View Full Version : Would you get with a married person if they came on to you in the BB house?
armand.kay
18-09-2015, 01:45 AM
Jw :suspect:
Jake.
18-09-2015, 01:46 AM
well, I don't know :laugh:
Xtopher
18-09-2015, 01:56 AM
No. I would completely judge that person if they do too.
Gstar
18-09-2015, 01:58 AM
Nope
Daniel.
18-09-2015, 01:58 AM
Yeah if we liked eachother and they were hot x
Yes my fans would expect it.
Dollface
18-09-2015, 02:04 AM
i wanna say no but i think it's a yes
Mystic Mock
18-09-2015, 02:05 AM
I like to think that I wouldn't.:laugh:
Gstar
18-09-2015, 02:06 AM
Can we move this to chat and games
armand.kay
18-09-2015, 02:21 AM
Can you stop being a vicious bloke
armand.kay
18-09-2015, 02:22 AM
It's in regards to jaustin and bb so you can stay perched on my diq
Jack_
18-09-2015, 02:22 AM
I would have to like them enough, but probably. Would be a bit wary of it being on TV what with all the undeserved hatred you'd receive but oh well
The single party in instances of cheating are absolved of any blame, unless they know the person that's being cheated on...but even then, still not their wrongdoing
BENDERBOY
18-09-2015, 02:24 AM
If it was Austin, yeah, in a heartbeat.
poppsywoppsy
18-09-2015, 08:12 AM
If it was George Clooney, in a heartbeat.........Sorry Amal
Liam-
18-09-2015, 08:53 AM
No, I think that's trashy af, while it would be the married person being wrong, I'd be disgusted in myself if I knowingly got with a married person in the real world, even more so on national tv.
Wizard.
18-09-2015, 08:59 AM
No! If they're doing it to the person they're married to now then they will cheat on you in the future!
Crimson Dynamo
18-09-2015, 09:09 AM
No
cheating is a disgusting business:nono:
is a handjob cheating?
Black Dagger
18-09-2015, 09:44 AM
I've not been laid for 4 years ofc I would :idc:
Niamh.
18-09-2015, 10:03 AM
Lucas :nono:
Will.
18-09-2015, 10:05 AM
http://static.tellymix.co.uk/wp-content/blogs.dir/1/files/2014/07/BB_Steven13-250x250.jpg
Jake.
18-09-2015, 10:07 AM
OH I've just got what you mean
No, that's nasty
Jason.
18-09-2015, 10:10 AM
No. I think that's vile. Not only is the person married, but also the idea of meeting them on a trashy reality show :umm2:
Jason.
18-09-2015, 10:12 AM
No, I think that's trashy af, while it would be the married person being wrong, I'd be disgusted in myself if I knowingly got with a married person in the real world, even more so on national tv.
tbh
Black Dagger
18-09-2015, 10:12 AM
Lucas :nono:
A man has needs!
Jason.
18-09-2015, 10:13 AM
A man has needs!
:joker:
Jordan.
18-09-2015, 11:18 AM
https://38.media.tumblr.com/dcc8a1659b6911663fd53d89ee2dc303/tumblr_mwzoo22SYU1sqd6mao4_250.gif
Daniel.
18-09-2015, 11:21 AM
Yes
Daniel_, goldensunlight, Jordan., Rob!, windyourneckin, _LucasMichael_
not us the only people being honest :idc:..
Niamh.
18-09-2015, 11:27 AM
No
armand.kay, BB6, Beau, Dezzy, Germyle, jet, joeysteele, LeatherTrumpet, LukeB, Mystic Mock, Natalie., Niamh., RichardG, Riley95, SharkAttack, Shaun, Xtopher
Not us the only people with some class :idc:
Daniel.
18-09-2015, 11:28 AM
I'm classy af :idc:
Niamh.
18-09-2015, 11:29 AM
Home wreckers aren't classy :nono:
goldensunlight
18-09-2015, 12:23 PM
Yeah. If they're the one that's married it's their problem, not yours.
Yeah. If they're the one that's married it's their problem, not yours.
If you know the person is married you can't absolve yourself from taking some of the blame. It's your choice to go there.
Daniel.
18-09-2015, 01:08 PM
Yeah. If they're the one that's married it's their problem, not yours.
tbh.
Lostie!
18-09-2015, 01:10 PM
I would have to like them enough, but probably. Would be a bit wary of it being on TV what with all the undeserved hatred you'd receive but oh well
The single party in instances of cheating are absolved of any blame, unless they know the person that's being cheated on...but even then, still not their wrongdoing
I don't think it would be undeserved at all. :laugh:
And anyone who knowingly gets with a married person is just as much in the wrong as the married person, in my opinion. I don't think they deserve to be absolved of anything, they've been just as complicit in hurting and disrespecting someone as the other person.
Anyway, my answer is no. :laugh:
Home wreckers aren't classy :nono:
:clap1:
Niamh.
18-09-2015, 01:13 PM
I don't think it would be undeserved at all. :laugh:
And anyone who knowingly gets with a married person is just as much in the wrong as the married person, in my opinion. I don't think they deserve to be absolved of anything, they've been just as complicit in hurting and disrespecting someone as the other person.
Anyway, my answer is no. :laugh:
:clap1:
Absolutely agree. I think if you either go through or witness someone you love going through the complete devastation cheating can cause some people might have a change of opinion on it
Jack_
18-09-2015, 01:31 PM
I don't think it would be undeserved at all. :laugh:
And anyone who knowingly gets with a married person is just as much in the wrong as the married person, in my opinion. I don't think they deserve to be absolved of anything, they've been just as complicit in hurting and disrespecting someone as the other person.
But they are also single, and free to do as they wish. Seriously, I get so sick of seeing the single party in instances of cheating being blamed more than the actual person who cheated. Like if a guy cheated on his girlfriend with some girl they knew, the girl will direct all the blame at the 'home wrecking slut' and let her boyfriend off the hook. It's absolute nonsense.
I am not saying it's nice to knowingly get with someone you know is taken, it is certainly very nasty and leaves that person with questionable morals - but at the end of the day they are single, and are free to do whatever they wish. If a person who is taken is prepared to cheat, that is their problem and their problem only. It's like people who chastised Helen Wood for nearly 'ruining' Wayne Rooney's marriage. No, **** that ****, she was paid to do a job by a taken man who willingly wanted to cheat, that is his problem and no one else's.
This culture of blaming the single person and quite often absolving the cheater of any blame has to stop. If you are single, you can do what you want. Sure, it's not morally right to go ahead and get with someone you know is taken, but you are still free to do that. The cheater does not. And is absolutely the only one deserving of any blame. At all.
Niamh.
18-09-2015, 01:34 PM
I don't think a single person who voted No on that Poll would say that the married person isn't more to blame Jack.
Lostie!
18-09-2015, 01:34 PM
But they are also single, and free to do as they wish. Seriously, I get so sick of seeing the single party in instances of cheating being blamed more than the actual person who cheated. Like if a guy cheated on his girlfriend with some girl they knew, the girl will direct all the blame at the 'home wrecking slut' and let her boyfriend off the hook. It's absolute nonsense.
I am not saying it's nice to knowingly get with someone you know is taken, it is certainly very nasty and leaves that person with questionable morals - but at the end of the day they are single, and are free to do whatever they wish. If a person who is taken is prepared to cheat, that is their problem and their problem only. It's like people who chastised Helen Wood for nearly 'ruining' Wayne Rooney's marriage. No, **** that ****, she was paid to do a job by a taken man who willingly wanted to cheat, that is his problem and no one else's.
This culture of blaming the single person and quite often absolving the cheater of any blame has to stop. If you are single, you can do what you want. Sure, it's not morally right to go ahead and get with someone you know is taken, but you are still free to do that. The cheater does not. And is absolutely the only one deserving of any blame. At all.
Sure, they're "free" to do as they wish, there's no law against it. That doesn't make it a morally decent thing to do. And I never said the single person should get all the blame, I specifically said they should be equally held accountable.
Sorry but I'm never going to agree with you that the "bit on the side" (lord knows why anybody would want to be that anyway) is completely undeserving of blame. It takes two to tango, and both of the two should face the responsibilites for hurting someone (because they both did).
Knowingly getting with a married person is, in my opinon, a terrible thing to do and that person is no better, in any way, than the actual cheater. I actually have no respect whatsoever for either party, and I feel no problem in saying that.
Crimson Dynamo
18-09-2015, 01:39 PM
being unfaithful is not a good look and will eat at your soul and mark your life
is no one watching Doctor Foster?
Poor Suranne
:worry:
Jack_
18-09-2015, 01:44 PM
Sure, they're "free" to do as they wish, there's no law against it. That doesn't make it a morally decent thing to do. And I never said the single person should get all the blame, I specifically said they should be equally held accountable.
Sorry but I'm never going to agree with you that the "bit on the side" (lord knows why anybody would want to be that anyway) is completely undeserving of blame. It takes two to tango, and both of the two should face the responsibilites for hurting someone (because they both did).
Knowingly getting with a married person is, in my opinon, a terrible thing to do and that person is no better, in any way, than the actual cheater. I actually have no respect whatsoever for either party, and I feel no problem in saying that.
Of course it's not a morally decent thing to do, that still doesn't make it anywhere near on the same level as someone who is in a relationship, and willingly jeopardises that relationship by cheating. The single person has absolutely nothing to lose or risk themselves, and therefore the action they are taking is a lot more justifiable.
There is also a lot of sexism rooted in patriarchy with this issue. As I said, the term 'homewrecker' stems from that and is used by females to abuse the woman who got with their partner, when really they should be directing their anger straight at their partner. It's this underlying notion of 'well, boys will be boys!' and 'a padlock can only be opened by one key but a master key will open many padlocks' and it just has to stop. Obviously there are taken women who cheat too, but a lot of these attitudes stem from sexist beliefs like this. And that makes it even worse, and even more important that it is stopped.
Think that the single person deserves some blame all you want, on that I still disagree, but I absolutely refute the idea they deserve the same amount. One is single, one has put their own relationship at risk. The two are completely different situations.
Daniel.
18-09-2015, 01:46 PM
I agree with Jack, I would never cheat on my partner with someone if I was in a relationship on the outside, but if I was single and we liked each other? Then yes, I would go for it..
Jake.
18-09-2015, 01:48 PM
Jordan voting yes when he chastised Hazel for doing the same in BB14
Daniel.
18-09-2015, 01:49 PM
Hazel didn't do anything wrong.
Jake.
18-09-2015, 01:50 PM
Hazel didn't do anything wrong.
I wasn't saying she had
Daniel.
18-09-2015, 01:51 PM
"Hazel did the same"
No she didn't, Daley told her he was single, from what I remember.
Niamh.
18-09-2015, 01:52 PM
Hazel didn't do anything wrong.
tbf Daley told her he was single although he wasn't overly convincing with that
Daniel.
18-09-2015, 01:54 PM
Gina's obsession with Hazel was annoying af :bored: she's still better than hazel tho
Lostie!
18-09-2015, 01:54 PM
Of course it's not a morally decent thing to do, that still doesn't make it anywhere near on the same level as someone who is in a relationship, and willingly jeopardises that relationship by cheating. The single person has absolutely nothing to lose or risk themselves, and therefore the action they are taking is a lot more justifiable.
Pursuing a relationship with a married person will never ever be "justifiable" to me. In any way. People can tell themselves they're doing nothing wrong because they're not the one in the relationship but that's just a load of twaddle to make themselves feel better about the horrible thing they're doing, in my eyes.
There is also a lot of sexism rooted in patriarchy with this issue. As I said, the term 'homewrecker' stems from that and is used by females to abuse the woman who got with their partner, when really they should be directing their anger straight at their partner. It's this underlying notion of 'well, boys will be boys!' and 'a padlock can only be opened by one key but a master key will open many padlocks' and it just has to stop. Obviously there are taken women who cheat too, but a lot of these attitudes stem from sexist beliefs like this. And that makes it even worse, and even more important that it is stopped.
Yeah but none of this applies to my stance on the subject. I'm happy to call a male "bit on the side" a homewrecker too.
Think that the single person deserves some blame all you want, on that I still disagree, but I absolutely refute the idea they deserve the same amount. One is single, one has put their own relationship at risk. The two are completely different situations.
Okay, so in the cases when an affair completely destroys a family, the "other person" isn't deserving of a single ounce of blame for that? None at all? Well I don't understand that notion whatsoever, since the affair was perpetuated by two people.
Quite frankly imo, the one thing that makes someone who pursues a relationship with a married person worse is one who refuses to accept their share of the blame. We'll have to agree to disagree since we're clearly on entirely opposite sides of the spectrum on this debate.
Crimson Dynamo
18-09-2015, 01:54 PM
Hazel was lovely
Disgusting Daley and Gina were filth
Jack_
18-09-2015, 01:55 PM
I agree with Jack, I would never cheat on my partner with someone if I was in a relationship on the outside, but if I was single and we liked each other? Then yes, I would go for it..
Indeed, I actually find it repugnant on shows like these. I can totally understand liking someone in the house and all your emotions would be be heightened and accelerated, but at least wait until you get off a bloody TV show before you do anything.
I would have to seriously, seriously like someone before I considered getting with them because my conscience would be restraining me, even moreso on national television, but as a single person I would be totally free to do that. Not my problem.
Daniel.
18-09-2015, 01:59 PM
:clap1:
I guess this makes me awful in some eyes but i really wouldn't see it as my problem and get on with it :laugh:
Niamh.
18-09-2015, 01:59 PM
Hazel was lovely
Disgusting Daley and Gina were filth
I agree :love:
Indeed, I actually find it repugnant on shows like these. I can totally understand liking someone in the house and all your emotions would be be heightened and accelerated, but at least wait until you get off a bloody TV show before you do anything.
I would have to seriously, seriously like someone before I considered getting with them because my conscience would be restraining me, even moreso on national television, but as a single person I would be totally free to do that. Not my problem.
I know I already said this Jack but I think if you had actual experience of just how devastating cheating can be on a person and whole families maybe you would be able to empathise more with the (for lack of a better word) victim, even if you're the single person.
Natalie.
18-09-2015, 02:00 PM
No,I wouldn't want to hurt their partner.
goldensunlight
18-09-2015, 02:00 PM
If you know the person is married you can't absolve yourself from taking some of the blame. It's your choice to go there.
It's your choice, but if you're single then so what? You're not making the married person 'get with' you, it's their choice alone and so they should have to face the consequences, not the person who is free to do as they wish.
Hazel was lovely
Disgusting Daley and Gina were filth
:clap1:
Daniel.
18-09-2015, 02:01 PM
Gina was an icon
http://images.yuku.com/image/gif/7333687f37c0af2dd9b4edc464450cff6c9c47b1_r.gif
Lostie!
18-09-2015, 02:03 PM
It's your choice, but if you're single then so what? You're not making the married person 'get with' you, it's their choice alone and so they should have to face the consequences, not the person who is free to do as they wish.
And that's my entire point of people just trying to dodge facing the concequences of their actions.
If you got with a married person and their family was completely torn apart, you would absolutely be as much to blame for that as the married person. Tell yourself otherwise as much as you want, but unless the married person has been having an affair with an imaginary person, there are always two people to blame for what has happened.
Jack_
18-09-2015, 02:04 PM
Pursuing a relationship with a married person will never ever be "justifiable" to me. In any way. People can tell themselves they're doing nothing wrong because they're not the one in the relationship but that's just a load of twaddle to make themselves feel better about the horrible thing they're doing, in my eyes.
But they aren't the one in a relationship, so it isn't 'twaddle', it's true. If you are single, you can get with whoever you want, whenever you want, as many times as you want. It doesn't matter what anyone else thinks, so long as you are not jeopardising a relationship with or hurting someone you made a commitment to yourself, your actions are much more justifiable than the ones who did.
Are you a bit of an inconsiderate ****? Sure. Are your morals questionable? Sure. But have you cheated on someone yourself? No, which is the worst part of any instances of cheating. No other immoral actions come close to the direct issue of cheating on someone you made a commitment to.
Yeah but none of this applies to my stance on the subject. I'm happy to call a male "bit on the side" a homewrecker too.
It absolutely applies because this culture and attitude is what it stems from, sexism and patriarchy. Prostitutes being blamed for ruining relationships when they were just doing their job, single women being abused and being called 'homewreckers' by the girlfriend while the man gets let off the hook. Disgusting nonsense that has to stop.
Okay, so in the cases when an affair completely destroys a family, the "other person" isn't deserving of a single ounce of blame for that? None at all? Well I don't understand that notion whatsoever, since the affair was perpetuated by two people.
Quite frankly imo, the one thing that makes someone who pursues a relationship with a married person worse is one who refuses to accept their share of the blame. We'll have to agree to disagree since we're clearly on entirely opposite sides of the spectrum on this debate.
Not at all, because they were not the one in a relationship. They never made a commitment to anyone, and as such, are a free agent allowed to do what they wish. It is no one's responsibility but your own to not cheat on your partner. Relationships are two-way bubble, if yours is ruined it is your fault and your fault only. No outsider can play any part in your relationship and the responsibility you have to respect them and not to cheat on them.
Headie
18-09-2015, 02:05 PM
Depends how much their appearance fee is http://i55.tinypic.com/m7co6s.jpg
Niamh.
18-09-2015, 02:07 PM
There's no law against cheating on your partner either Jack, that's as much a moral issue as being single and sleeping with a married person. Both are scummy things to do, I agree that one is worse than the other, but both are scumbags imo
Jack_
18-09-2015, 02:09 PM
I know I already said this Jack but I think if you had actual experience of just how devastating cheating can be on a person and whole families maybe you would be able to empathise more with the (for lack of a better word) victim, even if you're the single person.
I think I understand what you're saying, so if a single person had previously had some experience of seeing how awful cheating was, they would be less likely to get with someone who was in a relationship because of it?
I get that, and that is probably true and would if anything make their decision to go along with it even worse, but I still think they're absolved of most, if not all of the blame. And for the people who've never experienced that, well, they know no differently do they...but it's still not them who are jeopardising a relationship that they themselves have
goldensunlight
18-09-2015, 02:09 PM
And that's my entire point of people just trying to dodge facing the concequences of their actions.
If you got with a married person and their family was completely torn apart, you would absolutely be as much to blame for that as the married person. Tell yourself otherwise as much as you want, but unless the married person has been having an affair with an imaginary person, there are always two people to blame for what has happened.
I disagree. You don't know these people or have any connection to them, so I fail to see how you are to blame for their actions of cheating on someone.
I guess we just have very different opinions on this. :laugh:
Lostie!
18-09-2015, 02:11 PM
But they aren't the one in a relationship, so it isn't 'twaddle', it's true. If you are single, you can get with whoever you want, whenever you want, as many times as you want. It doesn't matter what anyone else thinks, so long as you are not jeopardising a relationship with or hurting someone you made a commitment to yourself, your actions are much more justifiable than the ones who did.
Are you a bit of an inconsiderate ****? Sure. Are your morals questionable? Sure. But have you cheated on someone yourself? No, which is the worst part of any instances of cheating. No other immoral actions come close to the direct issue of cheating on someone you made a commitment to.
So in a nutshell, it's "justifiable" to be a part of hurting and utterly disrespecting someone if it's not somebody you've made a commitment to? It's "justifiable" to play a role in possible destroying a family because you're not the one who made a promise to them?
It absolutely applies because this culture and attitude is what it stems from, sexism and patriarchy. Prostitutes being blamed for ruining relationships when they were just doing their job, single women being abused and being called 'homewreckers' by the girlfriend while the man gets let off the hook. Disgusting nonsense that has to stop.
Jack, I said it doesn't apply to me, my opinion on the matter has absolutely nothing to do with all of this. Sure, there are people who blame the other person more than the married person but I'm not one of them. I've explained my stance on it very clearly more than once.
Not at all, because they were not the one in a relationship. They never made a commitment to anyone, and as such, are a free agent allowed to do what they wish. It is no one's responsibility but your own to not cheat on your partner. Relationships are two-way bubble, if yours is ruined it is your fault and your fault only. No outsider can play any part in your relationship and the responsibility you have to respect them and not to cheat on them.
Yeah, there's clearly nothing more for us to discuss on the matter, I don't understand this view on the matter whatsoever, and to be honest I hope I never do.
Lostie!
18-09-2015, 02:12 PM
I disagree. You don't know these people or have any connection to them, so I fail to see how you are to blame for their actions of cheating on someone.
I guess we just have very different opinions on this. :laugh:
I'm unsure why it's suddenly okay to contribute to treating someone like crap just because you don't know them (but even that isn't true in all cases of cheating, plenty of times the bit on the side does know them).
And yes, we clearly do. If someone doesn't understand the principle of their actions playing a role, there's nothing more I can (or wish to) say to them about it.
Jack_
18-09-2015, 02:13 PM
Also, the flip side of the argument that allowing the single person to be absolved of any blame is 'just giving them a useful excuse to justify their actions' is that by allowing the single person to take some of the blame, you are also giving the cheater free reign to say 'well they went along with it! They got with me! They were attractive how could I help myself :( they didn't try to stop me :(:(:(' which is absolute ****ing nonsense. It's like dropping 50% of the blame on the cheater and handing it over to the single person, giving them somewhat a justification for the fact that they disrespected their own partner.
Daniel.
18-09-2015, 02:13 PM
Because it has nothing to do with you? Like, i don't know the person so im not eally ruining it for them, their partner is...
Lostie!
18-09-2015, 02:13 PM
Because it has nothing to do with you? Like, i don't know the person so im not eally ruining it for them, their partner is...
But you are though, both people involved are. They can't have an affair with themselves.
Niamh.
18-09-2015, 02:16 PM
I think I understand what you're saying, so if a single person had previously had some experience of seeing how awful cheating was, they would be less likely to get with someone who was in a relationship because of it?
I get that, and that is probably true and would if anything make their decision to go along with it even worse, but I still think they're absolved of most, if not all of the blame. And for the people who've never experienced that, well, they know no differently do they...but it's still not them who are jeopardising a relationship that they themselves have
Yeah that's what I mean.
Being "absolved of blame" again is pretty subjective here as it's a moral issue so who is really the judge of that?
I agree if the married person is prepared to cheat with you, then they'll probably be prepared to cheat with someone else too but I believe we're all responsible for own actions and you would be having respect for both the innocent party (the married persons spouse) and for yourself by not being a part of that cheating. Not to mention the fact that if you yourself were going to get into a relationship with them then it's not a good advertisement of how they treat their partner and if it's just a sex thing that's meaningless.....doesn't that make you even more callous to be a part of hurting a person so badly just for a meaningless shag?
Jack_
18-09-2015, 02:20 PM
So in a nutshell, it's "justifiable" to be a part of hurting and utterly disrespecting someone if it's not somebody you've made a commitment to? It's "justifiable" to play a role in possible destroying a family because you're not the one who made a promise to them?
You are twisting this to make it look like I think such actions are morally right, or actions of a nice person. I'm not, I have made that clear.
But is it justifiable to get with someone that you like, when you are not in a relationship and are not hurting anyone that you made a commitment to? Yes, because you are free to do so.
Jack, I said it doesn't apply to me, my opinion on the matter has absolutely nothing to do with all of this. Sure, there are people who blame the other person more than the married person but I'm not one of them. I've explained my stance on it very clearly more than once.
It's not just blaming them more than the cheater though, it's blaming them at all. It's just that the latter often results in the former. The victims of cheating need to direct their anger straight at the person who went against the terms of their relationship, and no one else. Passing or sharing the blame out just gives the cheater an opportunity to defend their actions, and opens the door for this ridiculous sexism I've highlighted to rear its ugly head. It has to stop.
Yeah, there's clearly nothing more for us to discuss on the matter, I don't understand this view on the matter whatsoever, and to be honest I hope I never do.
Likewise, I hope I'm not ever complicit in facilitating patriarchy, or allowing someone who has cheated and broken the terms of a serious commitment they made to their partner to be given an opportunity to justify their behaviour.
Niamh.
18-09-2015, 02:22 PM
Also, the flip side of the argument that allowing the single person to be absolved of any blame is 'just giving them a useful excuse to justify their actions' is that by allowing the single person to take some of the blame, you are also giving the cheater free reign to say 'well they went along with it! They got with me! They were attractive how could I help myself :( they didn't try to stop me :(:(:(' which is absolute ****ing nonsense. It's like dropping 50% of the blame on the cheater and handing it over to the single person, giving them somewhat a justification for the fact that they disrespected their own partner.
Well no because none of this stuff is actually illegal so us agreeing or disagreeing on the subject isn't going to change how individual couples deal with a cheating situation. If a person wants to blame the 3rd party and not their partner they're probably doing it because they don't want to break up and want to take their anger out on someone who isn't the person sharing their bed
Also, just because you think the 3rd person is a scummy person doesn't mean you take any blame off the cheater
No! I actually cannot stand cheaters.
Jake.
18-09-2015, 02:24 PM
"Hazel did the same"
No she didn't, Daley told her he was single, from what I remember.
Yes, as in doing the same as what she supposedly did. I'm completely in agreeance regarding Hazel, Daley switched between being in a relationship/being single pretty much every day and got off far too lightly given that he was the one in a relationship.
Dollface
18-09-2015, 02:33 PM
This is an interesting discussion tbh. I haven't voted on the poll yet because I honestly don't know whether i'd do something like that or not. Part of me thinks it's horrible (hello, girl code) but another part of me thinks, what if I really, really, really liked this person? I definitely 100% wouldn't sleep with them, but i'm not sure about a wee kiss.
Lostie!
18-09-2015, 02:37 PM
You are twisting this to make it look like I think such actions are morally right, or actions of a nice person. I'm not, I have made that clear.
But is it justifiable to get with someone that you like, when you are not in a relationship and are not hurting anyone that you made a commitment to? Yes, because you are free to do so.
I twisted nothing, I used the word "justifiable" that you yourself did.
It's not just blaming them more than the cheater though, it's blaming them at all. It's just that the latter often results in the former. The victims of cheating need to direct their anger straight at the person who went against the terms of their relationship, and no one else. Passing or sharing the blame out just gives the cheater an opportunity to defend their actions, and opens the door for this ridiculous sexism I've highlighted to rear its ugly head. It has to stop.
Likewise, I hope I'm not ever complicit in facilitating patriarchy, or allowing someone who has cheated and broken the terms of a serious commitment they made to their partner to be given an opportunity to justify their behaviour.
I honesly fail to see why simply holding two people accountable for their actions amounts to "facilitating patriarchy", sexism and allowing the cheater to jutsify their actions whatsoever, and to be honest I'm insulted by that suggestion. :unsure:
As I've said, numerous times now (and after this time I refuse to say it again), my stance is utterly irregardless of gender. If two people have an affair, both people deserve to be blamed imo, and that goes for a man and a woman (and both ways, regardless of which is the married one), two men, two women, anybody.
And that's certainly not a way to absolve the cheater of any responsibility because I never once said the other person should take any of their blame. Each of them should take their own, neither deserves to be absolved of any of it. Neither has done something that is in any way "justifiable" imo.
Dominic
18-09-2015, 02:41 PM
No.
goldensunlight
18-09-2015, 03:09 PM
I'm unsure why it's suddenly okay to contribute to treating someone like crap just because you don't know them (but even that isn't true in all cases of cheating, plenty of times the bit on the side does know them).
And yes, we clearly do. If someone doesn't understand the principle of their actions playing a role, there's nothing more I can (or wish to) say to them about it.
It depends on the situation, but if it was on Big Brother there's a high chance you won't know their other half. I don't really see it as 'treating someone like crap' either, providing you're not the one doing the cheating. Besides, if it were somebody I'd never met in my life I would have no connection/feelings towards them and I feel if this person was somebody I was really into, it wouldn't bother me personally.
Wizard.
18-09-2015, 03:19 PM
The people who say "yes" have no moral compass, no boundaries and are probably insecure. Theirs plenty of good looking single people out there, go find them!
Crimson Dynamo
18-09-2015, 03:23 PM
i suspect its just youth and inexperience
Wizard.
18-09-2015, 03:27 PM
i suspect its just youth and inexperience
I'm young so...
Liam-
18-09-2015, 03:44 PM
Knowingly getting with someone whos married or in a relationship, on television or not is classless and one of the trashiest acts possible imo.
EspeonBB
18-09-2015, 03:48 PM
I couldn't get with someone if they were committed to someone else no
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