Donald Trump: ban all Muslims entering US

[Samm]

Republican frontrunner wants ‘total and complete shutdown’ of borders to Muslims after San Bernardino shooting in latest boundary-pushing proposal

Donald Trump, the leading contender to become the Republican party’s nominee for US presidential candidate, has called for a “total and complete shutdown” of the country’s borders to Muslims in the wake of the San Bernardino terrorist attack.

Trump made his most extreme pledge yet – in a race in which he has consistently pushed the boat out on issues of race and immigration – in a statement released to the media through his presidential campaign team.

He said there was such hatred among Muslims around the world towards Americans that it was necessary to rebuff them en masse, until the problem was better understood.

More here: http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/dec/07/donald-trump-ban-all-muslims-entering-us-san-bernardino-shooting


hmm reminds me of someone..

http://www.jordanorlando.com/ns/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/trump-is-hitler1.jpg

[arista]

Yes he is going real hard now


http://news.sky.com/story/1601659/trump-calls-for-ban-on-muslims-entering-us

[lostalex]

The only conclusion i can draw is that this man really really does NOT want to be president. It seems like he's trying his hardest to make sure he cannot be elected. Is he being paid by Hilary Clinton??

[DemolitionRed]

That man is a nut job and a scary one at that.

[Crimson Dynamo]

hmm reminds me of someone..

http://www.jordanorlando.com/ns/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/trump-is-hitler1.jpg

Sorry but what is the connection with Hitler. Who did he ban from entering Germany whilst Germany was a Democracy?

[DemolitionRed]

Sorry but what is the connection with Hitler. Who did he ban from entering Germany whilst Germany was a Democracy?

The problem with the Hitler comparison is, its like comparing a mass murderer with Mickey mouse.

I can see some similarities though. I mean, wasn't it Hitler who blamed specific groups of immigrants for all Germany's Problems and made promises to eliminate them? Fortunately, the difference between Trump and Hitler is, Trump will never have a personal paramilitary militia at his beck and call.

This is a guy who wants a wall built between Mexico and the US and he wants the Mexicans to build and pay for it!. He wants to deport all Mexicans and that includes birthright Mexicans.

He's a fool who is preaching in the direction of a small vocal minority. He won't get in.

[Northern Monkey]

Seems like he has a lot of support.However this may be a step too far for people.

[Crimson Dynamo]

He is offering a solution to a menace, beit misguided or not

What other solutions are being offered?

[user104658]

He is offering a solution to a menace, beit misguided or not

What other solutions are being offered?

The "solution" of not inadvertantly pushing thousands more young Muslims in the direction of radicalisation by turning them into boogeymen and pariahs?

"Other people aren't offering solutions to make it better" isn't really an excuse for actively making it worse, is it?

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"*tut* Well, it might have been misguided but no one else was offering a solution were they? Sooorr-y for trying to help :shrug:"

[the truth]

That man is a nut job and a scary one at that.

he is a nutter BUT angela merkel is a bigger nutter for open borders and the insane schengen agreement that allows terrorists to move from the middle east to Europe unchecked...yet no one is saying anything about that.

[Denver]

Ban him from the universe useless idiot

[DemolitionRed]

he is a nutter BUT angela merkel is a bigger nutter for open borders and the insane schengen agreement that allows terrorists to move from the middle east to Europe unchecked...yet no one is saying anything about that.

Merkel and Trump are polar opposites, though we could say there are similarities, in that they both offer easy fixes. Whilst Trump is playing on the fears and dreams of a majority ethnic group that believed itself to be entitled, Merkel, has also fuelled the fears and dream of a majority ethnic group. Trump wants to give his majority a scape goat, Merkel has, though quite unintentionally, already done that. The big difference is, Merkel responded with compassion to our world’s largest humanitarian crisis since WW2 and Trump wants to create a humanitarian crisis.

As for terrorists moving from the middle east to Europe unchecked...that really needs its own thread. Actually I think there is one but it may of fallen into the archives.

[the truth]

Merkel and Trump are polar opposites, though we could say there are similarities, in that they both offer easy fixes. Whilst Trump is playing on the fears and dreams of a majority ethnic group that believed itself to be entitled, Merkel, has also fuelled the fears and dream of a majority ethnic group. Trump wants to give his majority a scape goat, Merkel has, though quite unintentionally, already done that. The big difference is, Merkel responded with compassion to our world’s largest humanitarian crisis since WW2 and Trump wants to create a humanitarian crisis.

As for terrorists moving from the middle east to Europe unchecked...that really needs its own thread. Actually I think there is one but it may of fallen into the archives.

It doesn't need its own thread it must be part of this thread as it is directly interconnected and must be treated as such. Merkel is far more dangerous than trump or any western politician. Her European project with no accounts for nearly 20 years is a frightening disaster. Her open borders, unchecked , no paperwork, Schengen nightmare which was mocked by the paris bombers, is going to see Europe go up in flames. Trump may be a crazy bigot but closing borders is probably a safer extreme at this stage than merkels insane euro zone disaster

[arista]

He is offering a solution to a menace, beit misguided or not

What other solutions are being offered?


Also its a "Temporary" Ban
that should be on the heading

[DemolitionRed]

So what do you think about his idea for the Mexicans to build a wall and lock themselves behind it? When he was questioned about the lack of poor work forces this would create, he suggested importing poor blacks from Baltimore to do the work the Mexicans are presently doing.

Syrian immigration is just a more recent ingredient that's been added to his poison.

[arista]

"the Mexicans to build a wall "


his fans loved that

[Crimson Dynamo]

The reality is until America admit that their own god is fictitious and that their own religion is a load of hypocritical hokus-pokus they cant really call out Islam

[martinisok]

In the last 10 years more people have been killed by gun crime than by terrorism. Why is nobody interested in banning guns?

[Smithy]

In the last 10 years more people have been killed by gun crime than by terrorism. Why is nobody interested in banning guns?

!!!

[bots]

Trump's views are in the main designed to appeal to the extremist audience. Will that win him the presidency, I hope not, but then, when choices are limited, people go for the unusual as typified by labour choosing Corbyn as their leader.

America do need some form of controls and checks on immigration, he is not wrong there, its just his methods are extremist and ludicrous in equal measure.

[Kizzy]

he is a nutter BUT angela merkel is a bigger nutter for open borders and the insane schengen agreement that allows terrorists to move from the middle east to Europe unchecked...yet no one is saying anything about that.

Regarding the Schengen agreement if this were a route that terrorists take then the UK would've been flooded with terrorists years ago. The 7/7 terror attack used radicalised home grown terrorists.

[DemolitionRed]

It doesn't need its own thread it must be part of this thread as it is directly interconnected and must be treated as such. Merkel is far more dangerous than trump or any western politician. Her European project with no accounts for nearly 20 years is a frightening disaster. Her open borders, unchecked , no paperwork, Schengen nightmare which was mocked by the paris bombers, is going to see Europe go up in flames. Trump may be a crazy bigot but closing borders is probably a safer extreme at this stage than merkels insane euro zone disaster

There was only one Paris bomber that came out of Syria, all the others were home grown.

Fear is one of the strongest motivators for human behaviour, I believe your fears are irrational, but I can understand why you fear the way you do.

I don't believe for a moment that ISIS is sending its jihadist warriors over to our shores via potentially sinkable boats because they are already here and most of them were born here. Radicalisation is frightening because potentially it could be huge. Its very possible that some of these refugees could be radicalised but the reality is, if ISIS wanted to send terror cells to our shores, they would send them business class out of Saudi. They would arrive on temporary business visa's with all the credentials necessary, just like the terrorist cells that brought about 9/11. ISIS is an incredibly wealthy organization; they recruit soldiers by allowing them the spoils of war. They are paid large salaries and just like Nazi occupied areas, their soldiers live in the grandest of houses. If they wanted to disperse them throughout Europe they would have to make it worth their while.

Re- the terrorists of 9/11, Each and every one of them had been flown in, mostly from SA under the disguise of rich business families. They were housed in affluent areas and given playboy lifestyles. Nobody was in the slightest bit suspicious, why would they be?. These are the types we should be looking out for and not the penniless refugee who's only worldly goods are the clothes on their backs.

[the truth]

There was only one Paris bomber that came out of Syria, all the others were home grown.

Fear is one of the strongest motivators for human behaviour, I believe your fears are irrational, but I can understand why you fear the way you do.

I don't believe for a moment that ISIS is sending its jihadist warriors over to our shores via potentially sinkable boats because they are already here and most of them were born here. Radicalisation is frightening because potentially it could be huge. Its very possible that some of these refugees could be radicalised but the reality is, if ISIS wanted to send terror cells to our shores, they would send them business class out of Saudi. They would arrive on temporary business visa's with all the credentials necessary, just like the terrorist cells that brought about 9/11. ISIS is an incredibly wealthy organization; they recruit soldiers by allowing them the spoils of war. They are paid large salaries and just like Nazi occupied areas, their soldiers live in the grandest of houses. If they wanted to disperse them throughout Europe they would have to make it worth their while.

Re- the terrorists of 9/11, Each and every one of them had been flown in, mostly from SA under the disguise of rich business families. They were housed in affluent areas and given playboy lifestyles. Nobody was in the slightest bit suspicious, why would they be?. These are the types we should be looking out for and not the penniless refugee who's only worldly goods are the clothes on their backs.

6 of the 8 paris bombers have travelled freely back and forth in the last few months from the middle east to france without having their papers check...The trouble is with the Schengen agreement and the open border policy is 1) You cannot document and check people 2) Even if you do track them down they are able to move from country to country and are even more difficult to track down and catch. This is exactly what used to happen chasing down terrorists in Northern Ireland who regularly border hopped down south. There are now millions of refugees , all arriving at the same time and its purely logical to assume when we cannot check their papers that amongst them will be all different types of people and as france has proved some will inevitably be terrorists too. We need to check and vet people properly before letting them into Europe and into the UK. If that is racist then call me racist and I will call you a liar. no offence.

[Kizzy]

6 of the 8 paris bombers have travelled freely back and forth in the last few months from the middle east to france without having their papers check...The trouble is with the Schengen agreement and the open border policy is 1) You cannot document and check people 2) Even if you do track them down they are able to move from country to country and are even more difficult to track down and catch. This is exactly what used to happen chasing down terrorists in Northern Ireland who regularly border hopped down south. There are now millions of refugees , all arriving at the same time and its purely logical to assume when we cannot check their papers that amongst them will be all different types of people and as france has proved some will inevitably be terrorists too. We need to check and vet people properly before letting them into Europe and into the UK. If that is racist then call me racist and I will call you a liar. no offence.

How many people go to the middle east from Paris per year for business or to visit family?....You don't have to monitor people unless there is specific reason to.
That is pure paranoia.

[the truth]

How many people go to the middle east from Paris per year for business or to visit family?....You don't have to monitor people unless there is specific reason to.
That is pure paranoia.

as always you misunderstand and misinterpret....people can go back and forth from the middle east to france without even having their passports checked...that is insane

[Kizzy]

as always you misunderstand and misinterpret....people can go back and forth from the middle east to france without even having their passports checked...that is insane

No you can't.

[bots]

as always you misunderstand and misinterpret....people can go back and forth from the middle east to france without even having their passports checked...that is insane

that's because they were/are basically French colonies. The people you speak of are to all intents and purposes French

[Northern Monkey]

When i see Trump speak its like i'm watching some kind of spoof American political comedy.Just can't take him seriously.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Whether you like it or not Trump is speaking for a lot of Americans right now

[Tom4784]

I think the Hitler comparisons are apt, Hitler didn't exactly start his time in power with the Holocaust, he built that situation up over time.

Trump wants Muslims to wear his version of a 'Star of David' and now he wants to stop them from coming to America? It'll be segregation next and then it'll get worse and worse.

Thankfully he'll be easy prey for any of the democratic candidates to feast upon when it comes to the Election.

[Kizzy]

Here's hoping, I get a really eerie similarity from it too.

[the truth]

No you can't.

yes you can, youre lying

[the truth]

I think the Hitler comparisons are apt, Hitler didn't exactly start his time in power with the Holocaust, he built that situation up over time.

Trump wants Muslims to wear his version of a 'Star of David' and now he wants to stop them from coming to America? It'll be segregation next and then it'll get worse and worse.

Thankfully he'll be easy prey for any of the democratic candidates to feast upon when it comes to the Election.

lol complete and utter nonsense

[the truth]

that's because they were/are basically French colonies. The people you speak of are to all intents and purposes French

wrong...the Schengen agreement involves several nations including germany

[the truth]

When i see Trump speak its like i'm watching some kind of spoof American political comedy.Just can't take him seriously.

theres only 1 thing crazier than this right winger nutter banning muslims and that's left wing nutjobs banning free speech

[Tom4784]

Here's hoping, I get a really eerie similarity from it too.

It'll be the easiest win for the democrats ever. His appeal is limited to the ultra conservatives and while that'll be enough to get him the Republican nod he'll never be able to win over any liberals, minorities, LGBT related people or anyone who isn't a racist.

Republicans will never again win the white house until they grasp the fact that they need more than just the middle class white vote to win.

[Kizzy]

wrong...the Schengen agreement involves several nations including germany

But not the middle east.

[Tom4784]

theres only 1 thing crazier than this right winger nutter banning muslims and that's left wing nutjobs banning free speech

So your imaginary scenario is worse than a potential real one?

[the truth]

So your imaginary scenario is worse than a potential real one?

terrorism is real ....a potential real scenario as you describe is by definition imaginary. youre desperately confused

[the truth]

But not the middle east.

yes the middle east to several European countries, keep up

[Tom4784]

terrorism is real ....a potential real scenario as you describe is by definition imaginary. youre desperately confused

Considering that has no relevance on 'left win nutters banning free speech' I think it's you that's more than a little confused....about a lot of things...

[Livia]

yes the middle east to several European countries, keep up

Which countries, exactly? I go back and forth the the Middle East all the time and I don't know of one Middle Eastern country that flies people into Europe without them having passports. Not one.

[the truth]

Considering that has no relevance on 'left win nutters banning free speech' I think it's you that's more than a little confused....about a lot of things...

That sentence makes no sense.

[Tom4784]

yes the middle east to several European countries, keep up

I see The Truth is telling lies again.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schengen_Agreement

Nothing about the Middle East being apart of the agreement there. It would be fairly significant if they were, no?

[Tom4784]

That sentence makes no sense.

Now you know how everyone feels when they read your posts.

[the truth]

Now you know how everyone feels when they read your posts.

These bombers came back and forth from the middle east to france and Belgium undetected and papers unchecked in the weeks leading up to the massacre. you can choose to be as fickle and frivolous as you like, I find that attitude revolting. They were mocking the lax border controls in the run up to this horrific act of terrorism. The agreement and the borders needs to be massively tightened. and those asking for border tightening shouldn't have to worry about being called racist by left wing nutjobs

[bots]

The Schengen agreement is fine, the difficulty comes from the varying agreements that the included countries have with countries outside the agreement. Therefore someone dodgy coming in will always choose the country with the minimum controls

It is still possible to enter some countries within the Schengen agreement on a drivers license. I've seen it done.

[the truth]

The Schengen agreement is fine, the difficulty comes from the varying agreements that the included countries have with countries outside the agreement. Therefore someone dodgy coming in will always choose the country with the minimum controls

It is still possible to enter some countries within the Schengen agreement on a drivers license. I've seen it done.

its not fine at all....it makes it infinitely harder to track down illegal immigrants and terrorists

[Tom4784]

These bombers came back and forth from the middle east to france and Belgium undetected and papers unchecked in the weeks leading up to the massacre. you can choose to be as fickle and frivolous as you like, I find that attitude revolting. They were mocking the lax border controls in the run up to this horrific act of terrorism. The agreement and the borders needs to be massively tightened. and those asking for border tightening shouldn't have to worry about being called racist by left wing nutjobs

What does any of that have to do with the Schengen Agreement? The Agreement only applies to travel between the countries who have signed the agreement, the Middle East aren't part of the Schengen area.

[EspeonBB]

So the right to religious freedom (as stated in the Constitution) only applies to Christians and not Muslims? OK Donald :joker:

[Samm]

Whether you like it or not Trump is speaking for a lot of Americans right now

No he's not lmao

[JoshBB]

Disgusting and racist. Says a lot about Republicans that he's still frontrunner..

[billy123]

Whether you like it or not Trump is speaking for a lot of Americans right now
Trump is speaking on behalf of uneducated racist bigots and if that turns out to be the majority of the voting citizens of the US then i really do fear for them as a country.
After all they were so so different when they migrated en-mass to America they treated the indigenous people of that country with respect and adapted to their their culture so well didnt they?
OH no wait they murdered the fcuk out of them and took it as their own! Talk about hypocrisy.

[Kizzy]

Disgusting and racist. Says a lot about Republicans that he's still frontrunner..

It does :/

[bots]

Disgusting and racist. Says a lot about Republicans that he's still frontrunner..

it shows up the pretence of the USA having democratic elections. It is a joke that with a population of 320 million, they can't find candidates that would make the possibility of him winning zero

[DemolitionRed]

We need to check and vet people properly before letting them into Europe and into the UK. If that is racist then call me racist and I will call you a liar. no offence.

I strongly agree. We have to have a system in place that can better check the credentials of those entering our shores.

Why on earth would I call you a racist?

[Crimson Dynamo]

No he's not lmao

well we shall see who votes for him

i am guessing quite a few

[GiRTh]

Finally it looks like he's gone too far, like the proposal for the wall with the door wasnt far enough. This latest idiotic idea has been roundly slammed by his supporters and opponents.

[GiRTh]

Donald Trump's Muslim US ban call roundly condemned


Republican presidential hopeful Donald Trump has provoked condemnation from across the political spectrum, by saying Muslims should be banned from entering the US.

Republicans, Democrats, Muslim leaders, the UN and foreign leaders criticised the call as dangerous and divisive.

Mr Trump said many Muslims nursed a "hatred" towards America.

He said they should be banned "until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on".

His campaign manager said that would apply to "everybody" - would-be immigrants and tourists. But Mr Trump told Fox News it would "not apply to people living in the country", adding that Muslims serving in the US military would "come home".

Mr Trump's statement was delivered as the US comes to terms with its deadliest terror attack since 9/11.

Last week a Muslim couple, believed to have been radicalised, opened fire and killed 14 people at a health centre in San Bernardino.

Mr Trump's proposed ban prompted a horrified reaction from Republicans and others.

Rival candidate Jeb Bush called Mr Trump "unhinged", while former US Vice-President Dick Cheney said it "goes against everything we stand for and believe in".

"Just foolish," said Republican Arizona Senator John McCain.

Mr Trump's comments were contrary to US values and its national security interests, a statement from the White House said.

The UK's Conservative Prime Minister David Cameron said they were "divisive, unhelpful and quite simply wrong".

Trump's 'highly respected' pollsters- Who are they?

Tough talk- Katty Kay on why his rhetoric wins

'Will the camps have wifi?' - Trump's proposal met with humour online

Police 'afraid' in 'radicalised' London- Trump claims officers "are afraid for their lives"

"Donald Trump sounds more like a leader of a lynch mob than a great nation like ours,'' said Nihad Awad, national executive director of the Council on American-Islamic Relations.

"These are not just words... Trump and Carson's mainstreaming of Islamophobia in the election is inciting discrimination, hate crimes, violent attacks against Muslims and mosques."

The pro-Jewish Anti-Defamation League said the plan was "deeply offensive and runs contrary to our nation's deepest values.

"In the Jewish community, we know all too well what can happen when a particular religious group is singled out for stereotyping and scapegoating."

Meanwhile, the Democratic mayor of St Petersburg, Florida, announced to Twitter plaudits that he was "hereby barring Donald Trump from entering St Petersburg until we fully understand the dangerous threat posed by all Trumps".

Mr Trump took part in heated interviews on several US television networks on Tuesday, defending the proposal and saying it was temporary measure to prevent "many more World Trade Centers".

On ABC's Good Morning America, he said "what I'm doing is no different than FDR," referring to policies implemented by President Franklin Roosevelt during World War Two against Japanese, German and Italian people in the US. Some of those measures saw over 100,000 people detained in government camps.

At one point during a lengthy interview on MSNBC, presenter Joe Scarborough forced the network into a commercial break after the candidate repeatedly talked over journalists, refusing to answer questions.

Some of his Republican rivals - mindful, perhaps, that Mr Trump's more outlandish proposals only appear to have bolstered his poll ratings - were more nuanced in their criticism.

Carly Fiorina used her response to take simultaneous aim at President Barack Obama, saying his "overreaction is as dangerous as President Obama's under-reaction" - while Ted Cruz said: "Well, that is not my policy."

Ben Carson said visitors to the US should be monitored, but added: "I do not and would not advocate being selective on one's religion."

Mr Trump's plans were not universally derided.

He garnered loud cheers when he repeated his ban pledge at a South Carolina rally hours after his initial statement.

A handful of supporters backed Mr Trump online, with controversial conservative commentator Ann Coulter tweeting: "GO TRUMP, GO!"

The BBC's Anthony Zurcher, in Washington, says Mr Trump, whose poll ratings have risen after other hardline statements, has set down a marker that will force his fellow candidates to stand with him or risk his ire.

The UN refugee agency UNHCR said it was concerned that the rhetoric was putting an "incredibly important" resettlement programme for vulnerable Syrian refugees at risk.

Spokeswoman Melissa Fleming said remarks not just by Mr Trump but by a number of US state governors could undermine a programme designed to help the most vulnerable refugees.

The US currently accepts several thousand refugees for resettlement each year, following a rigorous security screening which lasts around two years.

Mr Trump's statement to reporters on Monday said polling by the Center for Security Policy, a conservative think-tank, suggested that 25% of Muslims in the US believed violence against America was justified.

"Without looking at the various polling data, it is obvious to anybody the hatred is beyond comprehension. Where this hatred comes from and why, we will have to determine.

"Until we [do]... our country cannot be the victims of horrendous attacks by people that believe only in jihad."

On Sunday, President Obama made a rare Oval Office address in response to the San Bernardino attack and warned against the US falling prey to divisiveness.

LINK (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-35037701)

Its an indication of how crazy this idea is when Ann Coulter is the only one supporting it.

[MTVN]

It's a real gift to his Republican opponents, they needed something like this. The next Republican debate is a week today, Trump is going to have a very tough time of it

Of course he's made quite extreme statements before and it hasn't hindered his campaign but I think this might be different: there's been condemnation from a lot of other Republicans including those who are very well respected and have achieved a lot in their careers, not just his current opponents

[bots]

It's a real gift to his Republican opponents, they needed something like this. The next Republican debate is a week today, Trump is going to have a very tough time of it

Of course he's made quite extreme statements before and it hasn't hindered his campaign but I think this might be different: there's been condemnation from a lot of other Republicans including those who are very well respected and have achieved a lot in their careers, not just his current opponents

I would like to think it was true, but for all the shouts of ridiculous, there is a growing trend of extremist views gaining traction across the globe. Extremists latch on to main stream causes and blur the bounds of what is considered acceptable. Its all quite worrying.

[Crimson Dynamo]

is he that bothered about the opinions of the press and politicians?

I think he may well have struck a chord with a swathe of America

Look at how well Le Penn is doing in France

[Crimson Dynamo]

Every time political commentators predict that an "outrageous" comment by him meant he had finally gone too far, the voters disagree and his poll numbers just go higher.

we shall see

[DemolitionRed]

is he that bothered about the opinions of the press and politicians?

I think he may well have struck a chord with a swathe of America

Look at how well Le Penn is doing in France

I get the impression you are all for this fascist?

[Crimson Dynamo]

I get the impression you are all for this fascist?

I think to dismiss him as a fascist is folly

[Samm]

I get the impression you are all for this fascist?

.

[Crimson Dynamo]

.

http://www.slate.com/content/dam/slate/blogs/moneybox/2015/08/16/donald_trump_on_immigration_build_border_fence_mak e_mexico_pay_for_it/483208412-real-estate-tycoon-donald-trump-flashes-the-thumbs-up.jpg.CROP.promo-xlarge2.jpg

[EspeonBB]

This isn't going to harm his popularity tho. His brainwashed, idiotic supporters will lap this up (especially in light of recent events where people's fear overrides their common sense)

[Nedusa]

It's actually heartening to hear a politician speaking openly and honestly. Japanese people were temporarily interned at the start of WW2 because they posed a potential risk. What's the difference. Muslims currently are at war with the west and we are all targets.

All potential Muslim immigrants require careful and in depth vetting, so having a temporary ban on Muslims is actually not such a bad idea.

[Johnnyuk123]

It's actually heartening to hear a politician speaking openly and honestly. Japanese people were temporarily interned at the start of WW2 because they posed a potential risk. What's the difference. Muslims currently are at war with the west and we are all targets.

All potential Muslim immigrants require careful and in depth vetting, so having a temporary ban on Muslims is actually not such a bad idea.

:clap1::clap1::clap1:

[Crimson Dynamo]

It's actually heartening to hear a politician speaking openly and honestly. Japanese people were temporarily interned at the start of WW2 because they posed a potential risk. What's the difference. Muslims currently are at war with the west and we are all targets.

All potential Muslim immigrants require careful and in depth vetting, so having a temporary ban on Muslims is actually not such a bad idea.

http://www.slate.com/content/dam/slate/blogs/the_slatest/2015/07/30/donald_trump_revelations_media_vetting_is_so_far_n ot_eroding_his_support/482327612-republican-presidential-candidate-donald-trump-gives.jpg.CROP.promo-xlarge2.jpg

[Samm]

It's actually heartening to hear a politician speaking openly and honestly. Japanese people were temporarily interned at the start of WW2 because they posed a potential risk. What's the difference. Muslims currently are at war with the west and we are all targets.

All potential Muslim immigrants require careful and in depth getting, so having a temporary ban on Muslims is actually not such a bad idea.

That was the late 1930s a lot has changed since then, and just because they did it back then doesn't mean it's right now, and out of the total population of American Muslims the amount of isis supports in there will be tiny very very tiny, I'm not even going to call the Isis supports Muslims because they aren't at all.

It actually disgraces me that people think like this, have we learnt nothing from the past?

[GiRTh]

That was the late 1930s a lot has changed since then, and just because they did it back then doesn't mean it's right now, and out of the total population of American Muslims the amount of isis supports in there will be tiny very very tiny, I'm not even going to call the Isis supports Muslims because they aren't at all.

It actually disgraces me that people think like this, have we learnt nothing from the past?:clap1:

[DemolitionRed]

It's actually heartening to hear a politician speaking openly and honestly. Japanese people were temporarily interned at the start of WW2 because they posed a potential risk. What's the difference. Muslims currently are at war with the west and we are all targets.

All potential Muslim immigrants require careful and in depth vetting, so having a temporary ban on Muslims is actually not such a bad idea.

So what happens to all the genuine Muslims who are fleeing war torn Syria? Should we just send them all back?
Should we stop Muslims travelling temporarily too? because Muslims that were born and bred in America go on business trips and holidays abroad just like we do.

[GiRTh]

Every time political commentators predict that an "outrageous" comment by him meant he had finally gone too far, the voters disagree and his poll numbers just go higher.

we shall see
Not true. He hadnt been leading by much recently and for a time Ben Carson was leading. Latest polls indicate the race is now quite close.

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/latest-polling-points-key-changes-republican-race

http://www.vox.com/2015/12/7/9865648/iowa-gop-poll-cruz-trump

[Johnnyuk123]

You've gotta love this mans honesty and passion. :thumbs:
http://www.musinwor.com/mu/q_dt.jpg

[EspeonBB]

It's actually heartening to hear a politician speaking openly and honestly. Japanese people were temporarily interned at the start of WW2 because they posed a potential risk. What's the difference. Muslims currently are at war with the west and we are all targets.

All potential Muslim immigrants require careful and in depth vetting, so having a temporary ban on Muslims is actually not such a bad idea.

What about American Muslims who haven't caused any trouble that leave the country? Should they not be allowed back into their home country?

[Crimson Dynamo]

That was the late 1930s a lot has changed since then, and just because they did it back then doesn't mean it's right now, and out of the total population of American Muslims the amount of isis supports in there will be tiny very very tiny, I'm not even going to call the Isis supports Muslims because they aren't at all.

It actually disgraces me that people think like this, have we learnt nothing from the past?

"and out of the total population of American Muslims the amount of isis supports in there will be tiny very very tiny"

evidence?

[Samm]

You've gotta love this mans honesty and passion. :thumbs:
http://1wdojq181if3tdg01yomaof86.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/Trump.jpg

Yeah his passion for being a racist bigot is really loveable!

[Samm]

"and out of the total population of American Muslims the amount of isis supports in there will be tiny very very tiny"

evidence?

There doesn't need to be any evidence because it's a fact

[Crimson Dynamo]

There doesn't need to be any evidence because it's a fact

lol

ok biff

[BB4fan]

hmm reminds me of someone..

http://www.jordanorlando.com/ns/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/trump-is-hitler1.jpg

He is put there for Hillary's benefit.

[DemolitionRed]

I knew Johnny would be jumping in once he knew he had back up!

[Crimson Dynamo]

I knew Johnny would be jumping in once he knew he had back up!

:nono: you musnt get personal

[DemolitionRed]

:nono: you musnt get personal

Oh it got personal some time back.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Oh it got personal some time back.

then feel free to report members

[GiRTh]

"and out of the total population of American Muslims the amount of isis supports in there will be tiny very very tiny"

evidence?

ISIS Sympathizers In The U.S. Are Mostly Young, Male And American

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/isis-supporters-in-america_565dd4dae4b079b2818bd803

ISIS is pretty much despised in most Muslim countries.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/11/17/in-nations-with-significant-muslim-populations-much-disdain-for-isis/

[Crimson Dynamo]

ISIS Sympathizers In The U.S. Are Mostly Young, Male And American

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/isis-supporters-in-america_565dd4dae4b079b2818bd803

ISIS is pretty much despised in most Muslim countries.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/11/17/in-nations-with-significant-muslim-populations-much-disdain-for-isis/

yes girth they have young supporters we know

you dont get middle aged suicide bombers


the other survey is not concerned with the USA

[Kizzy]

then feel free to report members

Goading isn't very constructive, the support Trump gets is on the wane in the US thankfully, and thankfully that's where it counts.

[GiRTh]

yes girth they have young supporters we know

you dont get middle aged suicide bombers


the other survey is not concerned with the USAI know it isnt dealing with the US but it shows ISIS are despised by 90% of Muslims who live in Muslim countries. I doubt the figure is higher in the USA.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I know it isnt dealing with the US but it shows ISIS are despised by 90% of Muslims who live in Muslim countries. I doubt the figure is higher in the USA.

Sample Size: 1,000

:umm2:

[Kizzy]

Sample Size: 1,000

:umm2:

900 out of 1000 people asked is still a huge number :umm2:

[GiRTh]

Sample Size: 1,000

:umm2:What were you expecting the poll size to be? Were you expecting a national census in each country?:joker:

[EspeonBB]

Sample Size: 1,000

:umm2:

Do you know what sampling is? :joker:

[GiRTh]

900 out of 1000 people asked is still a huge number :umm2:Exactly. :thumbs:

[Crimson Dynamo]

What were you expecting the poll size to be? Were you expecting a national census in each country?:joker:

its mainenly a phone poll and 1000 is bollocks

"hi, do you support ISIS :suspect:"

"er, no"

:laugh2:

[Johnnyuk123]

I agree with Donald on this 100%
https://45.media.tumblr.com/9bafb2ea6e616cb16784e8b7beb6cd52/tumblr_nsptouEpyC1sttla5o1_500.gif

[GiRTh]

its mainenly a phone poll and 1000 is bollocks

"hi, do you support ISIS :suspect:"

"er, no"

:laugh2:Instead of discrediting the poll why don't you provide figures to indicate otherwise.

90% in any poll is an overwhelming majority.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Instead of discrediting the poll why don't you provide figures to indicate otherwise.

90% in any poll is an overwhelming majority.

Yes I am particularly enlivened to find that 8% of residents in Burkina Faso support ISIS and that in say Indonesia 50 MILLION PEOPLE either support ISIS or dont think they are overwhelmingly negative

:umm2:

[Crimson Dynamo]

and in Malaysia its 1 in 3 :facepalm:


jesus Christ on a bike

[GiRTh]

This poll is one of the only ones that has been done. All the others also indicate low percentages in support of ISIS.

[Tom4784]

It's actually heartening to hear a politician speaking openly and honestly. Japanese people were temporarily interned at the start of WW2 because they posed a potential risk. What's the difference. Muslims currently are at war with the west and we are all targets.

All potential Muslim immigrants require careful and in depth vetting, so having a temporary ban on Muslims is actually not such a bad idea.

How horribly racist of you, not only are you trying to justify the internment of an entire religion but you're justifying the internment of an entire race of people based on no reason but your own hysteria.

I pity anyone who is this hysterical, you've lost sight of what is right and wrong.

[GiRTh]

How horribly racist of you, not only are you trying to justify the internment of an entire religion but you're justifying the internment of an entire race of people based on no reason but your own hysteria.

I pity anyone who is this hysterical, you've lost sight of what is right and wrong.
:clap1:

[Kizzy]

Agree Dezzy the paranoia is tangible at the moment, building a pressure cooker environment isn't a good idea shut the guy off ffs! Just because he has a few dollars he's allowed to spout whatever the hell he likes.
What the hell is he trying to do?....

[GiRTh]

Agree Dezzy the paranoia is tangible at the moment, building a pressure cooker environment isn't a good idea shut the guy off ffs! Just because he has a few dollars he's allowed to spout whatever the hell he likes.
What the hell is he trying to do?....Not sure. The polls indicate the race is now quite close and I think anyone who is gonna vote for Trump is probably already supporting him, so not sure how he thinks he's gonna pick up votes with these comments. I dont know that he's trying to do at all.

[bots]

I know it isnt dealing with the US but it shows ISIS are despised by 90% of Muslims who live in Muslim countries. I doubt the figure is higher in the USA.

I dearly hope that its not representative because 10% support is a big following.

Lets put that into perspective, at the last election, the liberal democrats had 7.9% share of the vote, UKIP 12% and labour 30%

I would expect a terrorist organisation to have less than 1% share of the vote (support) if they really were outlawed.

[GiRTh]

I dearly hope that its not representative because 10% support is a big following.

Lets put that into perspective, at the last election, the liberal democrats had 7.9% share of the vote, UKIP 12% and labour 30%

I would expect a terrorist organisation to have less than 1% share of the vote (support) if they really were outlawed.
Personally, I think the 62% of 'dont knows' in Pakistan is quite disturbing but most of the favaorables are under 10 % with many under 5 %.

[Johnnyuk123]

This is really interesting.
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[T*]

donald trump: *says something controversial for attention*

*people then give him the attention*

*donald trump cackles in his chair because you've just done what he wanted you to do- get you talking about him and maybe attract some supporters*

[MTVN]

donald trump: *says something controversial for attention*

*people then give him the attention*

*donald trump cackles in his chair because you've just done what he wanted you to do- get you talking about him and maybe attract some supporters*

He's not Katie Hopkins, this is the guy leading the polls to be the Republican candidate for President, he's not going to go away if people stop talking about him

[Kizzy]

He's not Katie Hopkins, this is the guy leading the polls to be the Republican candidate for President, he's not going to go away if people stop talking about him

He's totally like Katie Hopkins... He's like Katie Hopkins on steroids.

[DemolitionRed]

He's not Katie Hopkins, this is the guy leading the polls to be the Republican candidate for President, he's not going to go away if people stop talking about him

And I doubt he gives a flying F what the Brits say.

[DemolitionRed]

He's totally like Katie Hopkins... He's like Katie Hopkins on steroids.

:joker:

[the truth]

THE FAR LEFT ARE just as dangerous as the far right, the only difference is they know how to hide behind each other

[Nedusa]

How horribly racist of you, not only are you trying to justify the internment of an entire religion but you're justifying the internment of an entire race of people based on no reason but your own hysteria.

I pity anyone who is this hysterical, you've lost sight of what is right and wrong.

Some people are sad misguided stupid and ignorant ,given your comments above i suggest you have lost sight of what is right and wrong.

I pity anyone who is this blinkered...

[Mystic Mock]

Seriously there's too many dicks in this world.

Can't we put them all on a deserted Island never to be seen again? Starting with Donald Trump.

[Nedusa]

For the record the reason I hardly post on here anymore is that a certain minority of posters are unable to hold a sensible debate turn every thread into a personal slanging match and a large proportion of them hold the most inane, naive ,juvenile views.

They are not living in the real world more like a rosy make believe reality , they espouse liberal claptrap with no real understanding of how things actually are.

So when I give a point of view that is at odds with their viewpoint I am labelled as horribly racist.....really !!!!

****ing grow up....

[kirklancaster]

For the record the reason I hardly post on here anymore is that a certain minority of posters are unable to hold a sensible debate turn every thread into a personal slanging match and a large proportion of them hold the most inane, naive ,juvenile views.

They are not living in the real world more like a rosy make believe reality , they espouse liberal claptrap with no real understanding of how things actually are.

So when I give a point of view that is at odds with their viewpoint I am labelled as horribly racist.....really !!!!

****ing grow up....

:worship::worship::worship: I GENUINELY miss your posts and sadly have to agree with you.

[kirklancaster]

He's not Katie Hopkins, this is the guy leading the polls to be the Republican candidate for President, he's not going to go away if people stop talking about him

:laugh: Ha ha - NO he is most certainly not. Trump is NOBODY's fool, and I personally believe that certain people are going to be shocked by the outcome of the actual candidate race.

[Mystic Mock]

THE FAR LEFT ARE just as dangerous as the far right, the only difference is they know how to hide behind each other

I agree that the far left is just as dangerous as the far right, but America doesn't have a far left party or candidate in their country, you vote for either Tories (Democrats) or BNP (Republicans)

[lostalex]

That was the late 1930s a lot has changed since then, and just because they did it back then doesn't mean it's right now, and out of the total population of American Muslims the amount of isis supports in there will be tiny very very tiny, I'm not even going to call the Isis supports Muslims because they aren't at all.

It actually disgraces me that people think like this, have we learnt nothing from the past?

It wasn;t right back then either, actually the US government ended up having to pay reparations to the japnese americans who were put in internment camps. George Takei was in one as a child and he said the government paid his family 30 thousand dollars after the war was over.

[lostalex]

I agree that the far left is just as dangerous as the far right, but America doesn't have a far left party or candidate in their country, you vote for either Tories (Democrats) or BNP (Republicans)

We have far left groups though, like Occupy and BLM. Also the far left Green party lead by Ralph Nader was a major party in the 2000 election, it actually helped Bush win, which is why no one supports far left parties anymore. everyone on the left was pissed off at the Green party after that debacle.

[Tom4784]

Some people are sad misguided stupid and ignorant ,given your comments above i suggest you have lost sight of what is right and wrong.

I pity anyone who is this blinkered...

You think it's justifiable to punish an entire race or creed based on the actions of a few so you don't get to talk about anyone else's sense of morality.

Domestic terrorism is more common than Islamic terrorism in the states, should all white/christian people be placed in camps too since they've been responsible for more attacks in the past 10 years alone than Islamic terrorists have or are these camps only reserved for people who are different to you?

[Mystic Mock]

We have far left groups though, like Occupy and BLM. Also the far left Green party lead by Ralph Nader was a major party in the 2000 election, it actually helped Bush win, which is why no one supports far left parties anymore. everyone on the left was pissed off at the Green party after that debacle.

That's fair enough, I've never heard of Occupy and BLM, are they really extreme left then?

And tbh if I was American I would be angry at any party that was responsible for George W Bush being President too.:joker:

[letmein]

Donald Trump has never held political office and he's a failed businessman -- he declared bankruptcy FOUR TIMES. He should be forced to take a civics test. He definitely suffers from narcissistic personality disorder. The guy is a certified nutcase, but he's among friends when it comes to the Republican Party and its current crop of presidential nominee contenders.

[Kizzy]

For the record the reason I hardly post on here anymore is that a certain minority of posters are unable to hold a sensible debate turn every thread into a personal slanging match and a large proportion of them hold the most inane, naive ,juvenile views.

They are not living in the real world more like a rosy make believe reality , they espouse liberal claptrap with no real understanding of how things actually are.

So when I give a point of view that is at odds with their viewpoint I am labelled as horribly racist.....really !!!!

****ing grow up....

It isn't liberal claptrap to not demonise millions and millions of people.

If your view aligns with Trumps then you might have to accept that you could be seen as racist, as he is quite clearly very racist.

It's not inane or juvenile to make that correlation Nedusa, how else could you define such an action?

[Kizzy]

:worship::worship::worship: I GENUINELY miss your posts and sadly have to agree with you.

What are you agreeing is the restricted movement of all Muslims, that is the proposal Nedusa is in agreement with here, have you not just spent the past however many months saying 'I don't mean ALL Muslims'... Now it's shown you are open to a blanket ban!
Make up your mind.

[kirklancaster]

What are you agreeing is the restricted movement of all Muslims, that is the proposal Nedusa is in agreement with here, have you not just spent the past however many months saying 'I don't mean ALL Muslims'... Now it's shown you are open to a blanket ban!
Make up your mind.

:facepalm:

Look, I took heed of Josy's warning on the Tyson Fury post - which was very fair and very mild, given the toxicity of the thread - so I REALLY do not wish to become embroiled in personal argument on this thread, I really don't.

However - once again - you leave me no choice but to respond to you because -- once again -- you are leaping in, not only presumptiously telling me what I'm doing, but also telling me WHAT to do, when you are --- once again --- categorically, emphatically WRONG on ALL counts.

If only you would learn comprehension then you would not keep leaping in with misrepresentations based on misinterpretations.

NOWHERE in the actual post of Nedusa's which I specifically responded to, does she mention Donald Trump OR the banning of all Muslims. This being the absolute truth - how then how can my SPECIFIC response to that SPECIFIC post MEAN that what I am "agreeing to is the restricted movement of all Muslims" as you so wrongly accuse me of?

HERE is the ACTUAL post:

Originally Posted by Nedusa View Post
For the record the reason I hardly post on here anymore is that a certain minority of posters are unable to hold a sensible debate turn every thread into a personal slanging match and a large proportion of them hold the most inane, naive ,juvenile views.

They are not living in the real world more like a rosy make believe reality , they espouse liberal claptrap with no real understanding of how things actually are.

So when I give a point of view that is at odds with their viewpoint I am labelled as horribly racist.....really !!!!

****ing grow up...."


And my response is reproduced here:

Originally Posted by kirklancaster View Post
"I GENUINELY miss your posts and sadly have to agree with you."

I was not agreeing with any "restricted movement of all Muslims" whether that may or may not have been "Nedusa's proposal" in any earlier posts - , If I had have been, then I would have purposely responded to THAT particular post IN AGREEMENT of it.

So I think that to anyone with a brain, the above is patently obvious - as is the fact that because I DID NOT respond to such posts at all, let alone IN SUPPORT OF THEM, then it would be indicative of the fact that I DO NOT AGREE with such VIEWS.

No - what I was agreeing with are the general points in that specific post which Nedusa was making about the Serious Debate thread and certain members attitudes on certain subjects - hence my use of the word 'sadly' in "sadly I have to agree with you."

I used the word 'sadly' because the degeneration on Serious Debates to what it was when even I joined DOES personally sadden me, and why would I use such a personal word as 'Sadly' if it had anything to do with Trump or the banning of Muslims in the USA?

NO - you are wrong once again, which makes you once again look foolish, and makes the rest of your post offensive:

"have you not just spent the past however many months saying 'I don't mean ALL Muslims'... Now it's shown you are open to a blanket ban!
Make up your mind."


Last week you were similarly wrong and was proved wrong, but arrogantly refused to apologise to me, so I will not bother asking this time.

[Kizzy]

'I was agreeing with are the general points in that specific post which Nedusa was making about the Serious Debate thread and certain members attitudes on certain subjects'

Ah right, just after diluting the gene pool further then I see. Well if I am referred to there and I'm not saying am but I would be proud to be.
If there's only one perspective on an issue it ceases to be a debate imo.
Nobody has the inside track on 99% of these topics, we just have our say is all.

[smudgie]

Personally, I would ban all idiots, no matter how rich, to be able to run for the presidency.

[DemolitionRed]

It's actually heartening to hear a politician speaking openly and honestly. Japanese people were temporarily interned at the start of WW2 because they posed a potential risk. What's the difference. Muslims currently are at war with the west and we are all targets.

This isn't WW3 and we are not at war with the Muslims. If we were at war with Muslims then we would be fighting the Turks, the Iranians and Saudi Arabia; we would be fighting in Morocco, Mali, Egypt and many more countries across Africa and the far and middle east.

[Niamh.]

Kirk and Kizzy can I suggest that you put eachother on ignore. This constant bickering in here between you two is getting really annoying. Clearly you can't have a debate with eachother without getting personal with eachother so for yours and everyone elses sake, why don't you try it?

[kirklancaster]

Kirk and Kizzy can I suggest that you put eachother on ignore. This constant bickering in here between you two is getting really annoying. Clearly you can't have a debate with eachother without getting personal with eachother so for yours and everyone elses sake, why don't you try it?

Sorry Niamh, I have just posted a response to Kizzy before I saw your post. I think that I give an answer to your excellent suggestion in that post though Niamh.

I do not want banning so I think the only answer is for me to quit Serious Debates because I have GENUINELY tried the above suggestion and other ways.

[kirklancaster]

How about Niamh's suggestion Kizzy? I will abide by a mutual ignore agreement.

[Niamh.]

How about Niamh's suggestion Kizzy? I will abide by a mutual ignore agreement.

User CP - Edit Ignore List and add the name and Bob's your uncle. You don't need a debate about it

[Crimson Dynamo]

How about Niamh's suggestion Kizzy? I will abide by a mutual ignore agreement.

Its what Jeremy Corbyn would advise

[kirklancaster]

User CP - Edit Ignore List and add the name and Bob's your uncle. You don't need a debate about it

Sorry, I don't understand what you mean. This would be unilateral ignoring wouldn't it? Which does not satisfy me for the valid reason's given in the post of mine which has just been removed.

[Niamh.]

Sorry, I don't understand what you mean. This would be unilateral ignoring wouldn't it? Which does not satisfy me for the valid reason's given in the post of mine which has just been removed.

How's carrying on like you are working out for you?

[Crimson Dynamo]

How's carrying on like you are working out for you?

:hehe:

[kirklancaster]

How's carrying on like you are working out for you?

Is that a singular 'you' Niamh, or a plural 'you' meaning 'you two'? Because I am not to blame for this wearying saga no matter who thinks otherwise - and the truth is easily verifiable should those who blame me wish to check back through a lot of posts on a lot of threads or just the recent ones.

Yes, it is not working out, but I have tried ignoring the other party but that does not stop them responding to my posts to others with misrepresentations and false accusations. I am then left with a problem - respond to correct the wrongs or leave the wrong accusatory post there for posterity.

Hardly a fair option is it?

[Niamh.]

Is that a singular 'you' Niamh, or a plural 'you' meaning 'you two'? Because I am not to blame for this wearying saga no matter who thinks otherwise - and the truth is easily verifiable should those who blame me wish to check back through a lot of posts on a lot of threads or just the recent ones.

Yes, it is not working out, but I have tried ignoring the other party but that does not stop them responding to my posts to others with misrepresentations and false accusations. I am then left with a problem - respond to correct the wrongs or leave the wrong accusatory post there for posterity.

Hardly a fair option is it?

Singular "you" as I'm only talking to you right now. Honestly Kirk you're both as bad as eachother. I give up, you obviously don't want a solution :shrug:

[kirklancaster]

Singular "you" as I'm only talking to you right now. Honestly Kirk you're both as bad as eachother. I give up, you obviously don't want a solution :shrug:

I apologise Niamh, I do appreciate you trying to help. I really do, and I am as sick of it as you and others are - though to be fair, it is not only me and Kizzy who have been involved in such a manner lately.

I will use the ignore button and see how it goes. Thank you.

[Livia]

This isn't WW3 and we are not at war with the Muslims. If we were at war with Muslims then we would be fighting the Turks, the Iranians and Saudi Arabia; we would be fighting in Morocco, Mali, Egypt and many more countries across Africa and the far and middle east.



Right. So why the constant comparisons about the Jews and Nazi Germany every time a Muslim is perceived to have had his feelings hurt?

Actually the difference between Nazi Germany and here and now is that, Germany was never terrorised by the Jews. The Jews never planted bombs that killed civilians, they never beheaded German infidels, raped and killed women and children, promised never to rest until their flag was flying over Gestapo Headquarters. Also, the terrorist we are fighting right now hide amongst their innocent brothers a sisters making them a target so it's only to be expected that sometimes, those brothers and sisters are going to be a bit inconvenienced for the safety of us all.

[JoshBB]

Right. So why the constant comparisons about the Jews and Nazi Germany every time a Muslim is perceived to have had his feelings hurt?

Actually the difference between Nazi Germany and here and now is that, Germany was never terrorised by the Jews. The Jews never planted bombs that killed civilians, they never beheaded German infidels, raped and killed women and children, promised never to rest until their flag was flying over Gestapo Headquarters. Also, the terrorist we are fighting right now hide amongst their innocent brothers a sisters making them a target so it's only to be expected that sometimes, those brothers and sisters are going to be a bit inconvenienced for the safety of us all.

There were stories of crimes committed by Jewish people that were wholly taken out of proportion and used to create a state of fear while demonising Jewish people in WW2. It's the same demonisation process, and people are buying into it.

[Cherie]

You know it's bad when Farage is distancing himself

[Crimson Dynamo]

There were stories of crimes committed by Jewish people that were wholly taken out of proportion and used to create a state of fear while demonising Jewish people in WW2. It's the same demonisation process, and people are buying into it.

"there were stories"

and how does that equate to what al Qaeda and ISIS are doing?

[GiRTh]

You know it's bad when Farage is distancing himself:joker:

[Alf]

He can't get away saying that in this day and age. It was politcal suicide.

You have to surpress your feelings (unless your talking about White Christians, then thats fine)


Enoch Powell said much the same thing, he said they'll be rivers of blood, he was called a racsist, xenophobe, bigot. But it turns out he was correct.

[DemolitionRed]

[QUOTE=Livia;8342659]Right. So why the constant comparisons about the Jews and Nazi Germany every time a Muslim is perceived to have had his feelings hurt?

Are you referring those hurt feelings to the Muslims who are fleeing something so awful that we can easily liken it to the exodus of the Jews in WW2? or are you referring to media propaganda that would have us all spitting on Muslims in the street?

Actually the difference between Nazi Germany and here and now is that, Germany was never terrorised by the Jews.

True but then 99.9% of Muslims haven't attacked nor ever will attack British people on the street either.

The Jews never planted bombs that killed civilians, they never beheaded German infidels, raped and killed women and children, promised never to rest until their flag was flying over Gestapo Headquarters.

Again, 99.9% of Muslims haven't beheaded, raped and killed women and children and really don't want to hang their flag over Westminster.

The Daily Mail was constantly pumping out heinous propaganda headlines about the Jews arriving in Britain. According to that newspaper, no woman or child was safe.

Also, the terrorist we are fighting right now hide amongst their innocent brothers a sisters making them a target so it's only to be expected that sometimes, those brothers and sisters are going to be a bit inconvenienced for the safety of us all.

Inconvenienced? You mean inconvenienced in internment camps? Does that include the Muslim professors, Doctors, barristers and other professionals. Does it mean every corner shop has to be closed down whilst these Muslims are kept away from us for our own safety?

[Shaun]

It's a little daft to compare WW2 to the current situation when god knows how many ill - conceived arms deals and treaties and advancements in technology are to blame for any extremist and his gran being able to get a hold of a suicide vest. I doubt any given jew facing persecution from the Germans and what not could've defended themselves with much success, let alone go on acts of terror (not that they would of course - although perhaps a few attacks on military strongholds wouldn't have been inconceivable?)

[Crimson Dynamo]

Trump UK ban petition passes 200,000 signatures

[Tom4784]

Trump UK ban petition passes 200,000 signatures

:clap1:

[bots]

Trump UK ban petition passes 200,000 signatures

if the option to ban his hair was included it would be over 1 million already :joker:

[DemolitionRed]

It's a little daft to compare WW2 to the current situation when god knows how many ill - conceived arms deals and treaties and advancements in technology are to blame for any extremist and his gran being able to get a hold of a suicide vest. I doubt any given jew facing persecution from the Germans and what not could've defended themselves with much success, let alone go on acts of terror (not that they would of course - although perhaps a few attacks on military strongholds wouldn't have been inconceivable?)

The comparisons have been with the mass exodus. Lets remember, the Jews were persecuted by the Germans just like the moderate Sunni and Shiites have been persecuted by ISIS. When the Jews started arriving en-mass on our British shores, they were persecuted by a suspicious nation who believed the propaganda spin. Likewise, the Muslims who are arriving on our shores are being looked upon with equal suspicion.

If there are some radicals in those groups, they would of got here anyway. What we all should agree on is, most of these people are totally innocent and don't deserve the sort of persecution some people here would happily hand out.

[DemolitionRed]

if the option to ban his hair was included it would be over 1 million already :joker:

:joker:

[Crimson Dynamo]

The comparisons have been with the mass exodus. Lets remember, the Jews were persecuted by the Germans just like the moderate Sunni and Shiites have been persecuted by ISIS. When the Jews started arriving en-mass on our British shores, they were persecuted by a suspicious nation who believed the propaganda spin. Likewise, the Muslims who are arriving on our shores are being looked upon with equal suspicion.

If there are some radicals in those groups, they would of got here anyway. What we all should agree on is, most of these people are totally innocent and don't deserve the sort of persecution some people here would happily hand out.

then blame the radicals and not the people in the UK.

[Crimson Dynamo]

now 300,000

so 700,000 to go to beat the clarkson one

:laugh2:

these petitions are sad, they really are

[Kizzy]

Kirk and Kizzy can I suggest that you put eachother on ignore. This constant bickering in here between you two is getting really annoying. Clearly you can't have a debate with eachother without getting personal with eachother so for yours and everyone elses sake, why don't you try it?

How about you don't patronise me on a thread?
I haven't done anything wrong.

[Kizzy]

Right. So why the constant comparisons about the Jews and Nazi Germany every time a Muslim is perceived to have had his feelings hurt?

Actually the difference between Nazi Germany and here and now is that, Germany was never terrorised by the Jews. The Jews never planted bombs that killed civilians, they never beheaded German infidels, raped and killed women and children, promised never to rest until their flag was flying over Gestapo Headquarters. Also, the terrorist we are fighting right now hide amongst their innocent brothers a sisters making them a target so it's only to be expected that sometimes, those brothers and sisters are going to be a bit inconvenienced for the safety of us all.

You yourself found the suggestion of badges reminiscent though, that prompted a comparison. As Red said who is trapped in this net of suspicion, every Muslim on the planet, certain countries?

[the truth]

The comparisons have been with the mass exodus. Lets remember, the Jews were persecuted by the Germans just like the moderate Sunni and Shiites have been persecuted by ISIS. When the Jews started arriving en-mass on our British shores, they were persecuted by a suspicious nation who believed the propaganda spin. Likewise, the Muslims who are arriving on our shores are being looked upon with equal suspicion.

If there are some radicals in those groups, they would of got here anyway. What we all should agree on is, most of these people are totally innocent and don't deserve the sort of persecution some people here would happily hand out.

The brits saved the lives of 1000s of jews and even gave up properties and food during the war and times of ration to feed and clothe these jewish people. So your points on the Jews in Britain and grossly exaggerated and offensive

[bots]

I think the comparison is being painted the wrong way round. ISIS are going round persecuting and ethnic/religious cleansing. They have ambitions to conquer the world. That to me is the true comparison.

[Johnnyuk123]

Anyone know what percentage of ISIS members are still claiming UK benefits?

[AnnieK]

I'm confused....aren't ISIS being likened to Nazi Germany?? That comparison I can get...the ISIS ideology is pretty similar to the Nazis. Muslims, and in fact the rest of the world should be likened to the Jewish populace of WW2.... Anyone who doesn't the fit the ISIS ideology is dispensable and a target. Sounds very much like Nazi Germany to me....correct me if I'm wrong but when citizens are being murdered for being the wrong religion, colour, creed etc....it's scarily reminiscent

[kirklancaster]

So let's put this in perspective:

Donald Trump, the 'Front Runner' in the USA's Republican Candidate race, and therefore a legitimate politician, makes suggestions about banning all Muslims from the USA as a temporary precautionary measure until the current Islamic terrorist war on America is over - remarks which are undeniably, ludicrous, offensive and xenophobic but yet still legitimate under the US Laws on Free Speech - and over 300,000 UK 'citizens' sign a petition to ban him from the UK?

Trump has not tried to radicalise young Americans to go out and kill Muslims. Nor has he issued any threats to the UK or its people.

Can ANYONE on here recall ANY type of PUBLIC petition to expel evil Finsbury Islamic Hate Preacher and young Muslim radicaliser Abu Hamza who DID issue threats against the UK and its people?

Or how about evil Muslim solicitor, young Muslim radicaliser, and hate preacher Anjem Choudary who hailed as 'heroes' the terrorists responsible for the '911' atrocity in 2001, and the 7th of July 2005 attacks,and who DID pose a threat and issue threats against the UK and its people?

Or even evil Hate Preacher Mizanur Rahman who praised the Charlie Hebdo terrorist killers, and who hates Britain and calls us "The enemy of Islam"

I don't care what anyone else thinks, I would bet my last pound coin that the architects of this ridiculous pathetic 'Petition' do not have British interests at heart, and the sensationalising of it is rib-ticklingly hilarious because even if 500,000 sign it, that still leaves 54 or so million WHO HAVE NOT SIGNED IT.

[Johnnyuk123]

So let's put this in perspective:

Donald Trump, the 'Front Runner' in the USA's Republican Candidate race, and therefore a legitimate politician, makes suggestions about banning all Muslims from the USA as a temporary precautionary measure until the current Islamic terrorist war on America is over - remarks which are undeniably, ludicrous, offensive and xenophobic but yet still legitimate under the US Laws on Free Speech - and over 300,000 UK 'citizens' sign a petition to ban him from the UK?

Trump has not tried to radicalise young Americans to go out and kill Muslims. Nor has he issued any threats to the UK or its people.

Can ANYONE on here recall ANY type of PUBLIC petition to expel evil Finsbury Islamic Hate Preacher and young Muslim radicaliser Abu Hamza who DID issue threats against the UK and its people?

Or how about evil Muslim solicitor, young Muslim radicaliser, and hate preacher Anjem Choudary who hailed as 'heroes' the terrorists responsible for the '911' atrocity in 2001, and the 7th of July 2005 attacks,and who DID pose a threat and issue threats against the UK and its people?

Or even evil Hate Preacher Mizanur Rahman who praised the Charlie Hebdo terrorist killers, and who hates Britain and calls us "The enemy of Islam"

I don't care what anyone else thinks, I would bet my last pound coin that the architects of this ridiculous pathetic 'Petition' do not have British interests at heart, and the sensationalising of it is rib-ticklingly hilarious because even if 500,000 sign it, that still leaves 54 or so million WHO HAVE NOT SIGNED IT.

Well said Kirk! But more importantly who signed this pointless petition? Freedom of speech allows Donald to speak his mind. He spoke it. You can agree or disagree with what he said by all means but he is still by USA law entitled to say what he thinks regardless of what anyone else thinks. I do wonder what nationality are those people who signed this petition? Does it reflect the majority of UK residents? I doubt it. Not that it makes any difference to Donald's campaign at all as nothing in the UK has any impact on American soil.

[DemolitionRed]

The brits saved the lives of 1000s of jews and even gave up properties and food during the war and times of ration to feed and clothe these jewish people. So your points on the Jews in Britain and grossly exaggerated and offensive

And we are now saving the lives of thousands of Muslims but that doesn't mean everyone agrees with that.

My husband is the direct descendant of a Jewish boy who fled with a grandparent from Warsaw. They had to change their family name when they got here and were warned not to let neighbours or schoolmates know where they had come from.

Grossly exaggerated ? http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2002/jun/08/immigration.immigrationandpublicservices

[Kizzy]

They are extremists..... Trump is a politician.
Perspective.

[Johnnyuk123]

Isn't the whole point of this bollox petition that Trump is supposed to be an extremist and a Hate Preacher?

[bots]

They are extremists..... Trump is a politician.
Perspective.

That's a bit of a stretch, he is a rich man with a big mouth. He can however say what he likes, if he is popular and gets voted in, then that reflects the thinking in America. I would be personally surprised if he gets voted in, but the choices aren't great this time, he could do it.

[kirklancaster]

Isn't the whole point of this bollox petition that Trump is supposed to be an extremist and a Hate Preacher?

Exactly Johnny, well said. Surely one would think extremist, murder-inciting Hate Preachers are the ones MORE likely to elicit some kind of petition to ban them from the UK when it's us Brits who the evil bastards are inciting their Muslim brethren to slaughter and our country these vermin detest so much.

[Johnnyuk123]

Exactly Johnny, well said. Surely one would think extremist, murder-inciting Hate Preachers are the ones MORE likely to elicit some kind of petition to ban them from the UK when it's us Brits who the evil bastards are inciting their Muslim brethren to slaughter and our country these vermin detest so much.

The UK and the rest of the world can only appease this kill now do NOT ask questions later ideology for a limited period of time before they turn around and say no no NO, NOT IN MY NAME!

[Kizzy]

He is inciting racial hatred, that's a given.

[Kizzy]

What a guy...

'A British soldier who lost his leg in Iraq has posted a powerful message to people "expecting racism" from him just because he "got blown up".

Chris Herbert was just 19 when his vehicle was hit by a roadside bomb in Basra, Iraq which killed his friend, injured another and left him facing the prospect of living the rest of his life without his right leg.

In the weeks after the Paris atrocities, the former serviceman said he has been troubled by the number of people who have expected him to be Islamophobic just because a "Muslim man blew me up".

In a powerful Facebook message, which has been shared tens of thousands of times, Herbert goes on to list the Muslims who have helped him - including the Muslim surgeon who performed the surgery that saved his life.'

http://www.itv.com/news/2015-12-09/british-soldier-who-lost-leg-in-iraq-issues-powerful-message-to-those-who-think-he-should-hate-muslims/

[the truth]

So let's put this in perspective:

Donald Trump, the 'Front Runner' in the USA's Republican Candidate race, and therefore a legitimate politician, makes suggestions about banning all Muslims from the USA as a temporary precautionary measure until the current Islamic terrorist war on America is over - remarks which are undeniably, ludicrous, offensive and xenophobic but yet still legitimate under the US Laws on Free Speech - and over 300,000 UK 'citizens' sign a petition to ban him from the UK?

Trump has not tried to radicalise young Americans to go out and kill Muslims. Nor has he issued any threats to the UK or its people.

Can ANYONE on here recall ANY type of PUBLIC petition to expel evil Finsbury Islamic Hate Preacher and young Muslim radicaliser Abu Hamza who DID issue threats against the UK and its people?

Or how about evil Muslim solicitor, young Muslim radicaliser, and hate preacher Anjem Choudary who hailed as 'heroes' the terrorists responsible for the '911' atrocity in 2001, and the 7th of July 2005 attacks,and who DID pose a threat and issue threats against the UK and its people?

Or even evil Hate Preacher Mizanur Rahman who praised the Charlie Hebdo terrorist killers, and who hates Britain and calls us "The enemy of Islam"

I don't care what anyone else thinks, I would bet my last pound coin that the architects of this ridiculous pathetic 'Petition' do not have British interests at heart, and the sensationalising of it is rib-ticklingly hilarious because even if 500,000 sign it, that still leaves 54 or so million WHO HAVE NOT SIGNED IT.

100% correct. The far left have got us into this mess, they don't care about border control or security of the masses, they just want to do political points scoring, they also want to ban free speech on the right yet they said nothing about the Islamic hate preachers wanting to bomb the uk? theyre very dangerous anti patriotic anti Christian hypocrites

[MTVN]

Oh dear at the petition to ban him. Sums up social media activism where people spend a couple of seconds clicking their mouse and then congratulate themselves on having changed the world

[Northern Monkey]

So let's put this in perspective:

Donald Trump, the 'Front Runner' in the USA's Republican Candidate race, and therefore a legitimate politician, makes suggestions about banning all Muslims from the USA as a temporary precautionary measure until the current Islamic terrorist war on America is over - remarks which are undeniably, ludicrous, offensive and xenophobic but yet still legitimate under the US Laws on Free Speech - and over 300,000 UK 'citizens' sign a petition to ban him from the UK?

Trump has not tried to radicalise young Americans to go out and kill Muslims. Nor has he issued any threats to the UK or its people.

Can ANYONE on here recall ANY type of PUBLIC petition to expel evil Finsbury Islamic Hate Preacher and young Muslim radicaliser Abu Hamza who DID issue threats against the UK and its people?

Or how about evil Muslim solicitor, young Muslim radicaliser, and hate preacher Anjem Choudary who hailed as 'heroes' the terrorists responsible for the '911' atrocity in 2001, and the 7th of July 2005 attacks,and who DID pose a threat and issue threats against the UK and its people?

Or even evil Hate Preacher Mizanur Rahman who praised the Charlie Hebdo terrorist killers, and who hates Britain and calls us "The enemy of Islam"

I don't care what anyone else thinks, I would bet my last pound coin that the architects of this ridiculous pathetic 'Petition' do not have British interests at heart, and the sensationalising of it is rib-ticklingly hilarious because even if 500,000 sign it, that still leaves 54 or so million WHO HAVE NOT SIGNED IT.:clap1:No but it's alright for them.They can say whatever they like because they're not white.

[Kizzy]

What rot, if you are inciting racial hatred it will be addressed ( unless you are called Trump) , starting a petition is not doing that is it?

[kirklancaster]

:clap1:No but it's alright for them.They can say whatever they like because they're not white.

Too true Paul.

[kirklancaster]

100% correct. The far left have got us into this mess, they don't care about border control or security of the masses, they just want to do political points scoring, they also want to ban free speech on the right yet they said nothing about the Islamic hate preachers wanting to bomb the uk? theyre very dangerous anti patriotic anti Christian hypocrites

Well said Truth.

[kirklancaster]

Oh dear at the petition to ban him. Sums up social media activism where people spend a couple of seconds clicking their mouse and then congratulate themselves on having changed the world

:laugh: :laugh::laugh:

[lostalex]

Right. So why the constant comparisons about the Jews and Nazi Germany every time a Muslim is perceived to have had his feelings hurt?

Actually the difference between Nazi Germany and here and now is that, Germany was never terrorised by the Jews. The Jews never planted bombs that killed civilians, they never beheaded German infidels, raped and killed women and children, promised never to rest until their flag was flying over Gestapo Headquarters. Also, the terrorist we are fighting right now hide amongst their innocent brothers a sisters making them a target so it's only to be expected that sometimes, those brothers and sisters are going to be a bit inconvenienced for the safety of us all.

eggggsactly.

[the truth]

the west should and the ruskies and the entire free world should unite to wipe this out, period.

[kirklancaster]

What must Americans REALLY think of this nutjob petition to 'ban' an American billionaire for having American interests at heart - no matter how misguided - when WE have Jeremy Corbyn as the Leader of HM Labour Party?

The joke is well and truly on us.

[Northern Monkey]

What must Americans REALLY think of this nutjob petition to 'ban' an American billionaire for having American interests at heart - no matter how misguided - when have Jeremy Corbyn as the Leader of HM Labour Party?

The joke is well and truly on us.
I know.It's tragic.Especially if they've read some of the disgusting comments his friends at the despicable 'Stop The War' coalition have written and then taken down because they knew it was wrong.Comments which totally legitimise Camerons "Terrorist sympathisers" claim.

[Samm]

Personally, I would ban all idiots, no matter how rich, to be able to run for the presidency.

The truth!

[kirklancaster]

I know.It's tragic.Especially if they've read some of the disgusting comments his friends at the despicable 'Stop The War' coalition have written and then taken down because they knew it was wrong.Comments which totally legitimise Camerons "Terrorist sympathisers" claim.

YOU know the TRUTH.
I know the TRUTH.
The MAJORITY of UK citizens know the TRUTH.

But we can all continue TELLING the TRUTH until Armageddon, but the SELF-BLIND will not SEE, the SELF-DEAF will not LISTEN, and the SELF-DUMB.... are, well... Just DUMB. :laugh:

As for 'Stop The War Coalition' - as MTVN intimated, it is nothing more than a nest of treacherous vipers.

[Cherie]

It's too easy to sign a petition online, if people had to fill out a form and buy a stamp to post it I predict this petition would hardly have got off the ground, we gave Nick Griffin a platform and Abu Hamza, we should welcome him with open arms and throw a reception for him in Tower Hamlets or Bradford.

[kirklancaster]

It's too easy to sign a petition online, if people had to fill out a form and buy a stamp to post it I predict this petition would hardly have got off the ground, we gave Nick Griffin a platform and Abu Hamza, we should welcome him with open arms and throw a reception for him in Tower Hamlets or Bradford.

:lovedup::flowers::kiss: (Are you getting an idea that I'm pleased by your post and agree with it? :hehe:)

[Kizzy]

Oh dear at the petition to ban him. Sums up social media activism where people spend a couple of seconds clicking their mouse and then congratulate themselves on having changed the world

There is more to activism than this isn't there, haven't thousands upon thousands of people taken to the streets over the years over differing issues?
People had to pay £3 to elect a leader for a political party, and they did, this is just one way to gauge public opinion, like polls and being involved in surveys.
A petition can't give an exact indication of the strength of feeling in the UK but then again putting a :clap1: against a comment on a forum can't either, and yet here we are.
What is the solution, if you sign a petition it's not enough protest and it's too much, where's the happy medium...Put up and shut up?

[Cherie]

Keeping him across the pond enables him to make outrageous comments about London and the UK and let's him wallow in his ignorance, invite him here and provide counter argument to his comments would be far more productive IMO rather than sweeping him under the carpet

[bots]

if signing a petition makes people feel empowered, I would actively encourage it. I've never heard of an instance where signing a petition did anyone any direct harm :shrug:

[Kizzy]

Trump: The UK is in denial about its "Muslim problem"
"The United Kingdom is trying hard to disguise their massive Muslim problem," he said, yet "everybody is wise to what is happening, very sad! Be honest"
Thank you to respected columnist Katie Hopkins for her powerful writing on the U.K.'s Muslim problems.

Would that be the cockroach comments?...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/donald-trump/12043526/Donald-Trump-muslims-Muhammad-Ali-UK-petition-latest-news-live.html

[Niamh.]

Trump: The UK is in denial about its "Muslim problem"
"The United Kingdom is trying hard to disguise their massive Muslim problem," he said, yet "everybody is wise to what is happening, very sad! Be honest"
Thank you to respected columnist Katie Hopkins for her powerful writing on the U.K.'s Muslim problems.

Would that be the cockroach comments?...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/donald-trump/12043526/Donald-Trump-muslims-Muhammad-Ali-UK-petition-latest-news-live.html

Respected columnist? is he taking the piss now or what?? :laugh:

[lostalex]

He didn't even say ban all muslims forever... he said we should pause muslims coming in, until we have a way to tell which ones are the REAL muslims that actually believe in crazy muslim crap, and which ones are the normal human beings that just happen to be muslims.

obviously we don't have a problem with the normal human being muslims that don't actually believe in crazy muslim crap, but we need a way to figure out which is which. that's all he's saying.

I agree that he didn't make himself clear enough though. He should have planned his words more carefully.

[Kizzy]

He didn't even say ban all muslims forever... he said we should pause muslims coming in, until we have a way to tell which ones are the REAL muslims that actually believe in crazy muslim crap, and which ones are the normal human beings that just happen to be muslims.

obviously we don't have a problem with the normal human being muslims that don't actually believe in crazy muslim crap, but we need a way to figure out which is which. that's all he's saying.

I agree that he didn't make himself clear enough though. He should have planned his words more carefully.

Logically is this feasible?

[lostalex]

Logically is this feasible?

under his leadership? no. i don't trust him to even wake up in the right bed every morning... but i assume some smart people who are good at logistics and statistics and organization and maths and stuff could work out a system. Hillary could sort it out.

[Kizzy]

Borats verdict :laugh:
hcH0gPaMay8

[Northern Monkey]

Why are people not eager to confront Trump with their counter arguments to his position rather than signing silly petitions to try and make him dissapear(He won't).If we are a democratic country then we should welcome him and debate with him.If he is in the wrong then he will come out of it looking worse and more than likely won't come back.Although i can't imagine that coming here will benefit him in any way in his campaign.I don't think shutting down debate helps anyone tbh.

[lostalex]

Why are people not eager to confront Trump with their counter arguments to his position rather than signing silly petitions to try and make him dissapear(He won't).If we are a democratic country then we should welcome him and debate with him.If he is in the wrong then he will come out of it looking worse and more than likely won't come back.Although i can't imagine that coming here will benefit him in any way in his campaign.I don't think shutting down debate helps anyone tbh.

that's a good point.

[Northern Monkey]

that's a good point.
Thankyou sir

[Cherie]

Why are people not eager to confront Trump with their counter arguments to his position rather than signing silly petitions to try and make him dissapear(He won't).If we are a democratic country then we should welcome him and debate with him.If he is in the wrong then he will come out of it looking worse and more than likely won't come back.Although i can't imagine that coming here will benefit him in any way in his campaign.I don't think shutting down debate helps anyone tbh.

Thankyou sir

You should be thanking me for making the point that you copied :omgno:

[Cherie]

I just read the title as ban Muslims from entering us :laugh:

[kirklancaster]

Why are people not eager to confront Trump with their counter arguments to his position rather than signing silly petitions to try and make him dissapear(He won't).If we are a democratic country then we should welcome him and debate with him.If he is in the wrong then he will come out of it looking worse and more than likely won't come back.Although i can't imagine that coming here will benefit him in any way in his campaign.I don't think shutting down debate helps anyone tbh.

Because the ones behind this crap 'Petition' are not interested in debating Trump - they are merely seeking to make political capital out of his gaffes to elicit more sympathy for their Islamic cause.

[Northern Monkey]

You should be thanking me for making the point that you copied :omgno:Oh i don't think i read that:laugh:
Great minds....

[Northern Monkey]

I just read the title as ban Muslims from entering us :laugh:

Well i'm all for that:laugh:

[the truth]

Because the ones behind this crap 'Petition' are not interested in debating Trump - they are merely seeking to make political capital out of his gaffes to elicit more sympathy for their Islamic cause.

100% right again....where were these 300,000 people when the hate preachers were on the streets of London demanding they bomb the west?

[Cherie]

Oh i don't think i read that:laugh:
Great minds....

:fist: read my wise words

[Northern Monkey]

:fist: read my wise words

Sorry :flowers:

[the truth]

trump is a brilliant businessman and pretty eccentric showman....but he doesn't need to bother running for the oval office, yes its part ego but its also because hes a workaholic and hes a patriot....his mslim plan is clearly absurd. but at least he has the balls the speak on the subject which has seen 32000 innocent people killed by radical Islamic terrorists in the last year. were too scared to even patrol and protect our borders in Europe , which in turn makes the work of the police and intelligence almost impossible....celebrate the fact that a man is still able to have some freedom of speech, because in a few years time all free speech will be finished forever

[empire]

the problem is that in europe and america, the left wing elite, are so disconnected and out of touch, with their electorates, in are case, even more so because of the electoral system that allows minority parties to govern with an absolute majority, trump may be wrong in some of his solutions, but he is right to raise questions and debate the issues out in the open, ask the french people in calais, where the two main parties, tell the people too put up, and shut up, and they seem to turn a blind eye to the problem, intruth, trump is not putting himself in power, it is the soft pandering that is doing it for him, we can't keep going to the soft road, so that people can live in this country, and hate are values and culture, and expecting everyone to pander to their way of life,

[GiRTh]

rsPpaML3nrg

Even Dick 'Darth' Cheney, I think we would all agree, a truly evil man thinks Trump's idea is terrible.

[lostalex]

rsPpaML3nrg

Even Dick 'Darth' Cheney, I think we would all agree, a truly evil man thinks Trump's idea is terrible.

so you are saying you respect and agree with dick cheney's opinions?

[bots]

Even Dick 'Darth' Cheney, I think we would all agree, a truly evil man thinks Trump's idea is terrible.

Not sure how that makes for a good argument against Trump

[lostalex]

Not sure how that makes for a good argument against Trump

lol. seriously.

i'm not sure that Cheney is really the person that Girth wants to be aligning himself with if he wants to make a convincing argument. :joker:

[GiRTh]

so you are saying you respect and agree with dick cheney's opinions?
No I'm highlighting how even tho most right wing of the GOP are coming out against this proposal. Trump apparently speaks for these people. Clearly he doenst.

[lostalex]

No I'm highlighting how even tho most right wing of the GOP are coming out against this proposal. Trump apparently speaks for these people. Clearly he doenst.

they are against him because he's not part of the republican establishment. they have no control of him.

[GiRTh]

they are against him because he's not part of the republican establishment. they have no control of him.Agreed.

[GiRTh]

4Ghg6JDDyP8

'So what, they're Muslims'. This is an actual Donald Trump spokesperson. Scary.

[GiRTh]

b9EUvGNZtVU
Looks like he's not welcome in a few countries. That might be a problem if he eventually becomes President.

[Crimson Dynamo]

personally i would love to ban any person from the UK who believed in gods of any kind. This would be a massive leap forward.

[kirklancaster]

personally i would love to ban any person from the UK who believed in gods of any kind. This would be a massive leap forward.

Pay my fare LT and I'll gladly leave. :laugh:

[GiRTh]

7lnbfPORGiE

Full interview. SE Cupp is very right wing, and has made many hideous comments when she worked for FOX News, but even she looks a bit lefty when compared to Trumps national spokesperson.

Looks like Hillary only needs to show up to win.

[billy123]

I have to say i am quite enjoying the amount of racist cages that a simple petition has rattled.
Slowly but surely the morons bare their arses. ;)

[DemolitionRed]

No I'm highlighting how even tho most right wing of the GOP are coming out against this proposal. Trump apparently speaks for these people. Clearly he doenst.

Only the far right will back a man like Trump...the rest of us are just tar babies :hehe:

[lostalex]

7lnbfPORGiE

Full interview. SE Cupp is very right wing, and has made many hideous comments when she worked for FOX News, but even she looks a bit lefty when compared to Trumps national spokesperson.

Looks like Hillary only needs to show up to win.


she's definitely not white, so you can't accuse her of being racist!

[GiRTh]

Only the far right will back a man like Trump...the rest of us are just tar babies :hehe:Even they are slamming this proposal. Trump has no friends anymore on FOX and even the dark lord Dick Cheney cant show Trump support.

[empire]

when britain lets in hate preachers, who milk the state and shout there hate for the west, can't be deported, at the same time, trump says a few words about stopping muslims from going to the US, next the left wing brits get their knickers in a twist, the hypocrisy of this country, is that these preachers get special treatment, to stand in places in collages and universities, to justify in what has happened in Paris this year, what the things trump has said are not as bad and evil, as what those preacher loons have said, you have to understand that people mainpulate their own faith, to justify in what they are doing, its called twisting your own faith,

[Mystic Mock]

I just read the title as ban Muslims from entering us :laugh:

:laugh3:

[iRyan]

I hope he gets the Republican bid so Hilary/Bernie win for sure

[user104658]

when britain lets in hate preachers, who milk the state and shout there hate for the west, can't be deported, at the same time, trump says a few words about stopping muslims from going to the US, next the left wing brits get their knickers in a twist, the hypocrisy of this country, is that these preachers get special treatment, to stand in places in collages and universities, to justify in what has happened in Paris this year, what the things trump has said are not as bad and evil, as what those preacher loons have said, you have to understand that people mainpulate their own faith, to justify in what they are doing, its called twisting your own faith,

Everyone who dislikes Donny Trump is a traitor / terrorist sympathiser / secret jihadist out to destroy modern living. Surely you've been on this forum long enough to know that?

[DemolitionRed]

when britain lets in hate preachers, who milk the state and shout there hate for the west, can't be deported, at the same time, trump says a few words about stopping muslims from going to the US, next the left wing brits get their knickers in a twist, the hypocrisy of this country, is that these preachers get special treatment, to stand in places in collages and universities, to justify in what has happened in Paris this year, what the things trump has said are not as bad and evil, as what those preacher loons have said, you have to understand that people mainpulate their own faith, to justify in what they are doing, its called twisting your own faith,

I don't usually converse with you because you only ever seem to jump on here when your reassured your opinions will be backed but as usual, you are spouting nonsense, so I'll have my say.

Its not only the left who are (as you suggest) getting their knickers in a twist. Many Conservatives are outraged and have made public statements about that outrage.

Ismic fundamentalists are not allowed to preach from pulpits or even from prayer mats to justify what happened in Paris. If they get caught they will be arrested, named, shamed, possibly tagged and risk imprisonment and even deportation.

Most people on the Left, Right and Middle don't agree with Trump but Far Right do and from where I'm sitting, its the far right who are getting their knickers in a wad.

Most people on the Left, Right and Middle would happily see Islamic hate preachers deported.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I don't usually converse with you because you only ever seem to jump on here when your reassured your opinions will be backed but as usual, you are spouting nonsense, so I'll have my say.

Its not only the left who are (as you suggest) getting their knickers in a twist. Many Conservatives are outraged and have made public statements about that outrage.

Ismic fundamentalists are not allowed to preach from pulpits or even from prayer mats to justify what happened in Paris. If they get caught they will be arrested, named, shamed, possibly tagged and risk imprisonment and even deportation.

Most people on the Left, Right and Middle don't agree with Trump but Far Right do and from where I'm sitting, its the far right who are getting their knickers in a wad.

Most people on the Left, Right and Middle would happily see Islamic hate preachers deported.

outrage?

:joker:


he made a comment, it was a temporary ban (that seems to have been forgotten), its not policy, he is not a politician - it wont happen and was just an idea

he just said something


If anyone is "outraged" then i am laughing at them :joker:

[Kizzy]

outrage?

:joker:


he made a comment, it was a temporary ban (that seems to have been forgotten), its not policy, he is not a politician - it wont happen and was just an idea

he just said something


If anyone is "outraged" then i am laughing at them :joker:

Going to be a bit hard becoming president if he isn't a politician.

[bots]

Going to be a bit hard becoming president if he isn't a politician.

Ronald Regan :laugh:

[Kizzy]

Ronald Regan :laugh:

An actor who became a politician...

[Crimson Dynamo]

Going to be a bit hard becoming president if he isn't a politician.

he isnt, yet

[Kizzy]

he isnt, yet

Aren't you stating the obvious here?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Aren't you stating the obvious here?

http://media.boingboing.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/trump-hair.jpg

[DemolitionRed]

outrage?

:joker:


he made a comment, it was a temporary ban (that seems to have been forgotten), its not policy, he is not a politician - it wont happen and was just an idea

he just said something


If anyone is "outraged" then i am laughing at them :joker:

Yes and it was also a temporary ban for all Muslim business people living in America...how does that work? He also suggested tagging all Muslims in the US and he wants to kick out the Mexicans and get them to build and pay for a giant wall. He wants to move in the blacks from Baltimore and give them the menial work the Mexicans presently do. He's such a sweetheart isn't he? I mean, bless his cotton socks...none of this is serious, its just a joke that people didn't get!!

The man's a white supremacist and fortunately I have the freedom of speech to call him a white supremacist. If He'd been born in a different era he'd be wearing a white pointy hood and hanging strange fruit from the trees in his vast estates.

I'm not outraged by Trump. The man's just a trumped up idiot who looks suspiciously like Jimmy Saville. He's been spouting that big gob of his off for years and to most of us he's a laughing stock but then so was Bush Junior and he got in.

Outraged isn't a word I used in that post but if I'm going to adopt that word then I'll use it for all those who support him and not the man himself.

[user104658]

he isnt, yet

He is a politician in the sense that he is currently (heavily) involved in politics. It's a bit pedantic to say that he isn't one. A politician doesn't necessarily need to hold an elected or other professional position... certainly not if they are quite clearly a major influencing factor, which Mr Troomp obviously is.

So, he is a highly influential figure with a massive national platform in the US, and a further reaching international platform as well. With that in mind, it's not really all that ridiculous for people - especially other politicians - to be "outraged" by what he has "just said" and the potential consequences of those opinions when they are not simply said but shouted so loudly from a world stage. This especially applies to politicians who are perceived as generally "leaning the same way". I can see exactly why they'd be angry and keen to express the fact that he does not speak for all republicans (and kin).

[Crimson Dynamo]

He is a politician in the sense that he is currently (heavily) involved in politics. It's a bit pedantic to say that he isn't one. A politician doesn't necessarily need to hold an elected or other professional position... certainly not if they are quite clearly a major influencing factor, which Mr Troomp obviously is.

So, he is a highly influential figure with a massive national platform in the US, and a further reaching international platform as well. With that in mind, it's not really all that ridiculous for people - especially other politicians - to be "outraged" by what he has "just said" and the potential consequences of those opinions when they are not simply said but shouted so loudly from a world stage. This especially applies to politicians who are perceived as generally "leaning the same way". I can see exactly why they'd be angry and keen to express the fact that he does not speak for all republicans (and kin).


well he isnt a politician is he, he is a property magnate having a foray into politics.

[Northern Monkey]

Trump is a joker,He reminds me of a spoof politician.He will never be president.People are just latching onto him because they feel they have no more moderate alternative just as they did with BNP over here when they grew slightly in popularity.I think his latest comment was too far for alot of people who would have supported him.Imo of course.

[Kizzy]

http://media.boingboing.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/trump-hair.jpg

Is he in a bouffant battle with boris?

[user104658]

well he isnt a politician is he, he is a property magnate having a foray into politics.
Name me a big-name Tory for whom a political salary is the main income stream.

[user104658]

Trump is a joker,He reminds me of a spoof politician.He will never be president.People are just latching onto him because they feel they have no more moderate alternative just as they did with BNP over here when they grew slightly in popularity.I think his latest comment was too far for alot of people who would have supported him.Imo of course.
BNP? Nono, it was UKIP. Remember UKIP?

[Crimson Dynamo]

BNP? Nono, it was UKIP. Remember UKIP?

yes Nigel Farage was on LBC today doing his regular questions spot and he was excellent as usual. I think UKIP came 2nd in the last by-election we had in the UK

:hee:

[Crimson Dynamo]

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In Britain, more Muslims join ISIS than join the British army.


:omgno:

[DemolitionRed]

The Guardian say this: http://www.theguardian.com/news/reality-check/2015/dec/11/donald-trump-needs-check-facts-british-muslims-isis

'Isis is a fairly late actor. Most of those who went out in the earlier phases of the civil war were not joining Isis, they were going to Jabhat al-Nusra, and many other groups.'

There are not 750 British people currently fighting with Isis – this is a cumulative figure. The British government estimates at least 260 have returned to the UK, which may be for a number of reasons, but many may have returned after becoming disillusioned at how different rebel groups were subsumed by Isis in the past two years.

It is not really accurate to compare a cumulative number of fighters heading to Isis over a number of years with the current number of Muslim recruits in the British army. But we can say one thing:

At no point over the past three years has the number of active British Isis fighters eclipsed the number of serving Muslims in the British armed forces.

[user104658]

At no point over the past three years has the number of active British Isis fighters eclipsed the number of serving Muslims in the British armed forces.

To be fair, that's a statement dodging the question a bit. The claim is that more JOINED in a year - not that the total serving was more... so the number serving is irrelevant (to the claim).

However, even if it is true, we're still talking about tiny numbers. A few hundred out of 4 million Muslims in the country. That puts it into a little more perspective.

Also, hypothetically, I would imagine there are some serious challenges faced by Muslim men who want to sign up to the British army. Prejudice, suspicion, etc... I can't imagine it's an attractive choice for them in that sense.

[DemolitionRed]

Also, hypothetically, I would imagine there are some serious challenges faced by Muslim men who want to sign up to the British army. Prejudice, suspicion, etc... I can't imagine it's an attractive choice for them in that sense.

I think its more to do with every conflict we get involved in is in Muslim countries.