person would just get one point for the insult

If you get it, I didn't explain it very well

[Vicky.]

I get the point you're making but I think that in cases like that, other infractionable offences are made so extra points are added, so one could be "insult" and another would be "offensive language" both worth one point whereas the other person would just get one point for the insult

If you get it, I didn't explain it very well

Yeah I get it

I do think a change to the system is long overdue tbh

But no matter what we do, lets be honest, there will still be a select few (usually those who are banned most often) who feel its all so unfair :laugh:

[Kyle]

It's probably for the best that all infractions are anonymous given the propensity people have for taking things outside the forum.

[Smithy]

Yeah I get it

I do think a change to the system is long overdue tbh

But no matter what we do, lets be honest, there will still be a select few (usually those who are banned most often) who feel its all so unfair :laugh:

Yeah, people will complain regardless of the situation, but I think with some of the stuff that's been mentioned, it'll be a lot clearer, a lot fairer and a lot harder to contest

[Josy]

What is the point in this account? It only seems to be used for mods to hide their identity.

Weren't we told that we could appeal infractions etc.. by replying to this account?

Does anybody read the messages that are sent to it? I have never gotten a reply.

I know most of the time I deserve my infractions but I have definitely been wrongly infracted/banned a few times and it's very annoying to be infracted for something that is completely taken out of context. :worry: I just get ignored when I explain myself and most of the time I don't even try.

What happened to innocent until proven guilty? You can't just automatically know the context every time, if you don't know whether something is a joke or not then it usual IS a joke and you are not going to be burned at the steak by the other mods if you admit you are wrong once in a while.

Anyway, all I am saying is hear people out. :flowers:

You answered your own question about the TiBB Staff account, members have no need to know who infracted them, they do use it against mods, infact there is times when someone receives an infraction and starts accusing a mod of having a vendetta against them when a lot of the times it isn't even the mod they accuse that's infracted them :laugh:

As to the 'joke' comments, it doesn't matter how much you claim something you have posted was a joke or for a laugh and so on, if the person the comment is directed at finds it offensive then it's not a joke at all.

James, myself and Vicky receive the messages that are sent to TiBB Staff and as has already been posted if it's a genuine query we do post it in the mod section and discuss it or sometimes I pm the person in reply to explain the infraction etc, some can confirm this I'm sure..

Lastly, we do we admit when we are wrong, we reverse infractions and sometimes even bans more than you would think. Every single infraction and even warning that's given out generates it's own discussion thread in a reports section, if we see an infraction that we find to be a bit harsh then we say it and discuss what we think would have been more fitting, or sometimes we reverse the infractions again I'm sure some members that has had infractions reversed can confirm this.You also have to remember that we don't just go into a thread, or see a report and immediately go and hand out an infraction for what was reported, we have to read back and see how things started, check if the reported comment was in reply to a baiting comment and so on.

[Headie]

ALSO can we get actual reasons for infractions, I'm reading through my previous ones and the amount "Reason: No"'s is ridiculous, it just isn't that professional, which I think it should be if you're going to bother having a "middle man" which is TiBB staff

Omg this, I remember one time I posted a pic of a black lady and the reason for the infraction was "Don't push it" :joker:

EDIT: Oop it expires tomorrow, then I'll be infraction-free. Bad guy gone good era?

[Kazanne]

You answered your own question about the TiBB Staff account, members have no need to know who infracted them, they do use it against mods, infact there is times when someone receives an infraction and starts accusing a mod of having a vendetta against them when a lot of the times it isn't even the mod they accuse that's infracted them :laugh:

As to the 'joke' comments, it doesn't matter how much you claim something you have posted was a joke or for a laugh and so on, if the person the comment is directed at finds it offensive then it's not a joke at all.

James, myself and Vicky receive the messages that are sent to TiBB Staff and as has already been posted if it's a genuine query we do post it in the mod section and discuss it or sometimes I pm the person in reply to explain the infraction etc, some can confirm this I'm sure..

Lastly, we do we admit when we are wrong, we reverse infractions and sometimes even bans more than you would think. Every single infraction and even warning that's given out generates it's own discussion thread in a reports section, if we see an infraction that we find to be a bit harsh then we say it and discuss what we think would have been more fitting, or sometimes we reverse the infractions again I'm sure some members that has had infractions reversed can confirm this.You also have to remember that we don't just go into a thread, or see a report and immediately go and hand out an infraction for what was reported, we have to read back and see how things started, check if the reported comment was in reply to a baiting comment and so on.

Yes,I can confirm this, had a least one overturned,maybe more.

[Vicky.]

Omg this, I remember one time I posted a pic of a black lady and the reason for the infraction was "Don't push it" :joker:

You replied with a photo of a black woman to a post of josys that said

Hayden stop with the gifs



Surely it was self explanatory?

(proof above that every infraction has its own thread actually, as I couldn't have remembered that :laugh: )

[Vicky.]

Also most of them that say that are self explanatory. Just I used yours as an example :p

Like, why put 'baiting' or something when you are obviously going to know what you did wrong anyway?

[Marsh.]

Every infraction has its own thread? :umm2:

[Headie]

You replied with a photo of a black woman to a post of josys that said





Surely it was self explanatory?

(proof above that every infraction has its own thread actually, as I couldn't have remembered that :laugh: )

A) This is not a gif http://i.imgur.com/jiCG31T.png
B) It wasn't nasty, rude or spamming just by posting that picture. If anything it was in a jokey way (another good example of blurred lines between jokes and people taking offense)
C) "Don't push it" really isn't professional (which is the point Smithy was raising)

Idrc about infractions or how they're dealt with anymore, since my last one expires tomorrow :laugh: I just came in here to agree with a post I agreed with.

I don't want to cause trouble so I'll leave the thread.

[Vicky.]

Every infraction has its own thread? :umm2:

Yup...as does every report. So when y'all revenge report people or just report silly little things because you dont like the poster, our 'new posts' gets spammed a lot :bored:

[Vicky.]

A) This is not a gif http://i.imgur.com/jiCG31T.png
B) It wasn't nasty, rude or spamming just by posting that picture. If anything it was in a jokey way (another good example of blurred lines between jokes and people taking offense)
C) "Don't push it" really isn't professional (which is the point Smithy was raising)

Idrc about infractions or how they're dealt with anymore, since my last one expires tomorrow :laugh: I just came in here to agree with a post I agreed with.

I don't want to cause trouble so I'll leave the thread.

Sorry, I only used yours as an example as thats the one I saw and it was easy to find as it was your last one :laugh:

[Smithy]

Also most of them that say that are self explanatory. Just I used yours as an example :p

Like, why put 'baiting' or something when you are obviously going to know what you did wrong anyway?

I just think it reflects better on the moderating team than a "no" which just isn't that professional

[Jay.]

Tbh I think the infraction system is a bit messy, and I hope this thread stays open so that we can discuss it like adults rather than someone close it because they don't like that members are wanting to have something change

I think the fact that there's no clear infraction system makes the whole thing a bit redundant, someone could get 1 point for baiting and someone else 2 points (because they were given by different mods) and the second person knocked into a ban because of it, I think we should be able to see the amount of points given and there should be a full list of infractionable offences and the # of points given when they're commited

It's really annoying when mods say "if xxx carries on I'm giving out straight bans" in no way is that ever fair and I've never seen it done on any other forums, I wouldn't have a problem with TiBB staff if there was a system like I mentioned before, because then you know even if a mod dislikes you, you're only getting the set amount of points rather than them upping it (even slightly) because they dislike you

I know what I'm trying to say but it's not coming out properly :fist:

A great method would be:

"Did you really mean it when you told Marsh he has squinty eyes?"
"No, I was joking, he knows that"
"Well I got a report, it seems to have offended someone"
"Oh sorry, I'll delete it, I won't tell him he has squinty eyes any more"

Verus

I am here for both of these, I think they could both work pretty well tbh.

[Marsh.]

Yup...as does every report. So when y'all revenge report people or just report silly little things because you dont like the poster, our 'new posts' gets spammed a lot :bored:

:joker: Oh my god.

It's a wonder there's enough room to store all the sh*t on this site.

[Josy]

Tbh I think the infraction system is a bit messy, and I hope this thread stays open so that we can discuss it like adults rather than someone close it because they don't like that members are wanting to have something change

I think the fact that there's no clear infraction system makes the whole thing a bit redundant, someone could get 1 point for baiting and someone else 2 points (because they were given by different mods) and the second person knocked into a ban because of it, I think we should be able to see the amount of points given and there should be a full list of infractionable offences and the # of points given when they're commited

It's really annoying when mods say "if xxx carries on I'm giving out straight bans" in no way is that ever fair and I've never seen it done on any other forums, I wouldn't have a problem with TiBB staff if there was a system like I mentioned before, because then you know even if a mod dislikes you, you're only getting the set amount of points rather than them upping it (even slightly) because they dislike you

I know what I'm trying to say but it's not coming out properly :fist:

I agree that the infraction system can be messy but to be honest there is never going to be a 'set' system that can work, especially on here, there still is set points but I personally tend to go by what infractions a member has had in the past, if you for example had 10 infractions for insulting others then I would be more inclined to give you higher points for an insult than I would for someone that had 1 infraction in the past for insults...

Theres so many members with different points and infraction reasons that to treat every single rule break for each member the same way would be extremely unfair.

If 2 people are infracted at the same time and one is pushed into a ban then all I can say is that it's entirely their own fault, they must have broken more rules in the past to have high enough points to be pushed into a ban.

The straight ban thing, it can be extremely frustrating if arguing continues when we have already given out infractions to some of the members involved and maybe already posted a warning in the thread, arguing doesn't just affect the members involved it is also unfair on members that just want to reply to the thread topic to have to keep scrolling through drama, so a straight ban is the next thing.

[Jay.]

Wait, are we not allowed to swear?! D:

or is swearing with the filter on okay? like with the ***'s

[Marsh.]

So basically we get treated for our past criminal record? D:

What happened to rehabilitation?

[LukeB]

jay what are you reading about swearing?

[Smithy]

I am going for a bath but i will reply when i get out Josy :flutter:

[Mokka]

So basically we get treated for our past criminal record? D:

What happened to rehabilitation?


That's a good question Marsh... when will you be rehabilitated? We are all waiting :laugh:

[Jay.]

jay what are you reading about swearing?

Yes but theres still the issue of stuff like, lets take the swear filter...

X says 'this is ****' breaking the filter

Y says 'you stupid motherfcking c unt, fcking dickheading wankface cumstain'

Both should get one points? Personally I don't think thats fair either.

[Dollface]

Wait, are we not allowed to swear?! D:

or is swearing with the filter on okay? like with the ***'s

oh ****

[Marsh.]

That's a good question Marsh... when will you be rehabilitated? We are all waiting :laugh:

:fist:

[Marsh.]

.

It's if you break the filter.

But I've seen mods do that so I don't think they treat that rule as strict as the others.

[Jay.]

It's if you break the filter.

But I've seen mods do that so I don't think they treat that rule as strict as the others.

But how is saying **** breaking the filter? :worry:

[Marsh.]

But how is saying **** breaking the filter? :worry:

True. :think: You've spotted an error in Vicky's logic again.

SackVicky

[Vicky.]

But how is saying **** breaking the filter? :worry:

Its not :laugh:

If you purposely miss out letters (much like I did in my sweary post example) then its purposely avoiding the swear filter that James saw fit to install.

My views on the filter are pretty well known, but I respect that James thinks it helps keep the forum a nicer place :tongue:

[Marsh.]

Now Vicky's disagreeing with the boss.

SackVicky.

[Jay.]

Its not :laugh:

If you purposely miss out letters (much like I did in my sweary post example) then its purposely avoiding the swear filter that James saw fit to install.

My views on the filter are pretty well known, but I respect that James thinks it helps keep the forum a nicer place :tongue:

Oh thank god :joker:

Since we're giving ideas and stuff, could we maybe not have it so you could turn on/off the swear filter yourself? Because I think people would be able to judge if they would be happy seeing swear words or not..

An old forum I went on, made for teenagers, they even had it :think:

[Josy]

We should just ban Marsh

[Marsh.]

We should just ban Marsh

:shocked:

[Vicky.]

This has been asked before and apparently an optional filter is incompatible with the forum. Because the filter is applied when the post is made, rather than its being read...or something like that

[Jay.]

Josy bringing possibly the best idea to this thread? :clap1:

[Marsh.]

*joins the weaves*

[Jay.]

This has been asked before and apparently an optional filter is incompatible with the forum. Because the filter is applied when the post is made, rather than its being read...or something like that

Ohh, that's quite annoying :worry:

[arista]

We should just ban Marsh


No he is OK

[Iceman]

No he is OK

Oh dear. Sarcasm Arista. Sarcasm.

[Mokka]

*joins the weaves*

Don't do that Marsh... join the green guy... he wants you on his team

[arista]

Oh dear. Sarcasm Arista. Sarcasm.


No he is a OK Lad

[armand.kay]

*joins the weaves*

*Leaves*

[LukeB]

I should just ban myself

yes:smug:

[Josy]

No he is a OK Lad

Yes

We know

It was a joke

Is life in the fast lane getting too much for you Arista?

[Marsh.]

*Leaves*

You're not in them hun. :fan:

[Iceman]

No he is a OK Lad

It

Was

Sarcasm

Better

Now?

[Marsh.]

Yes

We know

It was a joke

Is life in the fast lane getting too much for you Arista?

:joker:

[arista]

Yes

We know

It was a joke

Is life in the fast lane getting too much for you Arista?


I knew it was a Joke
I trust you.


Life is Faster than Ever
China is so Busy building Parts

[Niamh.]

Yeah, the number of warnings/infractions I get that say....

"baiting"
"baiting again"
"baiting AGAIN"
"stop this baiting now"

is ridiculous.

I bait like once every six months when I'm bored. :idc: The rest of the time I'm joking with people and they take it as a joke. :hmph:

You think they're taking it as a joke but 9 times out of 10 the post you're infracted for has been reported and brought to the mods attention by the person who is supposedly in on the joke :laugh:

[Mystic Mock]

I know, I was banned from a build up of infractions, one of them was a 100% wrongful infraction. This thread isn't about the ban, I don't care about being banned for one day, this is about a bigger issue.

Tbh I had this happen to me the once.

I normally can understand my infractions, but when I got infracted for jokingly calling Katie Hopkins fans "UKIP Chavs" and I asked them why I got infracted for it, they didn't reverse it, and they didn't even respond to me.

[Conzors]

what is the point of this?
if you hate it? leave.

rules are rules. people are here to enforce them.

leave it out.

[Vicky.]

Tbh I had this happen to me the once.

I normally can understand my infractions, but when I got infracted for jokingly calling Katie Hopkins fans "UKIP Chavs" and I asked them why I got infracted for it, they didn't reverse it, and they didn't even respond to me.

Yes, but its ALWAYS been a rule on here not to insult fans? Can you say that every hopkins fan on the forum would have taken being called a chav as a joke? Especially the more sensitive bb only posters...

[Liam-]

Tbh I had this happen to me the once.

I normally can understand my infractions, but when I got infracted for jokingly calling Katie Hopkins fans "UKIP Chavs" and I asked them why I got infracted for it, they didn't reverse it, and they didn't even respond to me.

Yeah, that's a perfectly reasonable reason to get infracted for :laugh:

[Conzors]

jokes are based on opinions. some find them funny and some dont. if your breaking the rules by telling the joke then ofcourse you deserve the punishment!

it just comes as a side of telling the joke

[Marsh.]

You think they're taking it as a joke but 9 times out of 10 the post you're infracted for has been reported and brought to the mods attention by the person who is supposedly in on the joke :laugh:

We've moved on now. :hmph:

[Cherie]

You think they're taking it as a joke but 9 times out of 10 the post you're infracted for has been reported and brought to the mods attention by the person who is supposedly in on the joke :laugh:

:laugh: Morsh is probably drawing up a grid now and cross referencing it to pin down the culprits :fan:

[Marsh.]

:laugh: Morsh is probably drawing up a grid now and cross referencing it to pin down the culprits :fan:

I know who they are. :suspect:

[Jay.]

:laugh: Morsh is probably drawing up a grid now and cross referencing it to pin down the culprits :fan:

:joker::joker:

[LukeB]

I remember posting GoT pic which had a breast on, they got deleted but i got away with no infractions :fan:

[Niamh.]

We've moved on now. :hmph:

Well, I'm late to the party and playing catch up so you're just going to have to suck it up :fist:

[Cherie]

I know who they are. :suspect:

I thought I had covered my tracks :fan:

[Cherie]

I remember posting GoT pic which had a breast on, they got deleted but i got away with no infractions :fan:


Good times :smug:

[Marsh.]

I remember posting GoT pic which had a breast on, they got deleted but i got away with no infractions :fan:

But poor MB was hung, drawn and quartered for flashing Amma's vag from BB2.

[arista]

what is the point of this?
if you hate it? leave.

rules are rules. people are here to enforce them.

leave it out.


You Are Most Wise Conzors

[Mystic Mock]

Yes, but its ALWAYS been a rule on here not to insult fans? Can you say that every hopkins fan on the forum would have taken being called a chav as a joke? Especially the more sensitive bb only posters...

Well no they didn't, but should I still get infracted for something that was a joke because some people took offense to it?

[Mystic Mock]

jokes are based on opinions. some find them funny and some dont. if your breaking the rules by telling the joke then ofcourse you deserve the punishment!

it just comes as a side of telling the joke

So just because some people took the joke overly sensitively, we all have to pay the price for it? How is that even fair?

[Josy]

So just because some people took the joke overly sensitively, we all have to pay the price for it? How is that even fair?

Mock this isn't a thread to bring up your infractions.

And as Vicky said you insulted fans of a housemate, that's a rule break whether you claim it to be a joke or not.

[Mystic Mock]

Mock this isn't a thread to bring up your infractions.

And as Vicky said you insulted fans of a housemate, that's a rule break whether you claim it to be a joke or not.

This thread is to do with infractions, so an infraction that I didn't deserve that also never got reversed is relevant to the thread.

And how is a joke insulting to the fans? A lot of people at the time was even laughing about it, if I remember correctly only 2 or 3 of them even took offense to it.

[Josy]

This thread is to do with infractions, so an infraction that I didn't deserve that also never got reversed is relevant to the thread.

And how is a joke insulting to the fans? A lot of people at the time was even laughing about it, if I remember correctly only 2 or 3 of them even took offense to it.

Its a discussion about infractions in general, it's not a thread for you to bring up any infractions that you have a problem with, an infraction from months ago too that you could have pmed a mod about at the time if you wanted to discuss it.

[Mystic Mock]

Its a discussion about infractions in general, it's not a thread for you to bring up any infractions that you have a problem with, an infraction from months ago too that you could have pmed a mod about at the time if you wanted to discuss it.

I did and nobody discussed it with me at the time.

[Josy]

I did and nobody discussed it with me at the time.

Then we clearly never felt it needed to be discussed, more than likely because it is a rule break no matter how you try to cover it up by claiming it was a joke.

[Liam-]

You insulted fans, that's an infraction worthy rule break, get over it :shrug:

[Niamh.]

So basically we get treated for our past criminal record? D:

What happened to rehabilitation?

If you were rehabilitated you wouldn't have to worry about your past record would you? :hehe:

[Mystic Mock]

You insulted fans, that's an infraction worthy rule break, get over it :shrug:

It's not if it was a joke, I mean that's just common sense that most Forums use, including this one normally.:joker:

And Josy it should've been discussed when most of the Forum was laughing at the post, because guess what? They took it as a joke instead of someone just having some personal vendetta against Perez fans at the time and saw it as a way to strike.

[Liam-]

I have to say, i remember reporting that post, not because you were a Perez fan, that didn't bother me, the comment itself bothered me, if you meant it as a joke, it was a greatly misjudged and offensive one which didn't seem like a joke at all.

[Josy]

It's not if it was a joke, I mean that's just common sense that most Forums use, including this one normally.:joker:

And Josy it should've been discussed when most of the Forum was laughing at the post, because guess what? They took it as a joke instead of someone just having some personal vendetta against Perez fans at the time and saw it as a way to strike.

One person laughed Mock

It was during on season and we were probably busy, if you wanted a reply that much you should have pmed one of us however you would have been told exactly what myself and Vicky have told you in this thread.

[Mystic Mock]

I have to say, i remember reporting that post, not because you were a Perez fan, that didn't bother me, the comment itself bothered me, if you meant it as a joke, it was a greatly misjudged and offensive one which didn't seem like a joke at all.

No but I remember you being very caught up at the time though and may have just saw it as a personal attack.

Imo when people are getting all carried away like that is when the Mods should step in and have a look at the context first, instead of just infracting and then when I try to explain myself back to them, they don't reply.

[Vicky.]

Joking with friends is a world away from joking with people you don't know.

We can generally tell the difference. With 'in jokes' we do often ignore insults and stuff unless the person on the recieving end reports.

[Liam-]

No but I remember you being very caught up at the time though and may have just saw it as a personal attack.

Imo when people are getting all carried away like that is when the Mods should step in and have a look at the context first, instead of just infracting and then when I try to explain myself back to them, they don't reply.

It was a personal attack on Hopkins fans, hence why it was reported and you got infracted for it, don't try and swing it around on the people who got offended :suspect:

[Mystic Mock]

One person laughed Mock

It was during on season and we were probably busy, if you wanted a reply that much you should have pmed one of us however you would have been told exactly what myself and Vicky have told you in this thread.

That you get infracted for a joke? Even though everyone would probably be banned on here by now (including myself) if all "offensive" jokes was to be taken literally within the rules.

There's no excuses here, it should've been reversed.

[Josy]

Are you seriously not reading what we have said?

[Mystic Mock]

It was a personal attack on Hopkins fans, hence why it was reported and you got infracted for it, don't try and swing it around on the people who got offended :suspect:

You do realise that a personal attack actually has to mean that the member is meaning the attack right?:joker:

And Mods seem to just infract anyone that gets reported which is a bit silly, and as I've already said a lot of Hopkins fans was on edge in that series because everybody elses fans hated their favourite, and imo I think some of them couldn't handle the Forum jokes very well as I remember that 10 page thread that also got shut down on me because I dared to call Perez "Jesus" or the time when he survived against Nadia and how I apparently was "disrespecting Freddie Mercury's name" by saying we are the champions.

But back on my original issue, having a joke shouldn't get you infracted, otherwise we all would've been infracted at some point with our jokes because they've offended people.

[Mystic Mock]

Are you seriously not reading what we have said?

I have, and you all are point blank refusing to back down on something that you all know that you overreacted over.

[Jessica.]

See people, my dislike for Mock wasn't unfounded, once you engage him he doesn't quit. :inamood:

[Vicky.]

I have, and you all are point blank refusing to back down on something that you all know that you overreacted over.

Refusing to back down for one of the most obviously justified infractions we gave out last BB? :hehe:

[Liam-]

Mock just stop now, you're just rambling :laugh:

You insulted fans, in a way that obviously wasn't seen as a 'joke' - like you say it was meant to be - and got rightfully infracted for it, stop trying to blame everyone else.

[Josy]

I have, and you all are point blank refusing to back down on something that you all know that you overreacted over.

Okay, I'm breaking this down for you one last time..

You broke a rule, it doesnt matter if you claim that it was a joke as it was still a rule break, you offended other members with the comment that you posted and the last 2 infractions you have on your profile before the one you are going on about now where for discussing fans so you knew before you even posted the 'joke' that you were breaking a rule.

[Marsh.]

If you were rehabilitated you wouldn't have to worry about your past record would you? :hehe:

Josy? Niamh keeps bumping my posts and making me look a fool. Ban ha

[Mystic Mock]

See people, my dislike for Mock wasn't unfounded, once you engage him he doesn't quit. :inamood:

:joker:

Tbf though the Mods and Admin don't like people causing trouble over infractions on the Forum, yet they don't engage with the members that do try to PM them over the issue, and then come up with rules that don't exist to excuse their mistake.:joker:

[Josy]

Mock you never pmed any of us about your infraction..

Moving on..

[Jessica.]

Oh my god. :worry:

[Vicky.]

:joker:

Tbf though the Mods and Admin don't like people causing trouble over infractions on the Forum, yet they don't engage with the members that do try to PM them over the issue, and then come up with rules that don't exist to excuse their mistake.:joker:

J

Do not insult fans of housemates. It is fine to insult housemates, to a certain extent...as long as it is not too over the top (eg. $^&%*%(% is such a fat ugly horrible bitch, I wish she would just die a horrible and painful death) but insulting fans, counts as insulting other FMs. This includes stereotyping fans (IE. all &^%&*$%&^ fans are shallow) and accusing people of jumping on bandwagons, just because they like someone you do not.


.

[Mystic Mock]

Mock just stop now, you're just rambling :laugh:

You insulted fans, in a way that obviously wasn't seen as a 'joke' - like you say it was meant to be - and got rightfully infracted for it, stop trying to blame everyone else.

How is it rightfully infracted if the Mods made a mistake once I explained it to them, that's the whole point of reversing the infraction system isn't it?

[Liam-]

Ban him

[Marsh.]

Can I just point out the irony of Hopkin's fans taking offence to a blunt comment made in jest. :)

[Niamh.]

Mock that infraction wouldn't have been discussed because it was one of the most clear cut and agreed upon infractions ever given, seriously let it go :laugh:

[Mystic Mock]

Refusing to back down for one of the most obviously justified infractions we gave out last BB? :hehe:

Now the smiley even gives it away that you're winding up with this comment.:joker:

[Josy]

And this people is the kind of thing we have to deal with...

[Smithy]

Mock can you just shut up and get over it, odds are the infraction has expired by now so I'm not entirely sure why you feel the need to drag it all up now

I agree that the infraction system can be messy but to be honest there is never going to be a 'set' system that can work, especially on here, there still is set points but I personally tend to go by what infractions a member has had in the past, if you for example had 10 infractions for insulting others then I would be more inclined to give you higher points for an insult than I would for someone that had 1 infraction in the past for insults...

Theres so many members with different points and infraction reasons that to treat every single rule break for each member the same way would be extremely unfair.

If 2 people are infracted at the same time and one is pushed into a ban then all I can say is that it's entirely their own fault, they must have broken more rules in the past to have high enough points to be pushed into a ban.

The straight ban thing, it can be extremely frustrating if arguing continues when we have already given out infractions to some of the members involved and maybe already posted a warning in the thread, arguing doesn't just affect the members involved it is also unfair on members that just want to reply to the thread topic to have to keep scrolling through drama, so a straight ban is the next thing.

I can understand why you'd do that, but i don't really think it's fair, I have 16 pages of infractions, so a lot of them are going to be for varying offences, does that mean that all my infractions are going to be higher?

I think you need to treat every reported post or potentially infractionable post completely separate to past infracted posts by the member whose potentially being infracted (i hope I'm making sense i feel like I'm just rambling :joker:), that way noone can accuse mods of being bias or kicking up a fuss, because it's all completely fair, whether the infraction is given by someone who dislikes the member, or someone who loves the member

I think if we have a set system where the infraction points are clearer, and posting bans are longer we'd have a lot less infracted posts because people will be off the site for a lot longer

Again, i get why it's frustrating but threatening bans outright is unfair, I honestly just think one warning should be made in bold and if after that it doesn't end just infract every single post that carries it on, sooner or later (if they're banned) they'll get the message

[Liam-]

Can I just point out the irony of Hopkin's fans taking offence to a blunt comment made in jest. :)

Neither the time nor the place Marshall :hmph:

[Kyle]

Mock what have you been eating the last few weeks seriously?

[Mystic Mock]

Mock you never pmed any of us about your infraction..

Moving on..

So Marc's not a Mod?

[Marsh.]

Neither the time nor the place Marshall :hmph:

:smug:

[Vicky.]

Mock can you just shut up and get over it, odds are the infraction has expired by now so I'm not entirely sure why you feel the need to drag it all up now



I can understand why you'd do that, but i don't really think it's fair, I have 16 pages of infractions, so a lot of them are going to be for varying offences, does that mean that all my infractions are going to be higher?

I think you need to treat every reported post or potentially infractionable post completely separate to past infracted posts by the member whose potentially being infracted (i hope I'm making sense i feel like I'm just rambling :joker:), that way noone can accuse mods of being bias or kicking up a fuss, because it's all completely fair, whether the infraction is given by someone who dislikes the member, or someone who loves the member

I think if we have a set system where the infraction points are clearer, and posting bans are longer we'd have a lot less infracted posts because people will be off the site for a lot longer

Again, i get why it's frustrating but threatening bans outright is unfair, I honestly just think one warning should be made in bold and if after that it doesn't end just infract every single post that carries it on, sooner or later (if they're banned) they'll get the message
Nooo I think you misunderstood that. Its more a case of...if you had 4/5 infractions for insulting people over the past week, then you insulted someone again, you would get more points as you are obviously ignoring warnings and stuff. Infractions from ages ago don't matter.

[Josy]

So Marc's not a Mod?

Marc isn't here, we are answering you and you never pmed any of us.

You are ruining this thread that was in fact a decent discussion btw before you selfishly wanted to bring up your own infraction from 3 months ago.

[Niamh.]

Mock can you just shut up and get over it, odds are the infraction has expired by now so I'm not entirely sure why you feel the need to drag it all up now



I can understand why you'd do that, but i don't really think it's fair, I have 16 pages of infractions, so a lot of them are going to be for varying offences, does that mean that all my infractions are going to be higher?

I think you need to treat every reported post or potentially infractionable post completely separate to past infracted posts by the member whose potentially being infracted (i hope I'm making sense i feel like I'm just rambling :joker:), that way noone can accuse mods of being bias or kicking up a fuss, because it's all completely fair, whether the infraction is given by someone who dislikes the member, or someone who loves the member

I think if we have a set system where the infraction points are clearer, and posting bans are longer we'd have a lot less infracted posts because people will be off the site for a lot longer

Again, i get why it's frustrating but threatening bans outright is unfair, I honestly just think one warning should be made in bold and if after that it doesn't end just infract every single post that carries it on, sooner or later (if they're banned) they'll get the message


I have to disagree with that, I think if a person is constantly doing the same thing and basically ignoring all the warnings and previous infractions for the same thing, you have to start upping their points or instantly banning (which we very rarely do btw)

[Mystic Mock]

Can I just point out the irony of Hopkin's fans taking offence to a blunt comment made in jest. :)

I know and it's ridiculous that even after the show is over they can't just admit to making a mistake and that they overreacted.:joker:

This was only suppose to be quick to get it all sorted, but they won't back down at all.

Yes my other two infractions before that was deserved Josy as they wasn't jokes, but that one was, but by your definition then all posts that get reported should result in an infraction, including the ones that have got reversed.

[Kazanne]

:joker:

Tbf though the Mods and Admin don't like people causing trouble over infractions on the Forum, yet they don't engage with the members that do try to PM them over the issue, and then come up with rules that don't exist to excuse their mistake.:joker:

C'mon Mock,calm down ,I was a KH fan as you know and I remember thinking at the time the cheeky sod I am no chav,I may have even posted about it,you would have been offended I am sure if I had called Perez fans a bunch of nutters etc,fans wont find that funny .

[Ninastar]

Ban all the whiners!!!!

[Vicky.]

I know and it's ridiculous that even after the show is over they can't just admit to making a mistake and that they overreacted.:joker:

This was only suppose to be quick to get it all sorted, but they won't back down at all.

Yes my other two infractions before that was deserved Josy as they wasn't jokes, but that one was, but by your definition then all posts that get reported should result in an infraction, including the ones that have got reversed.

Because we werent wrong, and you did insult people :shrug:

Also I say that as a Perez fan, if that matters..as it appears it does

[Mystic Mock]

Mock that infraction wouldn't have been discussed because it was one of the most clear cut and agreed upon infractions ever given, seriously let it go :laugh:

But how when I explained it at the time? And other members even thinking that you know who was overreacting, trust me I know as I've had PM's about it.

[Kazanne]

Can I just point out the irony of Hopkin's fans taking offence to a blunt comment made in jest. :)

Be quiet you or I will switch off your oxygen tank:hehe:

[Liam-]

I once got an infraction for calling someone a hypocrite, i wonder if i can appeal this now even though it was from when i first joined :think:

[Marsh.]

Be quiet you or I will switch off your oxygen tank:hehe:

:joker:

[Firewire]

god this thread is a mess

[Marsh.]

I once got an infraction for calling someone a hypocrite, i wonder if i can appeal this now even though it was from when i first joined :think:

Josy probably deserved it.

[Marsh.]

god this thread is a mess

You should've seen it two hours ago. :hehe:

[Liam-]

Josy probably deserved it.

It wasn't Josy :nono:

[Smithy]

Nooo I think you misunderstood that. Its more a case of...if you had 4/5 infractions for insulting people over the past week, then you insulted someone again, you would get more points as you are obviously ignoring warnings and stuff. Infractions from ages ago don't matter.
Oh ok :laugh:
I have to disagree with that, I think if a person is constantly doing the same thing and basically ignoring all the warnings and previous infractions for the same thing, you have to start upping their points or instantly banning (which we very rarely do btw)

Well i think the best thing to do is to increase the ban time, people aren't too bothered about being banned if it's only for a day, increase it to a week/two/ 30 days and they'll definitely tone it down

If you have a set system people will learn to follow the rules, If someones had a few infractions recently and they're not entirely sure how many points they are away from a ban, sometimes you can just get wound up enough and snap at members, leading to a higher point infraction and thus to a ban, which they wouldn't necessarily have got if they'd have known how many points they were going to get

(am i making sense i honestly just feel like I'm rambling :joker::joker: SEE THIS IS WHAT I MEANT IN THE LOUNGE LAST NIGHT WHEN I SAID I WAS ARTICULATE ENOUGH TO PUT MY POINT ACROSS)

[Niamh.]

But how when I explained it at the time? And other members even thinking that you know who was overreacting, trust me I know as I've had PM's about it.

Just because you explained it doesn't mean we agree with your explanation, insulting fans of HMs isn't ok if you add "lol" at the end :laugh:

[Kazanne]

:joker:

:joker: just doing my KH impression:hehe:

[Mystic Mock]

Marc isn't here, we are answering you and you never pmed any of us.

You are ruining this thread that was in fact a decent discussion btw before you selfishly wanted to bring up your own infraction from 3 months ago.

How is it selfish being on topic about the infraction system needing some improvement, and the people complaining about this have had harsh infractions why else would this thread have been created otherwise?

Don't just attack me for it just because you don't like me challenging an infraction that it seems like you're so personally offended by being challenged.

[Smithy]

MOCK GO AND MAKE YOUR OWN THREAD ABOUT YOUR INFRACTION GET OUT OF THIS ONE gOD

[Marsh.]

Oh ok :laugh:


Well i think the best thing to do is to increase the ban time, people aren't too bothered about being banned if it's only for a day, increase it to a week/two/ 30 days and they'll definitely tone it down

If you have a set system people will learn to follow the rules, If someones had a few infractions recently and they're not entirely sure how many points they are away from a ban, sometimes you can just get wound up enough and snap at members, leading to a higher point infraction and thus to a ban, which they wouldn't necessarily have got if they'd have known how many points they were going to get

(am i making sense i honestly just feel like I'm rambling :joker::joker: SEE THIS IS WHAT I MEANT IN THE LOUNGE LAST NIGHT WHEN I SAID I WAS ARTICULATE ENOUGH TO PUT MY POINT ACROSS)

But surely that's a bit sneaky. Allowing people to calculate how much they can get away with. :laugh:

[Liam-]

You know those straight bans you were talking about earlier?.. :hehe:

[Amy Jade]

I tend to always agree with my infractions, I think I debated one and that was it. I deserved the rest probably, I was on my period the last time I got them so I just dpend less time here when I'm on.

[LukeB]

I agree with Smithy, Ban's should be longer than a day.

because 1 day is like getting a detention at school... that doesn't stop people from getting another or change their behaviour.

[Smithy]

But surely that's a bit sneaky. Allowing people to calculate how much they can get away with. :laugh:

People won't cause half as much drama if they know they'll be banned soon :shrug:

[Marsh.]

Can I just point out the irony if Mock gets an infraction for this infraction rant. :)

[Mystic Mock]

C'mon Mock,calm down ,I was a KH fan as you know and I remember thinking at the time the cheeky sod I am no chav,I may have even posted about it,you would have been offended I am sure if I had called Perez fans a bunch of nutters etc,fans wont find that funny .

If you put it in a context that was meant to be humourous I honestly would've laughed.

[Smithy]

I tend to always agree with my infractions, I think I debated one and that was it. I deserved the rest probably, I was on my period the last time I got them so I just dpend less time here when I'm on.
:joker::joker:

[Vicky.]

Oh ok :laugh:


Well i think the best thing to do is to increase the ban time, people aren't too bothered about being banned if it's only for a day, increase it to a week/two/ 30 days and they'll definitely tone it down

If you have a set system people will learn to follow the rules, If someones had a few infractions recently and they're not entirely sure how many points they are away from a ban, sometimes you can just get wound up enough and snap at members, leading to a higher point infraction and thus to a ban, which they wouldn't necessarily have got if they'd have known how many points they were going to get

(am i making sense i honestly just feel like I'm rambling :joker::joker: SEE THIS IS WHAT I MEANT IN THE LOUNGE LAST NIGHT WHEN I SAID I WAS ARTICULATE ENOUGH TO PUT MY POINT ACROSS)
My suggestion for a system a while back when this was discussed in admin was this (obviously it only works for things people do regularly...)

Say spamming. Once would get a warning, second time would be a straight ban. Third a longer ban, and so on. Slate gets wiped clean if it doesnt happen for a few months.

Same goes for insults, and all other regular rulebreaks

I think that was deemed unworkable though.

[Amy Jade]

Just after I submitted that I realized how tmi it is oh well

[Marsh.]

I tend to always agree with my infractions, I think I debated one and that was it. I deserved the rest probably, I was on my period the last time I got them so I just dpend less time here when I'm on.

TMI love.

[Kazanne]

To be honest if I have a gripe I PM a mod and sort stuff out,not been ignored to my knowlege

[Liam-]

I only ever talked to a mod about 1 infraction tmk and they got back to me and we had a discussion about it :shrug:

[Marsh.]

To be honest if I have a gripe I PM a mod and sort stuff out,not been ignored to my knowlege

I'm always ignored if I'm honest.

[Smithy]

My suggestion for a system a while back when this was discussed in admin was this (obviously it only works for things people do regularly...)

Say spamming. Once would get a warning, second time would be a straight ban. Third a longer ban, and so on. Slate gets wiped clean if it doesnt happen for a few months.

Same goes for insults, and all other regular rulebreaks

I think that was deemed unworkable though.

There'd be like 4 members posting if that was the case :laugh:

[Mystic Mock]

Because we werent wrong, and you did insult people :shrug:

Also I say that as a Perez fan, if that matters..as it appears it does

1. Yes it was
2. No I didn't because it was a joke, only this Forum could try and fight over a joke resulting in an infraction, people got overly sensitive, and reported it, which in my original point is where the infraction system goes horribly wrong.

[Amy Jade]

TMI love.

Your wife bleeds too!

[Niamh.]

Oh ok :laugh:


Well i think the best thing to do is to increase the ban time, people aren't too bothered about being banned if it's only for a day, increase it to a week/two/ 30 days and they'll definitely tone it down

If you have a set system people will learn to follow the rules, If someones had a few infractions recently and they're not entirely sure how many points they are away from a ban, sometimes you can just get wound up enough and snap at members, leading to a higher point infraction and thus to a ban, which they wouldn't necessarily have got if they'd have known how many points they were going to get

(am i making sense i honestly just feel like I'm rambling :joker::joker: SEE THIS IS WHAT I MEANT IN THE LOUNGE LAST NIGHT WHEN I SAID I WAS ARTICULATE ENOUGH TO PUT MY POINT ACROSS)

Yes, I do understood what you're saying, longer bans may be something to think about but I mean you can see by this thread alone what we're dealing with :laugh: People are never going to be happy no matter what we do.

[Marsh.]

Your wife bleeds too!

I'm not married. :smug:

mention my mum and I'll kill you

[Liam-]

Mock, why do you get to decide if people are being 'overly sensitive'?

[Mystic Mock]

I once got an infraction for calling someone a hypocrite, i wonder if i can appeal this now even though it was from when i first joined :think:

:joker:

And that actually is against the rules.

[Smithy]

1. Yes it was
2. No I didn't because it was a joke, only this Forum could try and fight over a joke resulting in an infraction, people got overly sensitive, and reported it, which in my original point is where the infraction system goes horribly wrong.

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[Kazanne]

If you put it in a context that was meant to be humourous I honestly would've laughed.

Maybe so but we are not all going to find it funny,but it's done now,dont you be getting angry over it,just chill,we'll all be at it again soon.

[Liam-]

:joker:

And that actually is against the rules.

So is insulting fans :smug:

[Marsh.]

Mock, take over Josy's inbox and not Jessica's thread.

[Vicky.]

1. Yes it was
2. No I didn't because it was a joke, only this Forum could try and fight over a joke resulting in an infraction, people got overly sensitive, and reported it, which in my original point is where the infraction system goes horribly wrong.

Have you realized yet that noone is agreeing with you? Even those who have openly stated on here that there is problems with the system?

You seem to have a bee in your bonnet about something that you did wrong and got pulled up on. Saying something is a joke doesn't make it a joke. Its unfortunate that your post was taken the wrong way, but as I said before, jokes are best kept between friends...when you add strangers to the mix, some may get offended. It was a clear rule break (I have posted the actual rule in this thread after you accused us of making it up) and it will not be reversed. Plus, it was like 3 months ago. Please just get over it and dont do it again D:

[LukeB]

Infraction/1 day ban is nothing at the end of the day :laugh:

[Josy]

Oh ok :laugh:


Well i think the best thing to do is to increase the ban time, people aren't too bothered about being banned if it's only for a day, increase it to a week/two/ 30 days and they'll definitely tone it down

If you have a set system people will learn to follow the rules, If someones had a few infractions recently and they're not entirely sure how many points they are away from a ban, sometimes you can just get wound up enough and snap at members, leading to a higher point infraction and thus to a ban, which they wouldn't necessarily have got if they'd have known how many points they were going to get

(am i making sense i honestly just feel like I'm rambling :joker::joker: SEE THIS IS WHAT I MEANT IN THE LOUNGE LAST NIGHT WHEN I SAID I WAS ARTICULATE ENOUGH TO PUT MY POINT ACROSS)

Hmm I don't know if I'm understanding you right but ban times do increase, they increase as the points increase if you get what I mean?

People knew how much they could push it when they knew how much points they had and then stopped to save themselves from a ban.

There is no way at all we can have a set amount of points for every single rule break, that would definitely be unfair as serial rule breakers would be getting the same punishments as people that barely break the rules.

[Mystic Mock]

Just because you explained it doesn't mean we agree with your explanation, insulting fans of HMs isn't ok if you add "lol" at the end :laugh:

It's not insulting fans if it's a joke though? That's not what you're getting, if 2 or 3 people took offense to it, it still doesn't stop it from being a joke and that it was harshly treated, just like whatever infraction that Jessica feels that she shouldn't have had.

[Vicky.]

There'd be like 4 members posting if that was the case :laugh:

Nah I don't think so, people would stop taking the piss. Remember back when we had the three strikes system which was far more harsh? Noone went on like they do now...

[Smithy]

Yes, I do understood what you're saying, longer bans may be something to think about but I mean you can see by this thread alone what we're dealing with :laugh: People are never going to be happy no matter what we do.

Yeah, and with the new infraction system he would have had one warning and after that one infraction per post afterwards for carrying on the drama, he'd probably in ban land right now instead of persistently derailing the thread

http://i.imgur.com/yhfquKu.jpg



a change is needed :laugh:

[Mystic Mock]

mock go and make your own thread about your infraction get out of this one god

it's to do with the topic, if you don't like it don't post on the thread.

[Amy Jade]

Mock, you were actually REALLY rude during CBB, I blocked you because of your comments about fans of certain housemates. You may have written them in jest but that doesn't mean people will take it as such.

[Mystic Mock]

Mock, why do you get to decide if people are being 'overly sensitive'?

Because that's what opinions are for? Just like you seem to think that the decision was okay.

[Liam-]

It's not insulting fans if it's a joke though? That's not what you're getting, if 2 or 3 people took offense to it, it still doesn't stop it from being a joke and that it was harshly treated, just like whatever infraction that Jessica feels that she shouldn't have had.

Let's play along and pretend that it was actually a joke then
Even if it was actually a 'joke' it was still offensive to a lot of people
You were reported for offending a lot of people
You were infracted for offending a lot of people because it was an obvious and clear rule break.

What's hard to understand about that? :laugh:

[Smithy]

Hmm I don't know if I'm understanding you right but ban times do increase, they increase as the points increase if you get what I mean?

People knew how much they could push it when they knew how much points they had and then stopped to save themselves from a ban.

There is no way at all we can have a set amount of points for every single rule break, that would definitely be unfair as serial rule breakers would be getting the same punishments as people that barely break the rules.

No, what i mean is, the current (first) ban time is one day, (which is when you get 9 points iirc?) anyway i think that should be drastically increased, maybe to a week or longer, that way people will tone down the behaviour because they know they're going to get banned for a lot longer than a day, i know when i get banned idgaf, I'm at work 10 hours a day, sleep 8 hours a day, so theres only really a 3/4 hour window where i can't post

So your first ban would be a week @ 9 points
2 weeks @ 15 points
30 days @ 20 points

etc etc

and re; it not being fair to people who don't break the rules, if they're not breaking the rules often, it's likely their infractions will expire before they get infracted again to take them to a ban, whereas people who do it a lot, would be banned for a lot longer for doing the same thing over and over

[Jay.]

Why is this thread going so off topic? :worry:

[Mystic Mock]

Have you realized yet that noone is agreeing with you? Even those who have openly stated on here that there is problems with the system?

You seem to have a bee in your bonnet about something that you did wrong and got pulled up on. Saying something is a joke doesn't make it a joke. Its unfortunate that your post was taken the wrong way, but as I said before, jokes are best kept between friends...when you add strangers to the mix, some may get offended. It was a clear rule break (I have posted the actual rule in this thread after you accused us of making it up) and it will not be reversed. Plus, it was like 3 months ago. Please just get over it and dont do it again D:

Ironically though a lot of these people have just said not to carry it over to the this thread (which I will stop with after this post) and a lot of the people that agreed with it have admitted to reporting me on it anyway.

I know of at least 4 to 5 people at the time at least that didn't agree with the overreaction, you're just looking at people on this thread.

But yes the Infraction system needs improving, it needs to not just go with the reporting system and sometimes the Mods step in of their own record sometimes.

[Josy]

No, what i mean is, the current (first) ban time is one day, (which is when you get 9 points iirc?) anyway i think that should be drastically increased, maybe to a week or longer, that way people will tone down the behaviour because they know they're going to get banned for a lot longer than a day, i know when i get banned idgaf, I'm at work 10 hours a day, sleep 8 hours a day, so theres only really a 3/4 hour window where i can't post

So your first ban would be a week @ 9 points
2 weeks @ 15 points
30 days @ 20 points

etc etc

and re; it not being fair to people who don't break the rules, if they're not breaking the rules often, it's likely their infractions will expire before they get infracted again to take them to a ban, whereas people who do it a lot, would be banned for a lot longer for doing the same thing over and over

Wait, so you are saying you think bans should be stricter?

I suppose something like that could work during off season but not during BB, things get very heated in there and sometimes a one day ban gives members enough time to calm down then they come back and actually discuss things like adults again.

[Vicky.]

Ironically though a lot of these people have just said not to carry it over to the this thread (which I will stop with after this post) and a lot of the people that agreed with it have admitted to reporting me on it anyway.

I know of at least 4 to 5 people at the time at least that didn't agree with the overreaction, you're just looking at people on this thread.

But yes the Infraction system needs improving, it needs to not just go with the reporting system and sometimes the Mods step in of their own record sometimes.

I dont understand this part?

I *think* you are making out we infract based on reports, which is not the case. We receive a report, check out the situation and decide whether a rule has been broken or not.

We also read threads randomly and if we see a rulebreak thats hasn't been reported, we can infract that too/delete/whatevers appropriate

[Mystic Mock]

Mock, you were actually REALLY rude during CBB, I blocked you because of your comments about fans of certain housemates. You may have written them in jest but that doesn't mean people will take it as such.

And I felt that you took every post really overly sensitive, not just mine but Josy's too, and Vanessa's.

Btw do you accept my apology that I made to you all those months ago?:laugh:

[Gstar]

Mods don't see the messages or have access to it but Admin read the message and one of Josy or James normally posts any responses that come through in the Towers section

Josy actually told me that if I swear or be rude to the tibb staff messages I could get banned but I carried on doing it and nothing ever happens/happened. I'm not putting Josy on blast because James needs to step ha pussy up too

[Vicky.]

I never thought I would see the day members were asking for longer bans tbh :laugh:

I kinda agree. But if we increased ban lengths, I doubt people would be happy about that either D:

[Mystic Mock]

Let's play along and pretend that it was actually a joke then
Even if it was actually a 'joke' it was still offensive to a lot of people
You were reported for offending a lot of people
You were infracted for offending a lot of people because it was an obvious and clear rule break.

What's hard to understand about that? :laugh:

Pretend?:laugh:

But is the infraction system going to change does anyone know? Will peoples suggestions actually be taken on board?

[Josy]

Josy actually told me that if I swear or be rude to the tibb staff messages I could get banned but I carried on doing it and nothing ever happens/happened. I'm not putting Josy on blast because James needs to step ha pussy up too

Lots of people do it, I just ignore to an extent but we get some really nasty ones that I do infract for.

Also James is here a hell of a lot more than most seem to think, just because he doesn't post a lot on the main forum doesn't mean he isn't around :laugh:

[Ninastar]

I never thought I would see the day members were asking for longer bans tbh :laugh:

I kinda agree. But if we increased ban lengths, I doubt people would be happy about that either D:

If it's for repeat offenders, I don't see why anyone would complain tbh