Are channel 5 obsessed with twists

[mrmattybeck1]

Anyone else hoping there's less twists and nominations meddling this series

[LukeB]

yeah.

[Mystic Mock]

Yes, especially on the nomination process that made the Diary Room (or how Ch5 spelt it the once) the Dairy Room relevant.

[Daniel.]

No, Endemol are.

[Rob!]

No, Endemol are.

Omg thank you :clap1:

[Jarrod]

I'm losing count of how many times we have to make it clear that Channel 5 aren't responsible for the twists or whatever happens during the series. Endemol produce the series and tell the producers and storyline producers what to do and what to make, not 5.

Channel 5 are the ones who buy the rights to air the show. Whatever is made, they need to show.

[Mystic Mock]

Storyline producers?

Has BB become a Soap?

[Jarrod]

Storyline producers?

Has BB become a Soap?

Every show has storyline producers. They put together the bits you see in the House from the footage. They'll follow a certain event in the HL's instead of just random bits here and there.

[Jason.]

Ever since Emma took over from Brian, it's been twist-heavy. Not saying it's Emma's fault.
But ever since BB14, there's been a lot of twists.

When Brian was on the show, there wasn't much twists. Especially in the Civilian series, like BB13.

Over the last year the show has become "conflict heavy" too. BB15 and CBB15 being great examples.

Twists = Artifical Conflict = Trash
Good housemates = Natural Conflict = Entertainment

[reece(:]

The word "twist" is a parody of itself now.

[MB.]

At least we're not in 'Twistos Twist' territory just yet.

[Jason.]

I think BB16 could either make or break Big Brother.

If they don't learn from the mistakes they made in BB15, and CBB15.
Then I'm done with the Civilian BB, as well as the summer CBB.

The only thing I will watch is January CBB, as that feels classic and like an event.

And in the summer, I will just re-watch Channel 4 series on YouTube, as if they were airing for the first time.

[andybigbro]

I hope there is less nomination meddling. I don't mind the odd twist if it's good :tongue:

[mrmattybeck1]

I think BB16 could either make or break Big Brother.

If they don't learn from the mistakes they made in BB15, and CBB15.
Then I'm done with the Civilian BB, as well as the summer CBB.

The only thing I will watch is January CBB, as that feels classic and like an event.

And in the summer, I will just re-watch Channel 4 series on YouTube, as if they were airing for the first time.
Hardly any promotions for civilian bb it really is a sideshow for c5 now cbb is their main event sadly :(

[Jason.]

The word "twist" is a parody of itself now.

I agree.

It's more like "norm" now. They're pretty much part of the format.

It just aggravates me how the producers are destroying the show more and more each series, and think it's what the viewers want.

It really annoys me. The producers in charge of BB15 should be executed - effective immediatley.

BB15 was such a rotten series. It wasn't your ordinary "bad" series, which you just shrugged off.

It was massive turning point, in BB. And, if they want the show to be successful, then they really need to fix up.

CBB15 was the same, but it had a lot of controversy and people talking about it, which bumped ratings.

If they keep producing series like BB15/CBB14/CBB15, then the ratings will average 800k, by 2018.

A step forward would be to take the show back to the time of BB14/CBB13, when both formats were working well.

The show may have become less tacky, as the series go by. But the series themselves are getting more rotten and rotten.

[MB.]

I'm not sure how viewing figures are going to fall to 800k if they keep producing series like CBB15, considering that's their most-viewed series an' all...

[MB.]

Sure, you could argue that BB14 has the highest civilian viewing figures on Channel 5, but it was just as twist and public influence-heavy as BB15 was. Plus, it wasn't up against a World Cup.

[mrmattybeck1]

Agree secrets and lies had a lot of issues it certainly wasn't perfect

[Jason.]

Hardly any promotions for civilian bb it really is a sideshow for c5 now cbb is their main event sadly :(

I agree.

I love how Endemol / C5 are overusing the CBB market.
All I can say is "Enjoy it whilst you can".

2 CBB's a year, and the fact they're both 4 weeks now, too. I wouldn't be surprised if CBB dies off, by the end of next year.

It will be so stale.

If BB16 is bad. I'm ditching BB, like C5 have.
I've given the show enough chances.

[mrmattybeck1]

I agree.

I love how Endemol / C5 are overusing the CBB market.
All I can say is "Enjoy it whilst you can".

2 CBB's a year, and the fact they're both 4 weeks now, too. I wouldn't be surprised if CBB dies off, by the end of next year.

It will be so stale.

If BB16 is bad. I'm ditching BB, like C5 have.
I've given the show enough chances.
In a way could be good for normal bb the way its going c5 will kill off cbb for good soon 5 weeks in January was complete overkill bbuk for 10 weeks in summer is perfect

[mrmattybeck1]

I agree.

I love how Endemol / C5 are overusing the CBB market.
All I can say is "Enjoy it whilst you can".

2 CBB's a year, and the fact they're both 4 weeks now, too. I wouldn't be surprised if CBB dies off, by the end of next year.

It will be so stale.

If BB16 is bad. I'm ditching BB, like C5 have.
I've given the show enough chances.
Just watch old bb on YouTube next summer if that's the case any final pass I'm done

[MB.]

Well, it's good to know that we all still have faith in this show.

[Daniel.]

I see

[Rob!]

This could be the best series ever. How about that little strand of optimism?

[Daniel.]

This could be the best series ever. How about that little strand of optimism?

BB6 exists so no

[Jason.]

I'm not sure how viewing figures are going to fall to 800k if they keep producing series like CBB15, considering that's their most-viewed series an' all...

I said BB15/CBB14/CBB15.

All of which were too similar in terms of heavy conflict and twists.
BB15 and CBB15 were the worst in terms of manipulation.

The fact that the final week ratings for CBB15 dropped. Shows how stale it got, from all the conflict.

CBB15 could've averaged around 3.2m. But, it got so draining to watch by Day 25, that the ratings were on about 2.8m, as opposed to the 3.2m, the show was getting a few weeks earlier.

CBB15 only rated well because it was controversial. Just like CBB5 got good ratings.

CBB13 got good ratings because it was a classic series throughout.

[Daniel.]

I've been thinking about BB15 and maybe it wasn't that bad, lots of dramatic moments.

[Jason.]

Sure, you could argue that BB14 has the highest civilian viewing figures on Channel 5, but it was just as twist and public influence-heavy as BB15 was. Plus, it wasn't up against a World Cup.

Whilst I do agree.

It wasn't to the same extent that BB15 had.

BB14 had a better cast, and tasks too. As well as humor and fun.

BB15 was all about ruthlessness and dark and nasty game play.

The World Cup didn't kill the BB15 ratings.
BB15 ratings were low from the get and go, and never improved.

The ratings always stood at 1.5-1.6m.

The Olympics tarnished the BB13 ratings.

[Mystic Mock]

I've been thinking about BB15 and maybe it wasn't that bad, lots of dramatic moments.

Just because the series had drama doesn't automatically make it okay for me.

Just look at the second half of BB7, BB12, and once Alicia leaves CBB15 to see that.

[Daniel.]

BB15 was all about ruthlessness and dark and nasty game play.

That sounds amazing to me and could describe the likes of BB6 and BB13 better than it did BB15.

[Daniel.]

Just because the series had drama doesn't automatically make it okay for me.

Just look at the second half of BB7, BB12, and once Alicia leaves CBB15 to see that.

I like the second half of BB7

[Jason.]

That sounds amazing to me and could describe the likes of BB6 and BB13 better than it did BB15.

BB6 and BB13 had nothing to do with game play, IMO.
Those were both divided series.

The producers knew what they wanted from BB15, and they got it. Shame they didn't get the ratings.
The promo for the series said it all, TBH.

Always going on about how ruthless the housemates were and how they were on the cusp of fame.

The producers wanted nasty, and they got it. Fair play.

[Mystic Mock]

That sounds amazing to me and could describe the likes of BB6 and BB13 better than it did BB15.

BB6 and BB13 did still have contestants in them that liked to have fun though, and the nastiness was more comedic in them series compared to most of the BB15 nastiness imo.

[Rob!]

Tbh if BB6 aired now, I don't think it would be anywhere near as popular. It was just as nasty as BB15 if not worse.

[Daniel.]

BB6 and BB13 had nothing to do with game play, IMO.
Those were both divided series.

The producers knew what they wanted from BB15, and they got it. Shame they didn't get the ratings.
The promo for the series said it all, TBH.

Always going on about how ruthless the housemates were and how they were on the cusp of fame.

The producers wanted nasty, and they got it. Fair play.

BB6 was pretty much endless gameplay with people like Derek and Makosi, no idea what you were seeing

[Daniel.]

Tbh if BB6 aired now, I don't think it would be anywhere near as popular. It was just as nasty as BB15 if not worse.

It was amazing though

Makosi's lies, Craig's stalking, Derek's snobbery :worship:

[Daniel.]

Nastiness honestly doesn't bother me as long as it's entertaining, BB6 and BB13 are for me the two most consistently entertaining series and they were nasty. BB15 just lacked entertainment a lot and it was actually dull often.

[Mystic Mock]

I like the second half of BB7

Fair enough if you can handle that much focus on the next Romeo & Juliet & Bunny & Boiler & Norman.

[Jason.]

Well, it's good to know that we all still have faith in this show.

How can we have faith in the show, when the last three series has been artificial boiled shyte.

It's not like they're helping the show, so why anyone would have any faith in it is beyond me.

Heck, they don't even have faith in the show themselves. What happened to BB being the main event of the summer. The fact most of the anticipation is for CBB16 speaks volumes, TBH.

I had faith for it, after CBB13. They disappointed me with BB15, and CBB14.
I re-gained my faith for CBB15, till Alicia was evicted, and the series turned into another BB15.

If they don't fix it, and BB16 is like BB15, and the second half of CBB15. Then it pretty much sets the tone for the next two years of Big Brother, IMO.

[Jason.]

BB6 was pretty much endless gameplay with people like Derek and Makosi, no idea what you were seeing

I saw the live feed.

[Daniel.]

Fair enough if you can handle that much focus on the next Romeo & Juliet & Bunny & Boiler & Norman.

I liked it because Aisleyne is my favourite housemate ever and I enjoyed watching her, imo very real, journey.

[Daniel.]

I saw the live feed.

Good for you.

[Jason.]

Big Brother 6 and 13 were good because it natural.
The cast were good, which is why the series were good.

[Mystic Mock]

BB15 lacked humour, the only people that made me laugh was Helen, Ash, Biannca, Christopher on occasion, and Mark on occasion.

The others had their moments, but not really good enough imo, and considering there was like 20 contestants in BB15 it's not good that only 5 Housemates made me laugh on a semi-regular basis.

[Rob!]

How can we have faith in the show, when the last three series has been artificial boiled shyte.

It's not like they're helping the show, so why anyone would have any faith in it is beyond me.

Heck, they don't even have faith in the show. What happened to BB being the main event of the summer. The fact most of the anticipation is for CBB16 speaks volumes, TBH.

I had faith for it, after CBB13. They disappointed me with BB15, and CBB14.
I re-gained my faith for CBB15, till Alicia was evicted, and the series turned into another BB15.

If they don't fix it, and BB16 is like BB15, and the second half of CBB15. Then it pretty much sets the tone for the next two years of Big Brother, IMO.

If they didn't have faith in the show then why the hell would they be forking out £120m a year to air it?

In my opinion, channel 5 have come a long way since the compete and utter arse gravy that was BB12 and CBB...whatever the one with Katona was. That was horrific. Glossy, trashy ****e.

[Daniel.]

I know, I'm just saying I thought there were a lot of gameplayers like Makosi, Derek, Caroline, Lydia etc I know that wasn't the theme but I think there were more ruthless gameplayers in those series than BB15 which is what made them nasty.

[Daniel.]

Danielle, Toya and Pauline were the ones from BB15 who often had me in hysterics.

[Jason.]

If they didn't have faith in the show then why the hell would they be forking out £120m a year to air it?

In my opinion, channel 5 have come a long way since the compete and utter arse gravy that was BB12 and CBB...whatever the one with Katona was. That was horrific. Glossy, trashy ****e.

They came along way from CBB8/BB12 to get to CBB13.
Then took twenty step backwards with BB15 and CBB14.

BIB -
You tell me.

They spend £120m a year, and can't even promote their series properly.

I haven't even seen an ident for Timebomb yet, and the series starts next week, FGS.

[Mystic Mock]

Pauline was a good villain in terms of ruling the House with an iron fist, I wouldn't particularly call her funny though away from “it's Jale's fault” that she said directly to Jale's face.

And Toya and Danielle was overrated imo.

Oh and I agree that Ch5's BB's have improved, but I just wish that they could have CBB13's fun with the arguing and bitching.

[Mystic Mock]

Pauline was a good villain in terms of ruling the House with an iron fist, I wouldn't particularly call her funny though away from “it's Jale's fault” that she said directly to Jale's face.

And Toya and Danielle was overrated imo.

Oh and I agree that Ch5's BB's have improved, but I just wish that they could have CBB13's fun with the arguing and bitching.

[Daniel.]

Ease up on the chicken man was comedy genius

[Jason.]

I know, I'm just saying I thought there were a lot of gameplayers like Makosi, Derek, Caroline, Lydia etc I know that wasn't the theme but I think there were more ruthless gameplayers in those series than BB15 which is what made them nasty.

Yes, it had ruthless housemates. But the series was centered on being ruthless and powerful.
BB15 was designed to have ruthlessness.

BB6/13 are more remembered for being divisive and divided.

[Rob!]

How can we have faith in the show, when the last three series has been artificial boiled shyte.

It's not like they're helping the show, so why anyone would have any faith in it is beyond me.

Heck, they don't even have faith in the show themselves. What happened to BB being the main event of the summer. The fact most of the anticipation is for CBB16 speaks volumes, TBH.

I had faith for it, after CBB13. They disappointed me with BB15, and CBB14.
I re-gained my faith for CBB15, till Alicia was evicted, and the series turned into another BB15.

If they don't fix it, and BB16 is like BB15, and the second half of CBB15. Then it pretty much sets the tone for the next two years of Big Brother, IMO.

They came along way from CBB8/BB12 to get to CBB13.
Then took twenty step backwards with BB15 and CBB14.

But every series of the show is different - I hated CBB13 once it got into the last couple of weeks. I didn't find all the stuff that was going on with Gary in the slightest bit entertaining.
I think the reason I'm fighting for C5's corner is because they are airing a show that has managed to get to 35 series. They HAVE to try new things. Yes I think a lot of that is down to the over reliance they have on CBB but I think they've very much made that their own. I don't think they need two series of it a year but they've got literally nothing else in their schedules that gets as much attention as Big Brother.
The show has to try out different things to remain interesting. Sometimes it'll work, sometimes it won't.

[Daniel.]

Was there anyone in BB15 apart from Pauline and maybe Ashleigh that would be described as ruthless though? There's a difference between ruthless and aggression

[Jason.]

Channel 5 BB's have improved, in terms of quality of editing and the show it's self.

But, out of the three series which aired in 2014, only one was good, and two were dreadful, IMO.

2012 was a much better year for BB, and that was when BB was tacky as tinsel.

[Daniel.]

BB12 - Crap
BB13 - Amazing
BB14 - Average
BB15 - Crap
BB16 - :think:

[Daniel.]

2012 was amazing, I loved all three seasons

[Rob!]

Was there anyone in BB15 apart from Pauline and maybe Ashleigh that would be described as ruthless though? There's a difference between ruthless and aggression

Tbh I'd not even put Ashleigh or Pauline in the ruthless category. To me the most ruthless was Mark. I found him SO ungenuine from the moment he walked in - he'd done reality TV before, he knew what kind of persona he needed to give off. The fact that he failed miserably showed that he didn't really give two ****s about anybody in there, it was all about him getting the most air time. I could literally list reasons why Mark was so horrible.

[Rob!]

BB14 was my favourite civilian series on C5. I just loved it. The tasks were great, the housemates for the most part all got me emotionally invested.

[reece(:]

Pauline provided the funniest moment of the series as the killer nom of Jale was revealed, everyone was shocked and she was sat back with her arms crossed on the couch smirking, serving a mafia boss.

I screamed.

[Jason.]

But every series of the show is different - I hated CBB13 once it got into the last couple of weeks. I didn't find all the stuff that was going on with Gary in the slightest bit entertaining.
I think the reason I'm fighting for C5's corner is because they are airing a show that has managed to get to 35 series. They HAVE to try new things. Yes I think a lot of that is down to the over reliance they have on CBB but I think they've very much made that their own. I don't think they need two series of it a year but they've got literally nothing else in their schedules that gets as much attention as Big Brother.
The show has to try out different things to remain interesting. Sometimes it'll work, sometimes it won't.

But they make the same mistakes over and over.

Didn't they learn in BB15 that having a series based on two rival housemates kills the show?

What do they do?

CBB14 - Gary vs. James
CBB15 - Perez vs. Katie H

What about the fact, that every series since CBB11 has had a secret room of some sort.

Especially in BB15 and CBB15 when they're clear attempts to go to producers way.

What about live feed?
It's not the cost. All they do is turn on a few cameras, and broadcast them.

The real reason we don't have live feed is so they can control what we see.

What about things that go on that we don't know about?
Like Perez doing a radio show, in the house, and Hopkins having access to a computer.

If they were honest, they would tell us. Instead they hide it from the viewers.

[Mystic Mock]

I miss Live Feed too, and I agree on making the show just on two Housemates is an horrific idea.

[Daniel.]

Pauline provided the funniest moment of the series as the killer nom of Jale was revealed, everyone was shocked and she was sat back with her arms crossed on the couch smirking, serving a mafia boss.

I screamed.

:love:

[Daniel.]

BB14 was my favourite civilian series on C5. I just loved it. The tasks were great, the housemates for the most part all got me emotionally invested.

BB13 was so much better for me

BB14 was too manipulated and had too many fakes for me.

[Rob!]

BB13 was so much better for me

BB14 was too manipulated and had too many fakes for me.

I think Brian might have tainted it for me slightly. I shudder at the thought of "runwayyyy." :bored:

[Jason.]

BB13 was so much better for me

BB14 was too manipulated and had too many fakes for me.

Agree.

It annoys me how the show has gotten less tacky now, yet the series are getting worse.

If they had a series like BB13 today, with the way BB is now on C5.

It would be flawless, IMO.

[Daniel.]

It was for me anyway

Deana is the only C5 housemate to make my top 5

[Jason.]

All I'm saying is C5 don't care about Civvy BB anymore, so why should I.

I'm giving it one more chance. If I enjoy BB16. I will continue watching it. If not, then I'll only watch CBB, as they seem to care more about that anyway.

We can only hope BB16 is a great series.

[Jason.]

It was for me anyway

Deana is the only C5 housemate to make my top 5

Deana was amazing.
I love her.

[Daniel.]

Stan the Queen :clap1:

Deana > Gina and Dexter

[Jason.]

Stan the Queen :clap1:

Deana > Gina and Dexter

This.

I'm going bed now, it's late. Good night/morning Daniel.

[Mystic Mock]

I say that if they botch BB16 then don't watch CBB16.

Hit them where it hurts and they might start making better Civilian BB's then, we're in a good position to do it considering it's been renewed for 3 more years.

[Mystic Mock]

Deana was amazing.
I love her.

Oh I do too.:evilgrin:

[Jason.]

I say that if they botch BB16 then don't watch CBB16.

Hit them where it hurts and they might start making better Civilian BB's then, we're in a good position to do it considering it's been renewed for 3 more years.

Yes.

Summer CBB is pointless to me.
It's just something to watch at 9/10pm, on September nights.

[Jason.]

Night all.

:sleep:

[Mystic Mock]

Good night BB6.

[zakman440]

The thing with BB15 for me was that it felt too manufactured. For example, Ashleigh and the Power Alliance was promised immunity in the Power Alliance week yet she had it taken away from her in the hope that it would cause some drama. The producers started to drip feed the housemates clips from their diary room sessions in the hope that it would cause some drama. Big Brother showed the housemates viewer's tweets in the hope that it would cause some drama. The producers fake evicted Helen and Chris after the prize money twist in the hope that it would cause, you guessed it - drama. They focused too much on the dramatic element, which made it drag imo. For me, towards the end of the series every episode just felt like an over-dramatic soap opera. If they'd have balanced it out more with some more fun moments and some more fun tasks then it would have made for much better viewing, but by the end the show just felt like it had the life sucked out of it.

Anyway, getting back on topic, I feel that some twists can work if it isn't one twist every week. For example, if they lay off the face to face noms this series and only have a few nominations twists within the series then it can work well. It's only when there's a nominations twist every week that it starts to feel repetitive.

[BigBrotherGuy100]

Personally I don't see what the big deal with BB13 is.. I hated it. like really heated it. I found the house awful after two nights and the hm boring as feck... Lydia was alright until the public got rid of her.

[Daniel.]

It had tons of drama

[Rob!]

The thing with BB15 for me was that it felt too manufactured. For example, Ashleigh and the Power Alliance was promised immunity in the Power Alliance week yet she had it taken away from her in the hope that it would cause some drama. The producers started to drip feed the housemates clips from their diary room sessions in the hope that it would cause some drama. Big Brother showed the housemates viewer's tweets in the hope that it would cause some drama. The producers fake evicted Helen and Chris after the prize money twist in the hope that it would cause, you guessed it - drama. They focused too much on the dramatic element, which made it drag imo. For me, towards the end of the series every episode just felt like an over-dramatic soap opera. If they'd have balanced it out more with some more fun moments and some more fun tasks then it would have made for much better viewing, but by the end the show just felt like it had the life sucked out of it.

Anyway, getting back on topic, I feel that some twists can work if it isn't one twist every week. For example, if they lay off the face to face noms this series and only have a few nominations twists within the series then it can work well. It's only when there's a nominations twist every week that it starts to feel repetitive.


In the same vein though:

They put two housemates in the bedsit because they wanted drama.
They made them nominate which housemate wouldn't relieve their suitcase for their entire stay in the house because they wanted drama.
They made the newbie kiss someone they wanted to put straight up for eviction because they wanted drama.

It's hardly anything new. The issue I have with it is that the producers pick who to give those sort of tasks to now instead of letting anybody do it.

[BigBrotherGuy100]

For certain twists i think bb needs to refer back to "This is Big Brother, Can one housemate come to the diary room"that way its housemate choice..

[Pete.]

No, Endemol are.
Yas Globally BB is being tainted with twists

[mrmattybeck1]

Personally I don't see what the big deal with BB13 is.. I hated it. like really heated it. I found the house awful after two nights and the hm boring as feck... Lydia was alright until the public got rid of her.
Agree dreadful series much preferred bb14

[joeysteele]

Far too obsessed with twists, they have made it so bad, that the word twist,singular and plural, now is a word I absolutely detest.
They ruin the continuity of the series of BB,by having way too many of the things.

[MB.]

Personally I don't see what the big deal with BB13 is.. I hated it. like really heated it. I found the house awful after two nights and the hm boring as feck... Lydia was alright until the public got rid of her.

Agree dreadful series much preferred bb14

Wrong

[Jay.]

I think it's that reality television has changed as a whole, less raw and more about drama. So in order to keep normal viewers (not necessarily fans like us) watching, they need big events and twists to happen.. they are just simply moving with the times.

You see twists in everything now, like I'm a celebrity etc.

[mrmattybeck1]

Wrong
Nope right

[ruiphillips]

Yes. They've sucked them dry and left no excitement.

[Blog Rider]

Trouble is that it is more of a twist these days to not have one :)