Grand National Race - Ch4HD 11/4/15

[arista]

Grand National Race - How many horses will Die?



A few
they always do.


But this is the Worlds Biggest Race Today
the money going in
and some of us Win.


So look at the Positives


Life In The Fast Lane

[empire]

grand national needs reformed, for the animals welfare, and health and safety needs, to be strict,

[arista]

grand national needs reformed, for the animals welfare, and health and safety needs, to be strict,


They are its go's out Live Worldwide

But every time they jump
errors happen


This is Big Money
Safety is top form

"Shut that Door" the Bloated BBC
keeps saying it will win?

[Crimson Dynamo]

last 2 years no horse has died

[MB.]

:umm2:

[user104658]

Err... "a few" don't "always" die? Occasionally there are deaths but certainly not every year. I think the course is already less brutal than it was once upon a time. It is quite gruesome when you see the camera pan over and there's a big lump lying under a sheet of plastic...

[Livia]

Those horses are some of the best cared for, best fed animals in the world. No one wants horses to die, and I expect the owners, trainers and jockeys feel the same. If the horses didn't want to run, they wouldn't. You'll notice when a jockey falls, most of the time the horse goes on to finish the race. I think there are many worthy animal welfare concerns, but that this isn't one of them.

[kirklancaster]

Mine - If it doesn't ******* win! I'll kill the twot.:D

[GypsyGoth]

I'm hoping for seven.

[kirklancaster]

I'm hoping for seven.

???????????????:laugh2::laugh2::laugh2:

[Livia]

I'm hoping for seven.

LOL... Gyps, you madwoman.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Rocky Creek will get round and is better than last year

[Josy]

No Idea, hopefully not the ones I'm betting on anyway




In all serious, I totally agree with Livia and TS in here.

[joeysteele]

Those horses are some of the best cared for, best fed animals in the world. No one wants horses to die, and I expect the owners, trainers and jockeys feel the same. If the horses didn't want to run, they wouldn't. You'll notice when a jockey falls, most of the time the horse goes on to finish the race. I think there are many worthy animal welfare concerns, but that this isn't one of them.

I have nothing more to add to this really,sums the whole thing up perfectly for me.

[Kizzy]

I'm a bit traumatised by this race if I'm honest, it was always on as a girl every year and it was horrendous watching them falling, I'm very glad they have made the course safer.

[JoshBB]

Yes animal safety should be considered more imo. If its a known thing that horses can die doing this surely that's a wake up call.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Yes animal safety should be considered more imo. If its a known thing that horses can die doing this surely that's a wake up call.

Horses can die trotting from paddock to stable on any road in the UK.

[Kizzy]

Good job potholes are way up there in UKIPs manifesto then :hehe:

[DemolitionRed]

The problem with valuable horses is, they only have to take a minor injury that could be problematic in the future for them to get the bullet. Horse racing is about big money and when someone who owns a valuable horse, if it takes an injury its more valuable dead that alive. Over the years I've seen too many unscrupulous vets write off a valuable animal far too quickly to ensure its owner gets fully compensated.

Race horses only lead a decent life whilst they can still race. Most are backed at two which is far too young and causes all sorts of future arthritic problems. Once a horse is deemed unfit for racing or like most of the youngsters, is written off as a none runner, it will either be sent to the abattoir or sold off for pocket money into the hands of some naive amateur who won't be able to handle it. Occasionally it will end up in good hands but not often. If its done well but ready to retire, it will be used at stud or sold on to the more amateur racing yards. Very few retired race horses are kept by their owners.

I've worked with horses most of my life, I've even worked for racing studs and I can say categorically that life for most race horses is usually short and merciless.

I've ridden race horses many times during the bringing up and letting down process. I would definitely say that these animals love the chase regardless of being racing fit. This is especially true when they are running with the herd, as they are within the racing arena. As for the GN steeplechase, its the most ultimate test for both horse and jockey because of the pure volume of runners hitting those fences at the same time. You only have to look at any still of horses going over Becher's Brook to see the fear on its face.

[arista]

I'm a bit traumatised by this race if I'm honest, it was always on as a girl every year and it was horrendous watching them falling, I'm very glad they have made the course safer.


Yes a Tradition
many horses can Die today Live
on Worldwide TV

[arista]

Yes animal safety should be considered more imo. If its a known thing that horses can die doing this surely that's a wake up call.


No Josh
this is a Mega Betting today
humans come first

[Crimson Dynamo]

Looking at some of the fat chavs at ladies day yesterday I know which ones I would rather put down

[T*]

Yes animal safety should be considered more imo. If its a known thing that horses can die doing this surely that's a wake up call.

People die in formula 1 and bike racing too; and it's made safer after every time it happens, It's the same in the Grand National.

[T*]

Those horses are some of the best cared for, best fed animals in the world. No one wants horses to die, and I expect the owners, trainers and jockeys feel the same. If the horses didn't want to run, they wouldn't. You'll notice when a jockey falls, most of the time the horse goes on to finish the race. I think there are many worthy animal welfare concerns, but that this isn't one of them.

basically this :clap2:

[arista]

Looking at some of the fat chavs at ladies day yesterday I know which ones I would rather put down



Yes they got told off for that display
of Sloppy

[Crimson Dynamo]

I hope we all have our bets placed?

[Anaesthesia]

Yup, game on. I love the National. Equine super-athletes at the top of their game.

[Northern Monkey]

Hopefully not mine!Or atleast waits til it gets over the finishing line:laugh:

[Anaesthesia]

Those horses are some of the best cared for, best fed animals in the world. No one wants horses to die, and I expect the owners, trainers and jockeys feel the same. If the horses didn't want to run, they wouldn't. You'll notice when a jockey falls, most of the time the horse goes on to finish the race. I think there are many worthy animal welfare concerns, but that this isn't one of them.

My daughter is hugely anti-Grand National. This is very similar to the argument I give to her. Note, when Marco Simoncelli died in MotoGP (someone I actually knew) she wasn't half as emotive as she is about the horses.

[Crimson Dynamo]

My daughter is hugely anti-Grand National. This is very similar to the argument I give to her. Note, when Marco Simoncelli died in MotoGP (someone I actually knew) she wasn't half as emotive as she is about the horses.

to be fair tho I dont think the horses chose to run..

[Tom4784]

Horses are evil.

[Anaesthesia]

to be fair tho I dont think the horses chose to run..

They don't, but it's what they are bred and trained for. They'll usually complete the course when they unseat. I know it's impossible to say whether or not they enjoy it, but in my experience (mostly with eventing, I admit), if they don't want to, they won't.

Opens up a whole can of worms I think as to whether horseracing / eventing / jumping / anything to do with equine sport can be justified. I think it can.

[arista]

Horses are evil.


They are not
you need therapy to get you over that.

[Kazanne]

I am against the Grand National,don't bet and don't watch,I believe one horse 'Seedling' died in one of the morning races,that's one too many for me.

[T*]

I am against the Grand National,don't bet and don't watch,I believe one horse 'Seedling' died in one of the morning races,that's one too many for me.

okay...

[T*]

Lmao they're singing with scouse accents

[arista]

start has a 5mins delay

[arista]

They are Off

[Anaesthesia]

Are you watching Arista? I got the impression you weren't so keen...

[arista]

3 down first fence

[arista]

Now horse without rider

[arista]

Are you watching Arista? I got the impression you weren't so keen...



Yes Ch4HD

[arista]

The horse with no rider is up front

[Ninastar]

come on Royale Knight!!!!

[T*]

one of the horses has apparently broken its leg and needs to be put down

[Ninastar]

ugh i regret watching this now

[arista]

one of the horses has apparently broken its leg and needs to be put down


Yes they keep that hidden

[arista]

Manny was whipping that winning horse Extra Hard

[Kazanne]

one of the horses has apparently broken its leg and needs to be put down

Okay

[Kazanne]

Manny was whipping that winning horse Extra Hard

Well as long as people make loads of money,that's all that matters:fist:

[arista]

Manny Clouds
was getting tired
so at the last 20seconds
he had to Whip it Extra Hard


Ch4HD doing better that BBC
showing the Winning horse getting buckets of water over it

[Anaesthesia]

Amazing result. Would never have guessed.

[Kazanne]

Has it finished yet?

[T*]

the horse i talked about earlier is up and moving! yay, no dead horses this year :love:

[arista]

Well as long as people make loads of money,that's all that matters:fist:


Kaz its Worldwide
the biggest ever.


Money matters.

That Trainner (Oliver Sherwood) of the winning horse
give him credit Kaz
he just said it did not matter if he won
all he wanted was his horse back in one piece

[arista]

Has it finished yet?


Yes but it gets a replay
after the ads


So BBC1HD women Vs men on the Boat Race

[Anaesthesia]

No dead horses. 3rd year running. Are there always loads?

[Crimson Dynamo]

i had many clouds last year

the last thing i said before the off was

"i hope many clouds does not win"

:facepalm:

[arista]

i had many clouds last year

the last thing i said before the off was

"i hope many clouds does not win"

:facepalm:


25-1

It was not expected to win

[Crimson Dynamo]

small boy LT had Alvarado e/w so he is in the money

[kirklancaster]

i had many clouds last year

the last thing i said before the off was

"i hope many clouds does not win"

:facepalm:

:joker: I didn't have it last year but I'm still sick LT because 'big horse racing expert' me drew a blank - Zilch - but my wife backed Many Clouds AND Alvarado both each way. :bawling:

I'll NEVER live this down.

[Crimson Dynamo]

:joker: I didn't have it last year but I'm still sick LT because 'big horse racing expert' me drew a blank - Zilch - but my wife backed Many Clouds AND Alvarado both each way. :bawling:

I'll NEVER live this down.


I was on Druids Nephew and it was cruising on the outside, just jumped in the lead and with a few to go ploughed through one and went down

aaaaarrrrrggggg

[Anaesthesia]

I was on Druid's nephew too...I did have a quid e/w on Alvarado, and fortunately on my work sweepstake had Saint Are...so I've only actually lost £4. Won £125 last year.

[kirklancaster]

I was on Druids Nephew and it was cruising on the outside, just jumped in the lead and with a few to go ploughed through one and went down

aaaaarrrrrggggg

I was watching with my mate and he backed Druids Nephew but he also backed Monbeg Dude so he wasn't too upset. Hard Luck LT - And you tipped Alvarado earlier this week so I thought you'd backed it. :shrug:

[kirklancaster]

I was on Druid's nephew too...I did have a quid e/w on Alvarado, and fortunately on my work sweepstake had Saint Are...so I've only actually lost £4. Won £125 last year.

Well done Annie - the begging letter's in the post for last year's win. :laugh:

[user104658]

Four middle-priced horses in the first four and the favourite in 5th = a decent day from the other side of the counter :joker:.

If fav or 2nd fav had won this year we would have been ****ed, people were throwing money at them.

[Kizzy]

The novice hurdler, Seedling died instantly after he hit and somersaulted over a large jump as he took part in the Mersey Novices Hurdle.

He tragically fell at the second to last on the third day of races at Aintree.

Thirteen other horses were entered into the race and all finished comfortably.

Some 39 horses raced in the Crabbie's Grand National where they were expected to jump 30 fences.

This year supporters of national campaign group Animal Aid led a protest against the death and injury of horses in such races.

Campaigners scaled the 4th plinth in London's Trafalgar Square to wrap Gift Horse, by Hans Haacke, in a banner that reads: "Horse Racing: You bet, they die."

http://www.express.co.uk/sport/horseracing/569858/Tragedy-on-Grand-National-Day-as-horse-Seedling-falls-at-hurdle-and-dies

[Suze]

The novice hurdler, Seedling died instantly after he hit and somersaulted over a large jump as he took part in the Mersey Novices Hurdle.

He tragically fell at the second to last on the third day of races at Aintree.

Thirteen other horses were entered into the race and all finished comfortably.

Some 39 horses raced in the Crabbie's Grand National where they were expected to jump 30 fences.

This year supporters of national campaign group Animal Aid led a protest against the death and injury of horses in such races.

Campaigners scaled the 4th plinth in London's Trafalgar Square to wrap Gift Horse, by Hans Haacke, in a banner that reads: "Horse Racing: You bet, they die."

http://www.express.co.uk/sport/horseracing/569858/Tragedy-on-Grand-National-Day-as-horse-Seedling-falls-at-hurdle-and-dies


:(

How is the horse Balthazar King, anyone know?

[arista]

The novice hurdler, Seedling died instantly after he hit and somersaulted over a large jump as he took part in the Mersey Novices Hurdle.

He tragically fell at the second to last on the third day of races at Aintree.

Thirteen other horses were entered into the race and all finished comfortably.

Some 39 horses raced in the Crabbie's Grand National where they were expected to jump 30 fences.

This year supporters of national campaign group Animal Aid led a protest against the death and injury of horses in such races.

Campaigners scaled the 4th plinth in London's Trafalgar Square to wrap Gift Horse, by Hans Haacke, in a banner that reads: "Horse Racing: You bet, they die."

http://www.express.co.uk/sport/horseracing/569858/Tragedy-on-Grand-National-Day-as-horse-Seedling-falls-at-hurdle-and-dies


Yes like my First Post
I said horses can Die

Its sad


but as a Grand National
Billions came in Worldwide
Cash matters more


Life In The Fast Lane

[Josy]

Yes it's obviously sad that a horse died.

Horses die every day though, racing or not, they can die or get injured and then have to be put to sleep even by galloping around happy in fields..

Protests like the one posted about above are pointless.

[Kizzy]

30 fences though? the horse that died had already jumped 27 fences.
And of 39 only 13 finished, it just seems like it's still too extreme a course even following recent modifications.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I was watching with my mate and he backed Druids Nephew but he also backed Monbeg Dude so he wasn't too upset. Hard Luck LT - And you tipped Alvarado earlier this week so I thought you'd backed it. :shrug:

i did for smallest boy LT

:cheer2:

[arista]

30 fences though? the horse that died had already jumped 27 fences.
And of 39 only 13 finished, it just seems like it's still too extreme a course even following recent modifications.


Yes it is
But Worldwide its Loved.

Look how the Winning horse got Water on it
they took great care with it.
The Horse was kept away from the enclosed show off area.


So good things do change , Kizzy dear.

[Josy]

30 fences though? the horse that died had already jumped 27 fences.
And of 39 only 13 finished, it just seems like it's still too extreme a course even following recent modifications.

The BHA and the universities and charities they work with obviously don't think it's too extreme a course, there's been a downward trend of injuries and deaths over the past 15 years so the modifications and work they are doing must be helping.

Every year around Grand National time all this stuff comes up and although I obviously feel bad for the horses that are injured or worse I just find it all so pointless, these horses are bred and reared to race, the injuries could happen even when a horse isn't racing and the sport is one of most regulated animal involved sports in the world.

[AnnieK]

30 fences though? the horse that died had already jumped 27 fences.
And of 39 only 13 finished, it just seems like it's still too extreme a course even following recent modifications.

Seedling died in a different race, not the national itself. The race he was running in, 14 horses were entered and 13 finished.

No fatalities in the Grand National, 19 horses finished but all horses and jockies were unscathed.

[arista]

Seedling died in a different race, not the national itself. The race he was running in, 14 horses were entered and 13 finished.

No fatalities in the Grand National, 19 horses finished but all horses and jockies were unscathed.



Thanks I edit the title