Is BBUK the victim of racism? (Pray for Saira Khan)

[Pete.]

Lets be serious here, following Adjoa's unjustful eviction can some uncomfortable issues be raised when looking at the history of black female contestants on Big Brother.

Here are some examples:

Melanie: The first black female contestant was loved mostly amongst the house and yet not cared for by the public, she came last in Channel 4's 2005 Best Housemate poll.

Amma: The first Black contestant to receive the 'angry black girl' edit and was thus evicted when she was first up.

Adele: The first ever housemate to be heavily booed on their exit when the irony was that JADE was the main culprit for behaviour worthy of booing.

Vanessa: Her housemate qualities were largely overlooked by the public and people only commented that she ate too much. Her eviction came about when Vanessa and Makosi (the only black females) received the most votes from the public and when she was evicted in one of the cruellest evictions she was booed heavily.

Makosi - She came 3rd and top female of her year. However, in week 1 she could have easily have failed her mission and been nominated and evicted as the public had not gotten to know her yet. Also, on the week of Vanessa's eviction had it not been for the twist she would have been evicted with the most public votes. She also received one of the worst eviction receptions from the crowd in her final and in her UBB eviction.

BO Dawn - Confusingly Dawn was easily the favourite to go during the first eviction of BB7 but I can't see why.

Shilpa - Shilpa was treated awfully by the crowd and public before the race row exploded. Even when she won she was booed and some people STILL believe that Shilpa was in the wrong and only won out of pity

Nicky: The public again focused on the 'man-hating' side of Nicky and not the housemate that Nicky was and even Davina treated her unfairly.

Charley: Viewed as heavily aggressive by the public, and was constantly chanted by the crowd outside for weeks, despite not being up for eviction. Yet, Helen Wood, viewed as more aggressive than Charley and Alexandra and received 14 warning from BB in 2 weeks, won her series.

Sophia: Evicted the first week she was nominated by the public (although she did receive enough votes to become a housemate) with around 91% of the votes because she had two arguments with Saffia however Saffia left on the same day and the eviction should have been cancelled.

Hira: Heavily booed on entrance, however had the best reception for her series on her eviction but she was evicted over more hated housemates such as Lisa. She too treated awful by the producers who called her the most entertaining housemates in an attempt to humiliate her.

Rachael: Evicted on the first week against Sunshine who had received the most hate from the housemates and crowd alike and yet remained over Rachael.

Govan: His bitchiness was overly exaggerated by the viewers and the producers but was evicted over favourite to go Dave.

Ife: Slaughtered and booed for being 'boring' when BB11's final consisted of Andrew, JJ and Mario.

Tashie: A nice girl, and yet the first evicted. Why? Because she did a sex tape

Heaven: Called out on fighting (in a two-sided manner with Rebeckah) and was evicted in week 3.

Shievonne: Went from being a favourite to most hated in a space of a few weeks. When she was nominated for the first time against CONOR she received only around 19% of the vote meaning that CONOR receievd about 81%.

Gina: Instantly disliked as a 'rich bitch' although I don't recall Grace etc getting as much hate as Gina did on her launch night. She must have narrowly escaped eviction against Sallie by around 1/2% and by doing so allowed time for the public to develop their opinion on her, mostly positively. She was easily favourite to win right up to the last minute when Sam overtook as the anti-Dexter and Gina vote.

Pauline - Also quickly went from being launch night favourite to national enemy in a period of a few days. Maybe she should have chilled out on the chicken but the point being that she was evicted with an incredible landslide bearing in mind it was a 7-way (?) eviction.

Toya A Washington - Toya was vilified after Hurricane Toya hit the house over the course of one weekend and she was evicted the first time she was nominated, arguably because she came across more ghetto when Marlon and Winston came over most aggressive.

Biannca - After Simon (:spin:) hold the record for the shortest time spent in the house, 4 days. The public latched on the fact she was a tad promiscuous and felt she deserved saving the least over PAV.

Adjoa - She did nothing to deserve chants and boos and was evicted her first time nominated for seemingly no apparent reason, even Emma agrees.

Sam - A lovely girl slated for being fake and scheming and was given very little airtime because she wasn't the stereotypical 'angry minority' etc.

Tiffany - Even the biggest talking point and the bookies favourite to win couldn't get beyond 4th place (over Darren Day and Scotty T :conf2:)

Natalie - Seemingly picked apart by viewers at every given opportunity whenever she raised her voice, and her kinder side was rarely shown on the show. These are the same people who picked up the phone to vote for Helen to win BB15.

Saira - The fact that she left over Heavy D (who constantly referred to her as Ciara as well was a joke), BEAR and Irrellewis...

This is NOT a baiting thread but one for serious debate and discussion. I for one believe there is a sinister undertone for the fact that black housemates are more rapidly hated than white females and men in general. The truth is that Shilpa is the only minority female housemate to win BB and people still think it was because of a pity vote and not because she was the best housemate. In the regular series, there have been 15 winners so far, and only one of them has been black, Brian.

Discuss please, I expect some level of disagreement

[LukeB]

No it's nothing to do with race at all :laugh:

[Marsh.]

It's easy to cry racism or homophobia or sexism or literally anything you can pluck out of thin air and pick out lists like this from a show that has had hundreds of housemates and ran for 31 series for the last 15 years.

[Liam-]

No it isn't

[LukeB]

Brian Belo won
Gina survived so many evictions

[Drew.]

Pretty much every single housemate mentioned in the OP turned out to be a dick so i don't think race comes into it at all.

[Jake.]

No, it's a victim of casting ****ing dire black female housemates

[T*]

i dont know
i somewhat agree

[y.winter]

With one winner at the end of this series, the house is full of white people to be evicted. It's more mutual-race evictees than black evictees.

[Kizzy]

They as individuals were just uber annoying so its hard to say.

[Pete.]

It's easy to cry racism or homophobia or sexism or literally anything you can pluck out of thin air and pick out lists like this from a show that has had hundreds of housemates and ran for 31 series for the last 15 years.
But literally every black female has been hated for some reason or another, she talks about pussy too much, she eats too much, she's so depressing, she is too loud

[Josy]

No.

People always give totally acceptable reasons for disliking housemates yet those reasons seem to be rubbished by others that are trying to claim racism.

Obviously Adjoa being evicted tonight has brought this on but I honestly think in her case she got off in on the wrong foot with the whole 'pussay' talk and that's probably why she was nominated by the housemates too, unless they are also going to be accused of racism?

She seemed to have calmed down a bit the past few days but by this point it was too late for her.

For the record I don't think she should have went tonight and would have preferred Eileen to go.

[Mystic Mock]

Tbh after seeing the result I can't help but feel that there's some hidden undertones of racism going on because if Danny was up in this eviction would he have been voted out because of his sex talk? I don't think so.

And I would say that Eileen's behaviour the last few days has been horrific, yet she stays over Adjoa who's biggest crime was saying pussy a lot, it says it all really.

I've never really bought it before when BB just plonked stereotypical black contestants in the house, but Adjoa wasn't like that and still got voted off, and Kieran's controversial too for almost no reason.

[LukeB]

Can I just say, why is the OP all women? where are the males

[mrmattybeck1]

Oh no not this again :( every series this comes up

[icecakes]

What a load of rubbish, what about all the white people thats been evicted ,was that racist:conf3:

[Pete.]

Can I just say, why is the OP all women? where are the males
This is in response to Adjoa's eviction and most black men are loved

[Josy]

This is in response to Adjoa's eviction and most black men are loved

So you have now answered your own questions?

Unless you are accusing the public of being racist only towards Black females which would then make them racist and sexist.

[LukeB]

This is in response to Adjoa's eviction and most black men are loved

Then it's not really Racism is it? but Science/Victor was not loved
Sree too he was not loved.

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

pete :worship:

[Absorption]

This is in response to Adjoa's eviction and most black men are loved

In which case, it's not racially motivated.

I have no problem with black women unless they act like arseholes, which most on the list did whilst on BB.

Adjoa probably deserved eviction less than any of the examples given but I imagine those voting saw more entertainment potential in Sarah and Eileen.

As for the point about Danny, no, he wouldn't have been voted out for talking about sex because the girlies voting fancy him.

[Pete.]

So you have now answered your own questions?

Unless you are accusing the public of being racist only towards Black females which would then make them racist and sexist.
Perhaps

[Pete.]

Then it's not really Racism is it? but Science/Victor was not loved
Sree too he was not loved.
And yet Marlon stayed over Pauline and Toya when both girls brought much more to the show

[Marsh.]

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[Marsh.]

And yet Marlon stayed over Pauline and Toya when both girls brought much more to the show

Because the loudest and more controversial housemates never get evicted ahead of the quieter ones regardless of skin colour?

Ok.

[LukeB]

And yet Marlon stayed over Pauline and Toya when both girls brought much more to the show

Pauline was a vile bully tho? and toya didn't help herself in the argument.But Marlon should have gone but public had their reasons to vote them out. And other people in the OP. If we base it on just racism, Brian Belo would never had won. Gina would have been evicted week 1 too.

[waylander1973]

Shievonne: Went from being a favourite to most hated in a space of a few weeks. When she was nominated for the first time against CONOR she received only around 19% of the vote meaning that CONOR receievd about 81%.

Answer - she lost the plot, instead of giving a reason to keep her in.

Gina: Instantly disliked as a 'rich bitch' although I don't recall Grace etc getting as much hate as Gina did on her launch night. She must have narrowly escaped eviction against Sallie by around 1/2% and by doing so allowed time for the public to develop their opinion on her, mostly positively. She was easily favourite to win right up to the last minute when Sam overtook as the anti-Dexter and Gina vote.

Personally I am at a lost why Sam won.

Gina was a strong reason next to Dexter why either shown have been that year's winner, Sam was a bad winner he did nothing to win it as far the show highlights shown.

Pauline - Also quickly went from being launch night favourite to national enemy in a period of a few days. Maybe she should have chilled out on the chicken but the point being that she was evicted with an incredible landslide bearing in mind it was a 7-way (?) eviction.

Edit did her no favours.

Toya A Washington - Toya was vilified after Hurricane Toya hit the house over the course of one weekend and she was evicted the first time she was nominated, arguably because she came across more ghetto when Marlon and Winston came over most aggressive.

I LISTEN TO JADE on couchpotates about Toya - no sympathy from me on toya.

Biannca - After Simon () hold the record for the shortest time spent in the house, 4 days. The public latched on the fact she was a tad promiscuous and felt she deserved saving the least over PAV.

She took her kit off on eviction/voting night, what result would you expect.

Adjoa - Perhaps the most tragic of all. She did nothing to deserve chants and boos and was evicted her first time nominated for seemingly no apparent reason, even Emma agrees.

I can only answer to big brothers I seen.

[James]

The stereotype of the 'sassy diva' that a lot of members on here like, isn't generally liked by the public, just because diva-like behaviour isn't looked upon very well, especially on non-celeb Big Brother.

Maybe that goes some way to answering why some people's favourites - chosen before we even know their personalities - aren't as well liked by the public.

[icecakes]

I loved Science/Victor.

[Pete.]

Pauline was a vile bully tho? and toya didn't help herself in the argument.But Marlon should have gone but public had their reasons to vote them out. And other people in the OP. If we base it on just racism, Brian Belo would never had won. Gina would have been evicted week 1 too.

And she narrowly was, it was only the people that saw her potential and hated Sallie that kept her in

[Marsh.]

And she narrowly was, it was only the people that saw her potential and hated Sallie that kept her in

So what does this have to do with racism?

Dexter was nominated too?

[Pete.]

The stereotype of the 'sassy diva' that a lot of members on here like, isn't generally liked by the public, just because diva-like behaviour isn't looked upon very well, especially on non-celeb Big Brother.

Maybe that goes some way to answering why some people's favourites - chosen before we even know their personalities - aren't as well liked by the public.
That isn't exclusive for 'sassy' housemates, I am yet to see Jack's personality and he was favourite to win 2 days before launch

[Mystic Mock]

Oh no not this again :( every series this comes up

Because like how the pretty white girls being hated on TXF has become an issue, BB needs to sort itself out when it comes to hating the black contestants (especially the females) I honestly think that people was really harsh on Adjoa.

[Pete.]

So what does this have to do with racism?

Dexter was nominated too?
As I said in my OP white housemates viewed as 'rich birches' were not as instantly hated as Gina was in the first week

Food for thought? If you don't think there is anything racist here then leave it at that

[armand.kay]

Can I just say, why is the OP all women? where are the males

Because the media portray black woman in a certain way and that can't be denied.

[Marsh.]

As I said in my OP white housemates viewed as 'rich birches' were not as instantly hated as Gina was in the first week

Rich bitches? Who else was a rich bitch?

You mention Grace but apart from a bit of a plummy voice she didn't act at all like Gina when it came to money.

You're also now assuming she was disliked for being rich when it was for being a vile bully.

[LukeB]

And she narrowly was, it was only the people that saw her potential and hated Sallie that kept her in

Racist people don't see potential in people with different race. White housemates got evicted over Gina everytime she was up.

[Jase.]

Adjoa literally did nothing wrong. She didn't bitch, she wasn't nasty, she was just very open about her sexuality; SO WHAT? Obviously on this occasion it IS a race thing and it's mortifying.

[Pete.]

Racist people don't see potential in people with different race. White housemates got evicted over Gina everytime she was up.
After the first week when she had time to blossom, if Sallie had not been there she would have been out

[LukeB]

Adjoa literally did nothing wrong. She didn't bitch, she wasn't nasty, she was just very open about her sexuality; SO WHAT? Obviously on this occasion it IS a race thing and it's mortifying.

I guess the pussy talk and the moaning annoyed people tbqh and people saving their favourites.

[Pete.]

Rich bitches? Who else was a rich bitch?

You mention Grace but apart from a bit of a plummy voice she didn't act at all like Gina when it came to money.

You're also now assuming she was disliked for being rich when it was for being a vile bully.
Caroline? Bea?

[armand.kay]

Pete you should also add hira and Tashie both instantly hated when they were lovely.

[Mystic Mock]

I guess the pussy talk and the moaning annoyed people tbqh and people saving their favourites.

Ashleigh last year moaned to high heaven, yet she came 2nd place, how do you explain that?

[Marsh.]

Caroline? Bea?

Who were complete and utter bitches?

I've never seen a single negative comment about either of them that mentions being rich or anything to do with money but their terrible treatment of their other housemates.

I could just as easily say "Daley was hated for being black" when in reality he was a violent, unbalanced thug.

[Pete.]

Pete you should also add hira and Tashie both instantly hated when they were lovely.
Tashie </3

No justice

[armand.kay]

Also noireen who done nothing wrong (Pete did the same and won btw)

[Mystic Mock]

Pete you should also add hira and Tashie both instantly hated when they were lovely.

Hira was dull as ****.

I liked Tashie though.

[Marsh.]

After the first week when she had time to blossom, if Sallie had not been there she would have been out

:joker: That's like saying, if [insert reason] happened she would have been evicted.

That doesn't support any kind of racism theory.

[Marsh.]

*didn't know Tashie was black*

[Pete.]

Who were complete and utter bitches?

I've never seen a single negative comment about either of them that mentions being rich or anything to do with money but their terrible treatment of their other housemates.

I could just as easily say "Daley was hated for being black" when in reality he was a violent, unbalanced thug.
Daley was removed, the girls in the OP were hated one point or another and evicted

[LukeB]

Ashleigh last year moaned to high heaven, yet she came 2nd place, how do you explain that?

BB15 was a mess, but she had fans. Obviously fans will vote for their favourite to win or to evict someone it's not a crime.Some cases you vote someone so you can save your favourite. Ashleigh got chants and boos tbh

[Marsh.]

Daley was removed, the girls in the OP were hated one point or another and evicted

I used him as an example as he was also hated.

There is no reason or explanation that's yet been put forward that suggests any girl in the OP was hated for their skin colour.

[armand.kay]

Hira was dull as ****.

I liked Tashie though.

Yeah she was dull but she didn't deserve to get booed, she was also booed coming in even tho she came off nice from her vt.

[LukeB]

Also noireen who done nothing wrong (Pete did the same and won btw)

you need to watch BB10 again

[LukeB]

Hira got cheers mainly

[LukeB]

Pauline would easily been in the final if she didn't bully Jale

[Marsh.]

Exactly Pauline was loved until she turned into a controlling manipulative witch.

[armand.kay]

Lmao the Pauline hate I get :laugh:

[MB.]

Pauline would easily been in the final if she didn't bully Jale

The fact that she was actually just a bit of a horrible person would have come out in other ways had Jale not been there - just quite not as quickly.

[LukeB]

Sophia was loved(R,I,P) but she came across bad before her eviction.

[bots]

no racism whatsoever, and to be honest claiming such things to be racist does more harm than good to the anti racism cause.

[Marsh.]

The fact that she was actually just a bit of a horrible person would have come out in other ways had Jale not been there - just quite not as quickly.

Breastfeeding Steven?

[Mystic Mock]

BB15 was a mess, but she had fans. Obviously fans will vote for their favourite to win or to evict someone it's not a crime.Some cases you vote someone so you can save your favourite. Ashleigh got chants and boos tbh

If Ashleigh was a black girl and not some blonde girl she would've lasted as long as Simon did in this series.

And I bet that Harriet won't even be evicted when she goes up for her first time and she's quite similar to Pauline, only without being funny.

And btw I'm not one of those that just loves black contestants for the sake of it, but I will point out prejudice when I see one.

[Dollface]

Didn't Gina come third?
I still can't believe Sam won that year :facepalm: but that's going off topic :laugh:

As for Pauline, well she was just an awful woman, the hate she received was due to her nastiness, not her colour.

I didn't like the way Adjoa spoke about "pussy" but she wasn't a nasty person so she didn't deserve the boos/chants. I think she went because she was up against Eileen who is very much liked and Sarah who I think people are expecting to cause some drama in the house.

[LukeB]

If Ashleigh was a black girl and not some blonde girl she would've lasted as long as Simon did in this series.

And I bet that Harriet won't even be evicted when she goes up for her first time and she's quite similar to Pauline, only without being funny.

And btw I'm not one of those that just loves black contestants for the sake of it, but I will point out prejudice when I see one.

you don't know that for sure,Ashleigh did get horrible(reason why she got hated). She only stayed because of that evict Jale campaign. Depends who Harriet is up against tbh.

[Marsh.]

On what planet are Harriet and Pauline AT ALL in anyway similar? :umm2:

[Mystic Mock]

no racism whatsoever, and to be honest claiming such things to be racist does more harm than good to the anti racism cause.

Well if people didn't vote out the black contestants at nearly every opportunity then these threads wouldn't happen.

[Pete.]

Oh god Harriet would be loathed if she was black

[LukeB]

Harriet is loved at all now :laugh:

[Pete.]

you don't know that for sure,Ashleigh did get horrible(reason why she got hated). She only stayed because of that evict Jale campaign. Depends who Harriet is up against tbh.
Ashleigh stayed and did so well because she was the best housemate of that messy series

[Pete.]

Harriet is loved at all now :laugh:
Justice 4 Harriet

Evict Danny tbh

[Mystic Mock]

On what planet are Harriet and Pauline AT ALL in anyway similar? :umm2:

Well I think that they both like to control the house with an iron fist, and they're very good manipulators in the house that they don't even see it.

[Northern Monkey]

I knew before i logged in someone would do this.No i don't think it's racism or any other ism.Adjoa was a great hm.I liked her alot but i think it was just unfortunate she was up against two females and she was the most outspoken and out there one with her pussy talk etc.

[Pete.]

I knew before i logged in someone would do this.No i don't think it's racism or any other ism.Adjoa was a great hm.I liked her alot but i think it was just unfortunate she was up against two females and she was the most outspoken and out there one with her pussy talk etc.
But look at the historical evidence :pipe2:

[Denver]

Pete you should also add hira and Tashie both instantly hated when they were lovely.

Hira was liked but unforgettable she was always finishing bottom of the vote

[Denver]

The reach in this thread is hilarious rather then blame the voting public blame the 'black' girls a as 95% of them have been vile horrible and pretty much unlikable

[Fat.Rat]

Makosi was disliked back in 2005 because if her behaviour in the house but now is looked back on as one of the best and loved housemates of all time she made that series race has fook all to do with it x

[M X]

Yes. But I don't think it's a concious thing. The world is racist without even realizing it.

[Amy Jade]

Shilpa won.

[LukeB]

Oh yes Shilpa and Jermaine were final 2

[Denver]

Nadia women as well as Luke A both were not British plus most series has had a different ethnic housemate in the final

[ruiphillips]

Not at all. If it was explain how Makosi and Gina made it to the final instead of other white housemates? Stop reaching for the race card just because a insufferable housemates gets evicted.

[Benjamin]

I agree somewhat about there being a discrimination to black females in BB but the casting of most of the black females tends to stick to the stereotype which also doesn't help.

In this case I think Adjoa just got unlucky by BB making Nick nominate first face to face so a few jumped on the bandwagon to save themselves being put up and out. Adjoa was against two other housemates that haven't done too much wrong so she was a sure fire evictee because of the sex talk. Tbh I also don't think she was cut out for this season of BB, it's been somewhat tame and she was already falling apart.

[Pete.]

Shilpa won.
But people STILL think she won on pity. No, she won because she was the best housemate of the series

[reece(:]

There is definitely underlying tones of potential racism as even HMs like Jo, Nicky, Ife and now Adjoa who did nothing wrong and weren't "sassy argumentors" have been aggressively booed.

[Benjamin]

Also the odds of a black female being evicted are increased when BB cast 1/2 black females out of 16 - 20 housemates. Gina has survived to the final as did Makosi, the rest tbh were not that great as housemates.

Going back to Mel in BB1 she was hated because she flirted with men in the house that had girlfriends, not because of her skin colour.

[Northern Monkey]

But look at the historical evidence :pipe2:
Some on that list were unlucky,Some like Toya i liked but the general public did'nt get her attitude and some were absolute bitches.Pauline is not a good example and Gina did exceptionally well for how much her attitude stank.Some were probably evicted for no good reason but then so have many white girls.If there is an 'ism' involved i'd say it's sexism and mainly by other females.

[Fat.Rat]

How do we even know for sure anymore that it isn't the producers deciding who stays and goes, they took the live feed away so it would suit them what they show us so iv never really trusted the channel 5 versions of the show x

[Jason.]

I personally think there is underlying racism with the public.

I think a perfect example of this is the crowd reaction Pav received last year.

An Asian housemate, who was quiet harmless and dull at worst getting booed and chanted every single week. It speaks volumes that he got a worse reception than Steven Goode.

He did nothing wrong to warrant a heavy negative reception every single week he was up. Even on the final.

[Pete.]

How do we even know for sure anymore that it isn't the producers deciding who stays and goes, they took the live feed away so it would suit them what they show us so iv never really trusted the channel 5 versions of the show x
Because it's against the law

[Jason.]

Also the odds of a black female being evicted are increased when BB cast 1/2 black females out of 16 - 20 housemates. Gina has survived to the final as did Makosi, the rest tbh were not that great as housemates.

Going back to Mel in BB1 she was hated because she flirted with men in the house that had girlfriends, not because of her skin colour.

Debatable.

Mel got a hard time back then. She flirted with all the males, yet Claire (a white female) hooked up with Thomas, who had a girlfriend outside the house. And she didn't get as much of a hard time as Mel (a black woman) did for flirting with a couple of single guys.

Black women have always gotten a hard time on BBUK.

[James]

Debatable.

Mel got a hard time back then. She flirted with all the males, yet Claire (a white female) hooked up with Thomas, who had a girlfriend outside the house. And she didn't get as much of a hard time as Mel (a black woman) did for flirting with a couple of single guys.

Black women have always gotten a hard time on BBUK.

That happened after the series finished, if I remember correctly.

[Ninastar]

No. People these days are so determined to say that X is so Xist!!! when half of the time, it's the people who are preaching that X is Xish that are the ones who are Xist.

You're the one making it about skin colour, not the public.

[ruiphillips]

I personally think there is underlying racism with the public.

Oh really? Explain Pauline's well received launch night reaction last year. After, the general public saw what a vile person she was and booed her. Not because she was black. Because she exhibited nasty behaviour.

[Fat.Rat]

Oh really? Explain Pauline's well received launch night reaction last year. The general public saw what a vile person she was and booed her. Not because she was black. Because she exhibited nasty behaviour.

So true! If it was race then she would have been booed going in x

[Denver]

No. People these days are so determined to say that X is so Xist!!! when half of the time, it's the people who are preaching that X is Xish that are the ones who are Xist.

You're the one making it about skin colour, not the public.

:clap:

[Jason.]

That happened after the series finished, if I remember correctly.

My bad. She flirted with Craig during her time in the house.
Yet, she wasn't as hated as Melanie was.

[Benjamin]

Debatable.

Mel got a hard time back then. She flirted with all the males, yet Claire (a white female) hooked up with Thomas, who had a girlfriend outside the house. And she didn't get as much of a hard time as Mel (a black woman) did for flirting with a couple of single guys.

Black women have always gotten a hard time on BBUK.

Claire was kicked out instantly though after 1 week by the public (and it was Craig I'm sure). Mel did it over the whole season so the hate built up.

[Lampfan]

Since most of the voters are female, I guess you have to ask yourselves :D

Seriously though, who gives a flying ****?.... If we get a good series winner, who cares?

Denise Welch was a mess and she won, so where's the woman hate?

[Jason.]

Oh really? Explain Pauline's well received launch night reaction last year. After, the general public saw what a vile person she was and booed her. Not because she was black. Because she exhibited nasty behaviour.

Explain why Pauline was adored on launch night.
Yet, the bookies didn't even bother placing her favourite to win, and instead placed Winston (a white man) as a favourite instead?

[Marsh.]

Oh god Harriet would be loathed if she was black

There's a lot of hate for her since her negative attributes became apparent in the last couple of shows.

[bots]

Explain why Pauline was adored on launch night.
Yet, the bookies didn't even bother placing her favourite to win, and instead placed Winston (a white man) as a favourite instead?

The bookies got Winston wrong all the way from the start up to the point he was evicted. I think you are clutching at straws.

Bookies only think in terms of money, nothing else enters into their equations.
It actually makes me very angry when people falsely try and attribute discrimination.

[Lampfan]

Explain why Pauline was adored on launch night.
Yet, the bookies didn't even bother placing her favourite to win, and instead placed Winston (a white man) as a favourite instead?

Because he was basically a clone off TOWIE?

Who won last year?... Who were the final 2?

Stop looking to be offended. You are stupid.

[Jason.]

Because he was basically a clone off TOWIE?

Who won last year?... Who were the final 2?

Stop looking to be offended. You are stupid.

You completely misconstrued my point. So I'm not going to bother arguing with you.

BIB - Lol, k then.

[LukeB]

Maybe adjoa didn't deserve that reaction but I 100% believe it was nothing down to racism. I don't think BBViewers are racist people. well not all of them but the crowd boo anyone, I think it's put on for Panto.

[Raph]

Pete I legit agree with everything you've said but I also think it applies to asian women. I'm gonna give a long thorough answer to this tomorrow cause it's a great discussion point.

[Lampfan]

You completely misconstrued my point. So I'm not going to bother arguing with you.

BIB - Lol, k then.

I apologise.

Not looking to be awkward, so please put your point across..

[LemonJam]

yeah its definitely something I picked up on and was a big factor in making me stop watching BBUK tbh.

BB11 is a prime example of this. Every week when a black woman was up for eviction they went home despite them being up against much, much worse personalities.

[Lampfan]

I'm not sure that was the public more than the producers choosing a certain "persona".

I've watched BB for over 10 years and the only black people I wanted to win were Victor and Adam. And they are 2 of my favorites It's nothing to do with the voters, it's the ****ing selecting panel.

[GLENN BILL BB7]

What about BB8 Charley as well? and BB9 Alexandra and Silvia? They were Hated but to be fair they were aggressive housemates, Its True Black Female Housemates never do very well in the show.

[GLENN BILL BB7]

What about BB8 Charley as well? and BB9 Alexandra and Silvia? They were Hated but to be fair they were aggressive housemates, Its True! Black Female Housemates never do very well in the show.

[Mystic Mock]

Tbh it is like the young pretty white girl hate on talent shows all over again where people just keep denying the truth even though the evidence keeps building up on BB's prejudice of black girls, well black contestants full stop.

[LukeB]

but there is so many evidence that it's not racism too

[Lampfan]

Swallow!... I love Bush!

[Mystic Mock]

but there is so many evidence that it's not racism too

I'll try and do a count of how things have ended up for the black contestants.

Positives:
Victor survived an eviction vote
Gina survived eviction votes and came 3rd
Science survived 3 eviction votes
Adam came 2nd and survived a couple of eviction votes
Anton scraped past Aden in BB12
Makosi survived an eviction vote and finished 3rd


Negatives:
Mel being hated for flirting with the guys, yet BB6 and BB7 had winners that was very guilty for the same thing
Adele being the first ever BBUK Housemate to be booed
Victor losing to Jason who was vile throughout his whole stay, but Victor loses his cool once and he catches up a 150,000 vote lead and goes
Makosi and Vanessa being in the bottom two during BB6
Science losing to Orlaith
Charley Uchea being hated for being argumentative, yet John James and Helen Wood was championed for the same stuff years later
Sylvia was a bit bitchy, yet gets evicted against Mohammed with 91%
Sophia's harsh reception from the public because she hated the sour faced Saffia
Rachel being voted out for being bullied by John James
Anton losing to Jem and Jay who were repulsive
Shievonne losing to Conor who threatened to rape someone, and physically slapped another Housemate in the face, and intimidated him
Pauline out the door for similar behaviour that people like Carole from BB8 was endorsed for
Toya evicted in an 8-way eviction
Adjoa loses to Eileen who's been offensive the past few days, and hard faced Sarah, and peoples excuses was because she said pussy a lot? Well I hope that Danny gets struck out as soon as he goes up then
Kieran's already increasing his hate because of his “voice”

You see what you think of that.

[LukeB]

I'm 100% against racism but I don't like race card being played when there's a reason why that person got evicted. Either they acted like dicks aka Pauline/Sophia or fans voting to keep their favourite which is a reason why Adjoa went as well as talking about pussy and moaning all the time. the 1st female/housemate who got chanted get someone out is a white female and the person with the highest % to evict was a white female.

[Mystic Mock]

Nicole was special.:laugh:

[LukeB]

I'll try and do a count of how things have ended up for the black contestants.

Positives:
Victor survived an eviction vote
Gina survived eviction votes and came 3rd
Science survived 3 eviction votes
Adam came 2nd and survived a couple of eviction votes
Anton scraped past Aden in BB12
Makosi survived an eviction vote and finished 3rd


Negatives:
Mel being hated for flirting with the guys, yet BB6 and BB7 had winners that was very guilty for the same thing can't comment on that because idk
Adele being the first ever BBUK Housemate to be booed
Victor losing to Jason who was vile throughout his whole stay, but Victor loses his cool once and he catches up a 150,000 vote lead and goes Victor was a twat most of BB6
Makosi and Vanessa being in the bottom two during BB6 Makosi was no angel, she pissed off the public.. Vanessa was bitchy too
Science losing to Orlaith Science was a dick
Charley Uchea being hated for being argumentative, yet John James and Helen Wood was championed for the same stuff years later Helen would have been evicted week 1 if it was not for that final pass, Ashleigh vs helen what made her win
Sylvia was a bit bitchy, yet gets evicted against Mohammed with 91% Sylvia going against Mo is not racist
Sophia's harsh reception from the public because she hated the sour faced Saffia Sophie came across bad
Rachel being voted out for being bullied by John James john james fans probs voted her out (jealously)
Anton losing to Jem and Jay who were repulsive Anton was a cocky twat
Shievonne losing to Conor who threatened to rape someone, and physically slapped another Housemate in the face, and intimidated him Shievonne annoyed people
Pauline out the door for similar behaviour that people like Carole from BB8 was endorsed for Carole wasn;t a bully
Toya evicted in an 8-way eviction toya came across bad
Adjoa loses to Eileen who's been offensive the past few days, and hard faced Sarah, and peoples excuses was because she said pussy a lot? Well I hope that Danny gets struck out as soon as he goes up then pussy/moan/fandom
Kieran's already increasing his hate because of his “voice” People hate the birmingham accent


You see what you think of that.

a lot of reasons why they got evicted

[LukeB]

Pauline got voted power housemate/Sophia was loved on Day 1 and people picked up the phone to make her a housemate

but both acted like dicks where Pauline bullied Jale and Sophia came across bad.

Adam never got evicted on BB13 and Deana survived too
Brian Belo won over 2 blonde females
Nadia Won
Shipa and Jermaine top 2 on CBB

[854]

It's sad but bbusa is way more racist at the end of the day. IMO.

[Slevin]

i dont think it had anything to do with racism. must have been that 1 or 2 pounds of butter Adjoa put on her toast was the final straw

[Semtex]

Are we the only country which cries racism when a black woman gets evicted from the house?

[Mystic Mock]

Are we the only country which cries racism when a black woman gets evicted from the house?

Does every countries BB vote them out at nearly every opportunity?

[Pete.]

Charley Uchea being hated for being argumentative, yet John James and Helen Wood was championed for the same stuff years later

Yesss

[billy123]

Are we the only country which cries racism when a black woman gets evicted from the house?I think so.
It is an easy way to play the victim whilst managing to ignore any shortfalls of a housemate.
Its pretty offensive and pathetic really but people that grab for the racism card at every opportunity dont really know any better so you just have to ignore them really.
They dont realise that what they are doing is of detriment to what they think they are trying to defend so while they think they are doing a good thing they really arent.
Their heart is in the right place i suppose but it doesnt make them right far from it infact.

[jennyjuniper]

I don't think so. Otherwise Brian Belo wouldn't have won. I think it's more the kind of people they choose.
Mostly the black males are laid back and out to have fun, whereas for some reason the black females are angry and cause endless arguments. Adjoa wasn't that way, but she was pretty boring and had one of the most irritating voices I've heard.

[ruiphillips]

Using race as the main focus as to why a housemate was hated is stupid.

So it's got nothing to do with their behaviour?

Adjoa digged her own grave. Should've have been more wise not to act like a twat so early on.

[Mystic Mock]

I don't think so. Otherwise Brian Belo wouldn't have won. I think it's more the kind of people they choose.
Mostly the black males are laid back and out to have fun, whereas for some reason the black females are angry and cause endless arguments. Adjoa wasn't that way, but she was pretty boring and had one of the most irritating voices I've heard.

So Adjoa being more entertaining than both of the other nominees shouldn't have counted for anything?

[billy123]

So Adjoa being more entertaining than both of the other nominees shouldn't have counted for anything?:umm2: WTF loool.
Was it the long drawn out words that made it almost seem like she couldn't be arsed talking that you found entertaining or the vacant look on her face in the live show that made it look like there was nobody at home?? :joker:

[Liam-]

So Adjoa being more entertaining than both of the other nominees shouldn't have counted for anything?

That's just an opinion, i personally found her more annoying than the other two nominees

[Headie]

I think there's a slight bit of sub-conscious racism that happens with voting, but I mainly put that down to VTE. VTE makes people look for the negatives in people and makes the show more hateful, and people look for any little thing that makes you stand out from the others or not fit in, such as being a bit louder than others or slightly more argumentative

I don't think people realise they do it but it's just subconsciously drilled into people's minds that black girls are stereotypically raging bitches.

Typecasting is also a major reason for this. When was the last time the producers cast a black girl who wasn't stereotypically fierce or sassy? If they could actually cast a black girl with a similar personality to, say, Josie, then maybe a black girl would actually have a chance of surviving an eviction. But if producers keep casting the same types of black girl, then they are ruining their chances before they've even entered tbh

[divergent]

i can imagine the majority viewers/voters of BB being quite xenophobic tbh

[Babayaro.]

The straws have been clutched

[billy123]

The remnants of the weave crew are revolting. :joker:
Adjoa was a bore you can clutch at any straw you want but thats a fact.
Have a nice summer :)

[chuff me dizzy]

Adjoa was kicked out because she is a twat, keep racism out of it please, it makes you look silly and desperate

[Liam-]

If they cast some decent black women for a change rather than the people who live up to a stereotype that's been created, then maybe they'd get further in the show and turn out to be adored rather than being evicted early on.

It's not racism, it's just people dealing with the cards that are being dealt to them by the casting people.

[LukeB]

And i'm pretty sure people who actually liked adjoa voted to evict her because they prefer sarah/eileen. When you vote to evict sometimes it's not down to who you hate, fan clubs will vote someone to try and save their favourite.

[Pete.]

A lot of overly defensive people in here, if you disagree that's fine but don't stoop low

[Denver]

A lot of overly defensive people in here, if you disagree that's fine but don't stoop low

Isnt making fake racism claims stooping low not giving valid reasons to why she was evicted?

[Pete.]

Isnt making fake racism claims stooping low not giving valid reasons to why she was evicted?
nnn you clearly don't understand the point of this thread

[Denver]

nnn you clearly don't understand the point of this thread

I do and so far every point made in relation to racism is false

[Pete.]

I do and so far every point made in relation to racism is false
Thank you for your opinion

[Headie]

If they cast some decent black women for a change rather than the people who live up to a stereotype that's been created, then maybe they'd get further in the show and turn out to be adored rather than being evicted early on.

It's not racism, it's just people dealing with the cards that are being dealt to them by the casting people.

Pretty much what I just posted, couldn't agree more :worship:

[Macie Lightfoot]

Brian Belo won
Gina survived so many evictions

Giving two examples of black people doing well doesn't mean that the public isn't racist ever. Racism isn't viewed in terms of all or nothing.

you need to watch BB10 again

So what did Noirin do wrong then?

Hira got cheers mainly

Hira was viciously booed when she entered for no reason whatsoever.

Also the odds of a black female being evicted are increased when BB cast 1/2 black females out of 16 - 20 housemates. Gina has survived to the final as did Makosi, the rest tbh were not that great as housemates.

Going back to Mel in BB1 she was hated because she flirted with men in the house that had girlfriends, not because of her skin colour.

This was already brought up, but Claire was flirting with Craig despite the fact that she had a boyfriend of ELEVEN YEARS, yet their relationship was seen Sam endearing.

yeah its definitely something I picked up on and was a big factor in making me stop watching BBUK tbh.

BB11 is a prime example of this. Every week when a black woman was up for eviction they went home despite them being up against much, much worse personalities.

mhmm preach the righteous truth LJ. Especially this week with Adjoa, she was rather inoffensive and funny yet she received a lot of the negative answers in the public opinion task (despite the public having nothing to base that stuff off of!) and was booed to death as got OFF OFF OFF chants for an interview that was nothing out of the ordinary. BBUK has always been a show about racism and I'm shocked that so many people are doing mental gymnastics to deny that.

[Pete.]

Still perched for Raph's post

[Ninastar]

If they cast some decent black women for a change rather than the people who live up to a stereotype that's been created, then maybe they'd get further in the show and turn out to be adored rather than being evicted early on.

It's not racism, it's just people dealing with the cards that are being dealt to them by the casting people.

I agree with this tbh. Well said :)

[lovebigbrotheruk]

The best thread I have seen on here. Every single point is spot on! Racism is more apparent this series than it has ever been.

[jennyjuniper]

So Adjoa being more entertaining than both of the other nominees shouldn't have counted for anything?

If she had been more entertaining, then yes. But personally I didn't find her so. Having said that, very few of the housemates are entertaining.

[Raph]

Still perched for Raph's post

Okay lemme respond to this now :)

[Raph]

First off, terrific post by Pete, I love discussions like this brought to the table.

I actually agree with Pete entirely. People of color, in particular women of color face the hardest time in Big Brother - through casting, in the house and through the way in which the public perceive them.

In terms of casting, the type-casting we get is ridiculous. The amount of 'sassy'/'feisty' black women we get, to begin with, shows how casting is limiting that group of people to such a small bracket of personality. It's the same with gay people. I can't remember the last gay person who defied stereotypes of flamboyance being cast into the house. Casting in a similar way every year, is inevitably going to influence those housemates' experience in the house, as the public already assume things about housemates, on the basis of their race, gender or sexuality. I'd say the issue of casting with Asian women is even worse. Correct me if i'm wrong, but I believe Deana was the only Asian women cast over the course of BB on channel 5?

Next, we get to how they're treated in the house. Let's begin with Deana and her relationship with Conor, Ashleigh etc. They all despised her, yet could never explain why. Let's look at Hira - she had an entirely harmless VT, yet was boo'ed into the house quite badly. Or perhaps let's look at BBlock dynamics in BB9 - A ginger, an Asian woman, a Welsh woman, and two black men. The other side of the house that excluded them earlier on? Jennifer, Bex, Luke, Dale, Dennis were all white, British people. Yes Sylvia was also part of that group but then who out of them was evicted first? The woman of color. Out of Bblock who managed to win? The white woman. Yes, you could argue that it was entirely due to personality but i'm going to disagree here.

I think consciously, yes people evict people on Big Brother because they are not fond of their personality. However, it's the subconscious institutional racism that is most powerful to me, in this case. Structures of society have built a hierarchy largely divided up by gender and ethnicity. As a result, unfortunately there is a subconscious superiority associated with white people on Big Brother, allowing them to behave in the same way as people of color, with fewer negative consequences. As much as we like to say racism is a thing of the past, it's very much not so. Subconscious racism such as institutional racism is the hardest form of racism to tackle, as it's far less obvious. The fact that white males constitute of the majority of winners exemplifies that in a pretty clear way.

Anyways, to finish off, I think the Big Brother experience is considerably more difficult for people of color (particularly women, but not exclusively) as they face conscious as well as subconscious discrimination on three different levels - casting, house dynamics and public perception.

[Headie]

Raph and Troy in agreement for once :worship:

Great posts from both of them

[Marsh.]

Just seems the go to excuse when people's favourites aren't liked as much as they'd want them to be.

Just as I could easily say it's positive discrimination that people love and get all "yasssssss" the moment a black woman with an attitude appears on any TV show.

[Headie]

First off, terrific post by Pete, I love discussions like this brought to the table.

I actually agree with Pete entirely. People of color, in particular women of color face the hardest time in Big Brother - through casting, in the house and through the way in which the public perceive them.

In terms of casting, the type-casting we get is ridiculous. The amount of 'sassy'/'feisty' black women we get, to begin with, shows how casting is limiting that group of people to such a small bracket of personality. It's the same with gay people. I can't remember the last gay person who defied stereotypes of flamboyance being cast into the house. Casting in a similar way every year, is inevitably going to influence those housemates' experience in the house, as the public already assume things about housemates, on the basis of their race, gender or sexuality. I'd say the issue of casting with Asian women is even worse. Correct me if i'm wrong, but I believe Deana was the only Asian women cast over the course of BB on channel 5?

Next, we get to how they're treated in the house. Let's begin with Deana and her relationship with Conor, Ashleigh etc. They all despised her, yet could never explain why. Let's look at Hira - she had an entirely harmless VT, yet was boo'ed into the house quite badly. Or perhaps let's look at BBlock dynamics in BB9 - A ginger, an Asian woman, a Welsh woman, and two black men. The other side of the house that excluded them earlier on? Jennifer, Bex, Luke, Dale, Dennis were all white, British people. Yes Sylvia was also part of that group but then who out of them was evicted first? The woman of color. Out of Bblock who managed to win? The white woman. Yes, you could argue that it was entirely due to personality but i'm going to disagree here.

I think consciously, yes people evict people on Big Brother because they are not fond of their personality. However, it's the subconscious institutional racism that is most powerful to me, in this case. Structures of society have built a hierarchy largely divided up by gender and ethnicity. As a result, unfortunately there is a subconscious superiority associated with white people on Big Brother, allowing them to behave in the same way as people of color, with fewer negative consequences. As much as we like to say racism is a thing of the past, it's very much not so. Subconscious racism such as institutional racism is the hardest form of racism to tackle, as it's far less obvious. The fact that white males constitute of the majority of winners exemplifies that in a pretty clear way.

Anyways, to finish off, I think the Big Brother experience is considerably more difficult for people of color (particularly women, but not exclusively) as they face conscious as well as subconscious discrimination on three different levels - casting, house dynamics and public perception.
This is literally the best post you've ever made :clap1:

[Raph]

This is literally the best post you've ever made :clap1:

Thanks man :) And thanks to Pete for starting off this really productive discussion!

[Headie]

Thanks man :) And thanks to Pete for starting off this really productive discussion!

This reminds of BBCAN when Naeha was targeted just for looking like Neda

[Raph]

This reminds of BBCAN when Naeha was targeted just for looking like Neda

Oh absolutely. Naeha was an intelligent, independent woman of color. Of course that was going to be more threatening than any equivalent or even intellectually superior white man.

I mean i'd definitely say racism in Big Brother is not exclusive to BBUK. Take a look at Big Brother 15 USA - this series literally exemplified very active racism. The treatment of Candice by Aryan, Gina Marie and Spencer etc was absolutely disgusting. And yet, Aryan is still viewed as an 'idol' (it's unbelievable), by some people.

[Headie]

Oh absolutely. Naeha was an intelligent, independent woman of color. Of course that was going to be more threatening than any equivalent or even intellectually superior white man.

I mean i'd definitely say racism in Big Brother is not exclusive to BBUK. Take a look at Big Brother 15 USA - this series literally exemplified very active racism. The treatment of Candice by Aryan, Gina Marie and Spencer etc was absolutely disgusting. And yet, Aryan is still viewed as an 'idol' (it's unbelievable), by some people.

Preach it sista

AarynGriesFan shade?

[Raph]

Preach it sista

AarynGriesFan shade?

Drag ha :wink:

[Marsh.]

Have they done away with the cheesy "________ calling" thing they'd start off with? :laugh:

[Marsh.]

Oops wrong thread. :hee:

[bots]

Oops wrong thread. :hee:

**** off back to euro trash :smug:

[Marsh.]

**** off back to euro trash :smug:

Reported.

[Mystic Mock]

Is it just me as well who thought that Adjoa wasn't a stereotype?

[Mystic Mock]

Oh absolutely. Naeha was an intelligent, independent woman of color. Of course that was going to be more threatening than any equivalent or even intellectually superior white man.

I mean i'd definitely say racism in Big Brother is not exclusive to BBUK. Take a look at Big Brother 15 USA - this series literally exemplified very active racism. The treatment of Candice by Aryan, Gina Marie and Spencer etc was absolutely disgusting. And yet, Aryan is still viewed as an 'idol' (it's unbelievable), by some people.

I liked Aaryn.:blush:

I'm blaming it on the blonde hair though.

[Pete.]

I liked Aaryn.:blush:

I'm blaming it on the blonde hair though.
How? :omgno:

[Pete.]

Thank you for a great and articulate post Raph :clap1:

It remained me of BB6 when the white people (Anthony, Saskia, Maxwell, Craig etc) segregated themselves from the minority housemates who were largely in the majority that year. Yet Anthony won and Makosi received terrible treatment from the public

[Mystic Mock]

How? :omgno:

God was unfair with the visual.:joker:

[Pete.]

God was unfair with the visual.:joker:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-g7zNRyv-Rv0/UdQ0VmN14gI/AAAAAAAAQbg/RYsHM1e3kOY/s400/mvp.gif

[Vicky.]

I didn't like Adjoa tbh but it was more the OTT sex talk and tbh sometimes it came across as forced too :shrug:

I wanted Sarah saved, but wasn't too arsed between the other two. In hindsight though it does seem to have been the right choice

As for this

she was just very open about her sexuality; SO WHAT? Obviously on this occasion it IS a race thing and it's mortifying.

I completely disagree. There is being open with your sexuality, and there is being a sleaze and just TRYING to shock with the things you come out with. I seriously doubt anyone would be fine with the guys talking like that. I mean...on being asked what part of a girl attracts you first..answer pussy? Really? **** off...

[Macie Lightfoot]

I seriously doubt anyone would be fine with the guys talking like that. I mean...on being asked what part of a girl attracts you first..answer pussy? Really? **** off...

OK but Winston rapped about poontang with Marlon and was loved

[Pete.]

OK but Winston rapped about poontang with Marlon and was loved
And Biannca was hated for sex talk

[Marsh.]

Thank you for a great and articulate post Raph :clap1:

It remained me of BB6 when the white people (Anthony, Saskia, Maxwell, Craig etc) segregated themselves from the minority housemates who were largely in the majority that year. Yet Anthony won and Makosi received terrible treatment from the public

Was Anthony a delusional weirdo who pretended he got impregnated by a finger?

[Cherie]

OK but Winston rapped about poontang with Marlon and was loved

Wasn't he booted out as soon as he was up?

[Pete.]

Was Anthony a delusional weirdo who pretended he got impregnated by a finger?
He was vicious bully tho

[Marsh.]

He was vicious bully tho

A vicious bully of who?

And to be fair, any of the 16 housemates from BB6 was at one point or another a horrible person. Any winner that series would've been a bit "Huh".

Well, maybe everyone except Eugene.

[Pete.]

A vicious bully of who?

And to be fair, any of the 16 housemates from BB6 was at one point or another a horrible person. Any winner that series would've been a bit "Huh".

Well, maybe everyone except Eugene.
In my opinion he was part of the bully circle of Maxwell, Saskia etc. When they left he carried on picking on Derek, he also engaged in aggressive arguments with Kemal and Craig

[Marsh.]

In my opinion he was part of the bully circle of Maxwell, Saskia etc. When they left he carried on picking on Derek, he also engaged in aggressive arguments with Kemal and Craig

Aggressive arguments with Derek, Craig and Kemal definitely.

But were any of those three "victims" of his bullying? Not in the slightest. All of them gave as good as they got.

Derek's treatment of Sam was bloody awful, so I especially don't buy him as some victim of bullying.

[Cherie]

:umm2: this thread


I think I wll start my own thread about anti Irish sentiment every time someone disses Jade :hmph:

[Pete.]

Aggressive arguments with Derek, Craig and Kemal definitely.

But were any of those three "victims" of his bullying? Not in the slightest. All of them gave as good as they got.

Derek's treatment of Sam was bloody awful, so I especially don't buy him as some victim of bullying.
kk

[Marsh.]

:umm2: this thread


I think I wll start my own thread about anti Irish sentiment every time someone disses Jade :hmph:

:joker:

[Marsh.]

kk

Glad you know I'm right. :smug:

But honestly, the reaching is getting desperate.

[billy123]

Glad you know I'm right. :smug:

But honestly, the reaching is getting desperate.It is more than desperate it is vindictive,nasty and petty.
Everybody knows there is a racist element in our society and if these people that are making these claims truly believed that there was a problem with this show in particular their time would be better spent complaining to C5 and asking them to deal with it rather than flinging utter crap at members of this forum most of which are not racist and dont hold these bigoted views.

Doing anything else other than addressing these kind of complaints to the people in charge of the show just stinks of the behaviour of trouble makers rather than the behaviour of people with genuine concerns.

[Cherie]

It is more than desperate it is vindictive,nasty and petty. Everybody knows there is a racist element in our society and if these people that are making these claims truly believed that there was a problem with this show in particular their time would be better spent complaining to C5 and asking them to deal with rather than flinging utter crap at members of this forum most of which are not racist and dont hold these bigoted views.
Doing anything else than addressing these kind of complaints to the people in charge of the show just stinks of the behaviour of trouble makers rather than the behaviour of people with genuine concerns.

:clap1:

[Pete.]

It is more than desperate it is vindictive,nasty and petty.
Everybody knows there is a racist element in our society and if these people that are making these claims truly believed that there was a problem with this show in particular their time would be better spent complaining to C5 and asking them to deal with it rather than flinging utter crap at members of this forum most of which are not racist and dont hold these bigoted views.

Doing anything else other than addressing these kind of complaints to the people in charge of the show just stinks of the behaviour of trouble makers rather than the behaviour of people with genuine concerns.
This is a forum and this topic was made to debate a serious issue.

Some people feel passionately for and against this issue which I think is healthy

[Marsh.]

This is a forum and this topic was made to debate a serious issue.

Some people feel passionately for and against this issue which I think is healthy

It's not healthy when the passion for this issue descends into making up sick fabrications like "monkey noises" made at the eviction.

Seems desperately trying to find an issue more than one presenting itself for debate.

[Cherie]

This is a forum and this topic was made to debate a serious issue.

Some people feel passionately for and against this issue which I think is healthy

Debate is fine but when forum members can't make any comment on the black housemates while it's open season on the rest it's really difficult to take it seriously.

[Macie Lightfoot]

What a load of rubbish, what about all the white people thats been evicted ,was that racist:conf3:

White people have had it so tough on BBUK, they have only won 14 of the last 15 series :(

[Amy Jade]

I'm just saying but I don't think the sexual aspect is a race thing, i'd say a female thing. Sexual women always get a lot of hate and if they say something classed as vulgar they'll get dragged (Penny, Sam, Kinga, Leah, Shanessa, Bianca, Adjoa etc) but guys get away with waaaayyy more imo

[Macie Lightfoot]

Shipa and Jermaine top 2 on CBB

You're really not going to get far if you're using CBB5 as an example of race relations in the UK. Like, I'm actually floored.

[LukeB]

You're really not going to get far if you're using CBB5 as an example of race relations in the UK. Like, I'm actually floored.

i thought i had you on ignore

[Jarvio]

Yes, and sexism too.

Every first evictee (by public vote) has either been a woman, or a black man (except for Andrew Stone). No coincidence IMO.

[bots]

Given that people pay good money when they vote, I very much doubt they vote with racism in mind. Racism is not widespread within the uk, if it was, there would be many more cases going to court. You either subscribe to the idea of the show based on it being a popularity contest, or you don't, if you don't then don't watch the show.

[Marsh.]

White people have had it so tough on BBUK, they have only won 14 of the last 15 series :(

Wow, anyone would think we're in a county that is predominantly white and therefore the odds are in their favour.

[Macie Lightfoot]

for the record I definitely would've posted a certain collage image but it may or may not be banned? it's a really telling visual of all the black girls evicted at the first opportunity :(

[Vicky.]

OK but Winston rapped about poontang with Marlon and was loved

Couldn't stand winston, but I do remember the guys getting flack that season for being sleazes..IIRC Marlon (and maybe someone else) got warnings for how they spoke about the women.... Even so, I didn't hear pussy talk coming out of their mouths every couple of seconds, unless I missed a lot of it or it was cut out. Maybe she didn't go on as much as it made out, but honestly, its pretty much all I remember of her besides how bloody gorgeous she was

And Biannca was hated for sex talk

Hardly just sex talk, come on :joker:

[Marsh.]

for the record I definitely would've posted a certain collage image but it may or may not be banned? it's a really telling visual of all the black girls evicted at the first opportunity :(

Lies. Many of them were nominated several times. :hee:

[Marsh.]

Hardly just sex talk, come on :joker:

Exactly. She wasn't a woman who talked about sex, she was a woman who was desperate for attention, shouting, screaming, flashing her tits, riding Winston etc.

Irritating doesn't come close.

[Vicky.]

Exactly. She wasn't a woman who talked about sex, she was a woman who was desperate for attention, shouting, screaming, flashing her tits, riding Winston etc.

Irritating doesn't come close.

I quite liked Bianca tbh, for all of about an hour. Seemed a breath of fresh air..but she soon came across as really desperate. Mind it was quite funny seeing Winston pretty much literally running away from her. But to say Bianca was hated for sex talk is bloody ridiculous.

[Pete.]

Biannca would have stayed longer if she didn't immediately become pals with Hellen

[Jason.]

Biannca would have stayed longer if she didn't immediately become pals with Hellen

This. And I like Helen.

Also, Pav's self-pitying victim status also helped him get more votes than her.
Honestly, what a tool Pav was.

[Pete.]

Pav's thirst to be friends with Steven was so bizarre

[Macie Lightfoot]

Lies. Many of them were nominated several times. :hee:

Melanie, Amma, Anouska, Charley, Sylvia, Rachael, Ife, Rachel, Jo, Shievonne, Toya, Biannca, and Adjoa were all evicted at the first opportunity, and that's just going off the top of my head.

[Jamesy]

Yeah lets not forget Biannca got fully naked in the garden several times too :laugh:

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/07/18/article-2697861-1FC641F800000578-535_638x472.jpg

[Pete.]

Melanie, Amma, Anouska, Charley, Sylvia, Rachael, Ife, Rachel, Jo, Shievonne, Toya, Biannca, and Adjoa were all evicted at the first opportunity, and that's just going off the top of my head.
Post that Black Girls collage, it sums up my OP perfectly :laugh:

[Macie Lightfoot]

I think my biggest problem with Biannca was how quick she was to run to Helen and bitch about how Danielle's not who she thinks she is. The whole slutshaming of Danielle as a webcam girl was uncomfortable, but the hypocrisy was rich coming from a stripper and a former prostitute.

and Pete I would've posted it by now but I'm really not trying to get another infraction since that image is apparently spam :rolleyes:

[Pete.]

Not in the context of the thread imo

[Marsh.]

Melanie, Amma, Anouska, Charley, Sylvia, Rachael, Ife, Rachel, Jo, Shievonne, Toya, Biannca, and Adjoa were all evicted at the first opportunity, and that's just going off the top of my head.

Many of which were in the house passed the halfway mark.

But keep dreaming hun.

[Marsh.]

I think my biggest problem with Biannca was how quick she was to run to Helen and bitch about how Danielle's not who she thinks she is. The whole slutshaming of Danielle as a webcam girl was uncomfortable, but the hypocrisy was rich coming from a stripper and a former prostitute.

Wasn't really slutshaming though.

That whole thing was about Danielle being a fake pretending to be a prude strict catholic when she was just like Helen and Bianca was what annoyed them.

[Pete.]

Many of which were in the house passed the halfway mark.

But keep dreaming hun.
That's because they weren't nominated by their housemates yet

[Marsh.]

One racism topic not enough for you hun? :hee:

[Pete.]

Updated OP!

[Pete.]

One racism topic not enough for you hun? :hee:
I've been meaning to update this for ages tbf

[Marsh.]

I've been meaning to update this for ages tbf

I believe you. :smug:

[Ant.]

This. And I like Helen.

Also, Pav's self-pitying victim status also helped him get more votes than her.
Honestly, what a tool Pav was.

I honestly thought he was lying when he said he had a degree in Psychology and would manipulate the house, but looking back he sneakily victimised himself to make it to the final

As much as I liked Biannca, I'm glad she went because if she stayed she would've evicted Ashleigh

[thisisdanny]

Vanessa and Makosi received the top two votes because they used to sit in the loft every night and bitch about the others, Hira was evicted because it was vote to SAVE and she was boring, Tashie was evicted because of the constant crying about fish fingers, Heaven was irritating. She was up for eviction with Rebeckah in Week 2, if it was a racism thing why didn't Heaven get evicted then? I could go on. A lot of these got into a lot of arguments and were very annoying, just like a lot of the white housemates, who have also been evicted with boos, and some unfairly. It's not racist just because you've listed all of the black housemates that have received hate for reasons other than their race, but simply because they weren't good housemates.

[Pete.]

A lot of these got into a lot of arguments and were very annoying, just like a lot of the white housemates, who have also been evicted with boos, and some unfairly.

Helen got into arguments and was very annoying yet she won?

[Ant.]

Helen got into arguments and was very annoying yet she won?

She's hated by a lot of the public and the producers edited her into a redemption arc

[Pete.]

She's hated by a lot of the public and the producers edited her into a redemption arc
There was no redemption

[Marsh.]

Helen got into arguments and was very annoying yet she won?

But she also had a pass to the final and never faced any vote to evict.

[Pete.]

But she also had a pass to the final and never faced any vote to evict.
If Helen was black she would have come dead last

[Liam-]

No, it's not.

[Headie]

Post that Black Girls collage, it sums up my OP perfectly :laugh:

http://i58.tinypic.com/abeif.jpg

[Jack_]

http://i58.tinypic.com/abeif.jpg

:joker:

Always gets me

[Marsh.]

If Helen was black she would have come dead last

Accusing Mutha P of not giving the pass to a black Helen?

(For anyone with a short memory, Pauline was a black housemate who became a big favourite on launch night and was voted as power housemate :hee:)

[Jason.]

If Helen was black she would have come dead last

If Helen was black, Hayden would love her.

[Pete.]

Accusing Mutha P of not giving the pass to a black Helen?

(For anyone with a short memory, Pauline was a black housemate who became a big favourite on launch night and was voted as power housemate :hee:)
And was then slaughtered and evicted ASAP

[Jason.]

In all fairness, if Pauline was white she still would've had her downfall. Same way Wolfy did.

[EspeonBB]

Lol this is so obvious. Black housemates, especially females are ALWAYS evicted and booed heavily, even the ones who really don't deserve it.

[Pete.]

In all fairness, if Pauline was white she still would've had her downfall. Same way Wolfy did.
Yeah

[Jason.]

Black men have it easier than black women.

For example, Adjoa was evicted and booed and jeered heavily by the crowd for doing nothing wrong at all. A week later, Kieran is evicted in 4in4out, and gets the best reception out of the evictees that night (all women). Harriet (who he left the house with) was booed, but when Emma said his name, he was cheered.

I think sexism also comes into the equation as well as covert racism.

[Pete.]

Kieran was an ageist bore whereas Harriet was a confident, strong woman so it was obvious who the mob would be behind

[bots]

Black men have it easier than black women.

For example, Adjoa was evicted and booed and jeered heavily by the crowd for doing nothing wrong at all. A week later, Kieran is evicted in 4in4out, and gets the best reception out of the evictees that night (all women). Harriet (who he left the house with) was booed, but when Emma said his name, he was cheered.

I think sexism also comes into the equation as well as covert racism.

Kieran came across as a nice guy, i was supporting him. The other women that got evicted that night, and Adjoa before them, were not particularly nice

[Jason.]

Kieran came across as a nice guy, i was supporting him. The other women that got evicted that night, and Adjoa before them, were not particularly nice

How was Adjoa not particularly nice?

I don't recall her being horrible to anyone. I can understand Sarah, Harriet, and the Twins having that description, because they were often argumentative. But Adjoa wasn't like that at all/

[Calderyon]

No, i don´t think so. If that was the case, Sam would have been evicted by the public, not the housemates.

[Jason.]

Kieran was an ageist bore whereas Harriet was a confident, strong woman so it was obvious who the mob would be behind

.

[Jason.]

Sam was booed though, for not doing anything wrong at all. Even Helen's winners reception last year was better than Sam's reception.

[Pete.]

Kieran came across as a nice guy, i was supporting him. The other women that got evicted that night, and Adjoa before them, were not particularly nice
Adjoa was vile of course

[bots]

How was Adjoa not particularly nice?

I don't recall her being horrible to anyone. I can understand Sarah, Harriet, and the Twins having that description, because they were often argumentative. But Adjoa wasn't like that at all/

She was a right sour so and so to me. Granted, i disliked Harriet, the twins and Sarah more, but the bar was set pretty low all round this year. Interestingly, another one I liked was Eileen, and she got a great reception. So if I reflect the norm, I was pretty much in line with the crowd - although I wouldn't have booed or shouted nasty comments at the contestants

[EspeonBB]

I think it says a lot that the public found Deana and Gina too controversial to win and both got accused of being nasty towards the end of the series, yet they were happy enough to give Helen the win.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Yes.

[Pete.]

I just remembered the mob mercilessly booed Pauline's black son smh

[Marsh.]

And was then slaughtered and evicted ASAP

For being a twat.

If she was hated because of racism she'd have never been popular to begin with. :hee:

Unless you're suggesting it took 5 days for the viewers to realise her skin colour? :smug:

[armand.kay]

not pete starting both of tibb biggest race rows.

[Marsh.]

not pete starting both of tibb biggest race rows.

Peteney living for the race dramz

[armand.kay]

For being a twat.

If she was hated because of racism she'd have never been popular to begin with. :hee:

Unless you're suggesting it took 5 days for the viewers to realise her skin colour? :smug:

i think because of the aggressive black woman stereotype they need to be sweet as pie otherwise they are seen as aggressive.

[armand.kay]

oop i thought you were talking about shieve not mutha p

[Marsh.]

i think because of the aggressive black woman stereotype they need to be sweet as pie otherwise they are seen as aggressive.

I don't see how this theory applies to Pauline. Anyone could see how much of an absolute twat she was and her treatment of Jale was disgusting.

That had nothing to do with any "aggression" and everything to do with her being controlling of the house.

[Marsh.]

oop i thought you were talking about shieve not mutha p

Oh :hee:

[Marsh.]

As if I'm going to remember much about someone as irrelevant as Shievonne. :smug:

[armand.kay]

As if I'm going to remember much about someone as irrelevant as Shievonne. :smug:

yeah i agree its hard to remember anyone from bb13 other that beauty queen deana x