Do Teachers get too many bloody holidays?

[Crimson Dynamo]

How do you feel about all the holidays teachers get. Should they be forced to work for the community good during the holidays that are designed for children?


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[Smithy]

no? teachers work hard, it's not like they're paid during the summer holidays like most people are when they take holiday from work

[joeysteele]

No.

[Crimson Dynamo]

no? teachers work hard, it's not like they're paid during the summer holidays like most people are when they take holiday from work

we all work hard.

[Marsh.]

we all work hard.

So?

Not all jobs are the same. Shock horror. :unsure:

[Crimson Dynamo]

So?

Not all jobs are the same. Shock horror. :unsure:

yes but i am saying should this profession ,who get huge holidays be forced to work for the community good.?

Litter picking and care for elderly

[Crimson Dynamo]

no? teachers work hard, it's not like they're paid during the summer holidays like most people are when they take holiday from work

I think they get an annual salary do are paid for holidays? :think:

[Marsh.]

yes but i am saying should this profession ,who get huge holidays be forced to work for the community good.?

Litter picking and care for elderly

You know, when the kids go off school on these holidays the teachers workload doesn't just stop until the kids come back?

I remember in high school, the teachers were back in almost 2 whole weeks before the end of the summer break.

[Crimson Dynamo]

You know, when the kids go off school on these holidays the teachers workload doesn't just stop until the kids come back?

I remember in high school, the teachers were back in almost 2 whole weeks before the end of the summer break.

when my lot went back after easter the first day was a bloody in service day

how does that work?

[AnnieK]

No the teachers don't but the kids do :hehe:

Make them litter pick during the holidays....or send em back down the mines

[Mokka]

I don't know what it's like there

But here my kids teachers apply for unemployment benefits in the summer... I have even heard of them applying for it during the Christmas break. Plus most of them take 2 to 4 weeks holidays during the school year leaving the kids with substitutes that have no idea what is going on.

Yeah, something about how that all goes down bothers me

[Marsh.]

when my lot went back after easter the first day was a bloody in service day

how does that work?

Do you know what those are? :laugh:

Clue: The teachers don't get those days off. :hehe:

[Crimson Dynamo]

No the teachers don't but the kids do :hehe:

Make them litter pick during the holidays....or send em back down the mines

they do get far too many holiday. I mean easter and october should be cancelled. It sets a bad example for later life

[Crimson Dynamo]

Do you know what those are? :laugh:

Clue: The teachers don't get those days off. :hehe:

yes but whey not have them during the easter hols - its not like the teachers need 2 weeks off at easter

[Kazanne]

I get paid in the holidays,ok I am only a TA,but still get paid as I presume teachers do.:shrug:

[Livia]

You know, when the kids go off school on these holidays the teachers workload doesn't just stop until the kids come back?

I remember in high school, the teachers were back in almost 2 whole weeks before the end of the summer break.

So they work 40 weeks instead of the 38 (give or take) in the academic year. That's still three months off. And they take INSET days during school time. Training should be done during their extremely long holidays.

[Marsh.]

yes but whey not have them during the easter hols - its not like the teachers need 2 weeks off at easter

That's down to the external speakers/tutors who come in for seminars/meetings etc. They schedule when they can come into the school so by and large when this inset day takes place is out of the actual school's hands.

[Jøsh]

Ahem.

[Marsh.]

So they work 40 weeks instead of the 38 (give or take) in the academic year. That's still three months off. And they take INSET days during school time. Training should be done during their extremely long holidays.

Well, I doubt those two weeks are the only weeks outside of term time they worked. It was just an example that I recalled from my own school.

And as I said earlier a lot of the training days have external influence so isn't down to the teachers/school themselves as to when they are held.

[joeysteele]

Well, I doubt those two weeks are the only weeks outside of term time they worked. It was just an example that I recalled from my own school.

You are right,
Many work a lot of the School holidays Marsh, not just those 2 weeks.

[Livia]

My friend is a primary teacher. She works one extra week per year, and she's not alone.

[Will.]

At my school teachers are paid in holidays, they get 17 weeks holiday break - which is a lot considering some people don't even have 2 weeks, but most of the teachers work hard.

[Marsh.]

My friend is a primary teacher. She works one extra week per year, and she's not alone.

So?

All professions work differently.

Let's lynch people who work in a job which provides a different working pattern to my own. :unsure:

[Jay.]

Teachers take a lot of their work home with them, producing presentations, stuff to teach, tests etc. It's far more than a 9-5 job. I know that new teachers usually don't leave the school building until gone 8 because of the amount of work to do.

They also teach a vast amount of children, not just one class. I doubt they don't do any work through week breaks etc. with the amount of essays and tests to mark etc.

I remember my teacher telling me that they are paid for the months that they are there, but the salary is spread out across the year, so that they don't go penny-less over the summer. So they are only being paid during term time, so to speak.

[empire]

teachers are over paid, some of them are lazy, arrogant, argue to much, they like to tell you the truth but don't take it well when you tell them some home truths back, at my school they where paid to much and would treat us like we where not able to learn any thing, and then there was the other ones, that expected us to know what this is in are work, they just throw a book at the table and did not help us very much,

[MB.]

at my school they where paid to much

Whoever your English teacher was must have been the worst of the lot.

[Marsh.]

some of them are lazy, arrogant, argue to much

human beings teas :laugh:

You get these types of people everywhere.

[MB.]

(oh, and in response to the thread, no)

[Cherie]

Love school holiday,don't know how anyone manages on 5 weeks, oh and we get long service days in term time :fan:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Love school holiday,don't know how anyone manages on 5 weeks, oh and we get long service days in term time :fan:

:fist:

[AnnieK]

Love school holiday,don't know how anyone manages on 5 weeks, oh and we get long service days in term time :fan:

:hehe:

[Livia]

So?

All professions work differently.

Let's lynch people who work in a job which provides a different working pattern to my own. :unsure:

No, let's not lynch them. That's a step too far, Marshy.

[Marsh.]

It's like saying stay at home parents get time off whenever the kids go to school. :laugh: Doesn't really work like that.

[Marsh.]

No, let's not lynch them. That's a step too far, Marshy.

:hehe: A light spanking?

[Livia]

:hehe: A light spanking?

Just a normal weekend then.

[MB.]

:hehe: A light spanking?

School was very different back in your day...

[Crimson Dynamo]

I watched the documentary Waterloo Road that was set in Scotland and frankly if that is how they run schools then the whole thing needs shake up

[Marsh.]

I watched the documentary Waterloo Road that was set in Scotland and frankly if that is how they run schools then the whole thing needs shake up

:joker:

[Ammi]

..hmmm maybe some do or get much more holidays than others and earn more money as well because not all teachers do work through holidays or as minimum as they can...but some work from around 7am-7pm each school day and without lunch breaks... and also many weekends with out of school activities and events...there is also things that happen in schools/on school premises that can't happen while the pupils are there so some teachers have to be in school for those as well...

[Livia]

..hmmm maybe some do or get much more holidays than others and earn more money as well because not all teachers do work through holidays or as minimum as they can...but some work from around 7am-7pm each school day and without lunch breaks... and also many weekends with out of school activities and events...there is also things that happen in schools/on school premises that can't happen while the pupils are there so some teachers have to be in school for those as well...

Oi, don't you come in here with your reasoned arguments...

[Crimson Dynamo]

Oi, don't you come in here with your reasoned arguments...

there is always one

:idc:

[Pete.]

No, teachers have long days (8-6 plus marking time at home) and still do work like lesson planning during school holidays.

[Tom4784]

It's not an easy job and the pay isn't that great considering, If I was a teacher I wouldn't deal with snot nosed mistakes all day if it weren't for the holidays

[Denver]

I think the children get to many holidays

[Niamh.]

I think the children get to many holidays


Aw no, they're just kids, summer holidays as a kid were some of the best times in my life, I want my kids to have fun and those good memories too when they're looking back as adults and getting crappy holidays like everyone else (unless they decide to become a teacher of course lol )

[Denver]

Aw no, they're just kids, summer holidays as a kid were some of the best times in my life, I want my kids to have fun and those good memories too when they're looking back as adults and getting crappy holidays like everyone else (unless they decide to become a teacher of course lol )

I got bored too easily in the holidays and the same goes for my niece and nephews

[Niamh.]

I got bored too easily in the holidays and the same goes for my niece and nephews


I never got bored on my holidays :laugh:

[AnnieK]

I never got bored on my holidays :laugh:

Yeah me neither...fun times :lovedup:

[Denver]

I never got bored on my holidays :laugh:

I guess its a generation thing :joker:

I got bored halfway through the holidays but as soon as I went back too school I was counting down the next one :hehe:

[joeysteele]

I never got bored on my holidays :laugh:

Nor me, great times.

[Toy Soldier]

I never got bored on my holidays [emoji23]
My 5 year old did get pretty bored last summer to be honest, 7 weeks is a bit too long we that age, I remember it when I was young - the last couple of weeks used to drag so badly :joker:.

I wouldn't give less holidays though, I'd take 2 weeks off of the summer and add one at easter and one in October.

As for the thread topic - from what I've heard from most of my teacher friends, working a 70-hour week can be pretty standard, and whilst I know that's also true of many "high powered" careers, the pay given to teachers certainly doesn't reflect those sorts of hours. So if you take those worked hours in lieu, their holidays are probably reasonable.

I get 6 weeks holiday a year but I can bank overtime in this way "officially" and take the hours as holiday rather than take it paid. Two weeks of moderate overtime can bag me an extra week off. All things considered, I probably take 8 full weeks and a couple of 5-day stretches through the year.

Wanting people to work like they're on community service just because they get more holidays than you do sounds like a firm case of the jealous jessies to me :joker:.

[JoshBB]

No. They are pushed enough, they deserve more holidays.

[Kizzy]

Why don't they just de professionalise every sector except MPs, bankers and lawyers?

[Crimson Dynamo]

My 5 year old did get pretty bored last summer to be honest, 7 weeks is a bit too long we that age, I remember it when I was young - the last couple of weeks used to drag so badly :joker:.

I wouldn't give less holidays though, I'd take 2 weeks off of the summer and add one at easter and one in October.

As for the thread topic - from what I've heard from most of my teacher friends, working a 70-hour week can be pretty standard, and whilst I know that's also true of many "high powered" careers, the pay given to teachers certainly doesn't reflect those sorts of hours. So if you take those worked hours in lieu, their holidays are probably reasonable.

I get 6 weeks holiday a year but I can bank overtime in this way "officially" and take the hours as holiday rather than take it paid. Two weeks of moderate overtime can bag me an extra week off. All things considered, I probably take 8 full weeks and a couple of 5-day stretches through the year.

Wanting people to work like they're on community service just because they get more holidays than you do sounds like a firm case of the jealous jessies to me :joker:.

I take 1 week a year and so should teachers. :fist: Then perhaps we would have a bright future. Its not jealousy its progressive politics.

I can see only ukip adopting this great move. Nigel works 7 days a week . Which should be the norm. Lazy toy soldier is the problem

[MTVN]

Nigel gets to spend half his time 'working' in the pub though which isn't a bad deal

[smudgie]

No.
If anything they have to big a workload.
My daughter goes in every holidays for sorting the classroom, planning etc.
Works late most nights and then writes up reports once she gets home.
Even her weekends aren't her own, she managed to get away from schoolwork this weekend, by taking the kids camping for their D of E awards.
For all the hard work, she still finds it very rewarding.

[the truth]

TEACHING IS HARD WORK. I do think its too hard to get rid of bad teachers, I do think we need to actively seek to get more male teachers, especially primary, maybe they will bring in positive discrimination male only teacher posts....overall I say let them have their holidays

[lostalex]

they say caring for a child (a housewife or a nanny) in an of itself is a full time job, imagine taking care of 30 children. is that 30 full time jobs? Teachers most definitely deserve their extra holidays.

My sister is a teacher and the horror stories i hear, if it was any other job, if any other profession someone had to deal with what she has to deal with on a daily basis, she could sue for harassment and abuse and all sorts of other things. Teachers put up with more in one week than any other job has to put up with in an entire year.

[Toy Soldier]

I take 1 week a year and so should teachers. :fist: Then perhaps we would have a bright future. Its not jealousy its progressive politics.

I can see only ukip adopting this great move. Nigel works 7 days a week . Which should be the norm. Lazy toy soldier is the problem
A bright future of perpetual work. Woohoo, LT knows how to paaartaaayy!

[Kizzy]

A bright future of perpetual work. Woohoo, LT knows how to paaartaaayy!

He has to keep those shareholders in Versace TS!! :fist:

[Cherie]

Did I mention half term is the week after next :flutter:

[joeysteele]

No.
If anything they have to big a workload.
My daughter goes in every holidays for sorting the classroom, planning etc.
Works late most nights and then writes up reports once she gets home.
Even her weekends aren't her own, she managed to get away from schoolwork this weekend, by taking the kids camping for their D of E awards.
For all the hard work, she still finds it very rewarding.

Off topic,you must be pleased at the promotion of James Smudgie,

On topic now, I have great sympathy for teachers, this is where I have no political gripe at all as to one party.
Teachers must get fed up,govt; after govt; comes in and starts dismantling what the previous one did.

There is far too much changing of education procedure and never enough continuity of policy from any of the parties.

This must add massively to Teachers workloads and how I wish some consensus as to education policy was in place and it left alone for a long period with no govt; interference at all.

Teachers must be at times driven crazy with all the new plans and changes being kept being forced on them.
So even if, and I stress if, it appears on paper they get a lot of holidays, then for me they should have them.
It must be a constant nightmare as to a a profession, not only in the working in the classrooms but wondering what on earth politicians will be coming up with next for them to change and learn, as 'experiments' as to children's futures.