View Full Version : Is it Racism or Bulling?
Psylocke
17-01-2007, 09:33 AM
Does it actually Matter????????
Both are bad in my book,and both sould be a big deal.
That said ive seen plenty of direct and indirect Rasism,and undercurrents.
Obviously they are both bad, but not as bad as each other, and I don't think the term racist should be put to someone on the basis of what we have seen in the BB house.
Ignorant , yes , but that is different to racist.
It's bullying - but you are quite right, neither is acceptable.
I would say bullying but i can also see why people think it's racism, both are bad and not acceptable i think if it was racism something would of been done.
I can think of 2 points in the show where racist filled comments were made. And it is bullying, no doubt
Razmataz
17-01-2007, 09:53 AM
It's bullying, nothing more, nothing less, I don't condone it but I accept it.
Psylocke
17-01-2007, 09:54 AM
Originally posted by Jigsaw©
It's bullying, nothing more, nothing less, I don't condone it but I accept it.
i wouldnt say nothing more,nothing less,because shilpas race has come into the bullying a couple of times
Razmataz
17-01-2007, 09:55 AM
Originally posted by Shilpa_Fan
I can think of 2 points in the show where racist filled comments were made. And it is bullying, no doubt
This is not my opinion but isn't racism.
Taking the mic out of her colour/religion.
Take the mic out of her country/status.
The haven't done this.
Originally posted by Jigsaw©
It's bullying, nothing more, nothing less, I don't condone it but I accept it.
The point being that bullying should never be acceptable.
on_mercury
17-01-2007, 10:06 AM
Its bullying it cant be racism as theres only one race the human race.
Razmataz
17-01-2007, 10:09 AM
Originally posted by Ruth
Originally posted by Jigsaw©
It's bullying, nothing more, nothing less, I don't condone it but I accept it.
The point being that bullying should never be acceptable.
My phrase of accept meaning "I accept it happens in other places other than a house on tv."
Originally posted by on_mercury
Its bullying it cant be racism as theres only one race the human race.
:rolleyes: lol
Sibley1234
17-01-2007, 10:12 AM
no offence but if shilpa was white no one would even say that there was bullying in the house but because shes coloured everyones saying its racism!
WTH is up with you everyone?
Psylocke
17-01-2007, 10:16 AM
Originally posted by Sibley1234
no offence but if shilpa was white no one would even say that there was bullying in the house but because shes coloured everyones saying its racism!
WTH is up with you everyone?
Ive had a problem the way housemates have been bullied in the past.As have many many others,and i have made complaints
it wasnt shilpas colour that got the most notice,i think it was her celebrity.
Sophii3x
17-01-2007, 11:04 AM
I'd say it's bullying
But sometimes they have been taking the piss of her coulture
Originally posted by Sibley1234
no offence but if shilpa was white no one would even say that there was bullying in the house but because shes coloured everyones saying its racism!
WTH is up with you everyone?
People would say it was bullying whatever colour she is. Not everyone is saying it's racism - I personally don't believe it's racism either, but it is definitely bullying.
GiRTh
17-01-2007, 11:43 AM
Originally posted by Sibley1234
no offence but if shilpa was white no one would even say that there was bullying in the house but because shes coloured everyones saying its racism!
WTH is up with you everyone?
Whether it's racism or not is not the issue. It is most definitely a case of acute and extreme ignorance towards somebody who's only offence is nothing more than being different from the people attacking her. It's ignorance which leads to prejudice which leads to racism.
albie
17-01-2007, 11:46 AM
Originally posted by Jigsaw©
It's bullying, nothing more, nothing less, I don't condone it but I accept it.
That's a horrible thing to say. Can we bully you then?:cloud:
albie
17-01-2007, 11:54 AM
If it was Jermaine and Shilpa being so nasty I'm sure you would not accept it. But because it's man faced Jo, your idol...:pat:
The_Hitman
17-01-2007, 11:57 AM
Its simple. Its BOTH racism AND bullying.
The problem is, people are playing down the racism because the bullying is more prevelent, trying to claim the racism doesnt even exist.
Originally posted by GRiT
Originally posted by Sibley1234
no offence but if shilpa was white no one would even say that there was bullying in the house but because shes coloured everyones saying its racism!
WTH is up with you everyone?
Whether it's racism or not is not the issue. It is most definitely a case of acute and extreme ignorance towards somebody who's only offence is nothing more than being different from the people attacking her. It's ignorance which leads to prejudice which leads to racism.
But I don't think it is fair to say an ignorant person is a racist.
If someone is un/misinformed and unaware in a subject their judgements will be wrong but it doesn't make them racist.
The_Hitman
17-01-2007, 11:59 AM
Originally posted by on_mercury
Its bullying it cant be racism as theres only one race the human race.
If only these idiots in the house could accept the world like you do. :thumbs:
GiRTh
17-01-2007, 12:04 PM
Originally posted by ttw
Originally posted by GRiT
Originally posted by Sibley1234
no offence but if shilpa was white no one would even say that there was bullying in the house but because shes coloured everyones saying its racism!
WTH is up with you everyone?
Whether it's racism or not is not the issue. It is most definitely a case of acute and extreme ignorance towards somebody who's only offence is nothing more than being different from the people attacking her. It's ignorance which leads to prejudice which leads to racism.
But I don't think it is fair to say an ignorant person is a racist.
If someone is un/misinformed and unaware in a subject their judgements will be wrong but it doesn't make them racist.
Ignorance leads to racism. It's a fact. If somebody has been misimformed then it is up to them to listen and learn not to judge and belittle. I again go back to the person who pointed out that Shilpas culture is as much a mystery to Jermaine and Dirk as it is to Team ignorant. However, they are reacting in a different and more acceptable way.
Originally posted by GRiT
Originally posted by ttw
Originally posted by GRiT
Originally posted by Sibley1234
no offence but if shilpa was white no one would even say that there was bullying in the house but because shes coloured everyones saying its racism!
WTH is up with you everyone?
Whether it's racism or not is not the issue. It is most definitely a case of acute and extreme ignorance towards somebody who's only offence is nothing more than being different from the people attacking her. It's ignorance which leads to prejudice which leads to racism.
But I don't think it is fair to say an ignorant person is a racist.
If someone is un/misinformed and unaware in a subject their judgements will be wrong but it doesn't make them racist.
Ignorance leads to racism. It's a fact. If somebody has been misimformed then it is up to them to listen and learn not to judge and belittle. I again go back to the person who pointed out that Shilpas culture is as much a mystery to Jermaine and Dirk as it is to Team ignorant. However, they are reacting in a different and more acceptable way.
That's the thing with some of them in the house they just make assumptions based on ignorant views they already hold and come out with the first thing in they think of rather than actually learn to listen about find out about people's cultures.
Originally posted by GRiT
Originally posted by ttw
Originally posted by GRiT
Originally posted by Sibley1234
no offence but if shilpa was white no one would even say that there was bullying in the house but because shes coloured everyones saying its racism!
WTH is up with you everyone?
Whether it's racism or not is not the issue. It is most definitely a case of acute and extreme ignorance towards somebody who's only offence is nothing more than being different from the people attacking her. It's ignorance which leads to prejudice which leads to racism.
But I don't think it is fair to say an ignorant person is a racist.
If someone is un/misinformed and unaware in a subject their judgements will be wrong but it doesn't make them racist.
Ignorance leads to racism. It's a fact. If somebody has been misimformed then it is up to them to listen and learn not to judge and belittle. I again go back to the person who pointed out that Shilpas culture is as much a mystery to Jermaine and Dirk as it is to Team ignorant. However, they are reacting in a different and more acceptable way.
Yes ignorance can lead to racism. But if you have no knowledge about another culture, and all you've seen is possibly from films or random bits you hear now and then your judgement is going to be misinformed. If we are unaware of something we automatically make assumptions on what we do know. She doesn't know what she is saying is wrong but she doesn't know what is right either. Yes, it is up to us to listen and learn and that is the best thing to do, but just because she hasn't it does not make her racist.
One of the comments Danielle has been referred to as being racist is when she has asked after a discussion about Shilpa fingering their food if it was in India or China that they ate with their hands... Now most people know that this is a stupid thing to say , but due to her ignorance she doesn't know that what she is saying isn't true and it is probably something she may have heard somewhere or seen somewhere, she also said she thought Winston Churchill was the first black president of America, again another stupid thing to say but not at all racist.
Originally posted by BB fernzy
Originally posted by GRiT
Originally posted by ttw
Originally posted by GRiT
Originally posted by Sibley1234
no offence but if shilpa was white no one would even say that there was bullying in the house but because shes coloured everyones saying its racism!
WTH is up with you everyone?
Whether it's racism or not is not the issue. It is most definitely a case of acute and extreme ignorance towards somebody who's only offence is nothing more than being different from the people attacking her. It's ignorance which leads to prejudice which leads to racism.
But I don't think it is fair to say an ignorant person is a racist.
If someone is un/misinformed and unaware in a subject their judgements will be wrong but it doesn't make them racist.
Ignorance leads to racism. It's a fact. If somebody has been misimformed then it is up to them to listen and learn not to judge and belittle. I again go back to the person who pointed out that Shilpas culture is as much a mystery to Jermaine and Dirk as it is to Team ignorant. However, they are reacting in a different and more acceptable way.
That's the thing with some of them in the house they just make assumptions based on ignorant views they already hold and come out with the first thing in they think of rather than actually learn to listen about find out about people's cultures.
But that is not racism just because they have not learnt or listened.
We haven't seen them ask Leo who lives in Australia, Jermaine/Dirk who live in America about where they live and neither have they done the same with Shilpa.
The_Hitman
17-01-2007, 01:15 PM
Look, theyve been racist. Just watch the show would you.
Shilpa has been the HM's ( Not all of them though!) target for both bullying and racism. Jack called her a '****' which is just a vile and evil thing to say, and the bitches have been bullying Shilpa, maybe not to her face as much, but behind her back they have a field day talking about her.
Noopie
17-01-2007, 01:30 PM
I think they'd still be nasty to her if she wasn't of a different race, so I'd guess it was closer to bullying.. but that still doesn't make it right AT ALL!
GiRTh
17-01-2007, 01:30 PM
Originally posted by ttw
Originally posted by GRiT
Originally posted by ttw
Originally posted by GRiT
Originally posted by Sibley1234
no offence but if shilpa was white no one would even say that there was bullying in the house but because shes coloured everyones saying its racism!
WTH is up with you everyone?
Whether it's racism or not is not the issue. It is most definitely a case of acute and extreme ignorance towards somebody who's only offence is nothing more than being different from the people attacking her. It's ignorance which leads to prejudice which leads to racism.
But I don't think it is fair to say an ignorant person is a racist.
If someone is un/misinformed and unaware in a subject their judgements will be wrong but it doesn't make them racist.
Ignorance leads to racism. It's a fact. If somebody has been misimformed then it is up to them to listen and learn not to judge and belittle. I again go back to the person who pointed out that Shilpas culture is as much a mystery to Jermaine and Dirk as it is to Team ignorant. However, they are reacting in a different and more acceptable way.
Yes ignorance can lead to racism. But if you have no knowledge about another culture, and all you've seen is possibly from films or random bits you hear now and then your judgement is going to be misinformed. If we are unaware of something we automatically make assumptions on what we do know. She doesn't know what she is saying is wrong but she doesn't know what is right either. Yes, it is up to us to listen and learn and that is the best thing to do, but just because she hasn't it does not make her racist.
One of the comments Danielle has been referred to as being racist is when she has asked after a discussion about Shilpa fingering their food if it was in India or China that they ate with their hands... Now most people know that this is a stupid thing to say , but due to her ignorance she doesn't know that what she is saying isn't true and it is probably something she may have heard somewhere or seen somewhere, she also said she thought Winston Churchill was the first black president of America, again another stupid thing to say but not at all racist.
Have you all heard that they are burning effigys in India. This is getting big. It also proves how big a star Shilpa is.
My point is that what we're seeing here may or may not be racism. It is, however, extreme ignorance which, to me, is just as unnacceptable. Danielle Lloyd needs to be taught to listen and learn before opening up her potty mouth.
Ignorance of this sort should not have a platform no matter how entertaining it may seem at time, because it inevitable leads to pretty dodgy views on rather sensitive issue.
Originally posted by Elz_Belz
Shilpa has been the HM's ( Not all of them though!) target for both bullying and racism. Jack called her a '****' which is just a vile and evil thing to say, and the bitches have been bullying Shilpa, maybe not to her face as much, but behind her back they have a field day talking about her.
Allegedly
on_mercury
17-01-2007, 04:49 PM
If it was considerd bullying and nothing else then noone would even talk about skin colour. If the word "racism" never existed then it would be bullying and nothing else.
sungirl
17-01-2007, 05:00 PM
It is bullying .. but there is a hint of racism there [mabbe unintentional] but neither shud be tolerated
tanya_w_
17-01-2007, 06:03 PM
i realli think that all this claiming of racism is apsolutely rediculous!!!!!! it is stupid immature ppl hu get all hypa ova tiny lil comments been said and blow them out of proportion...things like this cause wars and stupid fights and arguments.....
if it wasn't 4 JERMAIN!!! tryin to drill it into Shilpas head that it was over her colour she would have never realised it....
jermain is the kind ov person in this world hu onli sees the colour in people uva wise he would never have realised himself ans shilpa were the onli coloured ppl in there.....
if ppl wna strt getting pafetik sayin ow they take the piss out of shilpas accent...i dnt see how they may have repeated it the way she sed...but didn't shilpa also take the mik out of how joe sed wale???? ...so correct me if im rong...shilpa is been jst as racist!!!
also wen jermain sed tat beacse of wer shilpa comes frm & her culutre she as more respect fro her family...so is he tryin to say the english girls in there dnt av ani respect becz der nt frm india!!!! the crank...bt see how ppll hu are frm british culture havn't rang up and complained been immature!!!!!
maybe jackie shudn't have referred to her as 'the idian' but at the end of the day...she wasn't sayin it been nasty every1 can see that and even davina laffed at her soooo....ooo dat mst meen davina n every1 in th studio is racist 2!!!!
its all completely pafetik and quiet francilly as realli pissed me offf!!!
comment bak if u disagree or agree bt tell me ur reezons!!
thank you xxx
Juelz
17-01-2007, 06:03 PM
its niether.
mansi
17-01-2007, 06:04 PM
I feel it's a severe form of bullying which is touching slightly upon racism. Point is both cannot be accpeted, but it is unfortunately
tanya_w_
17-01-2007, 06:14 PM
im jst rytin bak t elz_belz...
and i wud jst like to say if u find the meaning of bullying in a dictionary it says...
bullying: a blustering, quarrelsome, overbearing person who habitually badgers and intimidates smaller or weaker people.
[[if you have been watching properly all danielle, jo, and jayde have been doing is all bitched about her behind her back and been 2 faced but have only eva had discussions with shilpa about problems they have with her...and shilpa has had chance to speek her views bak.....and not once has shilpa eva clamied having a racist attack to herself...so.........]]
write bak x
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