Being honest/speaking your mind?

[Johnnyuk123]

Q: Does speaking your mind on the forum equate to being warned/banned or your new thread being deleted for no reason at all by those above you? Is freedom of speach now dead?

[MB.]

A: Yes

[Crimson Dynamo]

One has to play the game

[MB.]

(to the first question, no to the second)

[kirklancaster]

It depends who is doing the 'free-speaking' to be honest.

[Liam-]

It probably depends on what you're being 'honest' about and whether it borders on hate speech or not

[Johnnyuk123]

It probably depends on what you're being 'honest' about and whether it borders on hate speech or not

So if i say i hate coffee but love tea that warrants a warning?

[Kate!]

Hmmm

[Liam-]

So if i say i hate coffee but love tea that warrants a warning?

That's not really what I meant but sure

[Johnnyuk123]

That's not really what I meant but sure

btw i love green tea and hate lemon tea.:wavey:

[Ninastar]

I'll be totally honest about things I'm passionate about and involve myself in threads, but I hold myself back from being completely honest when there is drama and stuff, because I know I'd get banned for the stuff I said to some people, lol.

So yeah, there's a time and a place and if it warrants a warning, it's best not to say it.

[Johnnyuk123]

I'll be totally honest about things I'm passionate about and involve myself in threads, but I hold myself back from being completely honest when there is drama and stuff, because I know I'd get banned for the stuff I said to some people, lol.

So yeah, there's a time and a place and if it warrants a warning, it's best not to say it.

Thanks for that. It's good to know that people are aware that honesty is not always welcomed on many forums. :wavey:

[Ninastar]

I wouldn't say that honesty isnt welcome on a forum, i'd just call it 'holding yourself back'. You might want to punch the **** out of someone in real life, but you don't because you know you could end up in jail. It's the same but an internet version, lol.

[JoshBB]

There's a difference between holding an opinion, and being unnecessarily rude/nasty to people.

Nastiness is too often cloaked as 'honesty' these days, with Katie Hopkins being a prime example of that.

[Cherie]

It depends who is doing the 'free-speaking' to be honest.

:hehe:

[Johnnyuk123]

I wouldn't say that honesty isnt welcome on a forum, i'd just call it 'holding yourself back'. You might want to punch the **** out of someone in real life, but you don't because you know you could end up in jail. It's the same but an internet version, lol.

Thanks for the feedback Chaos. I feel that honesty is the blood line to a great forum, Having to reign it in before you type/post anything on any forum to me detracts from what a forum is actually about. Freedon of speech and all that etc.. But that is just my own personal view point of it.:wavey:

[Johnnyuk123]

There's a difference between holding an opinion, and being unnecessarily rude/nasty to people.

Nastiness is too often cloaked as 'honesty' these days, with Katie Hopkins being a prime example of that.

I agree 100% But honesty must be looked upon as a good thing on forums surely?

[JoshBB]

I agree 100% But honesty must be looked upon as a good thing on forums surely?

Yeah I mean there's no point in people saying only what they think others want to hear.. I still wouldn't agree with people being allowed to hypothetically post openly racist things though, for example.

[Johnnyuk123]

If someone makes a negative thread about the Labour parties new leader and then makes another negative thread about God that both equally offends everyone does that give the right to a forum mod to delete only one of those threads they disagree with but not both? Both caused offence but only one gets deleted. Is that morally fair?

[Josy]

Honestly is a great thing but it's easy to be honest and respectful of other people at the same time and freedom of speech is not absolute and should be used responsibly.

[Johnnyuk123]

Honestly is a great thing but it's easy to be honest and respectful of other people at the same time and freedom of speech is not absolute and should be used responsibly.

I agree Josy 100 % :wavey:

[Josy]

If someone makes a negative thread about the Labour parties new leader and then makes another negative thread about God that both equally offends everyone does that give the right to a forum mod to delete only one of those threads they disagree with but not both? Both caused offence but only one gets deleted. Is that morally fair?

You are asking different questions here, it may not be morally right to you but the mod/admin that is dealing with it may think otherwise.

Not sure about other forums but our rules clearly state that forum staff can remove any of your posts/threads at any time without giving you a reason.

[Johnnyuk123]

You are asking different questions here, it may not be morally right to you but the mod/admin that is dealing with it may think otherwise.

Not sure about other forums but our rules clearly state that forum staff can remove any of your posts/threads at any time without giving you a reason.

You can remove a thread without reason? Is that fair?

[Josy]

You can remove a thread without reason? Is that fair?

I never said without reason. I said without giving you a reason.

[Johnnyuk123]

I never said without reason. I said without giving you a reason.

Same thing to me Josy. TBH if i or others were given a reason on whatever post was banned it could only help.:wavey:

[Johnnyuk123]

Personally....I don't think for a nano second that anyone on her for instance posts in the hope of being banned. They are just expressing themselves.

[Johnnyuk123]

Expression should be welcomed from all walks of life.

[Ammi]

..freedom of speech is always a funny old thing..by definition, freedom has no boundaries..so no rules to apply really...I think we've all seen the movies and know how a 'no rule' society would be/'lawlessness', well it wouldn't be a society at all, that's the point because rules are an essential part of society..so from an early age, there would be no need for parents to guide/schools and mentors to guide etc in self discipline, social acceptability etc ..we can all just say what we want without any consequence...yes darling, you can say that Freddie next door is an ugly this, this and this because that's what I think he is as well so that's the honesty of it...yes, you can insult and abuse that little chap sitting next to you in class because that's what you feel, so you're just being an honest little guy...and then obviously in turn...because we're not perfection or above judgement ourselves, that little chap sitting next to us in class will abuse and insult us also..because obviously he has the same freedoms to do so...and so it goes on and on and on...and the results of it all..'the outcome' I guess is that it can no longer be a society...

...obviously we now have 'internet societies' as well..which we didn't always have back in the day...internet societies/internet communities/internet forums, which are really exactly the same as 'real life'...we can have no rules, we can all have equal freedom ...but be careful what you wish for, I think because you're taking away all boundaries and acceptability as well...'freedom of speech', yes ...but self discipline also ...otherwise 'internet societies/communities' like this one, which we choose to be part of, would not exist at all....

[Ammi]

Expression should be welcomed from all walks of life.

...I really don't think that you're naïve enough to believe in 'expression with no limitations/boundaries of acceptability whatsoever etc'...and when those boundaries are pushed aside and stepped over then infractions/bans etc are only the 'expression' of people who are focused in keeping the boundaries.(and for very good reason..)...so should also be equally 'welcomed' as well...accept the freedom and accept the consequence...

[Kyle]

If you are talking about that atheist thread you made the other day it's clear as day to anyone that it was designed with the primary motive to mock theists for no reason whatsoever so I'm not surprised it was removed.

Had someone made a Christian thread and filled it with posts like "ha those godless atheists they have no morals, all they wanna do is sin" and "stupid atheists! how can they not believe in God I bet they do they just choose to turn away from him" I'd be livid.

[Ashley.]

I never said without reason. I said without giving you a reason.

Hm, I think people are entitled to at least a note so they know what they shouldn't be doing.

As for the OP, freedom of speech is all well and good but there needs to be limitations.

[Ammi]

..I honestly can never understand this 'freedom of speech' thing when it's often applied to forums in the way it is...it's like anything in life we 'buy into' or choose to be part of and the 'terms and conditions' that go along with that...if they're not something you can agree to, then it's as simple and blunts as ..don't really because you have choices...and with those choices/sites of more 'freedom of speech' then also accept that others will also have that same freedom back at you if you abuse it and are offensive with it...and don't even think of hovering a finger over a report button...because freedom and what you chose to be part of...

[Josy]

Hm, I think people are entitled to at least a note so they know what they shouldn't be doing.

As for the OP, freedom of speech is all well and good but there needs to be limitations.

Most of the time they are told why a thread was closed or deleted or the infraction/warning explains it to them but the other times it's for completely obvious reasons.

[kirklancaster]

Often on a forum, whether you are warned or infracted depends not on what you have said, but rather on whether you are reported for saying it. If you are reported, then the mods are duty bound to intervene and act accordingly.

The $64,000, is, what is the motive behind that 'someone' reporting you?

A lot of the time, it will be someone reporting you who is actually involved in a heated argument with you, and technically speaking, much of the time, that someone who has reported you will have actually transgressed the forum rules more than you have but has not been reported, or will have transgressed the forum rules more than you have, but in a less obvious, more 'acceptable' manner.

For example:

A) I make a statement that in my locale SOME 'travellers' have illegally parked their caravans in the centre of a local beauty spot, churning up the manicured grass in the process, and have piled loads of festering rubbish on once beautiful flower beds, and I go on to detail how these travellers are accosting elderly local residents in an intimidating manner and 'begging' money from them etc. etc.

B) Another member accuses me of being racist and points out to me that "Travellers are human beings too"

C) I THEN correct that member and point out that I am NOT racist, and that I am NOT denigrating ALL the travelling community, but just this particular group.

D) That member then completely ignores my correction and STILL continues in subsequent posts, to accuse me of xenophobia and racism.

E) As the thread progresses, I call the other member naive or stupid.

Now, I have quite clearly broken the forum rules by 'being personal' or whatever the actual terminology is, and I cannot complain if I am warned or infracted.

However; is it not also being 'personal' to be repeatedly and wrongly called a 'racist' or 'xenophobe'? And is it not also highly offensive to boot?

With the best will in the world, it is difficult to stick to The Marquis of Queensbury rules when you are wearing 10 ounce gloves and the other guy is wearing knuckle-dusters and produces a baseball bat in the first round.

But, still, there ARE rules, and if we infinge them, then we can't blame the ref for doing his job - better to stay out of the fight.

[kirklancaster]

If you are talking about that atheist thread you made the other day it's clear as day to anyone that it was designed with the primary motive to mock theists for no reason whatsoever so I'm not surprised it was removed.

Had someone made a Christian thread and filled it with posts like "ha those godless atheists they have no morals, all they wanna do is sin" and "stupid atheists! how can they not believe in God I bet they do they just choose to turn away from him" I'd be livid.

:clap1::clap1::clap1: You are a wise old bird Kyle.

[Niamh.]

If you can speak your mind without insulting other forum members then go right ahead :hee:

[Vanessa]

Q: Does speaking your mind on the forum equate to being warned/banned or your new thread being deleted for no reason at all by those above you? Is freedom of speach now dead?

I think it depends how you say things. If you're polite usually you get away with a lot. :laugh:

[Niamh.]

Kirk, when a post is reported we don't just look at that one post, we do read back along at the other posts as well. Alot of times the person who reports a post is infracted as well for starting something or being as insulting

[kirklancaster]

Kirk, when a post is reported we don't just look at that one post, we do read back along at the other posts as well. Alot of times the person who reports a post is infracted as well for starting something or being as insulting

Thanks Niamh, I would not know that but I am genuinely pleased to learn it, and I stand corrected. I really was not 'grousing', and I am the first to admit that I am as guilty of breaking forum rules as anyone.

[Crimson Dynamo]

there still is, even on tibb a traditional, if misguided, "respect" for religion when really none should be given unless deserved by actions today

its not a battle that is won quickly...

[kirklancaster]

there still is, even on tibb a traditional, if misguided, "respect" for religion when really none should be given unless deserved by actions today

its not a battle that is won quickly...

:nono: You are a devious twot LT. I laughed out loud at your 'gonna make Kirk an offer he can't refuse' post (Religion, horse Racing form and immigrants :laugh:) on the closed thread.

You are a one-off which God has given to me to eternally cheer me up. :hehe:

[joeysteele]

Honestly is a great thing but it's easy to be honest and respectful of other people at the same time and freedom of speech is not absolute and should be used responsibly.

Summed up perfectly by you as ever.

[Niamh.]

..freedom of speech is always a funny old thing..by definition, freedom has no boundaries..so no rules to apply really...I think we've all seen the movies and know how a 'no rule' society would be/'lawlessness', well it wouldn't be a society at all, that's the point because rules are an essential part of society..so from an early age, there would be no need for parents to guide/schools and mentors to guide etc in self discipline, social acceptability etc ..we can all just say what we want without any consequence...yes darling, you can say that Freddie next door is an ugly this, this and this because that's what I think he is as well so that's the honesty of it...yes, you can insult and abuse that little chap sitting next to you in class because that's what you feel, so you're just being an honest little guy...and then obviously in turn...because we're not perfection or above judgement ourselves, that little chap sitting next to us in class will abuse and insult us also..because obviously he has the same freedoms to do so...and so it goes on and on and on...and the results of it all..'the outcome' I guess is that it can no longer be a society...

...obviously we now have 'internet societies' as well..which we didn't always have back in the day...internet societies/internet communities/internet forums, which are really exactly the same as 'real life'...we can have no rules, we can all have equal freedom ...but be careful what you wish for, I think because you're taking away all boundaries and acceptability as well...'freedom of speech', yes ...but self discipline also ...otherwise 'internet societies/communities' like this one, which we choose to be part of, would not exist at all....

:clap2:

[Benjamin]

Honesty is never a bad thing, but people use it to just be mean and rude assuming that honesty is all about being as blunt and hurtful as possible.

Example:

Niamh has a new hair do. Josy doesn't like it and Niamh asks her opinion on it:

Josy wants to be honest and can do it in two ways.

First, she can tell Niamh that it's okay but it doesn't compliment her well and she prefers her with another hair style that brings out her looks.

Secondly she can say it's absolutely vile and Niamh looks ugly.


Both honest answers but one is nicer than the other.

[Jake.]

^ the latter is clearly the truth though so Josy should go for that

[Benjamin]

:laugh:

[Niamh.]

You horrible bastards, you're just jealous of my new hairstyle tbqh :idc:

[Benjamin]

Nobody has a bob anymore, Niamh. :idc:

[Niamh.]

:laugh: my hair hasn't been shorter than below my shoulders since I was 13

[Jake.]

:laugh: my hair hasn't been shorter than below my shoulders since I was 13

the grey goes nice with your m&s cardy x

[Benjamin]

the grey goes nice with your m&s cardy x


Oh please as if that cardie is from m and s. It's clearly from Bon marche.

[Niamh.]

the grey goes nice with your m&s cardy x

And my cane goes nice across your head :hee:

[Niamh.]

Oh please as if that cardie is from m and s. It's clearly from Bon marche.

Would ya listen to Grandpa Benji :hee:

[arista]

Q: Does speaking your mind on the forum equate to being warned/banned or your new thread being deleted for no reason at all by those above you? Is freedom of speach now dead?



No I speak My mind


Had thread titles changed by Mods
got lots of warnings
have not be banned

[Benjamin]

Would ya listen to Grandpa Benji :hee:

Back in my day we didn't have the luxury of shops. We got our wives to knit our clothes. :fists:

[Niamh.]

No I speak My mind


Had thread titles changed by Mods
got lots of warnings
have not be banned

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[Niamh.]

Back in my day we didn't have the luxury of shops. We got our wives to knit our clothes. :fists:

tmi Grandpa

[Benjamin]

Oh haha, bloody autocorrect :fist:

[kirklancaster]

And my cane goes nice across your head :hee:

:laugh::laugh::laugh:

[arista]

..I honestly can never understand this 'freedom of speech' thing when it's often applied to forums in the way it is...it's like anything in life we 'buy into' or choose to be part of and the 'terms and conditions' that go along with that...if they're not something you can agree to, then it's as simple and blunts as ..don't really because you have choices...and with those choices/sites of more 'freedom of speech' then also accept that others will also have that same freedom back at you if you abuse it and are offensive with it...and don't even think of hovering a finger over a report button...because freedom and what you chose to be part of...


How Nice

[Crimson Dynamo]

http://cosmouk.cdnds.net/14/33/980x784/nrm_1407923537-sienna-miller-bob-hair.jpg

Neem: Hi Josy wot do you think of my new bob


Josy: aw rite neem hows yersel, aye its fookin nice that so'n it uz


Neem: sure are you not just sayin that, to be sure?

Josy: naw hen um tellin ye straight like uts ace, what did ye think o ma pink tights the ither day?


Neem: oh Josy they were soooooo cute and them trainers too :love:



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The lies women tell each other


:idc:

[kirklancaster]

Honesty is never a bad thing, but people use it to just be mean and rude assuming that honesty is all about being as blunt and hurtful as possible.

Example:

Niamh has a new hair do. Josy doesn't like it and Niamh asks her opinion on it:

Josy wants to be honest and can do it in two ways.

First, she can tell Niamh that it's okay but it doesn't compliment her well and she prefers her with another hair style that brings out her looks.

Secondly she can say it's absolutely vile and Niamh looks ugly.


Both honest answers but one is nicer than the other.

OK Ben, but I'm having trouble with just which alternative is the 'nicer' way to say it. :hehe:

[kirklancaster]

http://cosmouk.cdnds.net/14/33/980x784/nrm_1407923537-sienna-miller-bob-hair.jpg

Neem: Hi Josy wot do you think of my new bob


Josy: aw rite neem hows yersel, aye its fookin nice that so'n it uz


Neem: sure are you not just sayin that, to be sure?

Josy: naw hen um tellin ye straight like uts ace, what did ye think o ma pink tights the ither day?


Neem: oh Josy they were soooooo cute and them trainers too :love:



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The lies women tell each other


:idc:

:joker::joker::joker: I'd love to actually HEAR the impressions of how they speak LT. :hehe:

[Jake.]

And my cane goes nice across your head :hee:

:joker:

[arista]

http://cosmouk.cdnds.net/14/33/980x784/nrm_1407923537-sienna-miller-bob-hair.jpg

Neem: Hi Josy wot do you think of my new bob


Josy: aw rite neem hows yersel, aye its fookin nice that so'n it uz


Neem: sure are you not just sayin that, to be sure?

Josy: naw hen um tellin ye straight like uts ace, what did ye think o ma pink tights the ither day?


Neem: oh Josy they were soooooo cute and them trainers too :love:



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The lies women tell each other


:idc:


How Nice LT

[Livia]

Leather Trumpet flirting with death...

[Niamh.]

:joker::joker::joker: I'd love to actually HEAR the impressions of how they speak LT. :hehe:

ach aye haggis bairn, baw bag

[kirklancaster]

ach aye haggis bairn, baw bag

:laugh::laugh::laugh: LT has bitten off more than he can chew methinks. :hehe: