Is BBUK the victim of racism? (Pray for Saira Khan)

[Marsh.]

yeah i agree its hard to remember anyone from bb13 other that beauty queen deana x

Ha epilator >>>>>>>>>>>> Shievonne

[Jason.]

Shievonne was great. :nono:

[Jason.]

Wake up and smell the houmous.

[armand.kay]

Wake up and smell the houmous.

when she had to clutch oranges to stop her talking with her hands <3

[Jason.]

Oh yeah her hand talking.

[Marsh.]

when she had to clutch oranges to stop her talking with her hands <3

:laugh2:

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

i think because of the aggressive black woman stereotype they need to be sweet as pie otherwise they are seen as aggressive.

Nah doesn't work either. Then you're labelled as fake or "something is off"

[Marsh.]

Nah doesn't work either. Then you're labelled as fake or "something is off"

Which equally applies to white housemates like Chloe.

[Calderyon]

Shievonne lost to Conor of all people. In a vote to save. By a margin of over 60%.

[y.winter]

lmao at Derek making it to the black female collage.

Shievonne's eviction outfit was panto, that's what I remember her for. :laugh:

[armand.kay]

Nah doesn't work either. Then you're labelled as fake or "something is off"
that's what annoyed me about adjoa being so hated. No one has a valid reason people on the bots panel just said their was something about her. Like wtf.

[y.winter]

She was quite shallow with her "I like puuseh", she did herself no favour. Saying that, I don't justify the horrible reception she got on eviction night, the crowd went automatically on "off! off!"-mode.

[Mystic Mock]

that's what annoyed me about adjoa being so hated. No one has a valid reason people on the bots panel just said their was something about her. Like wtf.

Adjoa could've been a mix of racism and jealousy that did her in.

[susie q]

Dont think its all down to racism, bb seems to have fallen into choosing a certain type of house mate like Charley who was brash and loud(Although she was the one I liked most during the hotel task), therefore creating their own stereotypes. I think they have also done it with male house mates. ie flambouyant gay males Mark last year, Aaron this year.
It seems like stereotypes are the safe option for them, but not necessarily confined to black females.

[Pete.]

Which equally applies to white housemates like Chloe.
No the Sam crucifixion in the final week would have been worse than Chloe

[Marsh.]

No the Sam crucifixion in the final week would have been worse than Chloe

Would have?

I'm not here for hypotheticals. :nono:

[Pete.]

Would have?

I'm not here for hypotheticals. :nono:
Well if producers didn't rob us in broad daylight we would have never known how far Sam would have gone

[Marsh.]

Well if producers didn't rob us in broad daylight we would have never known how far Sam would have gone

Drag them racist prods

[Robodog]

I definitely don't think there is racism as an issue in BB. I think BB is one TV show where diversity is embraced and celebrated - the quirkier the better. I think most true fans don't even think about a HMs race these days, they just see the person.

But i can't help feeling there is some kind of sexism at play at times, especially with the eviction crowd. Watching this year i couldn't help notice that all the women (bar Chloe) got booed and heckled - usually for no reason. I don't know if it's sexism per se but there seems to be a lot of crowd hostility towards women who are attractive and strong minded ie perceived as a 'threat' in the less open-minded of the crowd members.

They didn't boo Chloe as (presumably) they had pigeon-holed her as the non-threatening 'girl next door type' but if she was more outspoken and sexually forthcoming, i bet she would have got booed like all the others.

[TomC]

I actually agree with the above post.

I was watching the BB6 final the other day, when the ex-HMs were welcomed back ALL the women were booed apart from Mary whos reception was OK And all the men were cheered bar Maxwell who had a few boos. It's unbelievacle, especially when many of the men behaved much worse than the women.

[uniquedude]

Seriously as a black person I find this so silly and pulling out the race card quicker than my dad wished he pulled out my mum.

Adjoa, Toya, Pauline, Charley, Gina: all did things worthy of eviction imo
Makosi and Gina both came third
People largely sided with Brian Belo over Helen and he's black.

What I find racist is Big Brother filling a quota of two black people a year, what about other ethnicities and nationalities. Bring in more Asians I say.

[ThriceShy]

Lets be serious here, following Adjoa's unjustful eviction can some uncomfortable issues be raised when looking at the history of black female contestants on Big Brother.

Here are some examples:

Melanie: The first black female contestant was loved mostly amongst the house and yet not cared for by the public, she came last in Channel 4's 2005 Best Housemate poll.

Amma: The first Black contestant to receive the 'angry black girl' edit and was thus evicted when she was first up.

Adele: The first ever housemate to be heavily booed on their exit when the irony was that JADE was the main culprit for behaviour worthy of booing.

Vanessa: Her housemate qualities were largely overlooked by the public and people only commented that she ate too much. Her eviction came about when Vanessa and Makosi (the only black females) received the most votes from the public and when she was evicted in one of the cruellest evictions she was booed heavily.

Makosi - She came 3rd and top female of her year. However, in week 1 she could have easily have failed her mission and been nominated and evicted as the public had not gotten to know her yet. Also, on the week of Vanessa's eviction had it not been for the twist she would have been evicted with the most public votes. She also received one of the worst eviction receptions from the crowd in her final and in her UBB eviction.

BO Dawn - Confusingly Dawn was easily the favourite to go during the first eviction of BB7 but I can't see why.

Shilpa - Shilpa was treated awfully by the crowd and public before the race row exploded. Even when she won she was booed and some people STILL believe that Shilpa was in the wrong and only won out of pity

Nicky: The public again focused on the 'man-hating' side of Nicky and not the housemate that Nicky was and even Davina treated her unfairly.

Charley: Viewed as heavily aggressive by the public, and was constantly chanted by the crowd outside for weeks, despite not being up for eviction. Yet, Helen Wood, viewed as more aggressive than Charley and Alexandra and received 14 warning from BB in 2 weeks, won her series.

Sophia: Evicted the first week she was nominated by the public (although she did receive enough votes to become a housemate) with around 91% of the votes because she had two arguments with Saffia however Saffia left on the same day and the eviction should have been cancelled.

Hira: Heavily booed on entrance, however had the best reception for her series on her eviction but she was evicted over more hated housemates such as Lisa. She too treated awful by the producers who called her the most entertaining housemates in an attempt to humiliate her.

Rachel: Evicted on the first week against Sunshine who had received the most hate from the housemates and crowd alike and yet remained over Rachel.

Tashie: A nice girl, and yet the first evicted. Why? Because she did a sex tape

Heaven: Called out on fighting (in a two-sided manner with Rebeckah) and was evicted in week 3.

Shievonne: Went from being a favourite to most hated in a space of a few weeks. When she was nominated for the first time against CONOR she received only around 19% of the vote meaning that CONOR receievd about 81%.

Gina: Instantly disliked as a 'rich bitch' although I don't recall Grace etc getting as much hate as Gina did on her launch night. She must have narrowly escaped eviction against Sallie by around 1/2% and by doing so allowed time for the public to develop their opinion on her, mostly positively. She was easily favourite to win right up to the last minute when Sam overtook as the anti-Dexter and Gina vote.

Pauline - Also quickly went from being launch night favourite to national enemy in a period of a few days. Maybe she should have chilled out on the chicken but the point being that she was evicted with an incredible landslide bearing in mind it was a 7-way (?) eviction.

Toya A Washington - Toya was vilified after Hurricane Toya hit the house over the course of one weekend and she was evicted the first time she was nominated, arguably because she came across more ghetto when Marlon and Winston came over most aggressive.

Biannca - After Simon (:spin:) hold the record for the shortest time spent in the house, 4 days. The public latched on the fact she was a tad promiscuous and felt she deserved saving the least over PAV.

Adjoa - She did nothing to deserve chants and boos and was evicted her first time nominated for seemingly no apparent reason, even Emma agrees.

Sam - A lovely girl slated for being fake and scheming and was given very little airtime because she wasn't the stereotypical 'angry minority' etc.

This is NOT a baiting thread but one for serious debate and discussion. I for one believe there is a sinister undertone for the fact that black women are more rapidly hated than white females and men in general. The truth is that Shilpa is the only minority female housemate to win BB and people still think it was because of a pity vote and not because she was the best housemate. In the regular series, there have been 15 winners so far, and only one of them has been black, Brian.

Discuss please, I expect some level of disagreement

All those housemates you listed were vile for various reasons.

If you want to claim racism then you need to explain why Brian Belo won. Or why Nadia won. Or why Narinder was so popular.

[reece(:]

All those housemates you listed were vile for various reasons.

If you want to claim racism then you need to explain why Brian Belo won. Or why Nadia won. Or why Narinder was so popular.
They were ALL vile?

Wow

[ThriceShy]

They were ALL vile?

Wow

Well most of them were. That list is virtually a who's who of my least liked housemates.

Adele was an awful bully and I couldn't stand Mel in BB1 and it certainly wasn't her race that was the problem.

Yeah, to be honest, with the exception of Hira, who didn't really do anything, they are all horrible housemates.

[Macie Lightfoot]

alol people dismissing any possible racism because one black person won.

[Jake.]

No, it's the victim of choosing some pretty **** housemates, regardless of colour. The majority you've listed were booed/evicted for multiple reasons

[Pete.]

No, it's the victim of choosing some pretty **** housemates, regardless of colour. The majority you've listed were booed/evicted for multiple reasons
Does Cougar Jo deserve boos and 'Get Jo out'?

[Pete.]

alol people dismissing any possible racism because one black person won.
.

[Jake.]

Does Cougar Jo deserve boos and 'Get Jo out'?

Of course not, but plenty of housemates do not deserve chants (and BB11 was where the pointless chanting for anyone kinda started to show itself more)

[ThriceShy]

I really do think this is all nonsense.

For years we have been told that sexism is afoot because women always leave first. But the majority of voters are female so how can that work???

Many white people have been evicted "unfairly" and if you put them all in a big list like the OP then you could argue it is racism against whites.

[Cherie]

I really do think this is all nonsense.

For years we have been told that sexism is afoot because women always leave first. But the majority of voters are female so how can that work???

Many white people have been evicted "unfairly" and if you put them all in a big list like the OP then you could argue it is racism against whites.

:clap1: you can find racism everywhere and against every colour if you look hard enough

[swinearefine]

lol there are people who don't know BBUK is racist? Always has been, always will be if the viewers don't address it. It's not specific to BBUK, it's western culture as a whole that is racist, and that racism permeates everything... especially BBUK.

[ThriceShy]

lol there are people who don't know BBUK is racist? Always has been, always will be if the viewers don't address it. It's not specific to BBUK, it's western culture as a whole that is racist, and that racism permeates everything... especially BBUK.

Why didn't racism permeate the series where a very black, black man won?

[Pete.]

Why didn't racism permeate the series where a very black, black man won?
You can't cast off everything in the OP and the fact that every girl of colour in the Channel 5 era has been slaughtered in one form or another just because Brian won in 2007, a racial conscience year for the BBUK franchise

[swinearefine]

Why didn't racism permeate the series where a very black, black man won?

"i'm not racist, i have a black friend!"

[Macie Lightfoot]

Having a single black winner doesn't mean that the show isn't predominantly racist lmfao this isn't all or nothing.

[swinearefine]

You can't cast off everything in the OP and the fact that every girl of colour in the Channel 5 era has been slaughtered in one form or another just because Brian won in 2007, a racial conscience year for the BBUK franchise

yeah the editors/audience didn't have time to hate Brian, they were too busy hating the women of color that year (Charley, Nicky, Shabnam)

[Liam-]

I think if anything it's plagued by sexism rather than racism

[Pete.]

I think if anything it's plagued by sexism rather than racism
It's both :{}

[Macie Lightfoot]

Many white people have been evicted "unfairly" and if you put them all in a big list like the OP then you could argue it is racism against whites.

White people have only won 15 out of 16 series :(

[Jason.]

Not to mention the first and only Asian and Black winners in BB/CBB happened to win the series which both aired in 2007 - which is also the year of racial misconduct within BBUK.

[Cherie]

White people have only won 15 out of 16 series :(

If we were living in Africa you might have a point

[Jack_]

It's both :{}

And the two of them together are a lethal combination. If you're a black woman who isn't Gina then bye

[ThriceShy]

White people have only won 15 out of 16 series :(

Doesn't seem to be anything statistically significant about that.

The vast majority of this country are white and the vast majority of contestants on BB are white.

Some of the most popular contestants haven't been white either. Narinder was very popular. Alison was very popular and has now forged a 13 year TV career out of her time in the house.

In BB5 Victor and Ahmed were hugely popular.

[ThriceShy]

I think if anything it's plagued by sexism rather than racism

Yeah damn those sexist female voters not voting for women.:laugh:

[Cherie]

Doesn't seem to be anything statistically significant about that.

The vast majority of this country are white and the vast majority of contestants on BB are white.

Some of the most popular contestants haven't been white either. Narinder was very popular. Alison was very popular and has now forged a 13 year TV career out of her time in the house.

In BB5 Victor and Ahmed were hugely popular.

Nooooo don't burst the bubble.....

[Pete.]

Doesn't seem to be anything statistically significant about that.

The vast majority of this country are white and the vast majority of contestants on BB are white.

Some of the most popular contestants haven't been white either. Narinder was very popular. Alison was very popular and has now forged a 13 year TV career out of her time in the house.

In BB5 Victor and Ahmed were hugely popular.
Alison left week 2 over 2 white men?

And Ahmed was truly hated plus Victor got one of the first ever eviction chants

[susie q]

Ageism, is equally prevalent in BB. There hasnt been that many House mates over the age of 40 in the normal BBs, and even less in the channel 5 years. Eileen being nominated for her age was ludicrous, especially as she was shaping up to be an entertaining house Yet CBB has a lot of 40 plus who have proved entertaining have gone on to win.

[ThriceShy]

Alison left week 2 over 2 white men?

She was the biggest character. They always leave in a vote to evict.

And Ahmed was truly hated plus Victor got one of the first ever eviction chants

Ahmed wasn't hated. The jungle cats were loved.

Victor would have won the show if it weren't for the unfortunate incident where he called shell a ****.

[LukeB]

Victor would have won the show if it weren't for the unfortunate incident where he called shell a ****.

Over Nadia?:laugh:

[Cherie]

Ageism, is equally prevalent in BB. There hasnt been that many House mates over the age of 40 in the normal BBs, and even less in the channel 5 years. Eileen being nominated for her age was ludicrous, especially as she was shaping up to be an entertaining house Yet CBB has a lot of 40 plus who have proved entertaining have gone on to win.

Oh no ageism, sexism. racism and probably every other ism as well :worry: It really should be taken off air....all hail the PC brigade

[Jack_]

Yeah damn those sexist female voters not voting for women.:laugh:

Female on female sexism does exist, is arguably worse than male on female sexism and is certainly more disheartening.

It's all a product of patriarchy though.

[ThriceShy]

Over Nadia?:laugh:

Would that be Nadia the transexual with the dark skin, portuguese heritage and foreign accent?

Wow, must have been a really racist, sexist and prejudiced audience that voted for her to win.:laugh:

[Jason.]

Ahmed wasn't hated. The jungle cats were loved.

Victor would have won the show if it weren't for the unfortunate incident where he called shell a ****.

You couldn't be more incorrect. I just finished re-watching BB5 a few days ago, not to mention I remember the opinions back in 2004.

The Jungle Cats weren't loved at all. Hence, why Jason and Victor and anyone else who was close to them were booed when they left the house or when Davina mentioned their names during live shows. And why Michelle, Marco, and Nadia were cheered.

Also, it was Shell that called Victor a ****, not the other way round. It was Victor's reaction to it, which got him the boot. Not to mention, how he treated other housemates that night, like Daniel.

And he wouldn't have won. Nadia was a clear fave to win for 6 weeks. Victor probably would've come 2nd - the same way Jason did.

[ItWasJustBanter]

Totally racist season. Marc attacked from start to finish. Sad day.

[Ashley.]

Would that be Nadia the transexual with the dark skin, portuguese heritage and foreign accent?

She didn't just win for being transexual, she was thoroughly enjoyable to watch.

[Cherie]

Female on female sexism does exist, is arguably worse than male on female sexism and is certainly more disheartening.

It's all a product of patriarchy though.

Yes it exists as does male on male,welcome to life!

[LukeB]

Would that be Nadia the transexual with the dark skin, portuguese heritage and foreign accent?

Wow, must have been a really racist, sexist and prejudiced audience that voted for her to win.:laugh:

no need to be patronising:laugh:

[Ashley.]

Lmao at 5 people posting at the same time

[Cherie]

Lmao at 5 people posting at the same time

Beats no one posting :joker:

[ThriceShy]

Female on female sexism does exist, is arguably worse than male on female sexism and is certainly more disheartening.

It's all a product of patriarchy though.

Yes of course it is. All men's fault that women are jealous of prettier slimmer women.:laugh:

There is no sexism. Women just seem to hate other women who are prettier than them and it is women who largely vote on BB.

Imagine a situation where 3 women are up....the slimmest/prettiest one is usually a goner. Not sexism, just jealousy.

[Jason.]

Would that be Nadia the transexual with the dark skin, portuguese heritage and foreign accent?

Wow, must have been a really racist, sexist and prejudiced audience that voted for her to win.:laugh:

Yes, because Portuguese is a race. I think you're mixing up racism with xenophobia.

[ThriceShy]

She didn't just win for being transexual, she was thoroughly enjoyable to watch.

Well done on completely missing my point.

Read the second sentence of my post again.

[Pete.]

You couldn't be more incorrect. I just finished re-watching BB5 a few days ago, not to mention I remember the opinions back in 2004.

The Jungle Cats weren't loved at all. Hence, why Jason and Victor and anyone else who was close to them were booed when they left the house or when Davina mentioned their names during live shows. And why Michelle, Marco, and Nadia were cheered.

Also, it was Shell that called Victor a ****, not the other way round. It was Victor's reaction to it, which got him the boot. Not to mention, how he treated other housemates that night, like Daniel.

And he wouldn't have won. Nadia was a clear fave to win for 6 weeks. Victor probably would've come 2nd - the same way Jason did.
Exactly they were loathed

[Macie Lightfoot]

She was the biggest character. They always leave in a vote to evict.

that's not even true (that big characters always leave in VTE and that Alison was the biggest character)

[ThriceShy]

Yes, because Portuguese is a race. I think you're mixing up racism with xenophobia.

So you think the same, clearly tolerant, audience that voted a foreign transexual a winner is suddenly going to be all intolerant of black people?

It makes no sense.

And the fact that a black man did win in BB8 says it all. The audience are not racist. They just dislike aggressive women, which is what most of the people in the OP's list are.

[Cherie]

Yes of course it is. All men's fault that women are jealous of prettier slimmer women.:laugh:

There is no sexism. Women just seem to hate other women who are prettier than them and it is women who largely vote on BB.

Imagine a situation where 3 women are up....the slimmest/prettiest one is usually a goner. Not sexism, just jealousy.

:umm2:

[Ashley.]

You can be entertaining and likeable at the same time. If you go in there and start shouting the odds (Marc), then the public are likely to hate you. Quick fix to the issue? Don't be a dick.

So many people on here are like "ah the big characters always go first" yes, because production are ****ing **** at getting the casting right. They think we're only interested in people who are likely to cause drama when that has never been the case. If they put someone in who is a big character but isn't mean, vile and nasty, then the public will save them. The term "big character" is losing its meaning and nowadays, basically just means people who cause unnecessary conflict.

[Jason.]

So you think the same, clearly tolerant, audience that voted a foreign transexual a winner is suddenly going to be all intolerant of black people?

It makes no sense.

And the fact that a black man did win in BB8 says it all. The audience are not racist. They just dislike aggressive women, which is what most of the people in the OP's list are.

The fact that the first and only Asian (Shilpa) and black (Brian) housemates who've won a series of CBB/BB happened to win both the series which aired in 2007 - the year of racial misconduct within BBUK. Coincidence?

"The public don't like aggressive women"

Yes, because that's why Helen Wood was crowned the winner of Big Brother, last year - whilst Deana and Gina (both WOC) happened to loose their win in the last few days, for being nasty - yet the public had no problem crowning Helen as the winner, who'd been nasty throughout her series.

[ThriceShy]

You couldn't be more incorrect. I just finished re-watching BB5 a few days ago, not to mention I remember the opinions back in 2004.

The Jungle Cats weren't loved at all. Hence, why Jason and Victor and anyone else who was close to them were booed when they left the house or when Davina mentioned their names during live shows. And why Michelle, Marco, and Nadia were cheered.

Also, it was Shell that called Victor a ****, not the other way round. It was Victor's reaction to it, which got him the boot. Not to mention, how he treated other housemates that night, like Daniel.

And he wouldn't have won. Nadia was a clear fave to win for 6 weeks. Victor probably would've come 2nd - the same way Jason did.


So you think the black guy victor would have come second but the audience is racist?

How does that work?:shrug:

[Ashley.]

So you think the black guy victor would have come second but the audience is racist?

How does that work?:shrug:

Why are you calling him "Black Guy Victor"? Like jeez no need to put a label on it.

[Jason.]

So you think the black guy victor would have come second but the audience is racist?

How does that work?:shrug:

Well frankly. Because Victor was a big character, and up against two quieter characters Dan and Shell in a VTW, so he'd get the Jungle Cat votes.

How do you think both Nadia and Jason made it to the Final 2?

Not to mention, Victor is a man. I thought it was a fact that black women get it far worse than black men.

[Macie Lightfoot]

It's funny how some people are throwing out that all of the black women are AGGRESSIVE and that's why they go. I personally think someone like Marcus Akin is a lot more aggressive, but you never see him get called that.

Also, one black man winning doesn't disqualify the fact that it took twelve years for a black woman to survive a head-to-head eviction :eek:

[Jason.]

It's funny how some people are throwing out that all of the black women are AGGRESSIVE and that's why they go. I personally think someone like Marcus Akin is a lot more aggressive, but you never see him get called that.

Also, one black man winning doesn't disqualify the fact that it took twelve years for a black woman to survive a head-to-head eviction :eek:

Exactly.

Or the fact that almost every single black female has either been evicted at the first opportunity, hasn't made it past the halfway mark of their respective series, and booted out to an awful reception.

[Ashley.]

I thought it was a fact that black women get it far worse than black men.

This is true; but I don't think it's down to racism. The black women that get chosen don't represent black women as a whole, they're usually a stereotypical "ratchet ass" (possible lesbian) "don't make me come in there" type woman.

[Pete.]

So you think the black guy victor would have come second but the audience is racist?

How does that work?:shrug:
But Victor came 6th :umm2:

[Cherie]

How many white people have appeared on BB Africa? How many have won? and is anyone moaning about racism?

[ThriceShy]

But Victor came 6th :umm2:

So he didn't come last?

How did that happen if the audience are racist?

[Ashley.]

How many white people have appeared on BB Africa? How many have won? and is anyone moaning about racism?

I don't think that's how it works...

[ThriceShy]

Why are you calling him "Black Guy Victor"? Like jeez no need to put a label on it.

I didn't call him "black guy victor"

I said "the black guy", victor.

Please don't deliberately misinterpret my posts.

[Ashley.]

So he didn't come last?

How did that happen if the audience are racist?

Because he wasn't nominated until Week 7.

You do know how Big Brother works, don't you?

[Jack_]

Yes it exists as does male on male,welcome to life!

Indeed, doesn't make it acceptable though or that we should sit back and defend it or let it pass

Yes of course it is. All men's fault that women are jealous of prettier slimmer women.:laugh:

There is no sexism. Women just seem to hate other women who are prettier than them and it is women who largely vote on BB.

Imagine a situation where 3 women are up....the slimmest/prettiest one is usually a goner. Not sexism, just jealousy.

Of course it is, it all stems from the media's drive to make everybody (especially women) body conscious and superficial. The endless glam mags, slut shaming women, laughing at female celebrities who have put on a bit of weight, step outside their house without make up on, you must buy this to look like this, you must own this to be as good as her. The list goes on. And these media conglomerates are owned and run predominantly by white, rich, straight men. They set the agenda, they socialise the consumers into adhering to this culture.

Thus when TV shows like this exist you get women taking mens side a lot of the time and slut shaming the female contestants.

It has everything to do with patriarchy.

[Ashley.]

I didn't call him "black guy victor"

I said "the black guy", victor.

Please don't deliberately misinterpret my posts.

Yes, why are you calling him that?

[ThriceShy]

Indeed, doesn't make it acceptable though or that we should sit back and defend it or let it pass



Of course it is, it all stems from the media's drive to make everybody (especially women) body conscious and superficial. The endless glam mags, slut shaming women, laughing at female celebrities who have put on a bit of weight, step outside their house without make up on, you must buy this to look like this, you must own this to be as good as her. The list goes on. And these media conglomerates are owned and run predominantly by white, rich, straight men. They set the agenda, they socialise the consumers into adhering to this culture.

Thus when TV shows like this exist you get women taking mens side a lot of the time and slut shaming the female contestants.

It has everything to do with patriarchy.

Tin foil hat alert!:joker:

[Jason.]

So he didn't come last?

How did that happen if the audience are racist?

Eh? He didn't come last in the game, because he wasn't up for eviction that week or any other week for that matter. That was Dan vs. Vanessa.

[Pete.]

So he didn't come last?

How did that happen if the audience are racist?
Victor was evicted as soon as he was nominated like most black contestants

[ThriceShy]

Yes, why are you calling him that?

I'm not calling him anything. I am pointing out that he was the black guy in that series.

Was he not black? have I made a mistake?

[Cherie]

I don't think that's how it works...

Really? Tell me how it works then, so it's perfectly acceptable for a predominantly Black Country to host an all black cast, but the same is not acceptable for a predominantly white country?

[Pete.]

I'm not calling him anything. I am pointing out that he was the black guy in that series.

Was he not black? have I made a mistake?
Just call him Victor lmao

[ThriceShy]

Victor was evicted as soon as he was nominated like much black contestants

Except brian belo who won, despite coming into a series late.

Were all the racists not voting that night?

[ThriceShy]

Just call him Victor lmao

I didn't even know his surname was "lmao".

[Ashley.]

Except brian belo who won, despite coming into a series late.

Were all the racists not voting that night?

Brian wasn't nominated until Week 11, and by then, he'd already had 9 weeks to allow the public to form an opinion on him.

[Pete.]

Except brian belo who won, despite coming into a series late.

Were all the racists not voting that night?
The Brian example is stupid because Charley, Nicky and Shabnam were all evicted as soon as they were up

[ThriceShy]

Brian wasn't nominated until Week 11, and by then, he'd already had 9 weeks to allow the public to form an opinion on him.

Their opinion of him seems pretty good. Why would racists form such a good opinion of him?

[Jason.]

Except brian belo who won, despite coming into a series late.

Were all the racists not voting that night?

You've pretty much brought that up like 3 times in the last ten minutes. :idc:

I'm not going to repeat my self. I've replied to that twice, none of which you've replied back too. Scroll up.

[Jack_]

Tin foil hat alert!:joker:

Yeah because that's definitely not the case :rolleyes: do your research and don't argue with facts.

I had a feeling you'd just pick one part of my post and choose to ignore the rest as you usually do, so I'm not sure why I bothered to post a serious reply.

Racism and sexism are very prominent issues on BBUK and that's all there is to it. Get back to me when you wish to debate properly.

[Pete.]

Their opinion of him seems pretty good. Why would racists form such a good opinion of him?
You have 1 example out of 34 winners (Shilpa won too btw)

[ThriceShy]

The Brian example is stupid because Charley, Nicky and Shabnam were all evicted as soon as they were up

They were evicted for good reason.

Charley was a horrible argumentative little chav.

Nicky was a snide.

And Shabnam was a desperate fame seeker who had been filmed in the diary room asking if she would still get mag deals if she walked.

And Brian won because he was funny and a nice guy. If Charley had had brians personality then she would have won.

[Ashley.]

Their opinion of him seems pretty good. Why would racists form such a good opinion of him?

Perhaps he made them see that he's actually a nice person and therefore they had no reason to hate him. Your first impression isn't always your permanent impression.

[ThriceShy]

Perhaps he made them see that he's actually a nice person and therefore they had no reason to hate him.

So not racists then.:laugh:

[Pete.]

They were evicted for good reason.

Charley was a horrible argumentative little chav.

Nicky was a snide.

And Shabnam was a desperate fame seeker who had been filmed in the diary room asking if she would still get mag deals if she walked.

And Brian won because he was funny and a nice guy. If Charley had had brians personality then she would have won.
Charley wasn't a chav and Nicky wasn't snide wth? BB8 rewatch needed

[Jack_]

oh god not the 'chav' word

not classism plaguing the forum as well now

[Ashley.]

So not racists then.:laugh:

Are you capable of having an adult conversation? Just because someone's racist once, doesn't mean that they are racist for the rest of their lives.

[ThriceShy]

You have 1 example out of 34 winners (Shilpa won too btw)

So 2 winners out of 34. That seems statistically about what you would expect given that the majority of contestants and voters are white.

How many black winners do you think there should have been?

[Macie Lightfoot]

I think some black women should've survived at least one eviction :shrug:

[Ashley.]

So 2 winners out of 34. That seems statistically about what you would expect given that the majority of contestants and voters are white.

How many black winners do you think there should have been?

Melanie, Makosi, Deana and Gina would've been nice tbh.

[Pete.]

I think some black women should've survived at least one eviction :shrug:
.

[Pete.]

So 2 winners out of 34. That seems statistically about what you would expect given that the majority of contestants and voters are white.

How many black winners do you think there should have been?
Gina should have won her season, as should have Deana or Adam on there's

[ThriceShy]

Melanie, Makosi, Deana and Gina would've been nice tbh.

Why should melanie have won? Craig was a nicer person. He can't help being white.

Are you saying mel should have won because she is a black woman?

[Pete.]

I mean a minority did not even win BB6 when half the house were minorites

[Ashley.]

why should melanie have won? Craig was a nicer person. He can't help being white.

are you saying mel should have won because she is a black woman

LMAO IS THIS REAL

:laugh:

[reece(:]

I mean a minority did not even win BB6 when half the house were minorites
And the top 2 were bland white males

[ThriceShy]

Gina should have won her season, as should have Deana or Adam on there's

In your opinion.

[ThriceShy]

I mean a minority did not even win BB6 when half the house were minorites

Who was nice in BB6?

Very few people if I remember. Would you really want Derek or Science as the winner?

[Macie Lightfoot]

Why should melanie have won? Craig was a nicer person. He can't help being white.

Are you saying mel should have won because she is a black woman?

I don't think Melanie should've received hate for having close friendships with boys and kissing them on the lips one time while being single. Especially considering that Claire spent her whole time flirting with Craig despite having a boyfriend of nine years (!!!) and the audience was pushing for a showmance.

[Ashley.]

In your opinion.

my brain hurts... you asked his opinion... he gave you his opinion... you blast him for saying his opinion... I don't even know where to start...

[Pete.]

Who was nice in BB6?

Very few people if I remember. Would you really want Derek or Science as the winner?
Actually Makosi provided the most entertainment all series (isn't that the reason behind Helen's win?) yet she was beaten by Eubore and Anthony

[Pete.]

my brain hurts... you asked his opinion... he gave you his opinion... you blast him for saying his opinion... I don't even know where to start...
Don't worry lmao

[Cherie]

Really? Tell me how it works then, so it's perfectly acceptable for a predominantly Black Country to host an all black cast, but the same is not acceptable for a predominantly white country?

.

[ThriceShy]

I don't think Melanie should've received hate for having close friendships with boys and kissing them on the lips one time while being single. Especially considering that Claire spent her whole time flirting with Craig despite having a boyfriend of nine years (!!!) and the audience was pushing for a showmance.


But that has nothing to do with race. Melanie would have been hated if she was an albino. She was hated because she flirted with lots of men and moved on to new ones when old ones were evicted. Women judge other women for that and some men judge women for it too.

I couldn't stand mel. It had nothing to do with her race.

[Pete.]

.
Yeah but what would you say if all the white people were evicted at the first opportunity in the mainly black cast?

[Ashley.]

.

But you're more likely to meet a Black English person than and White African person, are you not? The majority of the black people we are speaking about are English.

[Macie Lightfoot]

But that has nothing to do with race. Melanie would have been hated if she was an albino. She was hated because she flirted with lots of men and moved on to new ones when old ones were evicted. Women judge other women for that and some men judge women for it too.

I couldn't stand mel. It had nothing to do with her race.

She had close relationships with two men and was single, while Claire was flirting heavily with Craig and the public wanted them to be a showmance even though she had a boyfriend of nine years.

[ThriceShy]

Actually Makosi provided the most entertainment all series (isn't that the reason behind Helen's win?) yet she was beaten by Eubore and Anthony

So that proves racism?

I don't think Rachel Rice should have won BB9 but life's a bitch.

More people liked Anthony than liked makosi. That simple. And it was predictable because anthony was a cheeky chappy, geordie nice guy type and makosi was a manipulative "pretend to be pregnant" type. Makosi was never going to win after her antics.

[Pete.]

So that proves racism?

I don't think Rachel Rice should have won BB9 but life's a bitch.

More people liked Anthony than liked makosi. That simple. And it was predictable because anthony was a cheeky chappy, geordie nice guy type and makosi was a manipulative "pretend to be pregnant" type. Makosi was never going to win after her antics.
Anthony had 'sex' with Makosi too tho. He also called Derek a malteaser head. At least Kose wasn't insulting/racist

[ThriceShy]

She had close relationships with two men and was single, while Claire was flirting heavily with Craig and the public wanted them to be a showmance even though she had a boyfriend of nine years.

I disliked Mel before any of her flirting. She was a snobby, precious know it all who thought she was better than everyone else.

The fuss she created when she overheard Darren nominating her said it all.

In an interview she said that she had spent her whole life with people disliking her and she wasn't sure why. She was just an unlikeable kind of person.

Interesting thing is that none of these evictees or non-winners have ever claimed racism have they? So why are people claiming it on their behalf?

[Macie Lightfoot]

Because obviously Melanie doesn't realize while being in the house that the public is hoping for Claire to cheat on her boyfriend and get with Craig?

[Cherie]

Yeah but what would you say if all the white people were evicted at the first opportunity in the mainly black cast?


It would depend on the evictees they never cast any whites so it's difficult to say really

But you're more likely to meet a Black English person than and White African person, are you not? The majority of the black people we are speaking about are English.


Ever been to South Africa? The last census in the UK whites made up 81 per cent of the population put that in the context of BB the ratio of blacks/Asians cast seems pretty fair

[Macie Lightfoot]

alol I still can't get over this implication by some people that the UK *BELONGS* to white people

[Cherie]

alol I still can't get over this implication by some people that the UK *BELONGS* to white people

No one is saying that :idc:

[ThriceShy]

alol I still can't get over this implication by some people that the UK *BELONGS* to white people

Nobody has claimed anything of the sort.

If you have a country that is about 88% white and you have a tv gameshow where only 1 or 2 people per year are non-white then why would you expect lots of non-white winners?

[Pete.]

Nobody has claimed anything of the sort.

If you have a country that is about 88% white and you have a tv gameshow where only 1 or 2 people per year are non-white then why would you expect lots of non-white winners?

No one is talking about winners (except for yourself) more the fact that when ever a minority is put up for eviction they usually go first just as my OP outlines

[ThriceShy]

No one is talking about winners (except for yourself) more the fact that when ever a minority is put up for eviction they usually go first just as my OP outlines

Perhaps it is because, as mentioned earlier, BB producers tend to cast particular types of minorities.

[Mystic Mock]

No one is talking about winners (except for yourself) more the fact that when ever a minority is put up for eviction they usually go first just as my OP outlines

Exactly, I mean if Adjoa was an average looking white girl who was talking about pussy, and then you had pretty girl Sarah, and weird, attention seeking, argumentative during that week Eileen, I bet that Adjoa would've got the least votes to be evicted, especially considering she could be funny.

[Marsh.]

Perhaps he made them see that he's actually a nice person and therefore they had no reason to hate him. Your first impression isn't always your permanent impression.

So, a black guy is evicted the first time he's put up (but 7 weeks in) and it must be racially motivated.

Another black guy wins after not facing a vote for 11 weeks and it must be that the racists had time to see beyond his skin colour.

So, the fact that Brian was liked and one of the favourites from the moment he entered and Victor was an argumentative, nasty twat had nothing to do with it?

Ok.

[Marsh.]

I suppose Aisleyne was racist for evicting the only black person from the HND.

[Marsh.]

alol I still can't get over this implication by some people that the UK *BELONGS* to white people

Nobody's said it "belongs" to anyone, but the facts are that black people are still a minority in this country so expecting their statistics to tally up with white people in a show which casts a very small selection of people per year is ridiculous.

[Marsh.]

Exactly, I mean if Adjoa was an average looking white girl who was talking about pussy, and then you had pretty girl Sarah, and weird, attention seeking, argumentative during that week Eileen, I bet that Adjoa would've got the least votes to be evicted, especially considering she could be funny.

Let's deal in facts and not make up things that we don't know how they'd have been.

But looking at those 3 housemates, Eileen and Sarah (whether you liked them or not) showed personality and offered something beyond a catchphrase.

Literally the only thing I remember of her is that she liked pussy. Immature woman who thought sex talk made her interesting is dime a dozen in BB.

If screen time was the issue with that then the ever-crappy editing is to blame and not the supposed racist viewers.

[Pete.]

Nobody's said it "belongs" to anyone, but the facts are that black people are still a minority in this country so expecting their statistics to tally up with white people in a show which casts a very small selection of people per year is ridiculous.
But the statistics should have more of an even spread not just a sea of black people going week 1, 2 and 3

[Pete.]

Let's deal in facts and not make up things that we don't know how they'd have been.

But looking at those 3 housemates, Eileen and Sarah (whether you liked them or not) showed personality and offered something beyond a catchphrase.

Literally the only thing I remember of her is that she liked pussy. Immature woman who thought sex talk made her interesting is dime a dozen in BB.

If screen time was the issue with that then the ever-crappy editing is to blame and not the supposed racist viewers.
What did Eileen do that first week?

[Marsh.]

What did Eileen do that first week?

Actually had conversations with housemates that didn't constantly revolve around pussy.

[Marsh.]

But the statistics should have more of an even spread not just a sea of black people going week 1, 2 and 3

But it doesn't.

As someone else said, when it comes to the casting of black housemates, particularly female, they tend to opt for one type. That's limited casting, not a racist audience. Argumentative and sassy is not going to win you Big Brother (unless MuthaP gives you a finale pass).

[Pete.]

But it doesn't.

As someone else said, when it comes to the casting of black housemates, particularly female, they tend to opt for one type. That's limited casting, not a racist audience. Argumentative and sassy is not going to win you Big Brother (unless MuthaP gives you a finale pass).
What about the non aggressive minorities? Hira, Sam, Adjoa, Melanie, Alison, Noirin, Jo, Rachel, Tashie?

[Marsh.]

What about the non aggressive minorities? Hira, Sam, Adjoa, Melanie, Alison, Noirin, Jo, Rachel, Tashie?

Bores. I could make a similar list of white bores.

The only ones who don't fall into that category are Melanie and Noirin. Even then Noirin was EXTREMELY unlikeable with her treatment of the rest of the house.

[Pete.]

Bores. I could make a similar list of white bores.

The only ones who don't fall into that category are Melanie and Noirin. Even then Noirin was EXTREMELY unlikeable with her treatment of the rest of the house.
But even those that aren't stereotypically aggressive don't get anywhere near he final

[Mystic Mock]

I suppose Aisleyne was racist for evicting the only black person from the HND.

Well she did call him Leroy.

[Pete.]

Well she did call him Leroy.
Because she has a friend called Leroy

[Marsh.]

But even those that aren't stereotypically aggressive don't get anywhere near he final

That's not evidence of racism or their skin colour in anyway effecting the voters. They're far outnumbered by white housemates so the statistics are against them from the off.

[Marsh.]

Well she did call him Leroy.

Omg, I can't believe she was never challenged for that racist language.

[Mystic Mock]

Let's deal in facts and not make up things that we don't know how they'd have been.

But looking at those 3 housemates, Eileen and Sarah (whether you liked them or not) showed personality and offered something beyond a catchphrase.

Literally the only thing I remember of her is that she liked pussy. Immature woman who thought sex talk made her interesting is dime a dozen in BB.

If screen time was the issue with that then the ever-crappy editing is to blame and not the supposed racist viewers.

Really? At least Adjoa was a bit deluded and couldn't believe why the public thought that she was boring.

And you know how the public works Marsh, they vote on who's threatening to them, or on who's behaviour has been the worst that week, which neither was won by Adjoa unless you're some sort of prude.

[Marsh.]

Really? At least Adjoa was a bit deluded and couldn't believe why the public thought that she was boring.

And you know how the public works Marsh, they vote on who's threatening to them, or on who's behaviour has been the worst that week, which neither was won by Adjoa unless you're some sort of prude.

Well none of the three up for the vote had done anything "terrible" yet one of them had to go, so I don't see what your point is.

Adjoa was deluded and didn't understand why she was boring. Ok, your point is? :laugh:

[Mystic Mock]

Omg, I can't believe she was never challenged for that racist language.

You've clearly never been around racists to not get how that could be offensive.:joker:

[Mystic Mock]

Well none of the three up for the vote had done anything "terrible" yet one of them had to go, so I don't see what your point is.

Adjoa was deluded and didn't understand why she was boring. Ok, your point is? :laugh:

Is that it was more than what Eileen had done in terms of contributing to the series.

[Marsh.]

You've clearly never been around racists to not get how that could be offensive.:joker:

Any word in the English language can be offensive if you twist its context enough.

That =/= racism.

Racism has intent behind it.

[Marsh.]

Is that it was more than what Eileen had done in terms of contributing to the series.

Adjoa not understanding why she was boring after being evicted contributed what to the series?

Eileen going dolally, in the bath, performing on BOTS, crying, defending her age etc >>>>>> ur favs :smug:

[Pete.]

Well none of the three up for the vote had done anything "terrible" yet one of them had to go, so I don't see what your point is.

Adjoa was deluded and didn't understand why she was boring. Ok, your point is? :laugh:
Adjoa was actually nice so it was surprising as to why she was evicted and slaughtered by the crowd (hence why this thread was made).

[Pete.]

Adjoa not understanding why she was boring after being evicted contributed what to the series?

Eileen going dolally, in the bath, performing on BOTS, crying, defending her age etc >>>>>> ur favs :smug:
That all happened after Adjoa was evicted.

[Marsh.]

Adjoa was actually nice so it was surprising as to why she was evicted and slaughtered by the crowd (hence why this thread was made).

There aren't many housemates who don't get slaughtered these days. We'll need a little bit more to go on to see the racism.

[Marsh.]

That all happened after Adjoa was evicted.

So? Mock mentioned overall contribution to the series. His comment on Adjoa was also after her eviction. :laugh:

[Gstar]

it's easy for white people to be like "it's not about race" or the classic "don't be ridiculous" when they will never understand what it's like to walk in a black persons shoes (or any other ethnic minority). This is still a white persons country and racism is in more places than you think, it also doesn't have to be in your face or vocal, there are many other ways people show racism and prejudice behavior

[Marsh.]

it's easy for white people to be like "it's not about race" or the classic "don't be ridiculous" when they will never understand what it's like to walk in a black persons shoes (or any other ethnic minority). This is still a white persons country and racism is in more places than you think, it also doesn't have to be in your face or vocal, there are many other ways people show racism and prejudice.

We're not having a general discussion on racism, nor has anyone said racism does not exist, or pretending nothing's ever about race.

But the actual specific circumstances around which this thread was made does not hold water.

[Pete.]

it's easy for white people to be like "it's not about race" or the classic "don't be ridiculous" when they will never understand what it's like to walk in a black persons shoes (or any other ethnic minority). This is still a white persons country and racism is in more places than you think, it also doesn't have to be in your face or vocal, there are many other ways people show racism and prejudice behavior
<3

[Gstar]

We're not having a general discussion on racism, nor has anyone said racism does not exist, or pretending nothing's ever about race.

But the actual specific circumstances around which this thread was made does not hold water.

sorry. I looked at the 17 pages of discussion and knew it wouldn't be on the same topic as page one :laugh:

[ThriceShy]

She had close relationships with two men and was single, while Claire was flirting heavily with Craig and the public wanted them to be a showmance even though she had a boyfriend of nine years.

Just been looking at the eviction stats for BB1 and Claire was evicted with 79% of the vote in week 7 and Mel was evicted with 69% of the vote in week 8. So where is the racism?

Both women were booted out for flirting and the white woman got a higher percentage.

[Marsh.]

She had close relationships with two men and was single, while Claire was flirting heavily with Craig and the public wanted them to be a showmance even though she had a boyfriend of nine years.

And both were evicted the first time they faced a public vote, so where's the disparity in their treatment?

[Jason.]

Just been looking at the eviction stats for BB1 and Claire was evicted with 79% of the vote in week 7 and Mel was evicted with 69% of the vote in week 8. So where is the racism?

Both women were booted out for flirting and the white woman got a higher percentage.

:umm2:

Melanie got 69% in a 3 way vote, whereas Claire got 79% in a head to head vote. Yes, both landslide results.

Not to mention 69% in a 3 way vote is bigger than 79% in a 2 way vote. You only need at least 33.3% to secure you an eviction in a 3 way vote. 69% is more than double that, which is how many votes went against Mel.

Weak argument.

[Marsh.]

:umm2:

Melanie got 69% in a 3 way vote, whereas Claire got 79% in a head to head vote. Yes, both landslide results.

Not to mention 69% in a 3 way vote is bigger than 79% in a 2 way vote. You only need at least 33.3% to secure you an eviction in a 3 way vote. 69% is more than double that, which is how many votes went against Mel.

Weak argument.

Darren was also black.



*runs away*

[Jason.]

Darren was also black.



*runs away*

And male.

[Marsh.]

And male.

http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/7-19-2015/7bRnaW.gif

[armand.kay]

Darren was also black.



*runs away*
No one here is trying to say the public outright hates all black people the point is that because of the negative stereotype associated with being a black woman black female housemates get harder time.

[Jason.]

I wouldn't be surprised if Darren was 2nd in the voting that eviction.

[Marsh.]

No one here is trying to say the public outright hates all black people the point is that because of the negative stereotype associated with being a black woman black female housemates get harder time.

I didn't say that.

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[Marsh.]

I wouldn't be surprised if Darren was 2nd in the voting that eviction.

Neither would I.

Because both Darren and Melanie were up against the following week's winner, Craig. :laugh:

[armand.kay]

I didn't say that.

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then what were you implying when you mentioned Darren? http://i.minus.com/ibsbLj1c2aNts1.gif

[Marsh.]

then what were you implying when you mentioned Darren? http://i.minus.com/ibsbLj1c2aNts1.gif

His point was a black person received the most votes in a 3 way vote. I was pointing out 2 of the 3 nominated were black so it's more likely. :hmph:

[Mystic Mock]

Just been looking at the eviction stats for BB1 and Claire was evicted with 79% of the vote in week 7 and Mel was evicted with 69% of the vote in week 8. So where is the racism?

Both women were booted out for flirting and the white woman got a higher percentage.

Claire got 79% in a one on one, Mel got 69% in a four way.

Mel's result is worse.

[Mystic Mock]

Wasn't Darren extremely marmite? I've never watched BB1 but he only got 13% to win out of 3 people, and he does seem to have a few detractors.

[uniquedude]

Not to mention the first and only Asian and Black winners in BB/CBB happened to win the series which both aired in 2007 - which is also the year of racial misconduct within BBUK.

Very interesting. Does seem weird that both would win in 2007. Also find it quite interesting that Brian Belo is not a stereotypical black guy more like a white essex guy...just saying.

[Marsh.]

And the difference between a white essex boy and a black essex boy is what exactly?

[Cherie]

And the difference between a white essex boy and a black essex boy is what exactly?

Apparently black boys from Essex aren't real black boys bruv :laugh:

[Macie Lightfoot]

People asking for the difference between Claire and Mel, there's the fact that Mel received some boos and the fact that Mel was being slut-shamed while Claire's actions were being encouraged. Claire's eviction was a sad event bc we were splitting up the couple (despite Claire having a legitimate boyfriend of nine years), Mel's eviction was a celebration to get the harlot out.

[Pete.]

Watch Claire's eviction again to see how hated Mel was for no real reason?

[TomC]

I know it was so odd... I genuinely don't know why she was disliked. She could be slightly two-faced in the DR but that's no reason for the reception she got.

[ThriceShy]

People asking for the difference between Claire and Mel, there's the fact that Mel received some boos and the fact that Mel was being slut-shamed while Claire's actions were being encouraged. Claire's eviction was a sad event bc we were splitting up the couple (despite Claire having a legitimate boyfriend of nine years), Mel's eviction was a celebration to get the harlot out.

But claire went with a landslide 79%. So she was clearly not liked.

Claire only flirted with one guy too. Mel moved from guy to guy.

[Marsh.]

Apparently black boys from Essex aren't real black boys bruv :laugh:

Hmm, makes you question who the real racists are innit? :fan:

[Macie Lightfoot]

Claire was evicted in a landslide against the future winner of the series who was still on a high after the Nasty Nick blowout.

And Melanie was single. Claire was in a relationship for nine years (!!!)

[Marsh.]

(Melanie was also up against the future winner)

[Mystic Mock]

(Melanie was also up against the future winner)

And two other people and still received 69% to be evicted.

But tbh it's more sexism than racism anyway because look at how Pete Bennett and Nick from this year got away with going from girl to girl.

But on the racist front again in this series Kieran received more votes to be evicted than Sarah? That is very odd considering Kieran for the most part was a chilled out guy, I know that Chloe and Danny being extremely boring protected them, but no way would Sarah have beaten Kieran if he was a white guy, not with some of her behaviour and her look.

Then I also do get what people mean with Brian Belo as well, he had no black culture about him at all and he won, a bit odd don't you think?

And we've had big twats like Charlie Drummond survive eviction votes, so if he can survive them with ease then why can't the black contestants (especially the women) be allowed to survive an eviction vote when the other person up for the vote has done the usual “immorality” act that the public usually votes out?

[Marsh.]

To be fair to Pete, it wasn't a case of going from girl to girl, it was a few girls constantly going for him.

I seem to remember he'd just sit there whilst slags like Lea would stick their tits in his face etc.

[Marsh.]

How do we know Kieran received more votes? Did Emma say they were evicted in order?

[Marsh.]

This whole "Brian Belo doesn't act black" is worrying tbh.

How was he different to any other 20 something black guy?

[Mystic Mock]

There's nothing wrong with Brian's behaviour, it's just interesting what the public elected as their first black winner is all.

And Kieran did receive more votes than Sarah because he came out at the same time as Harriet.

And Pete could've told the girls no, but never did, just like Noirin.

[Marsh.]

Yes, I was asking how you know they were evicted in vote order?

[Ashley.]

But claire went with a landslide 79%. So she was clearly not liked.

Claire only flirted with one guy too. Mel moved from guy to guy.

79-50=29
69-33=36

Mel got 7% more than Claire.

[ThriceShy]

Claire was evicted in a landslide against the future winner of the series who was still on a high after the Nasty Nick blowout.

And Melanie was single. Claire was in a relationship for nine years (!!!)

Melanie moved from bloke to bloke. The public hated her because she was kissing Andrew and then when he was evicted she moved on to someone else. All in a short time frame.

They thought of her as a slag and a manipulator and someone trying to get airtime.

[ThriceShy]

79-50=29
69-33=36

Mel got 7% more than Claire.

It doesn't work that way.

[Ashley.]

It doesn't work that way.

Lmao it's Maths, Maths only works one way.

[Marsh.]

Unless you know the total votes cast we don't know who got the most in reality.

[Ashley.]

Melanie moved from bloke to bloke. The public hated her because she was kissing Andrew and then when he was evicted she moved on to someone else. All in a short time frame.

They thought of her as a slag and a manipulator and someone trying to get airtime.

Lmao change the record.

[Ashley.]

Unless you know the total votes cast we don't know who got the most in reality.

Claire was 29% above minimum, and Mel was 36% above minimum. There's no point trying to deny that Mel got a higher vote than Claire.

[Macie Lightfoot]

Melanie moved from bloke to bloke. The public hated her because she was kissing Andrew and then when he was evicted she moved on to someone else. All in a short time frame.

They thought of her as a slag and a manipulator and someone trying to get airtime.

alol "was kissing" she and Andrew kissed once and then weeks later she and Tom kissed once. And she was single so the big deal was...?

[Marsh.]

Claire was 29% above minimum, and Mel was 36% above minimum. There's no point trying to deny that Mel got a higher vote than Claire.

I'm not denying anything. :unsure:

(I'm actually struggling to understand how this never-ending debate about percentages has any bearing on the OP but there you are.)

I'm simply pointing out that unless you know the number of votes cast then the percentages don't quite show the disparity in their popularity. And I don't think a difference of 7% is all that revealing to support a racist argument. All we know is both were evicted the first time they faced a public vote and it was quite near the end.

[Pete.]

alol "was kissing" she and Andrew kissed once and then weeks later she and Tom kissed once. And she was single so the big deal was...?
She's a bed hopping bitch!

[Marsh.]

She's a bed hopping bitch!

Remember Alison? The table hopping bitch?

[Ashley.]

I'm not denying anything. :unsure:

(I'm actually struggling to understand how this never-ending debate about percentages has any bearing on the OP but there you are.)

I'm simply pointing out that unless you know the number of votes cast then the percentages don't quite show the disparity in their popularity. And I don't think a difference of 7% is all that revealing to support a racist argument. All we know is both were evicted the first time they faced a public vote and it was quite near the end.

I don't care for the racism argument anymore, I was just trying to get the poster to understand simple Maths. :joker:

[Ashley.]

Remember Alison? The table hopping bitch?

She pissed me off after a while. She wouldn't leave the house for her eviction, it was so annoying. :joker:

[Pete.]

How could anyone dislike Alison?

[Marsh.]

I don't remember her actual eviction but I remember being gutted she went.

She was hilarious.

[Liam-]

How could anyone dislike Alison?

Perched for the racism allegations

[Marsh.]

Perched for the racism allegations

:joker::joker::joker:

[Ashley.]

I don't remember her actual eviction but I remember being gutted she went.

She was hilarious.

It was awful. She kept running up the stairs then running back down them again. The crowd were like "just walk out the door bitch"

[ThriceShy]

alol "was kissing" she and Andrew kissed once and then weeks later she and Tom kissed once. And she was single so the big deal was...?


"Was kissing" is correct. She was kissing. It doesn't matter how many times it happened. Kissing occured.

She looked like a slag to the public. Simple as that. Didn't matter if she was black, green or red.

[ThriceShy]

Claire was 29% above minimum, and Mel was 36% above minimum. There's no point trying to deny that Mel got a higher vote than Claire.

She kissed more blokes than claire.

[reece(:]

How could anyone dislike Alison?
Alison is the perfect example of not all black female HMs being the same

[Marsh.]

Alison is the perfect example of not all black female HMs being the same

Sadly we don't get many like Alison. :love:

Even when I see her on daytime TV she still makes me smile.

[GiRTh]

Charley: Viewed as heavily aggressive by the public, and was constantly chanted by the crowd outside for weeks, despite not being up for eviction. Yet, Helen Wood, viewed as more aggressive than Charley and Alexandra and received 14 warning from BB in 2 weeks, won her series.

:thumbs:

[Marsh.]

Helen had a sh*te channel 5 series, a finale pass, much less viewers and several twists on her side.

Would someone like Helen have won 10 years ago? No.

That's a sign of the direction of the show on 5, not racism.

[ThriceShy]

I'm surprised some ultra sensitive SJWs haven't cried racism over Jack's spraytan task.:laugh:

[GiRTh]

Helen had a sh*te channel 5 series, a finale pass, much less viewers and several twists on her side.

Would someone like Helen have won 10 years ago? No.

That's a sign of the direction of the show on 5, not racism.:thumbs:

[Mystic Mock]

Yes, I was asking how you know they were evicted in vote order?

Well he was ahead of her on all of the polls, including the mainstream ones.

Plus Emma never said that it was in no particular order.

[Mystic Mock]

Melanie moved from bloke to bloke. The public hated her because she was kissing Andrew and then when he was evicted she moved on to someone else. All in a short time frame.

They thought of her as a slag and a manipulator and someone trying to get airtime.

Why did Pete Bennett win BB7 then? And survived eviction votes before the final too and all he did in that house was either play the drums in the garden, or go from girl to girl.

And Nick and Stuart Wilson both came 5th in their series, and the girls got all the blame for them being users, and tossers.

[Mystic Mock]

Perched for the racism allegations

No offense but do you believe any allegations on these shows?:joker:

No matter what people say or what voting patterns show up you always disprove them as nothing and acceptable anyway.

[ThriceShy]

Why did Pete Bennett win BB7 then? And survived eviction votes before the final too and all he did in that house was either play the drums in the garden, or go from girl to girl.

And Nick and Stuart Wilson both came 5th in their series, and the girls got all the blame for them being users, and tossers.

Don't shoot the messenger. I am just telling you what the public did and why Mel was disliked more than Claire.

I didn't vote in any of those evictions and I don't fancy a lecture on feminism and patriarchy.

[Ammi]

....hmmm, I haven't got past the first series/example with this and Melanie...I don't know, I would say from what I recall, if there was any 'ist' involved, it would be more sexist as she was extremely popular..(from what I recall..)...until she became more flirty and don't BB audiences hate FLIRTY ..:fist:...also I do think that she was a real threat to the Craig win and he pretty much had won the moment he confronted Nasty Nick, who was of course public enemy number 1.... /so the public had to vote her out...

[ThriceShy]

....hmmm, I haven't got past the first series/example with this and Melanie...I don't know, I would say from what I recall, if there was any 'ist' involved, it would be more sexist as she was extremely popular..(from what I recall..)...until she became more flirty and don't BB audiences hate FLIRTY ..:fist:...also I do think that she was a real threat to the Craig win and he pretty much had won the moment he confronted Nasty Nick, who was of course public enemy number 1.... /so the public had to vote her out...

Craig's win was a travesty btw.

He only confronted nick when he discovered that his own name had been shown to people. Nick had been showing craig other people's names for weeks and craig didn't say a word.

[Ashley.]

She kissed more blokes than claire.

Moving on.

[Marsh.]

Moving on.

:clap1:

[Marsh.]

Well he was ahead of her on all of the polls, including the mainstream ones.

Plus Emma never said that it was in no particular order.

Well Emma didn't announce 4 of the evictions so that's not saying much. :laugh:

[Pete.]

Updated :omgno:

[Jason.]

Not the messy thread being bumped again

[DrunkerThanMoses]

Not really

Brain won
Shilpa won

[Samm]

Not really

Brain won
Shilpa won

Yep 2 out of 47 seasons

[Mrmattybeck]

Oh get a life let the public vote for who ever they like

[Macie Lightfoot]

which is almost always exclusively for white people

[Marsh.]

Yep 2 out of 47 seasons

How many Scottish winners?

How many ginger?

1 and 1 as far as I recall. :fist:

[Marsh.]

which is almost always exclusively for white people

Has nothing to do with 90% of most casts being white and having a much higher chance of winning then? :omgno:

[Raph]

Best thread in all of TiBB :clap1:

[Pete.]

Lateysha Rose and Natalie Nunn from BB17 </3

[Pete.]

The ONLY reason for Saira's eviction :oh:

[Samm]

oh wow hi, all the other loose women have lasted a long way

[MB.]

Racists and Harry Styles fans, yes

[Daniel.]

I bet that if three woman were like Heav, Bear and Lewis and a man had behaved like Sara, they would be top of the votes. It's blatant racism and sexism from a bunch of uneducated chavs in the crowd

[Daniel.]

Racists and Harry Styles fans, yes

I loved Harry Styles when I was 16 :bawling:

[Pete.]

I bet that if three woman were like Heav, Bear and Lewis and a man had behaved like Sara, they would be top of the votes. It's blatant racism and sexism from a bunch of uneducated chavs in the crowd
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[Jamie89]

It's hard to argue with a 17 year correlation that continues to be added to

[Jamie89]

I don't think it's overt racism btw, but I definitely think race has played a part in the popularity/unpopularity of the vast majority of housemates from ethnically diverse backgrounds.

The sad fact is that some of the public are racist, that can't be disputed, and yes some housemates can overcome that (Brian Belo/Shilpa etc) but that doesn't change the fact that for the most part, black/asian/indian etc housemates will always start off at a disadvantage that others don't face and will have to do more to be accepted.

[Ashley.]

I don't think it's overt racism btw, but I definitely think race has played a part in the popularity/unpopularity of the vast majority of housemates from ethnically diverse backgrounds.

The sad fact is that some of the public are racist, that can't be disputed, and yes some housemates can overcome that (Brian Belo/Shilpa etc) but that doesn't change the fact that for the most part, black/asian/indian etc housemates will always start off at a disadvantage that others don't face and will have to do more to be accepted.

Well said.

[Ashley.]

However I disagree that ethnic minorities are evicted early solely because they are a minority. Sometimes, it's purely down to coincidence.

[EspeonBB]

I don't think it's overt racism btw, but I definitely think race has played a part in the popularity/unpopularity of the vast majority of housemates from ethnically diverse backgrounds.

The sad fact is that some of the public are racist, that can't be disputed, and yes some housemates can overcome that (Brian Belo/Shilpa etc) but that doesn't change the fact that for the most part, black/asian/indian etc housemates will always start off at a disadvantage that others don't face and will have to do more to be accepted.

I agree 100%. Minorities always start off at a disadvantage

I think the BBUK public are more sexist than racist though

[Macie Lightfoot]

yeah it's not a matter of people being explicitly racist, but this is a show that routinely rewards white people for being average and is extremely forgiving towards them, and you have to work your butt off to impress the public as a person of color.