[arista]

This has set a good Example
for any Outsiders thinking they can Drug Run
in Indonesia.



Even Better than USA
as it was done fast.


Mary Jane Fiesta Veloso (centre) survived - spared after her alleged recruiter turned herself in

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz3YggyPGk8

[Niamh.]

I wouldn't call that kind of "justice" a good example tbh

[Kizzy]

It's a hard line that's for sure :/

[arista]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I wouldn't call that kind of "justice" a good example tbh

Of Course Not
For here.


But out there Everyone Knows the Risk
they took the risk
crossed the line
Punishment : Death By Bullets

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by arista

Of Course Not
For here.


But out there Everyone Knows the Risk
they took the risk
crossed the line
Punishment : Death By Bullets

Yes it's silly to do it when you know what could happen if you're caught but I still think the death penalty for something like that is really, really wrong

[MTVN]

It's a difficult one because they show absolutely no room for clemency with these men, who had apparently shown themselves as reformed characters while locked up, but then a couple like this can only get ten and eighteen years for murdering their relative and putting her in a suitcase. On the other hand I can understand that this is the decreed punishment for a crime that Indonesia is plagued by and that it'd be tricky to waver from their hardline stance now because they've been put under pressure from Australia. Six other men were executed as well this morning but they've been starved of the same level of attention.

[arista]

Sure
but for that nation
its normal

Respect that nations ways

[Kizzy]

It was a very brave thing for the recruiter to come forward for Mary Jane, won't that basically be a death sentence for her instead now though?

[Helen 28]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yes it's silly to do it when you know what could happen if you're caught but I still think the death penalty for something like that is really, really wrong

No sympathy at all, if you import or export drugs into or out of a country that you well know has the death penalty then you take the risk that when caught you'll die.

We have no right whatsoever to question other countries justice system, the same as other countries have no right to question our very light justice system where muggers and robbers walk free from court on a daily basis.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Helen 28

No sympathy at all, if you import or export drugs into or out of a country that you well know has the death penalty then you take the risk that when caught you'll die.

We have no right whatsoever to question other countries justice system, the same as other countries have no right to question our very light justice system where muggers and robbers walk free from court on a daily basis.

I can question it all I like tyvm

[Helen 28]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I can question it all I like tyvm

Of course you can, same as me.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Helen 28

Of course you can, same as me.

super, I never said you couldn't

[Vanessa]

I don't like this. It's so barbaric!

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by MTVN

It's a difficult one because they show absolutely no room for clemency with these men, who had apparently shown themselves as reformed characters while locked up, but then a couple like this can only get ten and eighteen years for murdering their relative and putting her in a suitcase. On the other hand I can understand that this is the decreed punishment for a crime that Indonesia is plagued by and that it'd be tricky to waver from their hardline stance now because they've been put under pressure from Australia. Six other men were executed as well this morning but they've been starved of the same level of attention.

Good post - but Indonesian justice is no different to our own as far as inconsistencies go. From 'Street Crime' on TV; where one drunk who swears and kicks a policeman is wrestled to the ground by 4 cops, and fights them, only to be let go with a "telling off", while in the same program, another guy caught urinating in a quiet spot away from passers by, gets a Ł40.00 fine, to the huge variations in sentencing in our Crown Courts for every offence from Drug dealing to Murder.

The executed smugglers knew the risks.

[Helen 28]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

I don't like this. It's so barbaric!

Do you think drug smuggling isn't barbaric.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Helen 28

Do you think drug smuggling isn't barbaric.

It's wrong, but death is a bit extreme for it.

[Helen 28]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

It's wrong, but death is a bit extreme for it.

800 people died horrible deaths from heroin alone in the UK in 2013 all a direct result of drug trafficking.

The people bringing the drugs in might just have thought twice if we had the same legal system as Indonesia.

[Tom4784]

Barbarians.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Helen 28

800 people died horrible deaths from heroin alone in the UK in 2013 all a direct result of drug trafficking.

The people bringing the drugs in might just have thought twice if we had the same legal system as Indonesia.

Death is not a deterrent. They have it in the States and people continue to kill.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Helen 28

800 people died horrible deaths from heroin alone in the UK in 2013 all a direct result of drug trafficking.

The people bringing the drugs in might just have thought twice if we had the same legal system as Indonesia.

Yes but these traffickers aren't directly responsible for that though, as much sympathy as I have for heroin addicts, they choose to take the drug themselves. Do you reckon more or less people die from alcohol related deaths every year? And should breweries, off-licences etc bear some of the responsibility for that, do you think?

[LeatherTrumpet]

Best not to get involved in other countries rules.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yes but these traffickers aren't directly responsible for that though, as much sympathy as I have for heroin addicts, they choose to take the drug themselves. Do you reckon more or less people die from alcohol related deaths every year? And should breweries, off-licences etc bear some of the responsibility for that, do you think?

It's a different situation, as different as the comparisons you opposed on another thread today almost, hard drugs fund terrorism, prostitution, child abuse, they are illegal.
The traffickers are a link in the chain then it's kudos to their govt for taking the initiative to break that chain. Will this be enough of a deterrent to prevent any more attempt to smuggle drugs? I doubt it.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

It's a different situation, as different as the comparisons you opposed on another thread today almost, hard drugs fund terrorism, prostitution, child abuse, they are illegal.
The traffickers are a link in the chain then it's kudos to their govt for taking the initiative to break that chain. Will this be enough of a deterrent to prevent any more attempt to smuggle drugs? I doubt it.

A good post.

[Helen 28]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yes but these traffickers aren't directly responsible for that though, as much sympathy as I have for heroin addicts, they choose to take the drug themselves. Do you reckon more or less people die from alcohol related deaths every year? And should breweries, off-licences etc bear some of the responsibility for that, do you think?

I know alcohol is a big killer far worse than drugs but I also think if all drugs were legal like booze the death rate would rocket.

The difference between the 2 is by law we can do something about drugs, because we can't stop boozing doesn't mean we can't cut drug use.

I do agree that drug users with rare exceptions have only themselves to blame but unfortunately their habit often kills others as well.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

Death is not a deterrent. They have it in the States and people continue to kill.

It's the ULTIMATE deterrent for those executed in that it definitely deters them from repeating the crime.