Drugs Runners Australian pair were killed by a firing squad on Bali's 'death island'

[arista]

This has set a good Example
for any Outsiders thinking they can Drug Run
in Indonesia.



Even Better than USA
as it was done fast.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/04/29/08/2817BE4A00000578-3059778-Mary_Jane_Fiesta_Veloso_centre_survived_spared_aft er_her_alleged-a-18_1430291431268.jpg
Mary Jane Fiesta Veloso (centre) survived - spared after her alleged recruiter turned herself in

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3059778/What-hope-British-grandmother-fears-face-firing-squad-execution-Bali-Nine-ringleaders.html#ixzz3YggyPGk8

[Niamh.]

I wouldn't call that kind of "justice" a good example tbh

[Kizzy]

It's a hard line that's for sure :/

[arista]

I wouldn't call that kind of "justice" a good example tbh


Of Course Not
For here.


But out there Everyone Knows the Risk
they took the risk
crossed the line
Punishment : Death By Bullets

[Niamh.]

Of Course Not
For here.


But out there Everyone Knows the Risk
they took the risk
crossed the line
Punishment : Death By Bullets

Yes it's silly to do it when you know what could happen if you're caught but I still think the death penalty for something like that is really, really wrong

[MTVN]

It's a difficult one because they show absolutely no room for clemency with these men, who had apparently shown themselves as reformed characters while locked up, but then a couple like this (http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/apr/21/indonesia-court-sentences-us-couple-over-bali) can only get ten and eighteen years for murdering their relative and putting her in a suitcase. On the other hand I can understand that this is the decreed punishment for a crime that Indonesia is plagued by and that it'd be tricky to waver from their hardline stance now because they've been put under pressure from Australia. Six other men were executed as well this morning but they've been starved of the same level of attention.

[arista]

Sure
but for that nation
its normal

Respect that nations ways

[Kizzy]

It was a very brave thing for the recruiter to come forward for Mary Jane, won't that basically be a death sentence for her instead now though?

[Helen 28]

Yes it's silly to do it when you know what could happen if you're caught but I still think the death penalty for something like that is really, really wrong

No sympathy at all, if you import or export drugs into or out of a country that you well know has the death penalty then you take the risk that when caught you'll die.

We have no right whatsoever to question other countries justice system, the same as other countries have no right to question our very light justice system where muggers and robbers walk free from court on a daily basis.

[Niamh.]

No sympathy at all, if you import or export drugs into or out of a country that you well know has the death penalty then you take the risk that when caught you'll die.

We have no right whatsoever to question other countries justice system, the same as other countries have no right to question our very light justice system where muggers and robbers walk free from court on a daily basis.

I can question it all I like tyvm :laugh:

[Helen 28]

I can question it all I like tyvm :laugh:

Of course you can, same as me.

[Niamh.]

Of course you can, same as me.

super, I never said you couldn't :laugh:

[Vanessa]

I don't like this. It's so barbaric! :sad:

[kirklancaster]

It's a difficult one because they show absolutely no room for clemency with these men, who had apparently shown themselves as reformed characters while locked up, but then a couple like this (http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/apr/21/indonesia-court-sentences-us-couple-over-bali) can only get ten and eighteen years for murdering their relative and putting her in a suitcase. On the other hand I can understand that this is the decreed punishment for a crime that Indonesia is plagued by and that it'd be tricky to waver from their hardline stance now because they've been put under pressure from Australia. Six other men were executed as well this morning but they've been starved of the same level of attention.

Good post - but Indonesian justice is no different to our own as far as inconsistencies go. From 'Street Crime' on TV; where one drunk who swears and kicks a policeman is wrestled to the ground by 4 cops, and fights them, only to be let go with a "telling off", while in the same program, another guy caught urinating in a quiet spot away from passers by, gets a £40.00 fine, to the huge variations in sentencing in our Crown Courts for every offence from Drug dealing to Murder.

The executed smugglers knew the risks.

[Helen 28]

I don't like this. It's so barbaric! :sad:

Do you think drug smuggling isn't barbaric.

[Vanessa]

Do you think drug smuggling isn't barbaric.

It's wrong, but death is a bit extreme for it.

[Helen 28]

It's wrong, but death is a bit extreme for it.

800 people died horrible deaths from heroin alone in the UK in 2013 all a direct result of drug trafficking.

The people bringing the drugs in might just have thought twice if we had the same legal system as Indonesia.

[Tom4784]

Barbarians.

[Vanessa]

800 people died horrible deaths from heroin alone in the UK in 2013 all a direct result of drug trafficking.

The people bringing the drugs in might just have thought twice if we had the same legal system as Indonesia.

Death is not a deterrent. They have it in the States and people continue to kill.

[Niamh.]

800 people died horrible deaths from heroin alone in the UK in 2013 all a direct result of drug trafficking.

The people bringing the drugs in might just have thought twice if we had the same legal system as Indonesia.

Yes but these traffickers aren't directly responsible for that though, as much sympathy as I have for heroin addicts, they choose to take the drug themselves. Do you reckon more or less people die from alcohol related deaths every year? And should breweries, off-licences etc bear some of the responsibility for that, do you think?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Best not to get involved in other countries rules.

[Kizzy]

Yes but these traffickers aren't directly responsible for that though, as much sympathy as I have for heroin addicts, they choose to take the drug themselves. Do you reckon more or less people die from alcohol related deaths every year? And should breweries, off-licences etc bear some of the responsibility for that, do you think?

It's a different situation, as different as the comparisons you opposed on another thread today almost, hard drugs fund terrorism, prostitution, child abuse, they are illegal.
The traffickers are a link in the chain then it's kudos to their govt for taking the initiative to break that chain. Will this be enough of a deterrent to prevent any more attempt to smuggle drugs? I doubt it.

[kirklancaster]

It's a different situation, as different as the comparisons you opposed on another thread today almost, hard drugs fund terrorism, prostitution, child abuse, they are illegal.
The traffickers are a link in the chain then it's kudos to their govt for taking the initiative to break that chain. Will this be enough of a deterrent to prevent any more attempt to smuggle drugs? I doubt it.

:clap1::clap1::clap1: A good post.

[Helen 28]

Yes but these traffickers aren't directly responsible for that though, as much sympathy as I have for heroin addicts, they choose to take the drug themselves. Do you reckon more or less people die from alcohol related deaths every year? And should breweries, off-licences etc bear some of the responsibility for that, do you think?

I know alcohol is a big killer far worse than drugs but I also think if all drugs were legal like booze the death rate would rocket.

The difference between the 2 is by law we can do something about drugs, because we can't stop boozing doesn't mean we can't cut drug use.

I do agree that drug users with rare exceptions have only themselves to blame but unfortunately their habit often kills others as well.

[kirklancaster]

Death is not a deterrent. They have it in the States and people continue to kill.

It's the ULTIMATE deterrent for those executed in that it definitely deters them from repeating the crime.

[arista]

Barbarians.


No Dezzy
its a Great Nation

Respect Their Laws

[Niamh.]

It's a different situation, as different as the comparisons you opposed on another thread today almost, hard drugs fund terrorism, prostitution, child abuse, they are illegal.
The traffickers are a link in the chain then it's kudos to their govt for taking the initiative to break that chain. Will this be enough of a deterrent to prevent any more attempt to smuggle drugs? I doubt it.

I know alcohol is a big killer far worse than drugs but I also think if all drugs were legal like booze the death rate would rocket.

The difference between the 2 is by law we can do something about drugs, because we can't stop boozing doesn't mean we can't cut drug use.

I do agree that drug users with rare exceptions have only themselves to blame but unfortunately their habit often kills others as well.

Fair points, I suppose the point I was trying to make is just that these traffickers aren't personally killing anyone so even in an eye for an eye type justice system this seems wrong

[Helen 28]

This thread is really about the death penalty, some like it some don't.

Doubt that will ever change.

[Vanessa]

It's the ULTIMATE deterrent for those executed in that it definitely deters them from repeating the crime.

but not others.

[Niamh.]

This thread is really about the death penalty, some like it some don't.

Doubt that will ever change.

mmm, I'm not 100% opposed to it when you have people like say that Polish man who raped and murdered that 9 year old girl in France, where there's DNA evidence and he actually confessed to it as well

[kirklancaster]

but not others.

No - not those who let greed so cloud their judgement that value making 'easy money' more than they value their lives.

[Helen 28]

mmm, I'm not 100% opposed to it when you have people like say that Polish man who raped and murdered that 9 year old girl in France, where there's DNA evidence and he actually confessed to it as well

That was an horrific crime and I agree.

I have a theory and it's this :

A criminal who is being given a very long sentence in court could be asked on the day if he rather be executed.
He or she could be given a time to think about it and I firmly believe that someone faced with 30 odd years would often rather have it ended quickly.

Nobody could say they were executed by mistake, seems a good idea to me although we know it will never happen.

[Niamh.]

That was an horrific crime and I agree.

I have a theory and it's this :

A criminal who is being given a very long sentence in court could be asked on the day if he rather be executed.
He or she could be given a time to think about it and I firmly believe that someone faced with 30 odd years would often rather have it ended quickly.

Nobody could say they were executed by mistake, seems a good idea to me although we know it will never happen.

Well, my thinking behind cases like that one I just mentioned is more protecting other people by executing him rather then getting vengeance. I mean life never actually seems to mean life so monsters like that man should be taken out to protect people more than anything else. Yours is an interesting idea though

[bots]

Not wishing to seem harsh, but if the 2 men hadn't been caught, they would have carried on organising mules to do their dirty work for them for years to come. When faced with the prospect of the death penalty, anyone will look to the rehabilitation card if they think its their last possible prospect of avoiding the firing squad.

The penalty is harsh, no disputing that, but Indonesia need to do something to stamp the problem out.

[Ammi]

That was an horrific crime and I agree.

I have a theory and it's this :

A criminal who is being given a very long sentence in court could be asked on the day if he rather be executed.
He or she could be given a time to think about it and I firmly believe that someone faced with 30 odd years would often rather have it ended quickly.

Nobody could say they were executed by mistake, seems a good idea to me although we know it will never happen.

..one thing with that though is that there are sometimes cases where people have confessed to crimes they didn't commit because of their mental state...there was one quite recently in America I believe, he wasn't executed but spent most of his life in prison when he was indeed innocent but confessed because of his mental health at the time....

[Helen 28]

..one thing with that though is that there are sometimes cases where people have confessed to crimes they didn't commit because of their mental state...there was one quite recently in America I believe, he wasn't executed but spent most of his life in prison when he was indeed innocent but confessed because of his mental health at the time....

Quite true, but I'm sure that mental health professionals would be able to sort them out and they could be denied the choice.
The amount of prisoners you're talking about is tiny anyway.

[Ammi]

Quite true, but I'm sure that mental health professionals would be able to sort them out and they could be denied the choice.
The amount of prisoners you're talking about is tiny anyway.

..but mental health professionals didn't do that in this case because he spent many years in prison so then it would be, how long would a convicted criminal be in prison before the choice was offered/how long until they knew for sure...and however long that was, it would still be left open for being wrong...and really only a tiny percentage would be wrong, surely because basically an innocent person would have been assisted suicide...I just think we can't think ..oh well, there might be a few mistakes but whatever, type thing...

[Livia]

If you carry drugs in a country that carries the death penalty for drugs crimes, then you run the risk of being executed. If you are unaware of the consequences of carrying drugs into certain countries then you have no business having a passport.

I can't get emotional about these people being executed when I think of how many people die every day through taking drugs.

[kirklancaster]

If you carry drugs in a country that carries the death penalty for drugs crimes, then you run the risk of being executed. If you are unaware of the consequences of carrying drugs into certain countries then you have no business having a passport.

I can't get emotional about these people being executed when I think of how many people die every day through taking drugs.

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