Freed Guantanamo Briton Thanks Supporters

[arista]

This Man was mean't to be set free it
in 2007

Why Keep him until now
He has Never Ever Been Charged.


USA /UK Balls Up.

http://news.sky.com/story/1578782/freed-guantanamo-briton-thanks-supporters

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2015/10/30/427211/default/v1/cegrab-20151030-143019-0-1-736x414.jpg

[Tom4784]

I hope he sues them for millions.

[Cherie]

I hope he sues them for millions.

He doesn't have to to, he is due compensation which will run in to millions

[Johnnyuk123]

If you read the report he's not British. He's a Saudi National.

[bots]

If you read the report he's not British. He's a Saudi National.

"Mr Aamer was born in Saudi Arabia but has British residency. His wife and four children live in London."

That gives him British rights

[DemolitionRed]

Disgusting how a 21st century country can have an off shore camp to elude human rights laws.

Welcome home Shaker Aamer.

[kirklancaster]

No amount of money can really compensate him for all those irretrievable lost years of his life, but I hope it is millions.

As Arista says; "Why keep him all this time with no charges being brought?" I'm looking forward to some type of PROPER enquiry which airs the truth about this unsavoury mess. I wonder if I'll be waiting in vain?

[Nedusa]

This man is totally innocent ?

This man was wandering around a war zone claiming to be a charity worker... ?

The US authorities saw fit to keep this man incarcerated for 14 years as he is clearly a major terrorist threat.

Perhaps there is more to this story than just the miscarriage of justice theme ...

Anyone and I mean anyone who has been clearly identified and shown by the secret services to be actively plotting terrorist atrocities against the general populace should be incarcerated indefinitely and/or made to go for a long walk on a short plank...

Better these animals were caught before they have time to destroy people's lives..

So I apologise if I don't join in with the bleeding hearts brigade at the release of this "innocent man".

I bet there is a large dossier of involvement with terrorist groups ,affiliations ,tacit support etc... On this man.Make no mistake this man is a nasty piece of work and given the opportunity would gladly see you ,your family, your friends and your culture/way of life eradicated in a heartbeat.

[Tom4784]

This man is totally innocent ?

This man was wandering around a war zone claiming to be a charity worker... ?

The US authorities saw fit to keep this man incarcerated for 14 years as he is clearly a major terrorist threat.

Perhaps there is more to this story than just the miscarriage of justice theme ...

Anyone and I mean anyone who has been clearly identified and shown by the secret services to be actively plotting terrorist atrocities against the general populace should be incarcerated indefinitely and/or made to go for a long walk on a short plank...

Better these animals were caught before they have time to destroy people's lives..

So I apologise if I don't join in with the bleeding hearts brigade at the release of this "innocent man".

I bet there is a large dossier of involvement with terrorist groups ,affiliations ,tacit support etc... On this man.Make no mistake this man is a nasty piece of work and given the opportunity would gladly see you ,your family, your friends and your culture/way of life eradicated in a heartbeat.

Where's the proof that he's guilty of anything or that he committed any kind of crime at all? There was nothing and he was unjustly held for YEARS without being charged.

You're demonising this man on nothing more than a whim.

[kirklancaster]

This man is totally innocent ?

This man was wandering around a war zone claiming to be a charity worker... ?

The US authorities saw fit to keep this man incarcerated for 14 years as he is clearly a major terrorist threat.

Perhaps there is more to this story than just the miscarriage of justice theme ...

Anyone and I mean anyone who has been clearly identified and shown by the secret services to be actively plotting terrorist atrocities against the general populace should be incarcerated indefinitely and/or made to go for a long walk on a short plank...

Better these animals were caught before they have time to destroy people's lives..

So I apologise if I don't join in with the bleeding hearts brigade at the release of this "innocent man".

I bet there is a large dossier of involvement with terrorist groups ,affiliations ,tacit support etc... On this man.Make no mistake this man is a nasty piece of work and given the opportunity would gladly see you ,your family, your friends and your culture/way of life eradicated in a heartbeat.

You KNOW that I am no terrorist appeaser - and I had this guy down just as you describe him - BUT, it is a total mystery then just WHY the authorities would choose to play in to the terrorists and their appeasers hands by NOT charging him?

As they have not charged him, then by law he is innocent and his 14 YEAR! imprisonment can only be categorised as unlawful - hence the perfectably reasonable agreement that he SHOULD be heavily compensated, AND my desire for a proper enquiry which will air the truth of this matter and answer my question of just why a man I was led to believe was a terrorist has yet been released without charge after 14 years?

We have a right to know the truth, and he has a right to compensation.

If he IS a terrorist, then the handling of this case by the authorities must be the biggest cock-up since Dunkirk.

[JoshBB]

This man is totally innocent ?

This man was wandering around a war zone claiming to be a charity worker... ?

The US authorities saw fit to keep this man incarcerated for 14 years as he is clearly a major terrorist threat.

Perhaps there is more to this story than just the miscarriage of justice theme ...

Anyone and I mean anyone who has been clearly identified and shown by the secret services to be actively plotting terrorist atrocities against the general populace should be incarcerated indefinitely and/or made to go for a long walk on a short plank...

Better these animals were caught before they have time to destroy people's lives..

So I apologise if I don't join in with the bleeding hearts brigade at the release of this "innocent man".

I bet there is a large dossier of involvement with terrorist groups ,affiliations ,tacit support etc... On this man.Make no mistake this man is a nasty piece of work and given the opportunity would gladly see you ,your family, your friends and your culture/way of life eradicated in a heartbeat.


..seriously? I'm not one to call people racist, but I find it extremely unlikely you'd be saying this if he was of white british ethnicity.

[Nedusa]

You KNOW that I am no terrorist appeaser - and I had this guy down just as you describe him - BUT, it is a total mystery then just WHY the authorities would choose to play in to the terrorists and their appeasers hands by NOT charging him?

As they have not charged him, then by law he is innocent and his 14 YEAR! imprisonment can only be categorised as unlawful - hence the perfectably reasonable agreement that he SHOULD be heavily compensated, AND my desire for a proper enquiry which will air the truth of this matter and answer my question of just why a man I was led to believe was a terrorist has yet been released without charge after 14 years?

We have a right to know the truth, and he has a right to compensation.

If he IS a terrorist, then the handling of this case by the authorities must be the biggest cock-up since Dunkirk.

I cannot believe even the Americans would unlawfully detain a completely innocent man for 14 years with no evidence whatsoever.

I have to believe the US authorities had plenty of Intel on this guy and there must have been some connections with jihadist groups or some sinister links with terrorism related organisations.

Surely being a Muslim with beard doesn't carry a 14 year prison term ??

If this is the case then I have to perhaps rethink my opening comments and pose the question what came first the terrorist or the terrorist government a sort of Chicken and Egg scenario ...

[bots]

I cannot believe even the Americans would unlawfully detain a completely innocent man for 14 years with no evidence whatsoever.

I have to believe the US authorities had plenty of Intel on this guy and there must have been some connections with jihadist groups or some sinister links with terrorism related organisations.

Surely being a Muslim with beard doesn't carry a 14 year prison term ??

If this is the case then I have to perhaps rethink my opening comments and pose the question what came first the terrorist or the terrorist government a sort of Chicken and Egg scenario ...

They had 14 years to build a case against him and failed. If he had any terrorist connections, they would have put it to trial like any democracy is supposed to do ... No?

What gets me is that its been years since it was agreed that he had no case to answer, and yet they still kept him prisoner .... for YEARS after.

Many more intrinsically guilty people have gone free and received compensation, for a lot less than that.

[kirklancaster]

I cannot believe even the Americans would unlawfully detain a completely innocent man for 14 years with no evidence whatsoever.

I have to believe the US authorities had plenty of Intel on this guy and there must have been some connections with jihadist groups or some sinister links with terrorism related organisations.

Surely being a Muslim with beard doesn't carry a 14 year prison term ??

If this is the case then I have to perhaps rethink my opening comments and pose the question what came first the terrorist or the terrorist government a sort of Chicken and Egg scenario ...

Hey, don't get me wrong Nedusa - For all we know -- or will EVER get to know -- this guy might be guilty as hell, and they may have KNOW he was guilty as hell and were determined to detain him until he cracked. He may have cracked within the last couple of years and spilled his guts about all he knew about ISIS or other terrorist factions, and they cut a deal with him: They release him without charge ensuring that he collects millions of pounds for informing by way of compensation for 'indefensible unlawful detention', plus none of his terrorist cronies will ever suspect him of informing.

Or he may just REALLY be innocent - I cannot understand why they detained him for so long if he really is, but WHO KNOWS anything when it comes to governments and the truth?

I only know that this whole sordid, unsavoury, disturbing case, DEMANDS an investigation and Enquiry of the highest order.

WE are owed it.

[Kizzy]

'Shaker Aamer, the British resident finally set free after spending almost 14 years incarcerated at Guantánamo Bay, is to bring legal proceedings against the British government over its alleged complicity in his mistreatment.

The case will include a claim for damages from the UK’s security and intelligence agencies, whose officers interrogated him three times while he was at the US detention facility in Cuba and who are alleged to have been present while he was being tortured at a prison in Afghanistan shortly after 9/11.
As the 48-year-old father-of-four landed back on UK soil, members of his legal team indicated to the Guardian that they expected the government to settle the claim as quickly as possible rather than suffer the embarrassment of seeing further allegations of the UK’s involvement in human rights abuses being aired in court.'

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/oct/30/shaker-aamer-to-seek-damages-over-guantanamo-bay-incarcaration

[Crimson Dynamo]

This man is totally innocent ?

This man was wandering around a war zone claiming to be a charity worker... ?

The US authorities saw fit to keep this man incarcerated for 14 years as he is clearly a major terrorist threat.

Perhaps there is more to this story than just the miscarriage of justice theme ...

Anyone and I mean anyone who has been clearly identified and shown by the secret services to be actively plotting terrorist atrocities against the general populace should be incarcerated indefinitely and/or made to go for a long walk on a short plank...

Better these animals were caught before they have time to destroy people's lives..

So I apologise if I don't join in with the bleeding hearts brigade at the release of this "innocent man".

I bet there is a large dossier of involvement with terrorist groups ,affiliations ,tacit support etc... On this man.Make no mistake this man is a nasty piece of work and given the opportunity would gladly see you ,your family, your friends and your culture/way of life eradicated in a heartbeat.

blimey Nedusa

where the feck have you been? :joker:

[Tom4784]

'Shaker Aamer, the British resident finally set free after spending almost 14 years incarcerated at Guantánamo Bay, is to bring legal proceedings against the British government over its alleged complicity in his mistreatment.

The case will include a claim for damages from the UK’s security and intelligence agencies, whose officers interrogated him three times while he was at the US detention facility in Cuba and who are alleged to have been present while he was being tortured at a prison in Afghanistan shortly after 9/11.
As the 48-year-old father-of-four landed back on UK soil, members of his legal team indicated to the Guardian that they expected the government to settle the claim as quickly as possible rather than suffer the embarrassment of seeing further allegations of the UK’s involvement in human rights abuses being aired in court.'

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/oct/30/shaker-aamer-to-seek-damages-over-guantanamo-bay-incarcaration

Good, he deserves every penny he's going to get.

Guantanamo is a disgrace that should have been shut down years ago.

[Northern Monkey]

I'm unsure tbh.We know what the yanks are like for cutting deals.He is either completely innocent or had some kind of involvement with terrorists and gave some valuable information to the CIA for his release.Who knows.

[Nedusa]

Hey, don't get me wrong Nedusa - For all we know -- or will EVER get to know -- this guy might be guilty as hell, and they may have KNOW he was guilty as hell and were determined to detain him until he cracked. He may have cracked within the last couple of years and spilled his guts about all he knew about ISIS or other terrorist factions, and they cut a deal with him: They release him without charge ensuring that he collects millions of pounds for informing by way of compensation for 'indefensible unlawful detention', plus none of his terrorist cronies will ever suspect him of informing.

Or he may just REALLY be innocent - I cannot understand why they detained him for so long if he really is, but WHO KNOWS anything when it comes to governments and the truth?

I only know that this whole sordid, unsavoury, disturbing case, DEMANDS an investigation and Enquiry of the highest order.

WE are owed it.

Kirk, A good friend of mine works for the security services and although he cannot comment on specific cases he has left me in no doubt that this man was only held because he was deemed as such a high terrorist risk.

Make no mistake this man was and probably still is a nasty piece of work. someone who was invloved in terrorism against the west and although no single damming individual piece of evidence can prove his guilt in a court of law, believe me when I say that the security services here and in the US are in NO doubt whatsoever as to this evil piece of slime's true intents.

Pity he never got a bullet in his head back before he was first captured.

Honestly....some of the comments left on here are from people who have their head's well and truly stuck in the sand. These people will kill you, your family and your friends in a heartbeat, they care nothing for you or your way of life. To them you are the enemy, an enemy they are obliged to revert or kill.

They will not stop until there is a Mosque in every square...

We are sleepwalking into a potential catastrophe.

[MTVN]

He was cleared for release seven years ago. I suspect the fear with releasing Guantanamo inmates is with what they could reveal about practices there and that their time incarcerated could radicalise them even if they weren't before.

[Tom4784]

Kirk, A good friend of mine works for the security services and although he cannot comment on specific cases he has left me in no doubt that this man was only held because he was deemed as such a high terrorist risk.

Make no mistake this man was and probably still is a nasty piece of work. someone who was invloved in terrorism against the west and although no single damming individual piece of evidence can prove his guilt in a court of law, believe me when I say that the security services here and in the US are in NO doubt whatsoever as to this evil piece of slime's true intents.

Pity he never got a bullet in his head back before he was first captured.

Honestly....some of the comments left on here are from people who have their head's well and truly stuck in the sand. These people will kill you, your family and your friends in a heartbeat, they care nothing for you or your way of life. To them you are the enemy, an enemy they are obliged to revert or kill.

They will not stop until there is a Mosque in every square...

We are sleepwalking into a potential catastrophe.

'My dad works for Nintendo'

[Kizzy]

Spirit of 38.....

[bots]

He was cleared for release seven years ago. I suspect the fear with releasing Guantanamo inmates is with what they could reveal about practices there and that their time incarcerated could radicalise them even if they weren't before.

This is my opinion too, why else would you continue to hold someone for an additional 7 years after he was cleared for release. That alone justifies a compensation claim

[Livia]

He was cleared for release seven years ago. I suspect the fear with releasing Guantanamo inmates is with what they could reveal about practices there and that their time incarcerated could radicalise them even if they weren't before.

If they were worried about that, I suspect he would have "died of natural causes" long before being released.

He's a British resident but a Saudi national. I wonder why he isn't leading his compensation claim from Saudi Arabia, as he has such a case against the British? Could it be because there are people incarcerated in Saudi, without trial, for longer than he's been at Guantanamo? Why, if he is so against the British government, has he chosen to return here?

[Kizzy]

Hmmm, does 'died of natural causes' mean he would be bumped off?
He has no case against the Saudis as it wasn't them who put him or kept him there, there are all kinds of justice across the globe it's irrelevant though.
He and his family live here, that is why he is returning.

[Livia]

That's why I put "died of natural causes" in inverted commas.

He has family here. Of course. Even though he's a Saudi national... but of course, he wouldn't get the kind of free legal he'll get here.

[Kizzy]

That's why I put "died of natural causes" in inverted commas.

He has family here. Of course. Even though he's a Saudi national... but of course, he wouldn't get the kind of free legal he'll get here.

Ah I thought you meant in a mafia 'he had an accident' way... silly me.

He is entitled to whatever assistance he gets being an injured innocent party.

[Livia]

Ah I thought you meant in a mafia 'he had an accident' way... silly me.

He is entitled to whatever assistance he gets being an injured innocent party.

That will be a great comfort to all the low-paid British nationals who can't get Legal Aid because their cases aren't high-profile enough.

[Kizzy]

We have as a nation a great sense of fair play, this guy has been wronged and being British I am proud to say good for him that he is being treated fairly at last.

[kirklancaster]

If they were worried about that, I suspect he would have "died of natural causes" long before being released.

He's a British resident but a Saudi national. I wonder why he isn't leading his compensation claim from Saudi Arabia, as he has such a case against the British? Could it be because there are people incarcerated in Saudi, without trial, for longer than he's been at Guantanamo? Why, if he is so against the British government, has he chosen to return here?


Very valid points Liv. Perhaps someone may pose the same questions at some Official Enquiry.

[JoshBB]

Kirk, A good friend of mine works for the security services and although he cannot comment on specific cases he has left me in no doubt that this man was only held because he was deemed as such a high terrorist risk.

Make no mistake this man was and probably still is a nasty piece of work. someone who was invloved in terrorism against the west and although no single damming individual piece of evidence can prove his guilt in a court of law, believe me when I say that the security services here and in the US are in NO doubt whatsoever as to this evil piece of slime's true intents.

Pity he never got a bullet in his head back before he was first captured.

Honestly....some of the comments left on here are from people who have their head's well and truly stuck in the sand. These people will kill you, your family and your friends in a heartbeat, they care nothing for you or your way of life. To them you are the enemy, an enemy they are obliged to revert or kill.

They will not stop until there is a Mosque in every square...

We are sleepwalking into a potential catastrophe.

Oh piss off. Muslims don't want to overtake us, stop being ridiculous. He hasn't been charged with a crime, and I believe in the concept of innocent until proven guilty. That is a fundamental part of our judicial system.

You cannot just call this man a terrorist because you feel like it, he has not been to court and has never been charged for committing anything of the sort. This whole 'gun in the head straight away' bs.. let's just hope you're never accused of terrorism, otherwise you'd have no chance to prove your innocence!

Not to mention the dangerous link you are making here. The comment bolded definitely portrays mosques in a bad light, which is totally unfair to the huge majority of muslims in the UK who worship peacefully and would never hurt a fly. There are bad eggs just like there are extreme christians, jewish people, hindus.. whatever.

[kirklancaster]

The SELF-PROCLAIMED, WELL DOCUMENTED agenda of EVERY Muslim extremist is the complete conquering of every non-Islamic country in the world to Islamify them, in addition to the total control of every Muslim country so that they can establish their own extreme fundamentalist form of Islam - Reclaiming the world for Allah.

And NO - they will NOT stop beheading, bombing, and slaughtering until that goal is achieved, so Nedusa is correct. Anyone who disagrees with her needs some history lessons - urgently.

[Kizzy]

The SELF-PROCLAIMED, WELL DOCUMENTED agenda of EVERY Muslim extremist is the complete conquering of every non-Islamic country in the world to Islamify them, in addition to the total control of every Muslim country so that they can establish their own extreme fundamentalist form of Islam - Reclaiming the world for Allah.

And NO - they will NOT stop beheading, bombing, and slaughtering until that goal is achieved, so Nedusa is correct. Anyone who disagrees with her needs some history lessons - urgently.

How does this relate to the man in discussion?

[lostalex]

who was flying to afghanistan right after 9/11 at the beginning of the war. sorry, i don't buy his story that he was there to just do "humanitarian work"... i think he was definitely going there for jihad.

[Nedusa]

'My dad works for Nintendo'

Glad to hear it...........but be warned this is NOT a game.

[Livia]

who was flying to afghanistan right after 9/11 at the beginning of the war. sorry, i don't buy his story that he was there to just do "humanitarian work"... i think he was definitely going there for jihad.

Yes... if it looks like a duck and it walks like a duck...

[Nedusa]

Oh piss off. Muslims don't want to overtake us, stop being ridiculous. He hasn't been charged with a crime, and I believe in the concept of innocent until proven guilty. That is a fundamental part of our judicial system.

You cannot just call this man a terrorist because you feel like it, he has not been to court and has never been charged for committing anything of the sort. This whole 'gun in the head straight away' bs.. let's just hope you're never accused of terrorism, otherwise you'd have no chance to prove your innocence!

Not to mention the dangerous link you are making here. The comment bolded definitely portrays mosques in a bad light, which is totally unfair to the huge majority of muslims in the UK who worship peacefully and would never hurt a fly. There are bad eggs just like there are extreme christians, jewish people, hindus.. whatever.

You clearly know absolutely nothing about Islam, and are living in a dreamworld if you think they will be content to all live side by side and just "get on".

I'm not saying all Muslims are terrorists that is ridiculous but their religion is at odds against all NON Muslim religions and they will never, ever integrate into your cosy little world view. They are tasked with trying to spread their evil hate filled toxic "religion" at all costs. and whether they do it through direct force ie terrorism/direct military action or the slow game where they establish themselves in ever increasing numbers through high Birth rates etc... the fact is they are not interested in this Country, it's religion, culture or it's peoples they only want this country as part of a wider global Caliphate.

Why do so many people have trouble in understanding this...

[Livia]

Oh piss off. Muslims don't want to overtake us, stop being ridiculous. He hasn't been charged with a crime, and I believe in the concept of innocent until proven guilty. That is a fundamental part of our judicial system.

You cannot just call this man a terrorist because you feel like it, he has not been to court and has never been charged for committing anything of the sort. This whole 'gun in the head straight away' bs.. let's just hope you're never accused of terrorism, otherwise you'd have no chance to prove your innocence!

Not to mention the dangerous link you are making here. The comment bolded definitely portrays mosques in a bad light, which is totally unfair to the huge majority of muslims in the UK who worship peacefully and would never hurt a fly. There are bad eggs just like there are extreme christians, jewish people, hindus.. whatever.

Fundamentalist Muslims have made it clear they they will not stop until their flag is flying over the UK Parliament and the White House. Did you miss that report, Josh? Or do you think they weren't in earnest.

The aim of the fundamentalist muslim is to kill every infidel. You cannot equate fundamentalist muslims with any other fundamentalist sect because THEY are the only one's who've vowed to kill us all.

You've got to take the blinkers off. Not all Muslims are terrorists, we know that very clearly. But you cannot underestimate the danger of the fundamentalist muslim.

Incidentally... "piss off"? Is that a suitable rebuff for Serious Debates do you think?

[Tom4784]

Glad to hear it...........but be warned this is NOT a game.

You .................................................. ................The point.

You could at least be honest with your intent and not make up imaginary 'friends that work with the security services.' Not one person on here believes that you have a friend like that. If it's all so hush hush then why are you betraying your imaginary friend's trust by spilling it online?

You're just lying to try to justify your random inane bile.

[Tom4784]

The goal of ALL organised religion is to 'conquer', they aren't belief systems, they're control systems. people dreamed up every religion as a way to control the superstitious masses back when Science wasn't a thing.

[Kizzy]

Fundamentalist Muslims have made it clear they they will not stop until their flag is flying over the UK Parliament and the White House. Did you miss that report, Josh? Or do you think they weren't in earnest.

The aim of the fundamentalist muslim is to kill every infidel. You cannot equate fundamentalist muslims with any other fundamentalist sect because THEY are the only one's who've vowed to kill us all.

You've got to take the blinkers off. Not all Muslims are terrorists, we know that very clearly. But you cannot underestimate the danger of the fundamentalist muslim.

Incidentally... "piss off"? Is that a suitable rebuff for Serious Debates do you think?

Nedusa seems to be confusing UK Muslims with ISIS, the line does seem very blurry so I can see why Josh would suggest the post was incendiary.

[kirklancaster]

Fundamentalist Muslims have made it clear they they will not stop until their flag is flying over the UK Parliament and the White House. Did you miss that report, Josh? Or do you think they weren't in earnest.

The aim of the fundamentalist muslim is to kill every infidel. You cannot equate fundamentalist muslims with any other fundamentalist sect because THEY are the only one's who've vowed to kill us all.

You've got to take the blinkers off. Not all Muslims are terrorists, we know that very clearly. But you cannot underestimate the danger of the fundamentalist muslim.

Incidentally... "piss off"? Is that a suitable rebuff for Serious Debates do you think?

:clap1::clap1::clap1:

[Livia]

The goal of ALL organised religion is to 'conquer', they aren't belief systems, they're control systems. people dreamed up every religion as a way to control the superstitious masses back when Science wasn't a thing.

Not all religions' aim is to conquer. Judaism isn't a recruiting religion. People can convert if they wish but we have no missionaries and we do not actively recruit.


Nedusa seems to be confusing UK Muslims with ISIS, the line does seem very blurry so I can see why Josh would suggest the post was incendiary.

If all UK Muslims were moderate then that'd be fine. The problem is that they aren't, and we can't tell at a glance which few, out of the millions here, are the terrorists. It's not incendiary to say there are terrorist Muslims in the UK because it's true.

[Kizzy]

If all UK Muslims were moderate then that'd be fine. The problem is that they aren't, and we can't tell at a glance which few, out of the millions here, are the terrorists. It's not incendiary to say there are terrorist Muslims in the UK because it's true.

To infer that they are a creeping rot hell bent on the destruction of the UK as we know it... is this, is it reminiscent of anything?
I find the foreshadowing taint of Nedusas posts rather distasteful if I'm honest.
And if I had your irrational distrust of people my shop around Bradford wouldn't be nearly as enjoyable.

[Livia]

To infer that they are a creeping rot hell bent on the destruction of the UK as we know it... is this, is it reminiscent of anything?
I find the foreshadowing taint of Nedusas posts rather distasteful if I'm honest.
And if I had your irrational distrust of people my shop around Bradford wouldn't be nearly as enjoyable.

My "irrational distrust"? I come from east London, I used to shop in Green Street. It's hardly like Muslims are a mystery to me. That doesn't mean that I'm not aware that there are some who do not wish us well.Do you not think there are any terrorist muslims here? Really? Do you think Lee Rigby cut his own head off? Even the Muslim Council of Great Britain doesn't stick its head that far into the sand.

If I had your irrational complacency about the security of our country... well that's just stupid, because I wouldn't.

[Kizzy]

My "irrational distrust"? I come from east London, I used to shop in Green Street. It's hardly like Muslims are a mystery to me. That doesn't mean that I'm not aware that there are some who do not wish us well.Do you not think there are any terrorist muslims here? Really? Do you think Lee Rigby cut his own head off? Even the Muslim Council of Great Britain doesn't stick its head that far into the sand.

If I had your irrational complacency about the security of our country... well that's just stupid, because I wouldn't.

In a few short posts we have gotten from a man detained illegally to Lee Rigby... I declare this the new Godwins Law.
Irrational and hysterical in equal measure.

[Livia]

In a few short posts we have gotten from a man detained illegally to Lee Rigby... I declare this the new Godwins Law.
Irrational and hysterical in equal measure.

"Gotten"? Really...?

The reason it got to Lee Rigby is that YOU intimated that there aren't any Muslims in this country, that we are not at risk... You are not the only person who can take a conversation on a circuitous route to make a point. It's just when anyone else does it, up you come with the ridicule.

[Kizzy]

"Gotten"? Really...?

The reason it got to Lee Rigby is that YOU intimated that there aren't any Muslims in this country, that we are not at risk... You are not the only person who can take a conversation on a circuitous route to make a point. It's just when anyone else does it, up you come with the ridicule.

You have an issue with my colloquialism now?

I didn't say there weren't any Muslims in the country, I have an issue with the prejudiced tone of some posts in the thread.
I've made that very clear.

[kirklancaster]

This guy was NOT imprisoned for being a suspected MUSLIM, he was detained for being a suspected TERRORIST, and as this thread is about him, then it is quite evident that Nedusa was referring to terrorists and not ordinary moderate Muslims.

[Livia]

You have an issue with my colloquialism now?

I didn't say there weren't any Muslims in the country, I have an issue with the prejudiced tone of some posts in the thread.
I've made that very clear.

It's not a colloquialism, it's an Americanism.

And I made it clear that I understand that the overwhelming majority of muslims in the UK are not terrorist... but that there are a very small minority who are, or who are linked to terrorist organisations.

[kirklancaster]

You clearly know absolutely nothing about Islam, and are living in a dreamworld if you think they will be content to all live side by side and just "get on".

I'm not saying all Muslims are terrorists that is ridiculous but their religion is at odds against all NON Muslim religions and they will never, ever integrate into your cosy little world view. They are tasked with trying to spread their evil hate filled toxic "religion" at all costs. and whether they do it through direct force ie terrorism/direct military action or the slow game where they establish themselves in ever increasing numbers through high Birth rates etc... the fact is they are not interested in this Country, it's religion, culture or it's peoples they only want this country as part of a wider global Caliphate.

Why do so many people have trouble in understanding this...

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[Kizzy]

It's not a colloquialism, it's an Americanism.

And I made it clear that I understand that the overwhelming majority of muslims in the UK are not terrorist... but that there are a very small minority who are, or who are linked to terrorist organisations.

Nope...

In the main varieties of English from outside North America, the past participle of get in all its senses is usually got. Gotten appears occasionally, and it is standard in a few set phrases such as ill-gotten gains, but the shorter form prevails by a large margin.

That gotten is primarily used in North America has given rise to the mistaken belief that it is American in origin and hence new and inferior. But gotten is in fact an old form, predating the United States and Canada by several centuries. It fell out of favor in British English by the 18th century

http://grammarist.com/usage/got-gotten/

I have never suggested that no Muslim has ever committed a terrorist act, once again it was the inference in some posts that I objected to.

[Northern Monkey]

If I had your irrational complacency about the security of our country...

You'd be Jeremy Corbyn....


:laugh:

[Livia]

Nope...

In the main varieties of English from outside North America, the past participle of get in all its senses is usually got. Gotten appears occasionally, and it is standard in a few set phrases such as ill-gotten gains, but the shorter form prevails by a large margin.

That gotten is primarily used in North America has given rise to the mistaken belief that it is American in origin and hence new and inferior. But gotten is in fact an old form, predating the United States and Canada by several centuries. It fell out of favor in British English by the 18th century

http://grammarist.com/usage/got-gotten/

I have never suggested that no Muslim has ever committed a terrorist act, once again it was the inference in some posts that I objected to.


No amount of Googling, cutting and pasting will make "gotten" acceptable in modern British English, Kizzy. It was once acceptable but not for about two hundred years... like you yourself posted! We used to use a Z in words like colonize and dramatize... but it's not acceptable now. But hey, if you think it's okay to use an outdated term, you crack on.

I don't understand why you were addressing your inference from other posts to my replies though. Strange... because I don't feel I said anything at all anti-muslim.

[Kizzy]

No amount of Googling, cutting and pasting will make "gotten" acceptable in modern British English, Kizzy. It was once acceptable but not for about two hundred years... like you yourself posted! We used to use a Z in words like colonize and dramatize... but it's not acceptable now. But hey, if you think it's okay to use an outdated term, you crack on.

I don't understand why you were addressing your inference from other posts to my replies though. Strange... because I don't feel I said anything at all anti-muslim.

Why are you fixating on my choice of words?

And I haven't accused you of anything, I won't repeat myself as I have made my view perfectly clear.

[Livia]

You'd be Jeremy Corbyn....


:laugh:

LOL...

[kirklancaster]

I'll tell you what's 'Irrational and hysterical in equal measure';

The continued blindness and denial of the very real, well documented threat of the murdering, terrorist fanatatics who are Muslim extremists - despite the irrefutable evidence - THAT IS IRRATIONAL.

And the way that the words; 'Racist' and 'Xenophobia' are pulled from the hat like white rabbits every time someone tells the truth about Muslim Terrorists, or Unfettered Immigration - THAT IS HYSTERICAL.

I am sick to death of seeing those words - no wonder Serious Debate is in decline.

[kirklancaster]

You'd be Jeremy Corbyn....


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:laugh: Maestro - a classic. :laugh:

[Kizzy]

I'll tell you what's 'Irrational and hysterical in equal measure';

The continued blindness and denial of the very real, well documented threat of the murdering, terrorist fanatatics who are Muslim extremists - despite the irrefutable evidence - THAT IS IRRATIONAL.

And the way that the words; 'Racist' and 'Xenophobia' are pulled from the hat like white rabbits every time someone tells the truth about Muslim Terrorists, or Unfettered Immigration - THAT IS HYSTERICAL.

I am sick to death of seeing those words - no wonder Serious Debate is in decline.

Why use my choice of words to highlight this?

I haven't accused anyone of being racist or xenophobic.
Nor have I denied that acts of terrorism by Muslims have happened in the UK.

People having differing views is good for serious debates I would've thought?

[Nedusa]

You .................................................. ................The point.

You could at least be honest with your intent and not make up imaginary 'friends that work with the security services.' Not one person on here believes that you have a friend like that. If it's all so hush hush then why are you betraying your imaginary friend's trust by spilling it online?

You're just lying to try to justify your random inane bile.

Sorry to disappoint but I do actually have a good friend who works for the anti terrorism branch of the Met police SO13 now SO15. He can't really discuss operational issues but can tell me stories which would make your blood curdle.

Not lies, not bull**** .... Simply the truth as to what is going on in your safe little world.

I'm sorry you think I come onto this forum to spread inane random bile, I have no agenda am not racist but do love my Country , my Christian beliefs and my Culture and do think we have a duty to alert our fellow man when those values are threatened.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Sorry to disappoint but I do actually have a good friend who works for the anti terrorism branch of the Met police SO13 now SO15. He can't really discuss operational issues but can tell me stories which would make your blood curdle.

Not lies, not bull**** .... Simply the truth as to what is going on in your safe little world.

I'm sorry you think I come onto this forum to spread inane random bile, I have no agenda am not racist but do love my Country , my Christian beliefs and my Culture and do think we have a duty to alert our fellow man when those values are threatened.

You tell ha Nedusa

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[Livia]

I keep reading this thread as "Fred Guantanamo...".

[kirklancaster]

I keep reading this thread as "Fred Guantanamo...".

:laugh: It would make more sense than some of the posts.

[Tom4784]

Sorry to disappoint but I do actually have a good friend who works for the anti terrorism branch of the Met police SO13 now SO15. He can't really discuss operational issues but can tell me stories which would make your blood curdle.

Not lies, not bull**** .... Simply the truth as to what is going on in your safe little world.

I'm sorry you think I come onto this forum to spread inane random bile, I have no agenda am not racist but do love my Country , my Christian beliefs and my Culture and do think we have a duty to alert our fellow man when those values are threatened.

That does nothing to make me believe that this 'friend' of yours actually exists and if he does then you're a terrible friend for divulging information that he told you in confidence but that doesn't matter, because he doesn't exist and you're just using this imaginary friend to justify your hate speech.

Never mind the hypocrisy of a religious person hating another religion for being violent when all religions are both based on and built upon violence.

[Kizzy]

:laugh: It would make more sense than some of the posts.

Which ones, are you mocking anyone in particular or anyone with a view different to yours?

[kirklancaster]

Which ones, are you mocking anyone in particular or anyone with a view different to yours?

I'm passing a very clearly JOCULAR opinion on POSTS NOT MEMBERS. Bye.

[Johnnyuk123]

Lets just say that for instance the people from Switzerland populated the UK on mass and openly spoke out about their hate towards the uk whilst recieving free housing and benefits? Is it rude of the british public to simply suggest that if they do not like it here and they continue to refuse to intergrate that they simply go back to their own country or too another country who holds their point of view?

[MTVN]

The Briton held at Guantanamo Bay for 14 years said last night that Muslims who support terror attacks have no right to live in this country – and demanded would-be jihadis 'get the hell out'.

Shaker Aamer has spent five days talking to The Mail on Sunday in a series of world exclusive interviews – his first since his release.

Courageously, he made his angriest comments about Muslims who plot terror in Britain, even though he was tortured, beaten and held for 5,007 days at Guantanamo under suspicion of terrorist activities without ever being charged. He has been cleared by the US twice.

He also expressed revulsion at the murder of hostages by Islamic State, saying the extremist group's treatment of prisoners had abused basic principles of Islamic law.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3357640/Jihadis-hell-Britain-Shaker-Aamer-says-UK-Muslims-dare-not-interviews-release.html#ixzz3u9NBmIoc
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Remarkable really, good on him

[bots]

Remarkable really, good on him

I can see where he is coming from. There are going to be many more people locked up because this environment exists, and innocents may well get caught up in it.

[arista]

Remarkable really, good on him


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[DemolitionRed]

Wait, are some here suggesting that all those thorough investigations that proved this guys innocence a sham? I have to ask those people, do you believe our legal system is just a very naive bunch? or is it actually corrupt?

[billy123]

Sorry to disappoint but I do actually have a good friend who works for the anti terrorism branch of the Met police SO13 now SO15. He can't really discuss operational issues but can tell me stories which would make your blood curdle.

Not lies, not bull**** .... Simply the truth as to what is going on in your safe little world.

I'm sorry you think I come onto this forum to spread inane random bile, I have no agenda am not racist but do love my Country , my Christian beliefs and my Culture and do think we have a duty to alert our fellow man when those values are threatened.
Your posts lately are starting to sound like the rants of an angry extremist.

[Nedusa]

:clap2::clap2::clap2:I'll tell you what's 'Irrational and hysterical in equal measure';

The continued blindness and denial of the very real, well documented threat of the murdering, terrorist fanatatics who are Muslim extremists - despite the irrefutable evidence - THAT IS IRRATIONAL.

And the way that the words; 'Racist' and 'Xenophobia' are pulled from the hat like white rabbits every time someone tells the truth about Muslim Terrorists, or Unfettered Immigration - THAT IS HYSTERICAL.

I am sick to death of seeing those words - no wonder Serious Debate is in decline.

:clap2::clap2::clap2:

[Nedusa]

Your posts lately are starting to sound like the rants of an angry extremist.

substitute the word extremist for patriot and you would be correct...

[Marsh.]

'My dad works for Nintendo'

:laugh2:

[lostalex]

..seriously? I'm not one to call people racist, but I find it extremely unlikely you'd be saying this if he was of white british ethnicity.

there was a similar case with a white Australian guy, David something, and i'd say the same thing about him, a white guy. There's no doubt in my mind this guy was up to no good. The US can't prosecute him because the evidence they have they'd have to reveal in court and to the public how they got that evidence and it would hurt the wider war on terrorism.

[bots]

there was a similar case with a white Australian guy, David something, and i'd say the same thing about him, a white guy. There's no doubt in my mind this guy was up to no good. The US can't prosecute him because the evidence they have they'd have to reveal in court and to the public how they got that evidence and it would hurt the wider war on terrorism.

that's an excuse, and cannot be used. If the US didn't prosecute it is because they had no admissible evidence, an important factor in determining anyone's innocence or guilt.

The guy was innocent, full stop.

[Tom4784]

Remarkable really, good on him

He's a better man than me, if someone robbed me of fourteen years of my life with no evidence of wrongdoing then I'd be out for blood and suing all involved.

[King Gizzard]

Nobel award sorted for next year then

This is the guy Frankie Boyle campaigned for right

[lostalex]

Nobel award sorted for next year then

This is the guy Frankie Boyle campaigned for right

Isn't Frankie Boyle also known for offending various minority groups?

[lostalex]

This is the australian white guy that went through a similar thing...

it's very interesting. personally i feel he was a terrorist. He purposefully went there to fight for what he believed in (which was killing Americans) and when he realized he got in over his head he was trapped. He is still a terrorist though. most terrorists are morons. we need to stop thinking of terrorists as masterminds from a Die Hard movie...most terrorists are naive idiots.

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[King Gizzard]

Isn't Frankie Boyle also known for offending various minority groups?

Not really, is comedy is very harsh but he never targets a collective race or group

[Niamh.]

Not really, is comedy is very harsh but he never targets a collective race or group

He prefers to target individuals instead, like specific disabled kids....much better :laugh: