Brian played and is now seen as some sort of victim.

[JamesBond]

It's funny how this aggressive instigator of all arguments is now viewed as some sort of victim.

He stepped up to the wrong girl and got his ass handed to him, get over it!

[Pete.]

Nothing can justify Helen's comments though

[Jack_]

He was a victim of bullying in the scene I have described. Anything else is pure fan fiction.

Thread over.

[LukeB]

He was a victim of bullying in the scene I have described. Anything else is pure fan fiction.

Thread over.

:worship:

[Vicky.]

Nothing can justify Helen's comments though

Of course not. But Helens comments also do not negate the days and days of Brian picking at Helen/Marc often for little or no reason :laugh: He instigated every argument, bar the last one then tried to play victim :D

[Livia]

I think most of the time Brian was sticking up for someone else, rather than just instigating an argument for no reason. I don't think he's bright enough to instigate arguments simply to draw attention to himself. And whatever he did, he didn't deserve to be likened to a murderer and a rapist, that was low, even for Helen and she should have been ejected following those remarks. She'd already got away with calling someone who wasn't there to defend themself, a coke head. On the bright side, she's gone now and hopefully I will never have to look at her plastic face or hear her droning voice ever again.

[JamesBond]

He was a victim of bullying in the scene I have described. Anything else is pure fan fiction.

Thread over.

Who are you to tell me my thread is over ? LOL

[LukeB]

I think most of the time Brian was sticking up for someone else, rather than just instigating an argument for no reason. I don't think he's bright enough to instigate arguments simply to draw attention to himself. And whatever he did, he didn't deserve to be likened to a murderer and a rapist, that was low, even for Helen and she should have been ejected following those remarks. She'd already got away with calling someone who wasn't there to defend themself, a coke head. On the bright side, she's gone now and hopefully I will never have to look at her plastic face or hear her droning voice ever again.

:worship:

[Jack_]

Who are you to tell me my thread is over ? LOL

Someone who deals with facts not fiction :clap1:

[chuff me dizzy]

It's funny how this aggressive instigator of all arguments is now viewed as some sort of victim.

He stepped up to the wrong girl and got his ass handed to him, get over it!

Exactly what happened

[spot_on]

He was a victim of bullying in the scene I have described. Anything else is pure fan fiction.

Thread over.

There's that word "bullying" again being thrown in there to create some type of false victim. Brian was not bullied. He was the instigator in almost every argument with Helen. We have two grown adults, both previous winners of BB, and you are saying one of them was "bullied". lol, give me a break.

Actually, it was not his fights with Helen and climbing over the wall with his tail between his legs that makes me dislike this guy now (I used to be a big fan). It was how after every nomination he cowardly said that it was not his idea, it was those other people who chose them. First thing he did after they were announced was to run up to the person and said "it wasn't me" in his best Shaggy voice. pathetic.

[JamesBond]

Someone who deals with facts not fiction :clap1:

Didn't really answer the question did you ?

So much for dealing with facts.

[rionablue]

It's funny how this aggressive instigator of all arguments is now viewed as some sort of victim.

He stepped up to the wrong girl and got his ass handed to him, get over it!

Sorry I don't agree. Helen overstepped the line with Brian by saying those dreadful things. And her weak hearted apology (after much goading by Rylan) cannot undo what she has said. Brian was argumentative yes, but he didn't instigate her to say what she said. He is no saint and I wouldn't call him a hero but on that night he was most definitely the victim of verbal BULLYING. And up to this occasion I have never used the word bully in these forums except to say that it was far too frequently used for incidents that weren't in any way shape or form bullying.

[BB4fan]

It's funny how this aggressive instigator of all arguments is now viewed as some sort of victim.

He stepped up to the wrong girl and got his ass handed to him, get over it!


Brian starts on Helen, Danny starts on Marc yet anti Helen fans can't see it.

[JamesBond]

Brian starts on Helen, Danny starts on Marc yet anti Helen fans can't see it.

People see what the want to see and ignore the obvious.

[Jack_]

There's that word "bullying" again being thrown in there to create some type of false victim. Brian was not bullied. He was the instigator in almost every argument with Helen. We have two grown adults, both previous winners of BB, and you are saying one of them was "bullied". lol, give me a break.

Actually, it was not his fights with Helen and climbing over the wall with his tail between his legs that makes me dislike this guy now (I used to be a big fan). It was how after every nomination he cowardly said that it was not his idea, it was those other people who chose them. First thing he did after they were announced was to run up to the person and said "it wasn't me". pathetic.

Before you come for me, if you paid any attention to my posts you'd know I'm a person who hates the word 'bully' being thrown around the forums every series (and I even made a thread on it about a week ago which in effect was a defence of Helen, how ironic) and I don't do it lightly. Nothing Helen did last series or the large part of this series was bullying, but in one particular scene where she went at Brian as he sat in silence (please see my other thread on this I cba to type it out again) she was being a bully.

It doesn't matter whether Brian gave as good as he got at other opportunities (which he did, I'm not denying), it doesn't matter if he put the blame on Helen and Marc (which to be fair, he also did), it doesn't matter about any of these other instances people keep naming. The fact of the matter is, in one particular scene in that final argument, Brian sat in silence on the brink of tears and Helen continued to goad him and got enjoyment out of his weakness.

When two people are arguing, it's a level playing field. But if one person isn't retaliating and you continue, you are being a bully. That applies in real life and in the Big Brother house.

Didn't really answer the question did you ?

So much for dealing with facts.

I did actually. I'm a person who deals with facts, the post of mine you quoted was factual, whereas your OP is fictitious.

The thread is (as good as) over because I posted something factual.

[Glenn.]

People see what the want to see and ignore the obvious.

No truer words

[AProducer'sWetDream]

But if one person isn't retaliating and you continue, you are being a bully. That applies in real life and in the Big Brother house.

Bully:
noun
1.
a person who uses strength or influence to harm or intimidate those who are weaker.

I'm not sure Brian can be described as a particularly weak person after his behaviour over the days leading up to this argument. And I'm not a massive fan of Helen, I think that her 'rapist' and 'murderer' comments were totally unacceptable, but I don't think she is some kind of evil bully that everyone here makes her out to be.

[chuff me dizzy]

Brian starts on Helen, Danny starts on Marc yet anti Helen fans can't see it.

:clap1:

[Jack_]

Bully:
noun
1.
a person who uses strength or influence to harm or intimidate those who are weaker.

I'm not sure Brian can be described as a particularly weak person after his behaviour over the days leading up to this argument. And I'm not a massive fan of Helen, I think that her 'rapist' and 'murderer' comments were totally unacceptable, but I don't think she is some kind of evil bully that everyone here makes her out to be.

I don't know how many times I'm going to have to keep separating this argument out into individual segments but it's really tiring

Yes he gave as good as he got on other days, yes he gave as good as he got at the start of the argument, yes he gave as good as he got at the end of the argument, yes he shouted at her, yes he blamed her and Marc, yes yes yes.

However, in one particular scene that everyone seems to be airbrushing out of history, and I'd recommend you go and watch it back, he sat on the sofa in silence, visibly shaking and on the brink of tears, and Helen continued to goad him, deliberately antagonising him (and admitting to doing so herself, 'I am going to antagonise you') and was smirking and getting enjoyment out of the fact that at that particular moment, in that particular scene, he was showing signs of weakness. What preceded that or came after that is irrelevant. In that one scene, she was a bully.

[abhorson]

Before you come for me, if you paid any attention to my posts you'd know I'm a person who hates the word 'bully' being thrown around the forums every series (and I even made a thread on it about a week ago which in effect was a defence of Helen, how ironic) and I don't do it lightly. Nothing Helen did last series or the large part of this series was bullying, but in one particular scene where she went at Brian as he sat in silence (please see my other thread on this I cba to type it out again) she was being a bully.

It doesn't matter whether Brian gave as good as he got at other opportunities (which he did, I'm not denying), it doesn't matter if he put the blame on Helen and Marc (which to be fair, he also did), it doesn't matter about any of these other instances people keep naming. The fact of the matter is, in one particular scene in that final argument, Brian sat in silence on the brink of tears and Helen continued to goad him and got enjoyment out of his weakness.

When two people are arguing, it's a level playing field. But if one person isn't retaliating and you continue, you are being a bully. That applies in real life and in the Big Brother house.



I did actually. I'm a person who deals with facts, the post of mine you quoted was factual, whereas your OP is fictitious.

The thread is (as good as) over because I posted something factual.

:clap1::clap1:

[Patricia4]

It's funny how this aggressive instigator of all arguments is now viewed as some sort of victim.

He stepped up to the wrong girl and got his ass handed to him, get over it!

Spot on :clap1:

[JamesBond]

Before you come for me, if you paid any attention to my posts you'd know I'm a person who hates the word 'bully' being thrown around the forums every series (and I even made a thread on it about a week ago which in effect was a defence of Helen, how ironic) and I don't do it lightly. Nothing Helen did last series or the large part of this series was bullying, but in one particular scene where she went at Brian as he sat in silence (please see my other thread on this I cba to type it out again) she was being a bully.

It doesn't matter whether Brian gave as good as he got at other opportunities (which he did, I'm not denying), it doesn't matter if he put the blame on Helen and Marc (which to be fair, he also did), it doesn't matter about any of these other instances people keep naming. The fact of the matter is, in one particular scene in that final argument, Brian sat in silence on the brink of tears and Helen continued to goad him and got enjoyment out of his weakness.

When two people are arguing, it's a level playing field. But if one person isn't retaliating and you continue, you are being a bully. That applies in real life and in the Big Brother house.



I did actually. I'm a person who deals with facts, the post of mine you quoted was factual, whereas your OP is fictitious.

The thread is (as good as) over because I posted something factual.

You still don't understand lol.

I don't want to know, nor care who you are.

Simply put you have no right to tell someone their thread is over. But you already knew that was my point and chose tho dance around it.

Bottom line if you dont like my post no one's forcing you to comment on it.

[waterhog]

It's funny how this aggressive instigator of all arguments is now viewed as some sort of victim.

He stepped up to the wrong girl and got his ass handed to him, get over it!

we all no brian would not harm a fly - that is the injustice of this - and melon was deliberately winding him up.

[Lampfan]

He's no victim. He wasn't bullied at all. Helen treated him like sh*t, her comments were a disgrace. No doubting that.

However, he let this rage build up. He was clearly annoyed that he wan't listened to in the Den and he didn't speak up so it just stewed. Then in the house he decided to fly off the handle at times when it wasn't called for. Chloe had just disowned her other HM's in a ridiculous act of self-importance so why jump up in a rage to defend her?

Then he pulled the super hero act. Even cussed out poor Joel for having the audacity to be his own man and like who Brian disliked. He joins in in the food fight, encouraging it even, but Nikki gets hurt and he's a DIY paramedic and refuses to sleep in the ****ing bedroom. I mean what a nonsense that was.

He was called awful things. Helen deserved chucking out but he's no innocent victim whatsoever.

[Jack_]

You still don't understand lol.

I don't want to know, nor care who you are.

Simply put you have no right to tell someone their thread is over. But you already knew that was my point and chose tho dance around it.

Bottom line if you dont like my post no one's forcing you to comment on it.

If you have been proved wrong with factual information, then the thread is as good as over. My post is the equivalent of someone responding to a thread asking how to fix a problem with their iPhone with a workable solution. No need for it to continue.

[Kazanne]

Bully:
noun
1.
a person who uses strength or influence to harm or intimidate those who are weaker.

I'm not sure Brian can be described as a particularly weak person after his behaviour over the days leading up to this argument. And I'm not a massive fan of Helen, I think that her 'rapist' and 'murderer' comments were totally unacceptable, but I don't think she is some kind of evil bully that everyone here makes her out to be.

Spot on.:wavey:

[chuff me dizzy]

You still don't understand lol.

I don't want to know, nor care who you are.

Simply put you have no right to tell someone their thread is over. But you already knew that was my point and chose tho dance around it.

Bottom line if you dont like my post no one's forcing you to comment on it.

:clap1:

[JamesBond]

If you have been proved wrong with factual information, then the thread is as good as over. My post is the equivalent of someone responding to a thread asking how to fix a problem with their iPhone with a workable solution. No need for it to continue.

You didn't prove anything, just that you thought for some reason you could tell someone else that their thread was over. And from what I can see comments were posted after, so in FACT you were wrong.

[Lampfan]

You still don't understand lol.

I don't want to know, nor care who you are.

Simply put you have no right to tell someone their thread is over. But you already knew that was my point and chose tho dance around it.

Bottom line if you dont like my post no one's forcing you to comment on it.

Well said.

Thread over /s

[chuff me dizzy]

You didn't prove anything, just that you thought for some reason you could tell someone else that their thread was over. And from what I can see comments were posted after, so in FACT you were wrong.

:douf:

[JamesBond]

Well said.

Thread over /s

LOL

[Jack_]

You didn't prove anything, just that you thought for some reason you could tell someone else that their thread was over. And from what I can see comments were posted after, so in FACT you were wrong.

I have proved more than enough with my posts over the last 18 hours which some people are choosing to conveniently ignore. Not one person is yet to defend and justify the scene which I have highlighted and tell me how it isn't bullying, all they've done is said 'well Brian acted like this on this day, and this later', ignoring the fact that there were separate parts to that final argument. Therefore what I'm saying is factual, and therefore the thread is as good as over. Of course people are going to continue posting, have you never seen it been said on a forum before?

For the record, I am rarely wrong, and I most certainly am not here.

[chuff me dizzy]

I have proved more than enough with my posts over the last 18 hours which some people are choosing to conveniently ignore. Not one person is yet to defend and justify the scene which I have highlighted and tell me how it isn't bullying, all they've done is said 'well Brian acted like this on this day, and this later', ignoring the fact that there were separate parts to that final argument. Therefore what I'm saying is factual, and therefore the thread is as good as over. Of course people are going to continue posting, have you never seen it been said on a forum before?

For the record, I am rarely wrong, and I most certainly am not here.

:bored:

[Jack_]

:bored:

Still no defence of the scene I have described?

I am not joking, I would love somebody to try and tell me how it wasn't bullying because I liked Helen before this and have defended her before, but it was and I'm yet to hear any justification as to how it wasn't.

[AProducer'sWetDream]

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[chuff me dizzy]

Still no defence of the scene I have described?

I am not joking, I would love somebody to try and tell me how it wasn't bullying because I liked Helen before this and have defended her before, but it was and I'm yet to hear any justification as to how it wasn't.

WRONG

[Lampfan]

I have proved more than enough with my posts over the last 18 hours which some people are choosing to conveniently ignore. Not one person is yet to defend and justify the scene which I have highlighted and tell me how it isn't bullying, all they've done is said 'well Brian acted like this on this day, and this later', ignoring the fact that there were separate parts to that final argument. Therefore what I'm saying is factual, and therefore the thread is as good as over. Of course people are going to continue posting, have you never seen it been said on a forum before?

For the record, I am rarely wrong, and I most certainly am not here.

Well, I guess that's proof. He's rarely wrong, folks.

Thread over. :worship:

[JamesBond]

WRONG

Agreed

[Glenn.]

Still no defence of the scene I have described?

I am not joking, I would love somebody to try and tell me how it wasn't bullying because I liked Helen before this and have defended her before, but it was and I'm yet to hear any justification as to how it wasn't.

I've also yet to see anyone who can defend that moment without saying 'Brian did this'

[Jack_]

WRONG

Saying 'wrong' doesn't make it wrong. Usually in a debate you cite evidence and reasoning to back up your claims, as I have done continuously.

But whatever floats your boat...

[Glenn.]

WRONG

Some lovely and intellectual input there

[Griffin5779]

I don't know how many times I'm going to have to keep separating this argument out into individual segments but it's really tiring

Yes he gave as good as he got on other days, yes he gave as good as he got at the start of the argument, yes he gave as good as he got at the end of the argument, yes he shouted at her, yes he blamed her and Marc, yes yes yes.

However, in one particular scene that everyone seems to be airbrushing out of history, and I'd recommend you go and watch it back, he sat on the sofa in silence, visibly shaking and on the brink of tears, and Helen continued to goad him, deliberately antagonising him (and admitting to doing so herself, 'I am going to antagonise you') and was smirking and getting enjoyment out of the fact that at that particular moment, in that particular scene, he was showing signs of weakness. What preceded that or came after that is irrelevant. In that one scene, she was a bully.

you know what...i watched it back .....

And what i wasn't not a poor weak brian..but an angry brianm..who had already had 1 blow up ..and was sat on the soaf..shaking with angry..forcing a exaggerated smile not unlike the joker in batman. I saw Brian..up on his feet..shouting in a loud angry voice...repeated calling helen a scum bag..no sign of being on the verge of tears in the least..

but i thank you for for suggesting i rematch it..helens comments where out of line...but in light of brian's joker impression..i can see where she was coming from

[Glenn.]

No one can defend that moment that's the great part. It's fun to see these Helen fans skirt around it because the have to admit that she was a bullying disgusting person.

[Jack_]

I've also yet to see anyone who can defend that moment without saying 'Brian did this'

Exactly, and it's beyond tiring. I have never once said Brian did nothing wrong and have on multiple occasions pointed out he said things he shouldn't have as well, but there were separate parts to that argument and the one where he sat on the sofa without retaliating as Helen went at him is an example of bullying. Nothing more, nothing less.

Had that scene not happened, and it had just been them two arguing and shouting abuse (even with Helen making those comments) I wouldn't have had a problem and would probably still be defending her to be honest.

[Glenn.]

It's the 'he wasn't shaking and crying he was aggressive' route lmao

[Tom4784]

She's an indefensible bully and what she said negates any right she has to take the moral high ground.

Doesn't matter who starts an argument, she crossed the line when she could have easily rose above it.

At the end of the day she's been in two different BB houses and both times she has been branded a builly by people who have had to live with her 24 hours a day. She's a bully and there's no defending her actions and deflecting them onto other people is just an act of denial.

[Lampfan]

She's an indefensible bully and what she said negates any right she has to take the moral high ground.

Doesn't matter who starts an argument, she crossed the line when she could have easily rose above it.

At the end of the day she's been in two different BB houses and both times she has been branded a builly by people who have had to live with her 24 hours a day. She's a bully and there's no defending her actions and deflecting them onto other people is just an act of denial.

Who's defending her?

Show me a post defending her.

[Livia]

She's an indefensible bully and what she said negates any right she has to take the moral high ground.

Doesn't matter who starts an argument, she crossed the line when she could have easily rose above it.

At the end of the day she's been in two different BB houses and both times she has been branded a builly by people who have had to live with her 24 hours a day. She's a bully and there's no defending her actions and deflecting them onto other people is just an act of denial.

Okay now you can close the thread.

[spot_on]

I have proved more than enough with my posts over the last 18 hours which some people are choosing to conveniently ignore. Not one person is yet to defend and justify the scene which I have highlighted and tell me how it isn't bullying, all they've done is said 'well Brian acted like this on this day, and this later', ignoring the fact that there were separate parts to that final argument. Therefore what I'm saying is factual, and therefore the thread is as good as over. Of course people are going to continue posting, have you never seen it been said on a forum before?

For the record, I am rarely wrong, and I most certainly am not here.

Please post a link to the scene. As I remembered, Brian started that one too, then after he started it chose to remain silent.

Any ways, whether he did start that particular fight or not is irrelevant. The fact is that they both had a history together, both fought with each other, and both hold their own against each other. That fact that now, after all these fights, all of a sudden now Brian is being "bullied" is utterly ridiculous and does a disservice to all those in school who are really bullied.

Helen definitely crossed the line with her comments about Brian looking like a rapist. But guess what, things like that get said in the heat of the moment. Brian has called her a disgusting human being and other bad things time and time again, but nobody said anything.

[chuff me dizzy]

Some lovely and intellectual input there

Stick to the topic please

[Pete.]

Okay now you can close the thread.
Yep!

[Lampfan]

Nah

[LukeB]

Okay now you can close the thread.

:fc:

[Jack_]

Please post a link to the scene. As I remembered, Brian started that one too, then after he started it chose to remain silent.

Any ways, whether he did start that particular fight or not is irrelevant. The fact is that they both had a history together, both fought with each other, and both hold their own against each other. That fact that now, after all these fights, all of a sudden now Brian is being "bullied" is utterly ridiculous and does a disservice to all those in school who are really bullied.

Helen definitely crossed the line with her comments about Brian looking like a rapist. But guess what, things like that get said in the heat of the moment. Brian has called her a disgusting human being and other bad things time and time again, but nobody said anything.

I was actually going to ask someone else to post it, it's not something I ever want to watch again because I found it so uncomfortable and saddening. But it'd be great if someone else could clip the one I'm talking about for me.

They did hold their own against each other in every other fight and even in other parts of that argument, you are right indeed, and I didn't have a problem with any other part of the argument (yes, even the comments, as disgusting as they were) and was actually finding their feuds entertaining because they were a level playing field, but that one particular scene was not level because he sat there in silence and she continued to goad, mock and antagonise him deliberately by her own admission which is bullying, whether in real life or on a TV show.

I need to make this distinction. Every other instance of their arguments Brian was not being bullied because he gave as good as he got, but in that one particular instance that I've outlined, he was bullied. Again, if you continue to abuse someone who isn't retaliating and don't know when to stop, as Helen at that moment didn't, you are being a bully.

[Griffin5779]

I've also yet to see anyone who can defend that moment without saying 'Brian did this'

And thats is different from defending brians behavior by saying helen made him do it because? maybe if brian hadn't been loud and aggressive and repeatedly called her a scumbag she wouldn't have

[Glenn.]

Who's defending her?

Show me a post defending her.

There's like 4 pages to take your pick from.

[Glenn.]

3 pages

[Liam-]

Close every thread that doesn't suit or pander to the majority's opinions :fist:

[Glenn.]

And thats is different from defending brians behavior by saying helen made him do it because? maybe if brian hadn't been loud and aggressive and repeatedly called her a scumbag she wouldn't have

Still not a valid reason to why Helen goaded Brian when he sat there in silence.

[Griffin5779]

Still not a valid reason to why Helen goaded Brian when he sat there in silence.

They where having an argument..he put in his 2 pence say they tag teamed him...saying they where dementers...she replys..he shout up..not on the verge of tears..but trying to keep from exploding in angry..again..he didn't manage it..and this poor lost soul you want to say was broken and on the verge of tears was back on his feet shouting angrily and repeatedly calling her as scumbag..i have no problem with her pressing her case in an argument he started

[chuff me dizzy]

Still not a valid reason to why Helen goaded Brian when he sat there in silence.


Helen was doing a task and answered the question about Nikki.the maniac was sat staring at her, nostrils flaring ,foaming at the mouth then he butted in,Helen made him look a total twat, and he bottled it and went over the wall ,with his bowels trailing behind him .......remember we ALL watched the show

[JamesBond]

I have proved more than enough with my posts over the last 18 hours which some people are choosing to conveniently ignore. Not one person is yet to defend and justify the scene which I have highlighted and tell me how it isn't bullying, all they've done is said 'well Brian acted like this on this day, and this later', ignoring the fact that there were separate parts to that final argument. Therefore what I'm saying is factual, and therefore the thread is as good as over. Of course people are going to continue posting, have you never seen it been said on a forum before?

For the record, I am rarely wrong, and I most certainly am not here.

It's not bullying when someone keeps starting arguments with you and you finally stand up for yourself. Helen held back as long as she could knowing that she would destroy Brian if she lost her cool.

Yes her words were extreme and if she could go back I'm sure she would have chosen them more carefully. However he is aggressive as we saw in that argument and he is a pervert which we saw on day one when the so called legends entered the bunker. One of the first this he said to Helen was your boobs look good, I would call highly inappropriate but the rest of the world decides to give Brian pass for being unashamedly pervy. Helen could have complained or left the house and made a big fuss about being made to feel uncomfortable but she laughed it off.

[Glenn.]

They where having an argument..he put in his 2 pence say they tag teamed him...saying they where dementers...she replys..he shout up..not on the verge of tears..but trying to keep from exploding in angry..again..he didn't manage it..and this poor lost soul you want to say was broken and on the verge of tears was back on his feet shouting angrily and repeatedly calling her as scumbag..i have no problem with her pressing her case in an argument he started

Helen was doing a task and answered the question about Nikki.the maniac was sat staring at her, nostrils flaring ,foaming at the mouth then he butted in,Helen made him look a total twat, and he bottled it and went over the wall ,with his bowels trailing behind him .......remember we ALL watched the show

Both of you again failed to address the instant Jack and I have stated. Try again.

[Lampfan]

There's like 4 pages to take your pick from.

You're reading diffirent things to me then.

Criticizing Brian is defending Helen, how?

[chuff me dizzy]

It's not bullying when someone keeps starting arguments with you and you finally stand up for yourself. Helen held back as long as she could knowing that she would destroy Brian if she lost her cool.

Yes her words were extreme and if she could go back I'm sure she would have chosen them more carefully. However he is aggressive as we saw in that argument and he is a pervert which we saw on day one when the so called legends entered the bunker. One of the first this he said to Helen was your boobs look good, I would call highly inappropriate but the rest of the world decides to give Brian pass for being unashamedly pervy. Helen could have complained or left the house and made a big fuss about being made to feel uncomfortable but she laughed it off.

:clap1: ..Belo should have been removed the week before when Helen told BB he scared her, but they left her to sort him out herself, and she did

[Glenn.]

You're reading diffirent things to me then.

Criticizing Brian is defending Helen, how?

How is it anything but defending Helen?

[spot_on]

I'm sorry, but when you continuously pick fights with somebody you lose the right to claim you were "bullied". He's not some innocent fat kid in school who the popular kids pick on. Brian is not innocent, he can defend himself, and he was constantly an instigator. Hence in no way, shape, or form was he bullied.

[Glenn.]

Yes he was

[Vicky.]

How is it anything but defending Helen?

It IS possible to believe Brian acted like a bellend throughout his stay, whilst feeling bad for him having Helen say what she eventually said...

Disliking one persons behavior doesn't mean you have to defend the other involved persons behavior too :shrug:

[Liam-]

This thread is giving me a headache

[JamesBond]

:clap1: ..Belo should have been removed the week before when Helen told BB he scared her, but they left her to sort him out herself, and she did

She was def worried about him, he's a creepy one I'll tell ya.

[Griffin5779]

I have proved more than enough with my posts over the last 18 hours which some people are choosing to conveniently ignore. Not one person is yet to defend and justify the scene which I have highlighted and tell me how it isn't bullying, all they've done is said 'well Brian acted like this on this day, and this later', ignoring the fact that there were separate parts to that final argument. Therefore what I'm saying is factual, and therefore the thread is as good as over. Of course people are going to continue posting, have you never seen it been said on a forum before?

For the record, I am rarely wrong, and I most certainly am not here.

it isn't bullying to press your advantage in an argument..

it not that no one hasn't explained it or justified it..it just that you don't except what they say...

can you prove you aren't wrong? that sounds like the kinda thing helen would say

[spot_on]

Yes he was

awwwe, poor brian "it wasn't me who nominated you" bello the victim. So defenseless, so weak, so unable to defend himself, We should all pity this poor child.

[chuff me dizzy]

I'm sorry, but when you continuously pick fights with somebody you lose the right to claim you were "bullied". He's not some innocent fat kid in school who the popular kids pick on. Brian is not innocent, he can defend himself, and he was constantly an instigator. Hence in no way, shape, or form was he bullied.

And Helen is a woman,who maybe weighs 8 stone wet through,he's maybe used to women backing down to him ,but he met his match ,and what sent him over the edge was when she cornered him by asking him what he would do to her if the cameras wasn't there, THATS what pissed him off,because he KNEW what would happen

[Pete.]

This thread is giving me a headache
Same :laugh:

[Glenn.]

The Brian is a woman beater argument again. Grasping at straws

[Griffin5779]

Both of you again failed to address the instant Jack and I have stated. Try again.

"she replys..he shout up..not on the verge of tears..but trying to keep from exploding in angry"

Yes i did....he wasn't on the verge of tears..she was continuing an argument...

are you suggesting that in an argument..if your opponent stops talking you are required to as well? he wasn't picked on..he wasn't bullied..he was out argued..and lost his temper as a result..again

[bots]

Before you come for me, if you paid any attention to my posts you'd know I'm a person who hates the word 'bully' being thrown around the forums every series (and I even made a thread on it about a week ago which in effect was a defence of Helen, how ironic) and I don't do it lightly. Nothing Helen did last series or the large part of this series was bullying, but in one particular scene where she went at Brian as he sat in silence (please see my other thread on this I cba to type it out again) she was being a bully.

It doesn't matter whether Brian gave as good as he got at other opportunities (which he did, I'm not denying), it doesn't matter if he put the blame on Helen and Marc (which to be fair, he also did), it doesn't matter about any of these other instances people keep naming. The fact of the matter is, in one particular scene in that final argument, Brian sat in silence on the brink of tears and Helen continued to goad him and got enjoyment out of his weakness.

When two people are arguing, it's a level playing field. But if one person isn't retaliating and you continue, you are being a bully. That applies in real life and in the Big Brother house.



I did actually. I'm a person who deals with facts, the post of mine you quoted was factual, whereas your OP is fictitious.

The thread is (as good as) over because I posted something factual.

The thing is you cant take one part of a conversation out of context and call it bullying. Brian initiated the events that started that conflict with completely over the top and aggressive behaviour. I will use the slightly more acceptable term, he looked demented. A perfectly accurate description for how he looked and behaved. Helen may not have the command of English that others have, but her meaning was clear. She felt unsettled and scared by his behaviour. Lets also not forget it took the large housemates to keep Brian from going at Helen.

No matter how you want to describe it, if someone behaves in the aggressive manner that Brian was, he was not being bullied, and to say he was is a gross misinterpretation of the situation

[chuff me dizzy]

The thing is you cant take one part of a conversation out of context and call it bullying. Brian initiated the events that started that conflict with completely over the top and aggressive behaviour. I will use the slightly more acceptable term, he looked demented. A perfectly accurate description for how he looked and behaved. Helen may not have the command of English that others have, but her meaning was clear. She felt unsettled and scared by his behaviour. Lets also not forget it took the large housemates to keep Brian from going at Helen.

No matter how you want to describe it, if someone behaves in the aggressive manner that Brian was, he was not being bullied, and to say he was is a gross misinterpretation of the situation

He needed a straight jacket?

[Glenn.]

If you're scared of someone you don't continue to goad them into a reaction. I'm not accepting that she felt afraid and intimidated by Brian.

[AProducer'sWetDream]

The thing is you cant take one part of a conversation out of context and call it bullying. Brian initiated the events that started that conflict with completely over the top and aggressive behaviour. I will use the slightly more acceptable term, he looked demented. A perfectly accurate description for how he looked and behaved. Helen may not have the command of English that others have, but her meaning was clear. She felt unsettled and scared by his behaviour. Lets also not forget it took the large housemates to keep Brian from going at Helen.

No matter how you want to describe it, if someone behaves in the aggressive manner that Brian was, he was not being bullied, and to say he was is a gross misinterpretation of the situation

:clap1: :clap1: :clap1: :clap1: :clap1: :clap1: :clap1: :clap1:

Exactly. That's the same as me picking out the single moment where Brian was standing over Helen calling her scum etc. and saying he was bullying her. People need to look at the whole argument here.

[Lampfan]

It IS possible to believe Brian acted like a bellend throughout his stay, whilst feeling bad for him having Helen say what she eventually said...

Disliking one persons behavior doesn't mean you have to defend the other involved persons behavior too :shrug:

Thanks.

I'm losing the will to live with this thread.

[GiRTh]

Kind of agree with the OP and a few Helen fans too. I think Helen was stitched up by BB and I'm a bit stunned she didnt see it coming or should I say her horrible personality made sure she didnt see it coming. I think she finally got it when she made the comment that she'd been portrayed as a bully. I'm not gonna get into whether she did or didnt bully anyone but her behaviour was very odd for an ex winner with nothing to prove who had been invited on to the show for a fee. Does Helen think she earned her money? I think she did a Jade Goody and is unlikely to ever be invited back. The use of the Poison track by Scherzinger for her leaving music made me laugh . It was very appropriate.

For me the comment that she made to Brian along the lines of 'What would you do if the cameras werent here' when it was clear he was about to blow. That is a straight up taunt. I dont know how she thinks he can get away with things like that. And then to really take the p*ss, she laughed. She knew what she was doing, she knew she'd wound him up and she thought this was funny. Oh dear!!!!

The other comment have been discussed. I';m not gonna say Brian was a saint of Nikki for that matter but did it never occur to Helen who she was arguing with? Both are more liked than hated, she's more hated than liked. It doesn't take genius to figure out that maybe it would be better if they picked their fight more carefully. Helen is most certainly not that genius.

[JamesBond]

He needed a straight jacket?

Instead he's getting a laughable stop bullying Brian campaign.

[Griffin5779]

If you're scared of someone you don't continue to goad them into a reaction. I'm not accepting that she felt afraid and intimidated by Brian.

doesn't that work the other way as well...i mean the whole thread is about poor brian being bullied and intimidated by helen...yet he continuously started arguments with helen..even helen and marc together..

seem by your own logic you would have to concede brain wasn't bullied

[GiRTh]

Almost forgot to mention the water works she turned on when she was crying with anger. First of all, what kind of person cries in anger. Thats completely ******ed up to start with.

This was the woman who has never been up for eviction yet was telling the HM's they've just got to get over it like she'd know anything about what it was like. Yet when she was picked on we get tears. What about get over it Helen. She is a walking contradiction.

[Griffin5779]

is kinda sad to go from the great entertaining bb winner to the poor little man helen wood made cry...thinking about that..i do feel kinda sorry for him

[chuff me dizzy]

Instead he's getting a laughable stop bullying Brian campaign.

Not from me he's not, I remember him the 1st time he was in,he was not wrapped up right then,maybe that why he only entered this time as an after thought when Gina refused the day before she was due in ,Belo has always been desperate,bet he keeps a suitcase packed ready in his bedsit waiting for a call

[chuff me dizzy]

Almost forgot to mention the water works she turned on when she was crying with anger. First of all, what kind of person cries in anger. Thats completely ******ed up to start with.

This was the woman who has never been up for eviction yet was telling the HM's they've just got to get over it like she'd know anything about what it was like. Yet when she was picked on we get tears. What about get over it Helen. She is a walking contradiction.

LOTS of people cry in anger, including me

[GiRTh]

LOTS of people cry in anger, including meThat doesn't surprise me.

[Liam-]

I cry when I'm angry/frustrated and my mother does, it's not all that unusual or '****ed up' as you seem to be indicating.

[chuff me dizzy]

That doesn't surprise me.

I do it at the same time I stamp my feet :joker:

[Kazanne]

If you've never cried in anger,you've never been truly angry.

[GiRTh]

If you've never cried in anger,you've never been truly angry.I get angry when I'm angry so no.

[GiRTh]

I cry when I'm angry/frustrated and my mother does, it's not all that unusual or '****ed up' as you seem to be indicating.Frustrated is understandable but crying when angry seem unusual to me.

[Liam-]

I get angry when I'm angry so no.

So because you don't react a certain way to something, everyone else who does is ****ed up? righto

[GiRTh]

So because you don't react a certain way to something, everyone else who does is ****ed up? rightoYou think crying when angry is usual? Righto

I get angry when I'm angry I get upset when I'm upset I dont equate anger and upset as being at all similar.

[JamesBond]

Not from me he's not, I remember him the 1st time he was in,he was not wrapped up right then,maybe that why he only entered this time as an after thought when Gina refused the day before she was due in ,Belo has always been desperate,bet he keeps a suitcase packed ready in his bedsit waiting for a call

He should go on Love Island, he'll soon find out that Helen isn't the only one that doesn't suffer fools gladly.

[GiRTh]

psychologist describe crying as the emotion you use to create comfort for an emotion. To gain comfort from crying when angry is very unusual.

[Liam-]

You think crying when angry is usual? Righto

I get angry when I'm angry I get upset when I'm upset I dont equate anger and upset as being at all similar.

Crying when angry is not about being upset, it's about the frustration that comes along with anger, as you said, crying when frustrated is understandable and I, like I imagine a lot of people, get frustrated when I get angry, they go hand in hand and is not really that unusual, I don't cry when I get upset, that's just how my body deals with things, but when I get angry, it's either let my anger out through tears, or hit the roof and explode at someone, I myself, prefer the former option.

[GiRTh]

So you have created the comfort of crying to deal with anger. Thats unusual.

[Vicky.]

psychologist describe crying as the emotion you use to create comfort for an emotion. To gain comfort from crying when angry is very unusual.

Psychologists appear to talk rubbish. Mine recently told me I am borderline sociopathic :umm2: Sociopaths tend to love themselves, be overly confident and charming, etc etc. Only trait I have in common I'm not a very emotional person and rarely feel guilt, even when I should...

I lost a lot of faith in docs/quacks and such recently :laugh:

Also, my partner crys when he is angry. He also taps his foot repeatedly and can't control it. I find it so odd :S

[Liam-]

So you have created the comfort of crying to deal with anger. Thats unusual.



To you maybe so.

[Liam-]

Psychologists appear to talk rubbish. Mine recently told me I am borderline sociopathic :umm2: Sociopaths tend to love themselves, be overly confident and charming, etc etc. Only trait I have in common I'm not a very emotional person and rarely feel guilt, even when I should...

I lost a lot of faith in docs/quacks and such recently :laugh:

Also, my partner crys when he is angry. He also taps his foot repeatedly and can't control it. I find it so odd :S

I also do this..

[GiRTh]

Looks like you guys need to go to anger management. I fer you are not managing your anger very well and giving people the wrong impression about your emotions.

[Liam-]

That's the most patronising thing that's ever been said to me on here and I've had people questioning my skills as a carer before, how dare you.

[GiRTh]

That's the most patronising thing that's ever been said to me on here and I've had people questioning my skills as a carer before, how dare you.
If you cry regularly when you are angry then I stand by my words.

[GiRTh]

Psychologists appear to talk rubbish. Mine recently told me I am borderline sociopathic :umm2: Sociopaths tend to love themselves, be overly confident and charming, etc etc. Only trait I have in common I'm not a very emotional person and rarely feel guilt, even when I should...

I lost a lot of faith in docs/quacks and such recently :laugh:

Also, my partner crys when he is angry. He also taps his foot repeatedly and can't control it. I find it so odd :SYou can dismiss the work of all psychologists if you want but I think there is some truth in much that is said.

[Liam-]

Well your words are wrong, not only are they wrong, but they're offensive.

[GiRTh]

Well your words are wrong, not only are they wrong, but they're offensive.How offensive? You cry when you are angry. Incidentally are you crying now? That is most definitely not something that most people do. What the problem?

[Liam-]

How offensive? You cry when you are angry.? Incidentally are you crying now? That is most definitely not something that most people do. What the problem?

Most people don't act like jumped up therapists because they read a few words that psychologists say, but alas, you're doing that.

[AProducer'sWetDream]

Looks like you guys need to go to anger management. I fer you are not managing your anger very well and giving people the wrong impression about your emotions.

I think we have established that a lot of people do cry when they are angry, including myself, so I think maybe you need to stop being so condescending and telling others about how to deal with emotions.

[GiRTh]

I think we have established that a lot of people do cry when they are angry, including myself, so I think maybe you need to stop being so condescending and telling others about how to deal with emotions.Where did we establish that? I'm looking it up and its most definitely not something that a lot of people do.

[AProducer'sWetDream]

How offensive? You cry when you are angry. Incidentally are you crying now? That is most definitely not something that most people do. What the problem?

How do you know? Have you conducted some kind of survey? Because a lot of people I know do. I think that you should just admit you may be wrong on this occasion.

[GiRTh]

Most people don't act like jumped up therapists because they read a few words that psychologists say, but alas, you're doing that.AM I.? Cus I think its strange to cry when angry. OK then. :thumbs:

[Liam-]

AM I.? Cus I think its strange to cry when angry. OK then. :thumbs:

No, you're taking my posts and trying to disect them to turn it around on me and make out like I have some sort of anger issue, because I deal with anger a different way to you.. you're being condescending, rude, offensive and obnoxious.

You can read all the bull**** that psychologists say until the cows come home, but don't you dare have the audacity to try and diagnose me with some sort of issue because I do something differently to you.

[GiRTh]

No, you're taking my posts and trying to disect them to turn it around on me and make out like I have some sort of anger issue, because I deal with anger a different way to you.. you're being condescending, rude, offensive and obnoxious.

You can read all the bull**** that psychologists say until the cows come home, but don't you dare have the audacity to try and diagnose me with some sort of issue because I do something differently to you.This is just getting laughable now.:joker:

So do you throw drinks at the wall when you are angry or sit crying in the corner?

[AProducer'sWetDream]

Where did we establish that? I'm looking it up and its most definitely not something that a lot of people do.

Well some psychologists may disagree with you...

Crying does serve an emotional purpose, says Sideroff, also an assistant clinical professor of psychiatry at the UCLA David Geffen School of Medicine. "It's a release. There is a buildup of energy with feelings."

''When you cry," she says, "it's a signal you need to address something." Among other things, it may mean you are frustrated, overwhelmed or even just trying to get someone's attention.

http://www.webmd.com/balance/features/why-we-cry-the-truth-about-tearing-up?page=2

[GiRTh]

Well some psychologists may disagree with you...

Crying does serve an emotional purpose, says Sideroff, also an assistant clinical professor of psychiatry at the UCLA David Geffen School of Medicine. "It's a release. There is a buildup of energy with feelings."

''When you cry," she says, "it's a signal you need to address something." Among other things, it may mean you are frustrated, overwhelmed or even just trying to get someone's attention.

http://www.webmd.com/balance/features/why-we-cry-the-truth-about-tearing-up?page=2
Exactly. 'A build up of energy with feeling' and you display that when you are angry by.....crying. Ok Then you are all right and I am wrong :joker: But I agree with the article you've found.

[AProducer'sWetDream]

Exactly. 'A build up of energy with feeling' and you display that when you are angry by.....crying. Ok Then you are all right and I am wrong :joker: But I agree with the article you've found.

Let's just agree to end this now :joker:, we've gone way off topic

[GiRTh]

Let's just agree to end this now :joker:, we've gone way off topicMy original point was that even though Helen display some anger when angry ie throwing cans at the wall the crying is unusual in context but if you think its ok then lets end the discussion

[Kazanne]

This is just getting laughable now.:joker:

So do you throw drinks at the wall when you are angry or sit crying in the corner?

I've thrown things in anger sometimes,sometimes I cry,depends really on what's made me angry

[JeanP!]

Who are you to tell me my thread is over ? LOL

:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

Brian is agressive and fake

Thread over

[JamesBond]

:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

Brian is agressive and fake

Thread over

I feel like my thread is being bullied :)

[Glenn.]

Helen is a bitch

[mimosveta]

Of course not. But Helens comments also do not negate the days and days of Brian picking at Helen/Marc often for little or no reason :laugh: He instigated every argument, bar the last one then tried to play victim :D

What, him avoiding them, hiding from them, and sleeping on the floor is now regarded as him picking on them? Come on.

[JamesBond]

What, him avoiding them, hiding from them, and sleeping on the floor is now regarded as him picking on them? Come on.

I don't seem to remember Brian sleeping on the floor during the argument he instigated.

Def wasn't trying to avoid Helen when HMs had to hold him back.

[cassieparis]

Helen should have been removed from the house for her comments and Big Brother's failure to do so sanctions what she did. So Brian isn't playing a victim when he is fact precisely that.
He's a victim of Big Brother ineffectiveness to manage bigots who have run out of logical argument and resort to lies about feeling threatened when their flaws are challenged. Whatever Brian did before did not warrant Helen's tired trick around feeling threatened.

[Fendertele]

How I see it people have Helen down as some 'Rottweiler', and Brian as some little innocent 'Puppy Dog', now I never saw any of the house mates having to restrain the 'Rottweiler' (Helen if you like), but there were several HM's restraining the poor little 'Puppy Dog' (Brian if you believe he's so cuddly). Do the math, and don't be swayed by what you are lead to believe, just because the 'majority' believe and buy Brian's act, and after all it is an act, just the same as any act be it comedian, actor etc, I believe and it was just my observation, from the time Brian set foot in the house, he was going to bring Helen down by playing Mr. Hero / Mr. Nice Guy, but Brian didn't bank on Helen bringing out his darker side. I'm sure I will get slated by the the Brian supporters, but I watched the same high-lights and that's what I saw night after night...

[Griffin5779]

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/tv/big-brother/450553/helen-wood-big-brother-daily-star-online-column-brian-belo

[Vicky.]

What, him avoiding them, hiding from them, and sleeping on the floor is now regarded as him picking on them? Come on.

He found every excuse possible to start arguments with them, and I have no idea why he slept on the floor that night,. He seemed in a huff about Nikki getting hit, saying they were bad people (presumably Marc and Helen...his obsession), but it appeared it was his mate who threw the bottle at Nikki(not on purpose...) and Brian was even joining in the chucking stuff!

[Liam-]

How I see it people have Helen down as some 'Rottweiler', and Brian as some little innocent 'Puppy Dog', now I never saw any of the house mates having to restrain the 'Rottweiler' (Helen if you like), but there were several HM's restraining the poor little 'Puppy Dog' (Brian if you believe he's so cuddly). Do the math, and don't be swayed by what you are lead to believe, just because the 'majority' believe and buy Brian's act, and after all it is an act, just the same as any act be it comedian, actor etc, I believe and it was just my observation, from the time Brian set foot in the house, he was going to bring Helen down by playing Mr. Hero / Mr. Nice Guy, but Brian didn't bank on Helen bringing out his darker side. I'm sure I will get slated by the the Brian supporters, but I watched the same high-lights and that's what I saw night after night...

Spot on :clap1:

[AProducer'sWetDream]

How I see it people have Helen down as some 'Rottweiler', and Brian as some little innocent 'Puppy Dog', now I never saw any of the house mates having to restrain the 'Rottweiler' (Helen if you like), but there were several HM's restraining the poor little 'Puppy Dog' (Brian if you believe he's so cuddly). Do the math, and don't be swayed by what you are lead to believe, just because the 'majority' believe and buy Brian's act, and after all it is an act, just the same as any act be it comedian, actor etc, I believe and it was just my observation, from the time Brian set foot in the house, he was going to bring Helen down by playing Mr. Hero / Mr. Nice Guy, but Brian didn't bank on Helen bringing out his darker side. I'm sure I will get slated by the the Brian supporters, but I watched the same high-lights and that's what I saw night after night...

Couldn't have put it better myself :clap1: :clap1: :clap1:

[Josy]

How I see it people have Helen down as some 'Rottweiler', and Brian as some little innocent 'Puppy Dog', now I never saw any of the house mates having to restrain the 'Rottweiler' (Helen if you like), but there were several HM's restraining the poor little 'Puppy Dog' (Brian if you believe he's so cuddly). Do the math, and don't be swayed by what you are lead to believe, just because the 'majority' believe and buy Brian's act, and after all it is an act, just the same as any act be it comedian, actor etc, I believe and it was just my observation, from the time Brian set foot in the house, he was going to bring Helen down by playing Mr. Hero / Mr. Nice Guy, but Brian didn't bank on Helen bringing out his darker side. I'm sure I will get slated by the the Brian supporters, but I watched the same high-lights and that's what I saw night after night...

:clap1:

[dc5r666]

Also, my partner crys when he is angry. He also taps his foot repeatedly and can't control it. I find it so odd :S

Same here.

Looking like Girth is the odd one out.

When he's angry he's angry and when he's wrong, he's wrong.

[JeanP!]

How I see it people have Helen down as some 'Rottweiler', and Brian as some little innocent 'Puppy Dog', now I never saw any of the house mates having to restrain the 'Rottweiler' (Helen if you like), but there were several HM's restraining the poor little 'Puppy Dog' (Brian if you believe he's so cuddly). Do the math, and don't be swayed by what you are lead to believe, just because the 'majority' believe and buy Brian's act, and after all it is an act, just the same as any act be it comedian, actor etc, I believe and it was just my observation, from the time Brian set foot in the house, he was going to bring Helen down by playing Mr. Hero / Mr. Nice Guy, but Brian didn't bank on Helen bringing out his darker side. I'm sure I will get slated by the the Brian supporters, but I watched the same high-lights and that's what I saw night after night...

+1

He's been exposed, finally.

I knew he was bad news and a phony, since the first time I watched him in BB8

[Kazanne]

How I see it people have Helen down as some 'Rottweiler', and Brian as some little innocent 'Puppy Dog', now I never saw any of the house mates having to restrain the 'Rottweiler' (Helen if you like), but there were several HM's restraining the poor little 'Puppy Dog' (Brian if you believe he's so cuddly). Do the math, and don't be swayed by what you are lead to believe, just because the 'majority' believe and buy Brian's act, and after all it is an act, just the same as any act be it comedian, actor etc, I believe and it was just my observation, from the time Brian set foot in the house, he was going to bring Helen down by playing Mr. Hero / Mr. Nice Guy, but Brian didn't bank on Helen bringing out his darker side. I'm sure I will get slated by the the Brian supporters, but I watched the same high-lights and that's what I saw night after night...

:clap1::worship::worship:

[Griffin5779]

How I see it people have Helen down as some 'Rottweiler', and Brian as some little innocent 'Puppy Dog', now I never saw any of the house mates having to restrain the 'Rottweiler' (Helen if you like), but there were several HM's restraining the poor little 'Puppy Dog' (Brian if you believe he's so cuddly). Do the math, and don't be swayed by what you are lead to believe, just because the 'majority' believe and buy Brian's act, and after all it is an act, just the same as any act be it comedian, actor etc, I believe and it was just my observation, from the time Brian set foot in the house, he was going to bring Helen down by playing Mr. Hero / Mr. Nice Guy, but Brian didn't bank on Helen bringing out his darker side. I'm sure I will get slated by the the Brian supporters, but I watched the same high-lights and that's what I saw night after night...

don't think that was his plan...remember his "how many bears" conversation? him dancing about like a chicken? and apparently he was a frozen duck as well.

he went in planning to be the loveable buffoon he is used to playing..and it got no traction..they ignored him acting like a chicken..thought his duck was weird not funny

he wasn't getting attention..he was used to being the top bill as the great bb8 winner and he found himself overshadowed by helen..and worst of all marc a mere contestant..not anything like the "legend" he has grown used to being

he got angry..turned bitter nasty and bitchy and generally acted like a total arse.

[Robertocarlo]

It's funny how this aggressive instigator of all arguments is now viewed as some sort of victim.

He stepped up to the wrong girl and got his ass handed to him, get over it!

Totally agree. Brian certainly is no saint or legend. More like a bellend! :laugh:

[JeanP!]

Brian Bellend

[cassieparis]

Can't believe what's being justified here.
Someone behaves badly towards another and in response they are maltreated to the power of 100 and that's okay?

The law suggests otherwise and Brian is litigious. I hope he legally challenges Helen's accusations and wins.

I am sure that all of Helen's explanations about her fear and discomfort only came forth due to legal advice she received on leaving the house and in order to justify her slanderous comments.

Her defense is weak! Brian Bello is a victim of slander.
Individuals are victims every day to nasty vindictive people who take a row too far and their is no shame in it. Regardless of how hard some might try to minimize this experience.
This attitude is rife on this board - "suck it up and never ever complain unless its someone I support"

[JeanP!]

Brian Belo and victim on the same phrase. LOL

[sarah2020]

How I see it people have Helen down as some 'Rottweiler', and Brian as some little innocent 'Puppy Dog', now I never saw any of the house mates having to restrain the 'Rottweiler' (Helen if you like), but there were several HM's restraining the poor little 'Puppy Dog' (Brian if you believe he's so cuddly). Do the math, and don't be swayed by what you are lead to believe, just because the 'majority' believe and buy Brian's act, and after all it is an act, just the same as any act be it comedian, actor etc, I believe and it was just my observation, from the time Brian set foot in the house, he was going to bring Helen down by playing Mr. Hero / Mr. Nice Guy, but Brian didn't bank on Helen bringing out his darker side. I'm sure I will get slated by the the Brian supporters, but I watched the same high-lights and that's what I saw night after night...

:thumbs: