Scotland will "Not" Get High Speed Rail

[arista]

They have Failed to make a Business case.


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Sign Of The Times

[kirklancaster]

They have Failed to make a Business case.


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Sign Of The Times

Sensible bloody decision.

[Toy Soldier]

The entire thing is a horrendous waste of money.

[arista]

The entire thing is a horrendous waste of money.


Never mind that
its going on to be built

Some places have done pre work set ups

[joeysteele]

The entire thing is a horrendous waste of money.

It is,it needed looking at again, too late now.

[Ross.]

If the SNP used this as an excuse to get independence. :laugh:

[kirklancaster]

Me. T.S. AND Joey in TOTAL agreement. Swoon. :hehe:

[Kizzy]

Something else the tories lied about?.... :idc:

[arista]

Something else the tories lied about?.... :idc:


Wrong
on the condition it
was Business Viable


Ask why they failed?

[Kizzy]

You would have thought that was explored well before they proposed it wouldn't you?... pffft

[arista]

If the SNP used this as an excuse to get independence. :laugh:


No not this term

My mate David has done a Great Deal
with the Scottish Queen

[arista]

You would have thought that was explored well before they proposed it wouldn't you?... pffft


pffft

to you Lady

[Kizzy]

I wasn't pfffting at you.

[Scarlett.]

No not this term

My mate David has done a Great Deal
with the Scottish Queen

Lorraine Kelly?

[arista]

I wasn't pfffting at you.


OK sorry

[arista]

Lorraine Kelly?


No Chewy


The leader Queen of the SNP
who Killed loads of Labour MP's
if I ever meet her , I will thank her.


Death To Labour
is Utter Bliss

[joeysteele]

Me. T.S. AND Joey in TOTAL agreement. Swoon. :hehe:

:joker: Always good to see Kirk.

Really strongly held views one way or another shouldn't always sacrifice the times of any certain agreement.

[Scarlett.]

No Chewy


The leader Queen of the SNP
who Killed loads of Labour MP's
if I ever meet her , I will thank her.


Death To Labour
is Utter Bliss

So she's like a Game of Thrones-y type mass murdering Queen?

[the truth]

Something else the tories lied about?.... :idc:

you mean like your party new labour lying about the dodgy dossier that killed over a million innocent people? are you upset about that lie too?

[arista]

So she's like a Game of Thrones-y type mass murdering Queen?


In a Good Way
Yes

[Kizzy]

you mean like your party new labour lying about the dodgy dossier that killed over a million innocent people? are you upset about that lie too?

Stop directing all your posts at me please, I have no idea what dossier you are referring to, why not comment on the thread topic?

[the truth]

Stop directing all your posts at me please, I have no idea what dossier you are referring to, why not comment on the thread topic?

don't lie. everyone knows about the dodgy dossier new labour invented as an excuse to bomb Iraq and invade the middle east....everyone...its the biggets lie in british history and lead to the deaths of over 1 million innocent Iraqis
educate yourself http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_Dossier

you were angry about a small tory lie....well how about this mother fo all lies from your new labour party of warmongers?

"Iraq – Its Infrastructure of Concealment, Deception and Intimidation[1] (more commonly known as the Dodgy Dossier, the Iraq Dossier or the February Dossier) [2]) was a 2003 briefing document for the British Prime Minister Tony Blair's Labour Party government. It was issued to journalists on 3 February 2003 by Alastair Campbell, Blair's Director of Communications and Strategy, and concerned Iraq and weapons of mass destruction. Together with the earlier September dossier, these documents were ultimately used by the government to justify its involvement in the 2003 invasion of Iraq.

[Toy Soldier]

No one would argue that the Iraq dossier wasn't a massive lie... However... if you believe that the UK wasn't going to war in Iraq no matter what then I think you underestimate the political forces that we surrounded that conflict. Labour, Tory, doesn't matter which party was in power... Iraq was happening and they would have found ways to justify it.

[joeysteele]

No one would argue that the Iraq dossier wasn't a massive lie... However... if you believe that the UK wasn't going to war in Iraq no matter what then I think you underestimate the political forces that we surrounded that conflict. Labour, Tory, doesn't matter which party was in power... Iraq was happening and they would have found ways to justify it.

It would indeed TS,it is incredible that anyone could even not think that way.
All strong and true points.

(Oops.before I end that bit,I would have been against the Iraq invasion by any govt. anyway,just in case I get,I am just a new Labourite supporting Tony Blair).

What Iraq has to do with a thread about HS2,is beyond me however.

[Kizzy]

All parties agreed with that war and as said it was going to happen whoever was in power.
Maybe now we can get back on topic.

[arista]

"All parties agreed with that war"

How Dear You Get It Wrong Kizzy

Lib Dems said No to the Illegal War
and Ken Livingston

[joeysteele]

"All parties agreed with that war"

How Dear You Get It Wrong Kizzy

Lib Dems said No to the Illegal War
and Ken Livingston

Ken Livingston is not a party.

[arista]

Ken Livingston is not a party.

At that time he Was
as the Labour kicked him out


He was Mayor of London

[joeysteele]

At that time he Was
as the Labour kicked him out


He was Mayor of London

That isn't with respect however,being an MP in Parliament or of another party either.
He was an Independent,who as the name suggests are 'independent' of parties.

[arista]

Yes so I was right to add him with the LibDems

[joeysteele]

Yes so I was right to add him with the LibDems

You lost me there,he still wasn't a party.:joker:
He was just one individual and didn't have a vote on the issue in Parliament.

[Kizzy]

Ok make that the conservatives agreed then.

[arista]

You lost me there,he still wasn't a party.:joker:
He was just one individual and didn't have a vote on the issue in Parliament.


Yes Joey as Mayor
people sent him money
as he was against the FECKING IRAQ NEW LABOUR WAR


You are not lost

[Vicky.]

Its a giant waste of money anyway.

However I am finding it amusing thinking of Sturgeon pretty much having a coronary over this :laugh:

[arista]

Its a giant waste of money anyway.

However I am finding it amusing thinking of Sturgeon pretty much having a coronary over this :laugh:


Yes Vicky but it is getting ready to be built
no one can stop it now


It was first a New Labour idea

[Vicky.]

Of course it could be stopped :laugh:

I don't care whos idea it was..its still a massive waste of money and ridiculous to be even considering let alone pushing ahead with whilst the country is apparently on its knees...

[arista]

Of course it could be stopped :laugh:

I don't care whos idea it was..its still a massive waste of money and ridiculous to be even considering let alone pushing ahead with whilst the country is apparently on its knees...


No Vicky
loads of Workman are being contracted
even near you
are you going to Sack them?



It matters that it was a New Labour Plan
as that meant both Conservative and Labour
back it

[joeysteele]

Of course it could be stopped :laugh:

I don't care whos idea it was..its still a massive waste of money and ridiculous to be even considering let alone pushing ahead with whilst the country is apparently on its knees...

Definitely,I agree.

When first an idea, the economics of the UK were very different.
As you point out now, things are much tighter now and things should be re-assessed as to cost at such times.

[Vicky.]

Yes I would 'sack' them (does it count as being sacked if you haven't started yet?) while there is apparently not enough money to keep paying carers allowance but there is billions to waste on this...its a ****ing disgrace. 12bn of cuts, including changing the carers allowance rules to chuck a few people off..TAXING dla and stuff. Its disgusting.

Going off on a tangent a bit here but yeah. I don't get why we waste so much when we are apparently too skint to do anything...

[Kizzy]

I bet nobody will be able to afford to use it, I thought the chunnel would be an ace idea and unless you live down south it's cheaper to fly.

[arista]

Yes I would 'sack' them (does it count as being sacked if you haven't started yet?) while there is apparently not enough money to keep paying carers allowance but there is billions to waste on this...its a ****ing disgrace. 12bn of cuts, including changing the carers allowance rules to chuck a few people off..TAXING dla and stuff. Its disgusting.

Going off on a tangent a bit here but yeah. I don't get why we waste so much when we are apparently too skint to do anything...


Yes it does Count on Massive Contracts (you must be ready to go at a text call)
thats how it works
I say send all the [Vicky] Sacked Workers to her garden

[arista]

I bet nobody will be able to afford to use it, I thought the chunnel would be an ace idea and unless you live down south it's cheaper to fly.


You are wrong
loads of Workers will be using it.


There will be special deals.

[Vicky.]

I say send all the [Vicky] Sacked Workers to her garden

Thats fine. I will pay them a living wage to sort my garden out actually. Need decking put down, and grass, and wanting some gravelly stuff put there too to make it look nice.

Will only be a few hours work though sadly :laugh:

[arista]

Vicky you have a Attitude


Shocking

[joeysteele]

Thats fine. I will pay them a living wage to sort my garden out actually. Need decking put down, and grass, and wanting some gravelly stuff put there too to make it look nice.

Will only be a few hours work though sadly :laugh:

:joker: I love that response.

[the truth]

yet again I find myself envying the jocks....they'll save billions from escaping this national multi billion scam...they've also merged the social services care with the nhs trust care saving millions and vastly improving the care for the sick...bravo Scotland...England is trialling it already up north...its the ONLY way forward...so care will be sorted for people at home, money to pay carers and help towards public sector jobs and wages...they'll have all this now, we wont...but.how will they ever cope having to take an extra 30 minutes to get to London by train? in the national list of priorities that doesn't even get in the top 1 million

[bots]

Have to say, in this instance no business case has to be the lamest excuse ever given the research that would have been put into it in the first place. Would be nice if they actually spelt out the real reason, they can't afford it.

[Cherie]

Its a giant waste of money anyway.

However I am finding it amusing thinking of Sturgeon pretty much having a coronary over this :laugh:

:laugh:

[Z]

For me to get from Glasgow to Liverpool to see my OH, I currently have to go via National Express coach to Manchester, then the train through to Liverpool which takes around 6 hours. I'd quite like an inexpensive direct rail link to Liverpool but such a thing doesn't exist.

[arista]

For me to get from Glasgow to Liverpool to see my OH, I currently have to go via National Express coach to Manchester, then the train through to Liverpool which takes around 6 hours. I'd quite like an inexpensive direct rail link to Liverpool but such a thing doesn't exist.


May do in years to come
once Scotland does a better Business Plan

[the truth]

For me to get from Glasgow to Liverpool to see my OH, I currently have to go via National Express coach to Manchester, then the train through to Liverpool which takes around 6 hours. I'd quite like an inexpensive direct rail link to Liverpool but such a thing doesn't exist.

I do think theyre building extra lines,, just faster electric trains with a few extra carriages....a pathetic return for £60,000,000,000