Malaysia : British Girl arrested for doing a Naked Selfie on Sacred Mountain

[arista]

http://news.sky.com/story/1499949/arrested-girl-upset-and-scared-over-nude-pics

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2015/6/10/398097/default/v4/11428009-10155630731050290-6549002081524701620-n-1-480x360.jpg

[A few days later, a 5.9-magnitude
earthquake struck nearby and
killed 18 climbers – prompting
one of Malaysia's most senior
politicians to say that the
tourists' behaviour was to blame.]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/06/10/17/2960A43000000578-3117940-Photos_showing_the_tourists_stripping_at_the_Unesc o_World_Herita-a-1_1433954890177.jpg


http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/06/10/19/2983B19B00000578-3117940-image-a-1_1433962385821.jpg
[Miss Hawkins (centre) is currently studying for a Masters
in aeronautics and aerospace engineering at the University of Southampton]

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3117940/British-woman-four-tourists-arrested-stripping-naked-mountain-Malaysia-locals-say-angered-tribal-spirits-caused-deadly-earthquake.html#ixzz3cjPEWEZZ


You are well Educated
yet you have No care or Respect for that Nations way of life


I say Lock her Up
set a Solid example





Tibb's Ben who has Traveled to Asia
understands this

[user104658]

Oh yes. Let's start locking kids up because people are superstitious. Next step: hanging people for putting an umbrella up indoors.

[Cherie]

Oh yes. Let's start locking kids up because people are superstitious. Next step: hanging people for putting an umbrella up indoors.

People never stop banging on about people coming here and respecting our traditions, should we not show the same respect abroad even if we don't believe in it? This would be the equivalent of stripping off in Westminster abbey :idc:

[user104658]

People never stop banging on about people coming here and respecting our traditions, should we not show the same respect abroad even if we don't believe in it? This would be the equivalent of stripping off in Westminster abbey :idc:
No it wouldn't, in Westminster abbey there would probably be other people around which would make it public indecency. If someone stripped off in Westminster abbey when no one was around other than their friends, it shouldn't be any sort of a problem at all. On a personal note, I would be quite pleased if the entire world showed up to strip down and defecate on Westminster abbey's doorstep, but that's another thread for another day.

The mountain isn't "sacred", they sure as **** didn't cause an earthquake, and whilst yes it's arrogant and immature to go travelling and act like idiots (which they were) there's a pretty massive chasm between that and it actually being illegal. Send them home, ban them from the country, whatever. Don't lock them up Ffs. I can see this going really badly and some backwater idiot hurting or killing one of them for angering the mountain gods.

[user104658]

On another hilarious note, apparently the stripping naked occurred weeks ago but the earthquake only happened after the pictures appeared on social media. Who knew that sacred mountain earthquake gods were on facebook?

[Cherie]

No it wouldn't, in Westminster abbey there would probably be other people around which would make it public indecency. If someone stripped off in Westminster abbey when no one was around other than the it friends, it shouldn't be any sort of a problem at all. On a personal note, I would be quite pleased if the entire world showed up to strip down and defecate on Westminster abbey's doorstep, but that's another thread for another day.

The mountain isn't "sacred", they sure as **** didn't cause an earthquake, and whilst yes it's arrogant and immature to go travelling and act like idiots (which they were) there's a pretty massive chasm between that and it actually being illegal. Send them home, ban them from the country, whatever. Don't lock them up Ffs. I can see this going really badly and some backwater idiot hurting or killing one of them for angering the mountain gods.

On another hilarious note, apparently the stripping naked occurred weeks ago but the earthquake only happened after the pictures appeared on social media. Who knew that sacred mountain earthquake gods were on facebook?



Obviously it didn't cause the earthquake no one is suggesting that, but my point still stands about respect. If it emerged someone stripped in the Abbey there would be public outrage make no mistake :idc: I doubt very much they will be detained for long at any rate

[user104658]

Like I said, I agree that it's arrogant and immature but the appropriate response would be to ban them from returning to the country, surely. Not to pander to local superstitions (the politicians doing this should be locked up IMO, I don't believe for a second that the people in power there actually believe any of the mountain god twaddle) by suggesting that they are responsible for deaths. Like I said, I can easily see this going horribly and one of them being hurt or worse by some superstitious vigilante.

[Livia]

If you can't respect other people's customs and traditions you have no right having a passport. To say I'm entitled because I think your religion is bullsh1t is ignorant. Go and enjoy other cultures, go and see the world, but don't impose your drunkenness and your nakedness on other people because you feel you can.

[arista]

Oh yes. Let's start locking kids up because people are superstitious. Next step: hanging people for putting an umbrella up indoors.


No TS

Respect the nations Rules

A Guide said do not dot

So that High Educated Lady
is Guilty
Lock her away
that will be a Sharp Education



Sign Of The Times

[user104658]

If you can't respect other people's customs and traditions you have no right having a passport. To say I'm entitled because I think your religion is bullsh1t is ignorant. Go and enjoy other cultures, go and see the world, but don't impose your drunkenness and your nakedness on other people because you feel you can.
Like I said, send them home, ban them from the country. That would be appropriate. Locking naive young people up and potentially endangering them by suggesting that they have effectively committed manslaughter, because they angered fictional mountain deities, is absolutely not the appropriate response.

[Vanessa]

Why would you want to get naked on a mountain? :facepalm:

[arista]

Why would you want to get naked on a mountain? :facepalm:


Ultimate Selfie
on top of the world
She was part of a group
rushing to leave the country - but that got her.
some of them are on the run


She his Highly Educated
warned not to do it.

Lock her away
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/06/10/18/29833A5600000578-3117940-image-a-17_1433958620166.jpg
Photo of her in England

[Niamh.]

If you can't respect other people's customs and traditions you have no right having a passport. To say I'm entitled because I think your religion is bullsh1t is ignorant. Go and enjoy other cultures, go and see the world, but don't impose your drunkenness and your nakedness on other people because you feel you can.

:laugh2: This made me laugh alot, i don't know why

[Tom4784]

I agree with Girth, Ban them from the country but a prison sentence is dumb, especially when the only reason this story got traction is because of some moron politician decided to scapegoat them for an earthquake.

[arista]

I agree with Girth, Ban them from the country but a prison sentence is dumb, especially when the only reason this story got traction is because of some moron politician decided to scapegoat them for an earthquake.


No Dezzy it sets a Benchmark
forever more

[Niamh.]

Ultimate Selfie
on top of the world
She was part of a group
rushing to leave the country - but that got her.
some of them are on the run


She his Highly Educated
warned not to do it.

Lock her away
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/06/10/18/29833A5600000578-3117940-image-a-17_1433958620166.jpg
Photo of her in England

Showing off her kebab

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/06/10/17/2983565200000578-3117940-image-m-31_1433953370351.jpg
After her arrest

She was rushing to Escape
they caught her


Lock Her Away
Thats Great Education

[MTVN]

I think it's hard for us - as a secular country which is generally religiously apathetic these days - to appreciate the depth of feeling that could be had over this incident. Jail would not seem inappropriate to a lot of the local population for completely disrespecting one of their most sacred spots where spirits are supposed to go to rest. Part of the appeal of visiting places like this is surely the longevity and resilience of local customs and beliefs - don't be surprised if those then turn against you if you show no respect for them. Mind you even though we are less religious I still would expect a fair amount of outrage if - like Cherie said - someone did this on Westminster Abbey or if someone did it in a graveyard. Respecting the dead is pretty universal. And as for blaming it for the earthquake, well we have had councillors in this country claim that storms and floods should be blamed on gay people..

[Kazanne]

If you can't respect other people's customs and traditions you have no right having a passport. To say I'm entitled because I think your religion is bullsh1t is ignorant. Go and enjoy other cultures, go and see the world, but don't impose your drunkenness and your nakedness on other people because you feel you can.

:clap1::clap1:

[armand.kay]

Surely people are cautioned about these things before traveling to country's like this?

[user104658]

I think it's hard for us - as a secular country which is generally religiously apathetic these days - to appreciate the depth of feeling that could be had over this incident. Jail would not seem inappropriate to a lot of the local population for completely disrespecting one of their most sacred spots where spirits are supposed to go to rest. Part of the appeal of visiting places like this is surely the longevity and resilience of local customs and beliefs - don't be surprised if those then turn against you if you show no respect for them. Mind you even though we are less religious I still would expect a fair amount of outrage if - like Cherie said - someone did this on Westminster Abbey or if someone did it in a graveyard. Respecting the dead is pretty universal. And as for blaming it for the earthquake, well we have had councillors in this country claim that storms and floods should be blamed on gay people..

Frankly... if a group of foreign students came here and got naked in a graveyard, then were accused of causing a natural disaster and put in prison, I would be ****ing horrified.

[Cherie]

Surely people are cautioned about these things before traveling to country's like this?

Pretty sure they knew what mountain they were on :laugh: put it liike this they wouldn't have pulled this stunt in the Middle East

[user104658]

Again though it seems like people can't separate a feeling of "that was stupid / that is wrong" and "PUT THEM IN JAIL!!11!1!".

No one is arguing that it was a good idea or that they aren't idiots. No one is arguing against the fact that they disrespected local culture and it's wrong to do so, or that they would be quite justified in saying "please never darken our doorstep again". All of that is totally valid. They're a bunch of young people who did something stupid, arrogant and naive and I could even bring myself to agree with Livia that when they get home, they should have their passports locked away until they can be trusted not to be twats.

All fine.

Jailing them for angering fairies and invoking the wrath of some non-existant yet apparently exceptionally moody bastard god... essentially accusing them of being guilty of causing a number of deaths... is not fine. It's ****ing nonsense, and just because it's in a country that still widely believes in said ****ing nonsense, does not make it acceptable.

[arista]

Their Lawyer
has said the Police must not put them
in cells near the locals as they are Angry.

6 more are still on the run

[user104658]

Their Lawyer
has said the Police must not put them
in cells near the locals as they are Angry.

6 more are still on the run

See, this is my fear. Some bumpkin attempting to harm them because they angered The Balrog.

Hope the 6 others make it out of the country and back to sanity.

[MTVN]

Frankly... if a group of foreign students came here and got naked in a graveyard, then were accused of causing a natural disaster and put in prison, I would be ****ing horrified.

But they're not in jail on the charges of 'causing a natural disaster', the charges are obscenity, and you can be charged for pretty similar in the UK

The fact that some people do think the two things are linked - well shock horror, not everyone thinks as most Westerners do, different cultures have different belief systms, it doesn't do much good taking an attitude of 'those silly little tribal people should get over themselves'. If you're not comfortable with a belief that - though alien to us - is deeply held and embedded in their society then there's not much point in visiting in the first place. And if it does result in their jailing then there is not much point in our finger wagging and tutting. Politely requesting that they are met with clemency fine; demanding their release shouting that it's based on nothing more than 'fairies' and 'nonsense' - not so fine

[user104658]

It IS based on fairies and nonsense though, and of course there's a point in visiting the place. The world is stunning. It's stunning with or without stupid people and their backwards beliefs. To reiterate, again, what they did was stupid. It is not stupid enough to warrant being locked up or having their safety threatened. Anywhere.

[MTVN]

I don't think you are cut out for international diplomacy TS :inamood:

The world is stunning I agree but there is more to appreciate than its geography and architecture

[arista]

It IS based on fairies and nonsense though, and of course there's a point in visiting the place. The world is stunning. It's stunning with or without stupid people and their backwards beliefs. To reiterate, again, what they did was stupid. It is not stupid enough to warrant being locked up or having their safety threatened. Anywhere.


Getting locked up for 3 months
is good
Others want them Hanged


Respect Every Nation you enter TS

[user104658]

I don't think you are cut out for international diplomacy TS :inamood:

The world is stunning I agree but there is more to appreciate than its geography and architecture
I appreciate what you're saying about what helps them (being humble etc. Etc.) and if I was a lawyer or diplomat representing them I might employ a different tactic, feign acceptance of their juvenile beliefs, and what not.

However I am neither of those things and I doubt (though can't be sure I suppose) that the Malaysian authorities aren't on TiBB. They probably think that the Internet is the work of Abaddon and that browsing forums may cause a terrible hurricane the likes of which has never before been witnessed.

[smudgie]

Silly beggars.

People do stupid and disrespectful things, well then they have to be prepared for the consequences.
I am not saying lock them up, but that is up to the law of that land I suppose.
Perhaps a public apology showing some genuine remorse and then a lifetime ban from the country would do the job.:shrug:
Depends how deep the feelings go for the Malaysian people and how offended they are.

[Kizzy]

People never stop banging on about people coming here and respecting our traditions, should we not show the same respect abroad even if we don't believe in it? This would be the equivalent of stripping off in Westminster abbey :idc:

Someone owns Westminster abbey, as far as I know nobody owns a mountain.

[Amy Jade]

Yes her being naked caused an earthquake. We all have different cultures it seems put apparently politicians being lying ***** is a universal thing.

[Kizzy]

Give them their buffalo and that's that, this time next year it will just be interesting dinner party conversation.

[arista]

Someone owns Westminster abbey, as far as I know nobody owns a mountain.


The locals say the Gods own it.


She is Well Educated


Lock Her Up
It will do her good

[Mokka]

Canadian siblings, twins, from near where I live, are also being prevented from leaving the country and may still be charged...

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/world/canadian-sisters-who-allegedly-posed-naked-on-mount-kinabalu-barred-from-leaving-malaysia

[Kizzy]

The locals say the Gods own it.


She is Well Educated


Lock Her Up
It will do her good

Well they don't, it's just people laying claim to things and imposing rules in the name of religion again.
Locking up innocent people does no good.

[Jack_]

People should be able to get naked wherever they want (with very few exceptions) so long as they aren't harassing any other person without their consent in the process.

Regardless, I'm with Toy Soldier, arresting them for this is utterly ridiculous.

[Cherie]

Someone owns Westminster abbey, as far as I know nobody owns a mountain.

Not really the point, its about respecting cultures regardless of who owns what

[Livia]

Like I said, send them home, ban them from the country. That would be appropriate. Locking naive young people up and potentially endangering them by suggesting that they have effectively committed manslaughter, because they angered fictional mountain deities, is absolutely not the appropriate response.

Young people travelling to far-flung places need to be a little more grown up and aware of their surroundings Everywhere is not Ibiza. In some places you have to behave a certain way - your actual life may depend on it. And really, if that's not understood they should stay at home. And ridiculing people's religious beliefs because you think it's a bit silly will cut no ice in a prison cell, and don't bother calling the embassy to dig you out because they won't help you.

[arista]

Well they don't, it's just people laying claim to things and imposing rules in the name of religion again.
Locking up innocent people does no good.


No Kizzy
Why do YOU
not get it


Respect the Nations Laws
or you are Stupid
with Respect


She was warned by the Guide "Not To Go Naked"
but she ignored him.
So Lock That Bitch Up

[Crimson Dynamo]

Whilst I agree that when in Rome etc I heard that the fuss is more about politics in that part of the world than fuss, if that makes sense.

The locals should be rounded up and told about plate tectonics. thick twats

[Livia]

People should be able to get naked wherever they want (with very few exceptions) so long as they aren't harassing any other person without their consent in the process.

Regardless, I'm with Toy Soldier, arresting them for this is utterly ridiculous.

I feel sure this young woman wouldn't have got her kit off in Mecca or in Medina. Have some respect for other cultures or stay at home.

[arista]

People should be able to get naked wherever they want (with very few exceptions) so long as they aren't harassing any other person without their consent in the process.

Regardless, I'm with Toy Soldier, arresting them for this is utterly ridiculous.


Dumb
Its against their Laws

[Jack_]

Dumb
Its against their Laws

And? It's against our laws too, doesn't mean it's not a stupid law

[arista]

And? It's against our laws too, doesn't mean it's not a stupid law


Yes the Naked Rambler of England is in Jail.


Its Normal


What Planet are you on?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Harry from Big Brother will have caused quite a few earthquakes

will she never learn?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Actually I noticed a big crack in Sams bed last night....


:worry:

[user104658]

Young people travelling to far-flung places need to be a little more grown up and aware of their surroundings Everywhere is not Ibiza. In some places you have to behave a certain way - your actual life may depend on it. And really, if that's not understood they should stay at home. And ridiculing people's religious beliefs because you think it's a bit silly will cut no ice in a prison cell, and don't bother calling the embassy to dig you out because they won't help you.
Yes I accept that all of this is accurate, however, that doesn't make it right nor stop it from being utterly ludicrous. I have always been and will always be of the opinion that stupid things are not made any less stupid by the mere fact of being believed by lots of people.

[Livia]

Yes I accept that all of this is accurate, however, that doesn't make it right nor stop it from being utterly ludicrous. I have always been and will always be of the opinion that stupid things are not made any less stupid by the mere fact of being believed by lots of people.

Unless it's something that you yourself believe in, of course. Then everyone else must accept it as right even if they think it's stupid. If hundreds of thousands of people believe something and you think it's stupid, you don't have the right to override their feelings with yours.

People of other cultures have foibles, customs and idiosyncrasies and if you want to travel to their country and experience them, then be respectful of those people. If not, stay at home.

[user104658]

Unless it's something that you yourself believe in, of course. Then everyone else must accept it as right even if they think it's stupid. If hundreds of thousands of people believe something and you think it's stupid, you don't have the right to override their feelings with yours.

People of other cultures have foibles, customs and idiosyncrasies and if you want to travel to their country and experience them, then be respectful of those people. If not, stay at home.
Neh, I accept that people can have different beliefs but there surely has to be a line... And the idea that taking naked selfies can cause earthquakes leaves that line a speck in the distance. C'mon.

[Livia]

Neh, I accept that people can have different beliefs but there surely has to be a line... And the idea that taking naked selfies can cause earthquakes leaves that line a speck in the distance. C'mon.

I'm not asking you to believe it, I don't believe it myself. But if they believe it, hey, it's their country... and that girl is a guest.

[Vicky.]

Idiot. You have to respect peoples beliefs and way of life really when you visit their country. When I went to Tunisia is was sweltering hot but the day we ventured out of the resort to go to the markets I had to cover up as walking around in shorts and stuff is seen as really disrespectful :S

[user104658]

I'm not asking you to believe it, I don't believe it myself. But if they believe it, hey, it's their country... and that girl is a guest.
Right but if a guest disrespected my house I'd ask them to leave and not to come back! I wouldn't lock them in a room or try to harm them...

Hold on a minute... Last I heard, Kirk was headed for your house to check you were OK. I haven't seen him around for a while... D:

[Livia]

Right but if a guest disrespected my house I'd ask them to leave and not to come back! I wouldn't lock them in a room or try to harm them...

Hold on a minute... Last I heard, Kirk was headed for your house to check you were OK. I haven't seen him around for a while... D:

He's in my cellar. He's fine. Don't worry about him....

[user104658]

He's in my cellar. He's fine. Don't worry about him....
Are you aging him like wine?

[Livia]

Are you aging him like wine?

Kind of... I've hung him like venison. He likes it.

[JoshBB]

Like, fully naked? Honestly you can't expect not to get in trouble... I don't agree with this whole 'always abide by the countrys rules' principle though, especially if the government is corrupt/fascist eg. in Nazi Germany.

[user104658]

Kind of... I've hung him like venison. He likes it.
How much is he paying for this?

[Livia]

How much is he paying for this?

I don't discuss money on the Internet TS. PM me if you want a quote.

[Mokka]

Livia's "Cellar" :joker::joker:

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/7a/c0/70/7ac07001c4a95962c6681132dd7dbec3.jpg

[user104658]

Livia's "Cellar" :joker::joker:

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/7a/c0/70/7ac07001c4a95962c6681132dd7dbec3.jpg
Too garish... Also, is that carpet? Livia's cellar is Dark. So, so dark. And a cold stone floor; cold as the week old corpse in the corner.

[arista]

The Group also Pissed all over the mountain
No respect.

The Police Boss on Ch4HDNews
just said he will Catch the other 6 who also went naked.

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/06/10/17/2983565200000578-3117940-image-m-31_1433953370351.jpg
Get In Jail

You know your are Guilty of this Crime
as you rushed to the Airport - like a Fool
trying to escape.


No mercy for You

[Ammi]

...just silly and disrespectful but I'm sure that she'll be very respectful of different cultures in the future when she's travelling, probably saying that more religion/culture should be taught in schools, not less of it..(I'm joking TS..)...


...anyway, I thought a large part of things like Buddhism are forgiveness, kindness, compassion, joy and calm/balance so maybe those could be applied to her as well with this...

[arista]

...just silly and disrespectful but I'm sure that she'll be very respectful of different cultures in the future when she's travelling, probably saying that more religion/culture should be taught in schools, not less of it..(I'm joking TS..)...


...anyway, I thought a large part of things like Buddhism are forgiveness, kindness, compassion, joy and calm/balance so maybe those could be applied to her as well with this...


No Ammi
its a Muslim Nation

[Will.]

Aaron Frew teas

[Ammi]

No Ammi
its a Muslim Nation

..it's not all Muslim Arista, Buddhism is the second largest religion there and multi-culture is very much promoted there as well, especially with young people.. she was dumb most certainly for doing what she did..and maybe through 'ignorance'..?.. but I doubt she'll do anything like that again...anyway the earthquake has already happened, the Gods have spoken and putting her in prison won't change that so maybe a little 'Buddha Law' as well if they want to encourage people to visit their beautiful country...

[hijaxers]

Again though it seems like people can't separate a feeling of "that was stupid / that is wrong" and "PUT THEM IN JAIL!!11!1!".

No one is arguing that it was a good idea or that they aren't idiots. No one is arguing against the fact that they disrespected local culture and it's wrong to do so, or that they would be quite justified in saying "please never darken our doorstep again". All of that is totally valid. They're a bunch of young people who did something stupid, arrogant and naive and I could even bring myself to agree with Livia that when they get home, they should have their passports locked away until they can be trusted not to be twats.

All fine.

Jailing them for angering fairies and invoking the wrath of some non-existant yet apparently exceptionally moody bastard god... essentially accusing them of being guilty of causing a number of deaths... is not fine. It's ****ing nonsense, and just because it's in a country that still widely believes in said ****ing nonsense, does not make it acceptable.

Well apparently the guide they were with was telling them not to strip off and actually pleading with them not to - but being Tory kids they told him to go to hell - so they deserve everything they get - bastard spoiled rich kids with no morals or thought for other people. -Bunch of turds

[arista]

..it's not all Muslim Arista, Buddhism is the second largest religion there and multi-culture is very much promoted there as well, especially with young people.. she was dumb most certainly for doing what she did..and maybe through 'ignorance'..?.. but I doubt she'll do anything like that again...anyway the earthquake has already happened, the Gods have spoken and putting her in prison won't change that so maybe a little 'Buddha Law' as well if they want to encourage people to visit their beautiful country...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Malaysia

Sure Ammi
But its under Muslim Control

[Ammi]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Malaysia

...is this wiki wars..:laugh:...that's still almost 40% of the population who aren't plus a huge tourist industry of many religions...I'm not saying that it wasn't a disrespectful and dumb thing to do but I can't see any benefit or 'putting right' of it by putting her in prison...

[user104658]

..it's not all Muslim Arista, Buddhism is the second largest religion there and multi-culture is very much promoted there as well, especially with young people.. she was dumb most certainly for doing what she did..and maybe through 'ignorance'..?.. but I doubt she'll do anything like that again...anyway the earthquake has already happened, the Gods have spoken and putting her in prison won't change that so maybe a little 'Buddha Law' as well if they want to encourage people to visit their beautiful country...

That's a good point actually, too harsh a punishment for this will have a hige impact on tourism in the country, surely.

Also surprised this Mountain God lark has been allowed to go so public if it is indeed a country with a Muslim government and large Muslim population. Allah being the "One True God" is a pretty huge deal in Islam, and worshipping or putting stock in any false deity (for example, mountain gods...) is really not part of the deal.

[Kazanne]

I just don't see why she needed to do it anyway,does she have a short memory or something.

[MTVN]

That's a good point actually, too harsh a punishment for this will have a hige impact on tourism in the country, surely.

Also surprised this Mountain God lark has been allowed to go so public if it is indeed a country with a Muslim government and large Muslim population. Allah being the "One True God" is a pretty huge deal in Islam, and worshipping or putting stock in any false deity (for example, mountain gods...) is really not part of the deal.

Why would a Muslim country be incapable of having other faiths within it? Malaysia has always had a huge range of beliefs and that is particularly going to be the case in remote regions like this on Borneo

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/06/11/19/2988298800000578-3120488-The_group_undressed_at_the_top_of_Mount_Kinabalu_i n_an_act_which-a-5_1434048586714.jpg

[user104658]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/06/11/19/2988298800000578-3120488-The_group_undressed_at_the_top_of_Mount_Kinabalu_i n_an_act_which-a-5_1434048586714.jpg

Any with bewbz?

[empire]

why are women these days so obsessed, in getting naked.

[arista]

why are women these days so obsessed, in getting naked.

She is Highly Educated

[arista]

She was just Rushed into Court
The Police were in Swat type clothes.

Mark Stone (SkyNewsHD) the only Live Reporter
from the UK there Shouted "how are you"
but she was rushed fast
to stop any Locals attacking her.

[DemolitionRed]

When you travel to such places you need to use your common sense and the only way you can do that is by informing and understanding some of the odd customs and laws.

Taking half a dozen packets of chewing gum into Singapore can land you a year in jail and you could be landed with a hefty fine if you sipped some water from a bottle on any of there metro systems.

Its the same in Dubai or the United Arab Emirates. During Ramadan if you are caught eating within a public space you can be fined and even jailed.

Don't walk into any Eastern temple without covering your shoulders and if you have any visible tattoos that depict Buddhism, don't let anyone see those tattoos whilst in Sri Lanka www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-27107857

Accidentally walk onto someone else's land in many American states and you could be legally shot dead. 'Castle Law' permits land owners to shoot, maim or kill trespasses without any legal restraints.

If you accidentally drop your money in Thailand, whatever you do, don't step on it. stepping on the kings head is seen as sacrilege and could land you in jail.

Understand the customs and be a respectful traveller.

[MTVN]

When you travel to such places you need to use your common sense and the only way you can do that is by informing and understanding some of the odd customs and laws.

Taking half a dozen packets of chewing gum into Singapore can land you a year in jail and you could be landed with a hefty fine if you sipped some water from a bottle on any of there metro systems.

Its the same in Dubai or the United Arab Emirates. During Ramadan if you are caught eating within a public space you can be fined and even jailed.

Don't walk into any Eastern temple without covering your shoulders and if you have any visible tattoos that depict Buddhism, don't let anyone see those tattoos whilst in Sri Lanka www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-27107857

Accidentally walk onto someone else's land in many American states and you could be legally shot dead. 'Castle Law' permits land owners to shoot, maim or kill trespasses without any legal restraints.

If you accidentally drop your money in Thailand, whatever you do, don't step on it. stepping on the kings head is seen as sacrilege and could land you in jail.

Understand the customs and be a respectful traveller.

Just confirms what I've always thought that travelling is too hard work

Why the fine for drinking water on the metro though?

[Samuel.]

It's a silly mistake, that's it

I don't know how anybody can defend the idea of jailing her. To what benefit? This whole ordeal is probably fitting punishment as it is, and sure, ban her from coming back. Prison would achieve absolutely nothing.

Clearly a disrespectful act, but this attitude of "well, it's what they believe so it's right to them" is no defense for whatever punishment they end up handing out. Many countries have all sorts of horrific laws, and yes ideally you should be aware and follow them while in the country, but if they are to be broken it shouldn't mean whatever punishment is decided should be respected or defended simply because it's "what they believe".

[MTVN]

Thing is their beliefs aren't even that relevant really, that's a separate issue. They're being charged on public disturbance offences which basically every country in the world has. Someone got 16 months jail time in this country for swinging from a cenotaph. There was all sorts of outrage over the graffiti on the WWII monument and you can be sure that if they knew who did it they would be prosecuted as well. How well would it go down in America if you burnt the USA flag in public? But because this is a strange foreign country with weird beliefs it doesn't matter as much if you violate their most respected practices and locations?

[arista]

Lucky Bitch

3 days

And £1K fine

and Deported


Also the Dutch and Canada fools

[Kizzy]

They've been jailed for 3 days and fined :/

[DemolitionRed]

Just confirms what I've always thought that travelling is too hard work

Why the fine for drinking water on the metro though?

They have strict rules (I think its on all public transport) that you can't eat or drink anything whilst travelling. They do have signs up with the penalty charges.

I don't know why other than, they don't want you littering or spilling drink.

[Samuel.]

Thing is their beliefs aren't even that relevant really, that's a separate issue. They're being charged on public disturbance offences which basically every country in the world has. Someone got 16 months jail time in this country for swinging from a cenotaph. There was all sorts of outrage over the graffiti on the WWII monument and you can be sure that if they knew who did it they would be prosecuted as well. How well would it go down in America if you burnt the USA flag in public? But because this is a strange foreign country with weird beliefs it doesn't matter as much if you violate their most respected practices and locations?

Quite a stretch from what I was saying, perhaps I should have read more into it but it seemed to go further than public disturbance, when the blame for 18 earthquake-caused deaths were being aimed at the girl at least by a senior politician.

Though I don't even support prison sentences for the things you mention.

[Livia]

Maybe people should have to take an intelligence test before we let them loose in the world with a passport.

[MTVN]

Quite a stretch from what I was saying, perhaps I should have read more into it but it seemed to go further than public disturbance, when the blame for 18 earthquake-caused deaths were being aimed at the girl at least by a senior politician.

Though I don't even support prison sentences for the things you mention.

Admittedly I was being a bit polemical lol, but still the charge itself is relatively uncontroversial really. Tbh even if we do talk about their beliefs it's not that uncontroversial to claim that human wrongs provoke godly anger either. In the grand scheme of human history it wasn't that long ago that that was the commonly held belief in this country, it's not surprising that it prevails in some parts of the world particularly in more remote regions where indigenous religions still hold a lot of sway. All I'm saying is that to chastise them for that is as futile as it would have been to chastise our ancestors over it. If it is a problem then it is not one that can be confronted with mockery and insulting those faiths - they're deeply embedded in a lot of societies and won't die out overnight. You don't have to be pleased about that but if you are visiting those countries then you should show some acknowledgement of it.

[Kizzy]

Maybe people should have to take an intelligence test before we let them loose in the world with a passport.

Isn't a masters in aeronautical engineering enough :/

[user104658]

Maybe people should have to take an intelligence test before we let them loose in the world with a passport.

Maybe people should have an intelligence test before they're allowed into positions of authority that allow them to make up rules so mind-bogglingly stupid that they almost sound like parody...

[user104658]

Isn't a masters in aeronautical engineering enough :/

Yes, a bit more complex than a common-or-garden degree like Law one would imagine :hehe:.

Don't worry though Livia, Law is still a hop, skip and jump ahead of Psychology, so I'm not taking any sort of high ground :joker:.

[Livia]

Yes, a bit more complex than a common-or-garden degree like Law one would imagine :hehe:.

Don't worry though Livia, Law is still a hop, skip and jump ahead of Psychology, so I'm not taking any sort of high ground :joker:.



Sadly intelligence can't be taught, TS. Some of the stupidest people I know have degrees, some of them two or even three. As Sandy Toksvig said, Cambridge is full of people who can split the atom but can't wire a plug.

[user104658]

Sadly intelligence can't be taught, TS. Some of the stupidest people I know have degrees, some of them two or even three. As Sandy Toksvig said, Cambridge is full of people who can split the atom but can't wire a plug.
Very true, some of the cleverest people I know don't have a degree at all whereas I know plenty of stupid graduates in Law, Engineering of various descriptions... Anything you can think of really. Most worrying in my opinion is the number of straight-up idiotic Med students I encountered at Uni. I can only assume many of them are now stupid doctors.

[Livia]

Very true, some of the cleverest people I know don't have a degree at all whereas I know plenty of stupid graduates in Law, Engineering of various descriptions... Anything you can think of really. Most worrying in my opinion is the number of straight-up idiotic Med students I encountered at Uni. I can only assume many of them are now stupid doctors.

Scary, isn't it.

I don't believe you know any stupid lawyers.


I completely believe it.

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/06/12/15/29915B4A00000578-3121098-Covered_up_Eleanor_Hawkins_red_top_and_Canadian_na tional_Lindsey-m-38_1434117865997.jpg
You are so Lucky

3 months would have been far better
then you would never feck up again.

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/06/12/09/298F138B00000578-3121098-Safety_Hawkins_arrived_at_Kota_Kinabalu_Magistrate s_Court_in_a_c-m-6_1434098419138.jpg

Yes fella
good job you rushed her in
or the locals would have hit her more

[arista]

Topless Briton Arrives Back From Malaysia

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2015/6/13/398776/default/v3/3-1-762x428.jpg

http://news.sky.com/story/1501691/topless-briton-arrives-back-from-malaysia

She is now Home
as yet no interviews.


LWHD debated her (Friday) they did not like her
maybe she she should go on there
and let JSP nibble her

[Ammi]

Topless Briton Arrives Back From Malaysia

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2015/6/13/398776/default/v3/3-1-762x428.jpg

http://news.sky.com/story/1501691/topless-briton-arrives-back-from-malaysia

She is now Home
as yet no interviews.


LWHD debated her (Friday) they did not like her
maybe she she should go on there
and let JSP nibble her



..maybe she doesn't want to talk about it and just try to forget her ordeal/I don't know..?...but if that's the case then I hope that she's left alone now...there are probably 'foreigners' disrespecting the cultures of other countries just about every day..dumb I know but also wrong that she's had to face such a full force of it all on her own with this....

[arista]

..maybe she doesn't want to talk about it and just try to forget her ordeal/I don't know..?...but if that's the case then I hope that she's left alone now...there are probably 'foreigners' disrespecting the cultures of other countries just about every day..dumb I know but also wrong that she's had to face such a full force of it all on her own with this....


But Reporters are outside her home

Better to say something
and get rid of them

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/06/14/10/299BE5D400000578-3122953-Flanked_by_her_parents_outside_her_home_with_this_ morning_she_ad-m-14_1434274995766.jpg
Take it easy mother


http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/06/14/10/299BF44C00000578-3122953-image-a-29_1434275258586.jpg
Not Naked Now

[Kizzy]

One day she'll look back on this and laugh.

[Z]

Probably. Still think it's really unfunny to get naked on top of a mountain

[Livia]

She's probably sold her story "exclusively". If she has and makes money from this she should be made to donate the money to charity. Anyone who makes money from a story where they were found guilty should be made to give the money to charity.

[smudgie]

Hoping this is now tomorrow's fish and chip paper.
The authorities in Malaysia dealt with it very fairly in my opinion.

[Kizzy]

Probably. Still think it's really unfunny to get naked on top of a mountain

Do you? I think it's hilarious, think of the breeze whistling around the hole of your body...I mean the whole of your body :hehe: