Strangeways rooftop protest

[Kizzy]

A Strangeways prisoner who scaled a fence while stripped to just his underwear is into the second day of his apparent protest.

The prisoner, now known to be Stuart Horner, a convicted murderer who is serving 27 years inside for killing his uncle, has been on the roof since around 2pm on Sunday.

He shouted things to reporters and photographers throughout the night and members of the public gathered outside.

He also wrote a note his t-shirt saying: "It's not 1990 tell the Gov we've all had enough. Sort the whole system"

Police and prison riot officers have been keeping a watchful eye, as he clambers across roofs inside the Strangeways compound, causing damage along the way.

This morning Horner continued to shout and smash glass panes across the roofs, and claimed he would stay up there for '40 days and nights'.

Must be cold..... tiddler on the roof :hehe:

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/live-prisoner-protest-strangeways-rooftop-10047129

[AnnieK]

Oh dear......

[Kizzy]

He's right it isn't 1990 these tories don't give a toss, they'll send katie hopkins in with a rifle.
Dave wants to privatise the prisons so it won't get any better, they'll go the same way as the NHS run down until put into 'special measures'.

[JoshBB]

What is he protesting?

[Cherie]

At least he can protest unlike his uncle :idc:

[Kizzy]

What is he protesting?

1990...

Bill Gould, aged 32, said he had been in and out of nearly every jail in the country, but Strangeways was one of the worst. ‘The prison should have been burned down years ago. It is a barbaric regime ruled by brutality and drug abuse.’ He shouted at the protesters to hold out. ‘You’ll be battered and then banged for a long time when you come down. They did it to me when I was involved in a riot situation.’

He said he had been inside the Manchester jail five times and was not condemning all prison staff, only those who used drugs as a ‘liquid cosh because it was the only way for them to keep control.’

David Waddington, the Home Secretary, has agreed to meet leaders of the Prison Officers’ Association on Wednesday to hear their complaints about understaffing. '

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/apr/07/strangeways-prisons-protesters-music-archive-1990


Now...
The M.E.N. can reveal the catalogue of violence that has erupted in Strangeways over the last month as the jail reaches ‘boiling point’.

The prison has been simmering for several months due to an alleged staffing crisis and prisoners spending up to 23 hours locked up resulting in a spate of incidents.

In the last five weeks six staff and 23 prisoners have been assaulted and in the same period there have been 19 incidents of self harm.

A spokesman for the Prison Officers Association said the situation had reached ‘boiling point’.
The POA spokesman added: “Nationally the level of serious violence across the prison estate has risen dramatically. Serious assaults on staff are up 48 per cent in the last year according to the latest data from NOMS.

Within the High Security Estate, Manchester is a cause for most concern as the pressure to deliver more with less staff hits home.

“The year on year budget cuts and staff shortfalls across the prison estate are the main underlying cause to the increase in violence, low staff morale and prisoner unrest.

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/strangeways-prison-protest-violent-incidents-10051582

[kirklancaster]

As Cherie said;

"At least he can protest unlike his uncle".

One well trained sniper would solve this situation, prevent more expensive damage being caused, and save the tax-payer a lot of money in keeping this murderer in luxury for years to come.

Where's the problem? :shrug:

[kirklancaster]

1990...

Bill Gould, aged 32, said he had been in and out of nearly every jail in the country, but Strangeways was one of the worst. ‘The prison should have been burned down years ago. It is a barbaric regime ruled by brutality and drug abuse.’ He shouted at the protesters to hold out. ‘You’ll be battered and then banged for a long time when you come down. They did it to me when I was involved in a riot situation.’

He said he had been inside the Manchester jail five times and was not condemning all prison staff, only those who used drugs as a ‘liquid cosh because it was the only way for them to keep control.’

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/strangeways-prison-protest-violent-incidents-10051582

"Bill Gould, aged 32, said he had been in and out of nearly every jail in the country"

"He said he had been inside the Manchester jail five times"

And we are here CRITICISING THE PRISONS?

Strangeways is so barbaric, in human and intolerable, that this imbecilic waste of air has voluntarily been inside it 5 TIMES.

Do me a favour.

[Kizzy]

The problem is with the prison system and public services in general, that's the wider debate here if you shot him then would everything in the prison be hunky dory?
I'm going to be branded a 'bleeding heart' again I know but if you widen your perspective then it's easy to see that improving conditions in prisons is of the greatest benefit. I'm not saying have them in luxury by any means, my worry is for the staff... it's a pressure cooker and with assaults up 48% it proves the draconian measures aren't working.

[Kizzy]

"Bill Gould, aged 32, said he had been in and out of nearly every jail in the country"

"He said he had been inside the Manchester jail five times"

And we are here CRITICISING THE PRISONS?

Strangeways is so barbaric, in human and intolerable, that this imbecilic waste of air has voluntarily been inside it 5 TIMES.

Do me a favour.

I don't know I'm not getting into some deep discussion on social stratification, what this man has done with his life is not the issue here.

[kirklancaster]

I don't know I'm not getting into some deep discussion on social stratification, what this man has done with his life is not the issue here.

More to the point, is what this **** has done to SOMEONE ELSE'S life - he ended it violently.

[Kizzy]

More to the point, is what this **** has done to SOMEONE ELSE'S life - he ended it violently.

It's not the point, I understand your opinion on the protester.

[bots]

The point Kirk is making is that 5 times the man had the opportunity to turn his life around and not end up back in the "hell hole" If it really was so so bad, he would have made sure he didn't end up back there

[kirklancaster]

The problem is with the prison system and public services in general, that's the wider debate here if you shot him then would everything in the prison be hunky dory?
I'm going to be branded a 'bleeding heart' again I know but if you widen your perspective then it's easy to see that improving conditions in prisons is of the greatest benefit. I'm not saying have them in luxury by any means, my worry is for the staff... it's a pressure cooker and with assaults up 48% it proves the draconian measures aren't working.

Prisons are already virtual 'hotels' - which is exactly WHY guests keep returning. The average prisoner is better fed and kept warmer than the average Old Age Pensioner, and have access to free Television, PC's - you name it.

The untenable position within prisons has but one cause - weakness.

When discipline went out of the window 40 years or so ago, prisons quickly became a joke.

My heart is breaking.

[kirklancaster]

The point Kirk is making is that 5 times the man had the opportunity to turn his life around and not end up back in the "hell hole" If it really was so so bad, he would have made sure he didn't end up back there

Thank you BitOnTheSlide - I'm so glad you get it.

[Kizzy]

Yes it's a hotel that's why there are so many staff at risk :/

[kirklancaster]

Yes it's a hotel that's why there are so many staff at risk :/

Among many other examples of 'Prisoner Appeasement', Prison Officers in MANY prisons are now officially told to turn a 'blind eye' to drug dealing and usage so as not to 'endanger' the stability of the prison.

No prisoners are in jail for 'keeping to the rules' and 'respecting' them, so how do we expect the very worst of them to abide by prison rules without discipline, deterrent, and punishment?

Appeasement and weakness DO NOT WORK.

The 'bad guys' will always want more. Will always capitalise on weakness.

This is true in EVERY walk of life.

[Kizzy]

Among many other examples of 'Prisoner Appeasement', Prison Officers in MANY prisons are now officially told to turn a 'blind eye' to drug dealing and usage so as not to 'endanger' the stability of the prison.

No prisoners are in jail for 'keeping to the rules' and 'respecting' them, so how do we expect the very worst of them to abide by prison rules without discipline, deterrent, and punishment?

Appeasement and weakness DO NOT WORK.

The 'bad guys' will always want more. Will always capitalise on weakness.

This is true in EVERY walk of life.

Source?

[kirklancaster]

My primary sources are two Prison Officer friends and my brother who worked as a Senior Prison Officer for over 20 years at jails such as Armley and Wakefield and a book called 'Drugs In Prison' by Steve Gravett.

However, the internet is full of it:

www.rt.com/uk/235759-serco-corruption-allegations-drugs/

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/prisoner-had-birthday-sex-girlfriend-hospital-shower-while-prison-guards-turned-blind-eye-1517658

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jan/26/prisons-drugs-chris-grayling-zero-tolerance

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-31625243

[Kizzy]

My primary sources are two Prison Officer friends and my brother who worked as a Senior Prison Officer for over 20 years at jails such as Armley and Wakefield and a book called 'Drugs In Prison' by Steve Gravett.

However, the internet is full of it:

www.rt.com/uk/235759-serco-corruption-allegations-drugs/

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/prisoner-had-birthday-sex-girlfriend-hospital-shower-while-prison-guards-turned-blind-eye-1517658

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jan/26/prisons-drugs-chris-grayling-zero-tolerance

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-31625243

Your first link is to a privately run immigration centre not a prison, seeing as dave now wants prisons in the private sector then that's a good omen isn't it?
The last isn't a prison either but a privately run centre.

Non of the links address staffing issues which appear to be at the crux of the protest.

[kirklancaster]

Your first link is to a privately run immigration centre not a prison, seeing as dave now wants prisons in the private sector then that's a good omen isn't it?
The last isn't a prison either but a privately run centre.

Non of the links address staffing issues which appear to be at the crux of the protest.

I believe that you asked for my sources based on my claim that some prison officers are being officially told to turn a blind eye to drug dealing and usage etc, and now that I have answered you, you 'move the goalposts' onto 'Staffing Levels'

[Kizzy]

I believe that you asked for my sources based on my claim that some prison officers are being officially told to turn a blind eye to drug dealing and usage etc, and now that I have answered you, you 'move the goalposts' onto 'Staffing Levels'

And from the links you provided 2 are irrelevant and they are not prisons, one is about an inmate allegedly having sex in a shower whilst paralysed in hospital and another about Chris Grayling announcing a crackdown on drugs in prison... So where is this 'blind eye'?

I haven't moved any goal posts, my point all along has been staffing levels impacting on the prison system.

[Niamh.]

At least he can protest unlike his uncle :idc:

:clap1:

[smudgie]

Hope we are in for a cold spell, freeze the beggar then we taxpayers won't have to pay for his upkeep. :idc:

[Northern Monkey]

This is kind of embarrassing.I thought the police would have learned how to deal with these situations by now.They've had plenty of practice in the past.It's only one man ffs.

[Kizzy]

Boris could blast him off with a water cannon, that's what 'civilised' people do isn't it?

[Ashley.]

Ugh drown the ****, it's not the "gov"'s fault he murdered his uncle.

[Kazanne]

I have no time or sympathy for anyone who has taken a life especially cruel and premeditated murder ,and scum like this ,who didn't learn any lessons the first time should imo be left to rot , in shackles,on a bed of straw, with bread and water. I am still pissed at the money spent on the two scumbags who murdered James Bulger,we are far too soft,let that guy on that roof stay there and ignore him, but we wont,we'll be trying to beg him to get back inside and listen to his gripes.

[Kizzy]

We can't go backwards though can we, is that what people want 19th century prisons with Dickensian punishments?
'THE STATE OF OUR PRISONS IS A FAIR MEASURE OF THE STATE OF OUR SOCIETY. THE PRISON REFORM TRUST WORKS TO ENSURE THEY ARE JUST, HUMANE AND EFFECTIVE.'

http://www.prisonreformtrust.org.uk/

[Crimson Dynamo]

surely they can shoot him down?

[Wizard.]

I live across the road from this prison and I can hear him shouting all the time ugh

[kirklancaster]

I live across the road from this prison and I can hear him shouting all the time ugh

Can't YOU shoot him down Riley from your place? :laugh:

[Cherie]

He came down last night. I guess now the nights are turning chilly he realised it wasn't such a great idea :laugh:

[kirklancaster]

He came down last night. I guess now the nights are turning chilly he realised it wasn't such a great idea :laugh:

:laugh:

[arista]

surely they can shoot him down?



what a Dart gun?

[arista]

He came down last night. I guess now the nights are turning chilly he realised it wasn't such a great idea :laugh:


Yes Chilly Nights

[Kizzy]

Whitemoor prison in Cambridgeshire. Photograph: PA Photos/PA
Eric Allison
Friday 18 September 2015 19.07 BST Last modified on Friday 18 September 2015 19.29 BST
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Staffing cuts are to blame for disturbances in two separate prisons last weekend, the prison officers’ union has said. It warned of hidden costs to the cuts, saying that they were leading to some prisoners going unsupervised.

Prison riot squads had to storm a cell at the high-security Whitemoor prison in Cambridgeshire last weekend when a prisoner took a hostage. Negotiators failed to persuade the hostage-taker, who had flooded the cell and started fires, to end the siege, which lasted nine hours.

On the same day, riot squads ended a standoff involving 13 prisoners who erected barricades blocking two entrances to one of the wings at Garth prison, in Lancashire.

“Once again, we are seeing serious incidents which we believe are a result of staff cuts. These have resulted in a lack of purposeful activity and prisoners being unsupervised,” said Glyn Travis, spokesman for the Prison Officers Association. “Such incidents were costly and involve detailed investigations by the prison service and the police. These are the hidden costs of the cuts to the taxpayers.”

Two more incidents that show failings brought about by cuts to the prison service.


http://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/sep/18/prison-officers-union-blames-cuts-for-disturbances-among-inmates

[Kizzy]

Here is an update on our civilised prison system.

''Dozens of prisoners have been released by mistake, official figures from the Ministry of Justice (MoJ) have revealed, and prison violence has surged to a new high.

In 2016-17, 71 convicted criminals or suspects were mistakenly freed, a rise of seven on the previous year and the highest number since current records began a decade ago. It means inmates were released in error at a rate of more than one a week.

The number of violent incidents across the prisons estate in England and Wales has also reached new levels. There were 26,643 assaults in the year to March, including a record 7,159 attacks on staff, equating to 20 a day.

Of the mistaken releases, 58 were from prison establishments and 13 were during escort or at courts. Prisoners released in error are not considered to be unlawfully at large, according to an MoJ report setting out the figures.''

Serious assaults on staff have trebled since 2013.


https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/jul/27/prisoners-released-by-mistake-amid-surge-violence-england-wales-prisons