USA : Baltimore Riots : One Police Officer Charged with Murder

[arista]

1st Title:USA : Baltimore Riots :
At last a Mother Slapping her Son around his head


From Ch4HD News

A Cop said to the Ch4HDNews Lady Reporter
if only we had more mums like that


They showed a mother Slapping
her Son who had a Hoodie on
around his head
http://i.imgur.com/ZfUCxXO.gif

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/04/28/19/article-3059073-281C701B00000578-502_964x499.jpg

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/04/28/13/2819210800000578-3059073-image-m-27_1430225453789.jpg

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3059073/Baltimore-begins-clean-night-rioting.html


Thanks to Tom for the gif
which was on Chaos thread

I made this thread as her thread vanished
its now back

[Toy Soldier]

OR... we know for a fact that this guy has a mother who likes to slap him about the face, and now he has grown up to be a violent thug. Violence teaches violence. If she had respected him more when he was growing up instead of slapping him around, maybe he wouldn't be so keen to trash the world now.

Just sayin'.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

OR... we know for a fact that this guy has a mother who likes to slap him about the face, and now he has grown up to be a violent thug. Violence teaches violence. If she had respected him more when he was growing up instead of slapping him around, maybe he wouldn't be so keen to trash the world now.

Just sayin'.

why when white kids riot and cause havoc in towns they're called revellers but blacks violent thug?

[Ninastar]

i get what you're saying cece, but TS is far, far from racist...

[Toy Soldier]

why when white kids riot and cause havoc in towns they're called revellers but blacks violent thug?

I don't think anyone rioting and causing havoc has ever been called a "reveller"... I'm pretty sure you must mean something else...

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

certainly things like rowdy and unruly are used quite a bit, but never violent thugs.
Sigh life just isn't fair.

[Toy Soldier]

certainly things like rowdy and unruly are used quite a bit, but never violent thugs.
Sigh life just isn't fair.

:shrug:

I live in Scotland. There are plenty of very white (pasty, even) violent thugs here. :dance:

[Kizzy]

:shrug:

I live in Scotland. There are plenty of very white (pasty, even) violent thugs here. :dance:

:joker:

[arista]

OR... we know for a fact that this guy has a mother who likes to slap him about the face, and now he has grown up to be a violent thug. Violence teaches violence. If she had respected him more when he was growing up instead of slapping him around, maybe he wouldn't be so keen to trash the world now.

Just sayin'.


He is a teen
that Mother had watched a Community Center
for old foilks , just built
Burn to the Fecking Ground.




I am with the Mother
smack that Punk Ass Kid rounds his head more

[Ammi]

OR... we know for a fact that this guy has a mother who likes to slap him about the face, and now he has grown up to be a violent thug. Violence teaches violence. If she had respected him more when he was growing up instead of slapping him around, maybe he wouldn't be so keen to trash the world now.

Just sayin'.

..we don't know that though, her emotions are all caught up in the turbulence of the riot and seeing her son a part of it and I would think that part of her slapping him would come from a fear and dread for his safety and a reaction to that...because her reaction and her emotions were to slap him in this extraordinary situation is no indication of a mother who likes to slap her son or that she hasn't shown him respect in his growing up...or that there is any sort of 'slapping around' type history in his childhood or life...

[kirklancaster]

..we don't know that though, her emotions are all caught up in the turbulence of the riot and seeing her son a part of it and I would think that part of her slapping him would come from a fear and dread for his safety and a reaction to that...because her reaction and her emotions were to slap him in this extraordinary situation is no indication of a mother who likes to slap her son or that she hasn't shown him respect in his growing up...or that there is any sort of 'slapping around' type history in his childhood or life...

:worship:

[kirklancaster]

OR... we know for a fact that this guy has a mother who likes to slap him about the face, and now he has grown up to be a violent thug. Violence teaches violence. If she had respected him more when he was growing up instead of slapping him around, maybe he wouldn't be so keen to trash the world now.

Just sayin'.

I think it is wildly presumptuous T.S, to decide from a 10 second clip in such outrageous circumstances, that this mother has been a poor parent who has raised her son in a violent manner with corporal punishment as any regular part of a brutal regime, because - to me - the exact opposite seems more likely to be the case.

To assume what you assume, is as ludicrous as deciding that a Crown Court judge who has just sentenced a violent thug he has never met before to a long prison sentence, is a man of mean and severe merciless habits.

If this mother - unlike a growing number of unfit parents on both sides of the Atlantic - has raised her children to be moral, decent, and law abiding in a loving, stable, home environment, is morally outraged by the violence she witnesses erupting in her home city, then recognises her son as one of those taking part - she will be rightfully shocked and incensed.

The fact that she was personally moved enough to GO to the scene of his law-breaking to both, put a stop to it and - admittedly angrily - to PUNISH him for it, shows a degree of morals, care and parental responsibility so increasingly lacking in the parents of the growing number of feral, lawless kids which now blight all Democratic societies across the globe.

Her 'corporal' punishment is far more likely to be the exception rather than the rule, because violent parents are bad parents and bad parents would not have been moved to do what this mother did. Bad parents simply do not give a shet where their kids are, or what they are doing.

For society to actually work, there HAS to be laws, and there has to be PUNISHMENT for those whose personal 'Moral Code' is insufficient to prevent them breaking such laws.

The above TENET is what lies at the very HEART of the 'civil unrest' which is escalating throughout certain states of the USA, because, increasingly, certain 'Officers of The Law'; from individual Police Officers to entire departments, Judges, and Politicians, are BREAKING the law -either directly or by complicity - by MURDERING BLACKS - yet their crimes are NOT being PUNISHED.

As true and sad a fact as this is, BREAKING other LAWS in protest, by destroying property, looting, and attacking innocent people is NOT the answer, because this will eventually lead to Martial Law, Civil War, then a total breakdown of Democracy replaced by Anarchy - which is EXACTLY what certain political agitators at the core of all these riots desire.

A crashed plane full of schoolboys landing on a tropical island paradise without any adult authority figures is not mandatory for Golding's 'Lord of The Flies' nightmare dystopia to become a reality, and for humans to revert to savagery, because it is HERE now, occurring before our blinkered eyes, and has been for centuries.

On OUR streets. to those of every other Country in the world - from the Baltics to the Middle East to the Far East - MAN is increasingly reverting to barbaric INHUMAN savagery and the WEAKER and more TOLERANT a democratic government is, then the more quickly that reversion is allowed to accelerate and take an IRREVERSIBLE foothold in our societies, because weak authority is as bad as Golding's non-authority.

Not ALL men are the same. The majority POSESS an intrinsic moral code whilst a minority DO NOT, but because the majority that do, are passive, peaceful and decent, they WILL ALWAYS be AT RISK and eventually succumb to those that don't.

Which is why we must have laws - rigid equitable laws - and an equitable Judicial System administrated by rigid but equitable men.

The laws and the society we have in Democracies may not be perfect, but the alternative should such laws be crushed and society with them - is unthinkable.

Is society a BETTER place since our Police, Justice, and Penal systems became 'soft'?

Perhaps, this mother had her rules, her laws, and because, despite her best instructions and teaching and despite her love and nurture, this son was persistently wayward in BREAKING those laws, she 'just lost it' at yet another of his criminal escapades.

As Ammi so succinctly said, we have NO RIGHT to judge her punishment - corporal or not - as evidence of her being an abusive mother.

I for one APPLAUD this mother and wish there were thousands more just like her.

[kirklancaster]

He is a teen
that Mother had watched a Community Center
for old foilks , just built
Burn to the Fecking Ground.




I am with the Mother
smack that Punk Ass Kid rounds his head more

:clap1::clap1::clap1: And I am with you on this Arista.

[Toy Soldier]

All I can say is a resounding... "maybe".

And that to me, she looks pretty comfortable swinging her arm, and he looks pretty used to being slapped by his mother.

I might be making too many assumptions I suppose, that's true. But the entire premise of this thread to me smells like it'll take inevitable sidestep into "if parents still smacked their kids these things wouldn't happen" / "they should bring back hitting people with sticks in school to teach respect then there would never be in riots". And other statements of complete and utter nonsense.

I was just trying to pre-empt that, I suppose. If she was just overwhelmed and snapped, fine, but this is not the answer nor is it to be applauded. Violence of any kind against someone you love, for any reason, or as a reaction to anything, is never the answer.

[Ammi]

All I can say is a resounding... "maybe".

And that to me, she looks pretty comfortable swinging her arm, and he looks pretty used to being slapped by his mother.

I might be making too many assumptions I suppose, that's true. But the entire premise of this thread to me smells like it'll take inevitable sidestep into "if parents still smacked their kids these things wouldn't happen" / "they should bring back hitting people with sticks in school to teach respect then there would never be in riots". And other statements of complete and utter nonsense.

I was just trying to pre-empt that, I suppose. If she was just overwhelmed and snapped, fine, but this is not the answer nor is it to be applauded. Violence of any kind against someone you love, for any reason, or as a reaction to anything, is never the answer.

..no I'm not remotely applauding it but it's also not assuming so much more from her actions in a highly emotive and extraordinary situation and her fear at that moment for her son and the realising that he was part of it all...one isolated action does not make a 'history'...we brought back the hitting with sticks in our school quite a while ago btw only it's the children who have them and do the hitting....

[kirklancaster]

..no I'm not remotely applauding it but it's also not assuming so much more from her actions in a highly emotive and extraordinary situation and her fear at that moment for her son and the realising that he was part of it all...one isolated action does not make a 'history'...we brought back the hitting with sticks in our school quite a while ago btw only it's the children who have them and do the hitting....

:laugh: There's no answer to that.

[Ammi]

:laugh: There's no answer to that.

..children find it very hard to resist a good quality stick...:laugh:...

[Toy Soldier]

I don't think that was brought back, kids have always hit each other with sticks. Do you know which kids do the most "hitting with sticks"? The ones who are hit at home.

[Cherie]

why when white kids riot and cause havoc in towns they're called revellers but blacks violent thug?

Looting can hardly be called revelling, not sure white football hooligans have ever been called revellers :laugh: can you provide a link where looters whatever their colour have been labelled revellers :shrug:

[Ammi]

I don't think that was brought back, kids have always hit each other with sticks. Do you know which kids do the most "hitting with sticks"? The ones who are hit at home.

..yeah the bringing back bit was just a joke and it's just that I have rubbish jokes...but honestly TS that's not true in my experience either, which is more that a child being hit at home in the sense I think that you mean... would be more the child who is less likely to join in with any games whatever they are and generally interact less because whether playing with sticks be appropriate or not and obviously in school it's reinforced that it's not...it's much more of a generally happy, playful and active mind and a worry free mind....obviously there may be some situations that you have said as well but it's also something that shouldn't be assumed, that violence will breed violence and active violence...because violence so often breeds fear and insecurity and a 'dumbing down' of a child...

[kirklancaster]

I don't think that was brought back, kids have always hit each other with sticks. Do you know which kids do the most "hitting with sticks"? The ones who are hit at home.

Is this apart from the bullies who are intrinsically more aggressive, less disciplined and physically bigger and stronger who are able to hit with sticks because they have no internal moral compass which determines such conduct is wrong, do not respect any external rules which decree it is wrong, and do not fear any punishment for breaking such rules because they are soft and impotent?

[GiRTh]

Looting can hardly be called revelling, not sure white football hooligans have ever been called revellers :laugh: can you provide a link where looters whatever their colour have been labelled revellers :shrug:
http://www.theroot.com/blogs/the_grapevine/2014/10/black_people_riot_over_injustice_white_people_riot _over_pumpkins_and_football.html

[Kizzy]

I once hit my son with a spring roll he still talks about it to this day... Even though I only smacked him as many times as I can count on the fingers of one hand I could see me doing this if I caught him looting :/

[Toy Soldier]

Is this apart from the bullies who are intrinsically more aggressive, less disciplined and physically bigger and stronger who are able to hit with sticks because they have no internal moral compass which determines such conduct is wrong, do not respect any external rules which decree it is wrong, and do not fear any punishment for breaking such rules because they are soft and impotent?
You don't instill a moral compass in someone by hitting them :facepalm:.

I actually once saw a woman at soft play, smack her child and at the same time shout "don't hit!!" at him. I mean just... What? If you were ever looking to confuse a 5 year old, there's one way to do it.

Every bully I've ever encountered is a bully because they are seeking to feel powerful. These kids are seeking to feel powerful because they feel powerless at home. It's more or less that simple. If you respect your children as individuals and talk to them as equals then they will behave respectfully to others... It's more or less that simple. Treating like an equal does not mean pandering to or spoiling... It means exactly what it means. I talk to my 5 year old in exactly the same way I talk to any adult.

[Toy Soldier]

..yeah the bringing back bit was just a joke and it's just that I have rubbish jokes...but honestly TS that's not true in my experience either, which is more that a child being hit at home in the sense I think that you mean... would be more the child who is less likely to join in with any games whatever they are and generally interact less because whether playing with sticks be appropriate or not and obviously in school it's reinforced that it's not...it's much more of a generally happy, playful and active mind and a worry free mind....obviously there may be some situations that you have said as well but it's also something that shouldn't be assumed, that violence will breed violence and active violence...because violence so often breeds fear and insecurity and a 'dumbing down' of a child...
I agree really, one of my daughters friends who is very much "controlled" at home (and would never misbehave in front of her mother, or a teacher for that matter, because she is terrified of authority figures) can best be describes as nervous, anxious and insecure.

She is also incredibly angry and shoves, hits, grabs, and shouts in kids faces and lashes out when she thinks there aren't any adults looking.

[arista]

That Mother is to be awarded
"Mother Of The Year Award"

Ref:FoxNewsHD

[kirklancaster]

I once hit my son with a spring roll he still talks about it to this day... Even though I only smacked him as many times as I can count on the fingers of one hand I could see me doing this if I caught him looting :/

:joker::joker::joker:

[Ammi]

I agree really, one of my daughters friends who is very much "controlled" at home (and would never misbehave in front of her mother, or a teacher for that matter, because she is terrified of authority figures) can best be describes as nervous, anxious and insecure.

She is also incredibly angry and shoves, hits, grabs, and shouts in kids faces and lashes out when she thinks there aren't any adults looking.

..I think though and looking at your above post as well...this is why these things are hard to diagnose and shouldn't be generalised and judged either because there is no 'one size fits all'..and bullying isn't always about 'power' it can also be out of frustrations and an inability to communicate, that can be something in the home environment but not always...but yeah, a child constantly in trouble for physical aggression is a worry but so can a child be who never gets into trouble as well....

[Niamh.]

why when white kids riot and cause havoc in towns they're called revellers but blacks violent thug?

Looting can hardly be called revelling, not sure white football hooligans have ever been called revellers :laugh: can you provide a link where looters whatever their colour have been labelled revellers :shrug:

What Cherie said tbf

[kirklancaster]

You don't instill a moral compass in someone by hitting them :facepalm:.

I actually once saw a woman at soft play, smack her child and at the same time shout "don't hit!!" at him. I mean just... What? If you were ever looking to confuse a 5 year old, there's one way to do it.

Every bully I've ever encountered is a bully because they are seeking to feel powerful. These kids are seeking to feel powerful because they feel powerless at home. It's more or less that simple. If you respect your children as individuals and talk to them as equals then they will behave respectfully to others... It's more or less that simple. Treating like an equal does not mean pandering to or spoiling... It means exactly what it means. I talk to my 5 year old in exactly the same way I talk to any adult.

Why the facepalm? I NEVER said that you instil a moral compass in someone by hitting them - I said someone WITHOUT a moral compass is decidedly more probable to hit someone with a stick than someone who HAD a moral compass.

I have raised three moral, decent, honest, hard-working kids who have all graduated from Uni so I think I have a little knowledge on this subject. I have never had to raise a hand to any of my kids but I DID discipline them when I had to.

That said, I don't think the issue is as simple as you contend TS - a lot of kids do evil things or end up bad IN SPITE of the most loving and caring upbringing.

Good parenting and a stable loving home-life just reduces the odds of that happening that's all.

[Niamh.]

http://www.theroot.com/blogs/the_grapevine/2014/10/black_people_riot_over_injustice_white_people_riot _over_pumpkins_and_football.html

There was plenty of white people involved in the London riots, I don't remember any of them being called "revelers" saying that white people are never called violent thugs is pretty ridiculous

[Cherie]

http://www.theroot.com/blogs/the_grapevine/2014/10/black_people_riot_over_injustice_white_people_riot _over_pumpkins_and_football.html

:suspect: this is from an African American online mag, are those captions their own?

[GiRTh]

:suspect: this is from an African American online mag, are those captions their own?
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/11/white-people-rioting-for-no-reason.html

https://storify.com/betakateenin/white-people-riots
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-29695232

But others noted the contrast between the rioters in Keene - who appeared mostly to be white, well-off college students - and the protests in Ferguson, Missouri, over the shooting of an unarmed black teenager two months ago.

Many compared the manner in which the media covered Keene and Ferguson. The former, one widely-circulated image complained, was typically described using phrases such as "rowdy", "mischief" and "booze-filled revellers". But the latter, according to mainstream discourse, had been the result of "thugs" and "animals" who were "destroying their community".

Others archly deployed the language of commentators who have weighed in over Ferguson. "Where are the leaders in the white community? They need to speak out," tweeted @BrFleurantin.. @WesleyLowery added: "Don't these people have jobs? Where are the white fathers? What will end this corrosive culture of violence?!"

This report has the word 'revellers' in the head line.

http://news.sky.com/story/1356198/police-fire-tear-gas-in-pumpkin-festival-riot

[arista]

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2015/4/29/388245/default/v1/balboysss-1-800x600.jpg

Well done Lad

[Ammi]

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2015/4/29/388245/default/v1/balboysss-1-800x600.jpg

Well done Lad

..:lovedup:...

[Niamh.]

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/11/white-people-rioting-for-no-reason.html

https://storify.com/betakateenin/white-people-riots
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-29695232



This report has the word 'revellers' in the head line.

http://news.sky.com/story/1356198/police-fire-tear-gas-in-pumpkin-festival-riot


Doesn't revellers mean a party goer though? Which in that case would be relevant because that's what they were before they started rioting? They were festival goers turned rioters. Doesn't mean they're not also thugs

[GiRTh]

Doesn't revellers mean a party goer though? Which in that case would be relevant because that's what they were before they started rioting? They were festival goers turned rioters. Doesn't mean they're not also thugs49 arrested, 30 injuries, 20 in hospital. That stopped being a party long ago. People were merely pointing out that the difference in the reporting.

[Niamh.]

49 arrested, 30 injuries, 20 in hospital. That stopped being a party long ago. People were merely pointing out that the difference in the reporting.


Yeah obviously they turned into thugs, I just wonder if that's why that particular word was used in that case because of what it started out as?

[Kazanne]

I once hit my son with a spring roll he still talks about it to this day... Even though I only smacked him as many times as I can count on the fingers of one hand I could see me doing this if I caught him looting :/

OMG :joker::joker::joker: Kizzy ,that is so funny,does he like Chinese food?:joker::joker: No wonder his socks are crispy,:joker::joker::joker:

[arista]

The start of this Riot
has found out that the Man Freddie Gray
who sadly died ,
was trying to injury himself
by banging his head against the wall of the van.


Ref: Washington Post Report


As a result of this new info
the Police are now not going public with anything.
So more problems
with new "Cover Up " claims, to come

[GypsyGoth]

http://i.imgur.com/fbnjayO.jpg

A group of men lined up to protect the riot police.

[Nedusa]

http://i.imgur.com/fbnjayO.jpg

A group of men lined up to protect the riot police.

Wtf......a group of black men lined up to protect a group of white police officers in full riot gear who are under threat from the black community for random killings of black men.

Well I've seen it ****ing all now......:shocked::shocked::shocked:

[GypsyGoth]

Wtf......a group of black men lined up to protect a group of white police officers in full riot gear who are under threat from the black community for random killings of black men.

Well I've seen it ****ing all now......:shocked::shocked::shocked:

I think it was just people from a community protecting other human beings from getting hurt, regardless of skin color.

The riot police do the same for them.

[kirklancaster]

http://i.imgur.com/fbnjayO.jpg

A group of men lined up to protect the riot police.

This is one of the most heartening and pleasing photos I have ever seen. It gives us some hope that this sick, fecked up world might just have a slim chance of redemption, because it shows the passive, moral, MODERATE majority finally stepping up and being counted against the mob minority.

Violence, Lawlessness, and Anarchy, transcend colour or creed or race, it will destroy America from within as it will destroy any country where such elements are allowed to manifest and grow unchecked.

These courageous black citizens have 'picked up the ball' and it is now up to the authorities in the USA to 'run with it' and begin a series of very public investigations into racism and the increasing number of highly questionable deaths of black people whilst being arrested or whilst in police custody.

The American government OWE as much to these moderate blacks and if they try to sweep this very real issue 'under the carpet' once this latest civil outrage has settled, then they will only be scoring an 'own goal' with that ball they've been handed by them.

[Cherie]

I think it was just people from a community protecting other human beings from getting hurt, regardless of skin color.

The riot police do the same for them.

:clap1:

[Cherie]

Yeah obviously they turned into thugs, I just wonder if that's why that particular word was used in that case because of what it started out as?

I think it's semantics, and I don't really think it is helpful for publications aimed at specific communities to focus on nuances as it creates needless tension :shrug:

[Crimson Dynamo]

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/11/white-people-rioting-for-no-reason.html

https://storify.com/betakateenin/white-people-riots
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-29695232



This report has the word 'revellers' in the head line.

http://news.sky.com/story/1356198/police-fire-tear-gas-in-pumpkin-festival-riot

yes but the sky article is about a kind of street party that got out of hand. It did not involve looting

[Niamh.]

I think it's semantics, and I don't really think it is helpful for publications aimed at specific communities to focus on nuances as it creates needless tension :shrug:

Yeah I agree, it's not helpful and creates more of a divide imo

[arista]

http://i.imgur.com/fbnjayO.jpg

A group of men lined up to protect the riot police.



Yes proving
the locals are not doing the Attacks

[Ninastar]

Wow GG, that pic made my day. Incredible.

[Kizzy]

Wtf......a group of black men lined up to protect a group of white police officers in full riot gear who are under threat from the black community for random killings of black men.

Well I've seen it ****ing all now......:shocked::shocked::shocked:

It really goes some way to restoring your faith in human nature doesn't it?..

[Livia]

I think it was just people from a community protecting other human beings from getting hurt, regardless of skin color.

The riot police do the same for them.

After all the awful things we see and read the picture you posted along with the video Chaos posted yesterday restore my faith in the human race.

[arista]

Once Again The USA President
has jumped the gun
without all the fecking FACTS.

CNN reports F.Gray , who died,
did bang his own head on the Police Van
he was in.



Now the Report
he not going Public

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

:shrug:

I live in Scotland. There are plenty of very white (pasty, even) violent thugs here. :dance:

Dead on!!

OdSsBYO1oNI

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

..we don't know that though, her emotions are all caught up in the turbulence of the riot and seeing her son a part of it and I would think that part of her slapping him would come from a fear and dread for his safety and a reaction to that...because her reaction and her emotions were to slap him in this extraordinary situation is no indication of a mother who likes to slap her son or that she hasn't shown him respect in his growing up...or that there is any sort of 'slapping around' type history in his childhood or life...

:hug:

[the truth]

the main problem is that so few of these young hooligans have fathers

[arista]

The Young Mayor has just read out charges
Murder for One Police Officer
and other officers charged
http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2015/4/21/386108/default/v1/freddiegray-1-480x360.jpeg
All for the Death of F. Gray


Warrants for those Police Officers were served 2 hours ago.


http://news.sky.com/story/1476063/cop-faces-murder-charge-in-freddie-gray-death


I wonder if any Wanted Cops
are on the run?

[Kizzy]

The Young Mayor has just read out charges
Murder for One Police Officer
and other officers charged

good

[arista]

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2015/5/2/388928/default/v4/six-officers-charged-1-480x360.jpg
Charged officers: (L-R From top) Porter, Miller,
Goodson, Nero, White, Rice.

http://news.sky.com/story/1476063/cop-faces-murder-charge-in-freddie-gray-death

[Nedusa]

It really goes some way to restoring your faith in human nature doesn't it?..

Indeed it does......