[Samm]

Republican frontrunner wants ‘total and complete shutdown’ of borders to Muslims after San Bernardino shooting in latest boundary-pushing proposal

Donald Trump, the leading contender to become the Republican party’s nominee for US presidential candidate, has called for a “total and complete shutdown” of the country’s borders to Muslims in the wake of the San Bernardino terrorist attack.

Trump made his most extreme pledge yet – in a race in which he has consistently pushed the boat out on issues of race and immigration – in a statement released to the media through his presidential campaign team.

He said there was such hatred among Muslims around the world towards Americans that it was necessary to rebuff them en masse, until the problem was better understood.

More here: http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2...rdino-shooting

hmm reminds me of someone..

[arista]

Yes he is going real hard now


http://news.sky.com/story/1601659/tr...ms-entering-us

[lostalex]

The only conclusion i can draw is that this man really really does NOT want to be president. It seems like he's trying his hardest to make sure he cannot be elected. Is he being paid by Hilary Clinton??

[DemolitionRed]

That man is a nut job and a scary one at that.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by FrostyChique

hmm reminds me of someone..

Sorry but what is the connection with Hitler. Who did he ban from entering Germany whilst Germany was a Democracy?

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Joseph the Carpenter

Sorry but what is the connection with Hitler. Who did he ban from entering Germany whilst Germany was a Democracy?

The problem with the Hitler comparison is, its like comparing a mass murderer with Mickey mouse.

I can see some similarities though. I mean, wasn't it Hitler who blamed specific groups of immigrants for all Germany's Problems and made promises to eliminate them? Fortunately, the difference between Trump and Hitler is, Trump will never have a personal paramilitary militia at his beck and call.

This is a guy who wants a wall built between Mexico and the US and he wants the Mexicans to build and pay for it!. He wants to deport all Mexicans and that includes birthright Mexicans.

He's a fool who is preaching in the direction of a small vocal minority. He won't get in.

[Northern Monkey]

Seems like he has a lot of support.However this may be a step too far for people.

[Crimson Dynamo]

He is offering a solution to a menace, beit misguided or not

What other solutions are being offered?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Joseph the Carpenter

He is offering a solution to a menace, beit misguided or not

What other solutions are being offered?

The "solution" of not inadvertantly pushing thousands more young Muslims in the direction of radicalisation by turning them into boogeymen and pariahs?

"Other people aren't offering solutions to make it better" isn't really an excuse for actively making it worse, is it?

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"Help help I've badly burned my hand on the cooker!!"

"Come here quick I'll pour this on it!"

*pppsssshhhh*

"AAAAAARRRGGGHHH My hand is melting! Melting to the bone!!! What was that???"

"It was highly concentrated hydrochloric acid..."

"WHAT??? WHY!? Help me I'm going to lose my hand! OH GOD the unbearable agony blllrrrgghhhh *gurgle*"

"*tut* Well, it might have been misguided but no one else was offering a solution were they? Sooorr-y for trying to help "

[the truth]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

That man is a nut job and a scary one at that.

he is a nutter BUT angela merkel is a bigger nutter for open borders and the insane schengen agreement that allows terrorists to move from the middle east to Europe unchecked...yet no one is saying anything about that.

[Denver]

Ban him from the universe useless idiot

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by the truth

he is a nutter BUT angela merkel is a bigger nutter for open borders and the insane schengen agreement that allows terrorists to move from the middle east to Europe unchecked...yet no one is saying anything about that.

Merkel and Trump are polar opposites, though we could say there are similarities, in that they both offer easy fixes. Whilst Trump is playing on the fears and dreams of a majority ethnic group that believed itself to be entitled, Merkel, has also fuelled the fears and dream of a majority ethnic group. Trump wants to give his majority a scape goat, Merkel has, though quite unintentionally, already done that. The big difference is, Merkel responded with compassion to our world’s largest humanitarian crisis since WW2 and Trump wants to create a humanitarian crisis.

As for terrorists moving from the middle east to Europe unchecked...that really needs its own thread. Actually I think there is one but it may of fallen into the archives.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Merkel and Trump are polar opposites, though we could say there are similarities, in that they both offer easy fixes. Whilst Trump is playing on the fears and dreams of a majority ethnic group that believed itself to be entitled, Merkel, has also fuelled the fears and dream of a majority ethnic group. Trump wants to give his majority a scape goat, Merkel has, though quite unintentionally, already done that. The big difference is, Merkel responded with compassion to our world’s largest humanitarian crisis since WW2 and Trump wants to create a humanitarian crisis.

As for terrorists moving from the middle east to Europe unchecked...that really needs its own thread. Actually I think there is one but it may of fallen into the archives.

It doesn't need its own thread it must be part of this thread as it is directly interconnected and must be treated as such. Merkel is far more dangerous than trump or any western politician. Her European project with no accounts for nearly 20 years is a frightening disaster. Her open borders, unchecked , no paperwork, Schengen nightmare which was mocked by the paris bombers, is going to see Europe go up in flames. Trump may be a crazy bigot but closing borders is probably a safer extreme at this stage than merkels insane euro zone disaster

[arista]

Originally Posted by Joseph the Carpenter

He is offering a solution to a menace, beit misguided or not

What other solutions are being offered?

Also its a "Temporary" Ban
that should be on the heading

[DemolitionRed]

So what do you think about his idea for the Mexicans to build a wall and lock themselves behind it? When he was questioned about the lack of poor work forces this would create, he suggested importing poor blacks from Baltimore to do the work the Mexicans are presently doing.

Syrian immigration is just a more recent ingredient that's been added to his poison.

[arista]

"the Mexicans to build a wall "


his fans loved that

[Crimson Dynamo]

The reality is until America admit that their own god is fictitious and that their own religion is a load of hypocritical hokus-pokus they cant really call out Islam

[martinisok]

In the last 10 years more people have been killed by gun crime than by terrorism. Why is nobody interested in banning guns?

[Smithy]

Originally Posted by martinisok

In the last 10 years more people have been killed by gun crime than by terrorism. Why is nobody interested in banning guns?

!!!

[bots]

Trump's views are in the main designed to appeal to the extremist audience. Will that win him the presidency, I hope not, but then, when choices are limited, people go for the unusual as typified by labour choosing Corbyn as their leader.

America do need some form of controls and checks on immigration, he is not wrong there, its just his methods are extremist and ludicrous in equal measure.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by the truth

he is a nutter BUT angela merkel is a bigger nutter for open borders and the insane schengen agreement that allows terrorists to move from the middle east to Europe unchecked...yet no one is saying anything about that.

Regarding the Schengen agreement if this were a route that terrorists take then the UK would've been flooded with terrorists years ago. The 7/7 terror attack used radicalised home grown terrorists.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by the truth

It doesn't need its own thread it must be part of this thread as it is directly interconnected and must be treated as such. Merkel is far more dangerous than trump or any western politician. Her European project with no accounts for nearly 20 years is a frightening disaster. Her open borders, unchecked , no paperwork, Schengen nightmare which was mocked by the paris bombers, is going to see Europe go up in flames. Trump may be a crazy bigot but closing borders is probably a safer extreme at this stage than merkels insane euro zone disaster

There was only one Paris bomber that came out of Syria, all the others were home grown.

Fear is one of the strongest motivators for human behaviour, I believe your fears are irrational, but I can understand why you fear the way you do.

I don't believe for a moment that ISIS is sending its jihadist warriors over to our shores via potentially sinkable boats because they are already here and most of them were born here. Radicalisation is frightening because potentially it could be huge. Its very possible that some of these refugees could be radicalised but the reality is, if ISIS wanted to send terror cells to our shores, they would send them business class out of Saudi. They would arrive on temporary business visa's with all the credentials necessary, just like the terrorist cells that brought about 9/11. ISIS is an incredibly wealthy organization; they recruit soldiers by allowing them the spoils of war. They are paid large salaries and just like Nazi occupied areas, their soldiers live in the grandest of houses. If they wanted to disperse them throughout Europe they would have to make it worth their while.

Re- the terrorists of 9/11, Each and every one of them had been flown in, mostly from SA under the disguise of rich business families. They were housed in affluent areas and given playboy lifestyles. Nobody was in the slightest bit suspicious, why would they be?. These are the types we should be looking out for and not the penniless refugee who's only worldly goods are the clothes on their backs.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

There was only one Paris bomber that came out of Syria, all the others were home grown.

Fear is one of the strongest motivators for human behaviour, I believe your fears are irrational, but I can understand why you fear the way you do.

I don't believe for a moment that ISIS is sending its jihadist warriors over to our shores via potentially sinkable boats because they are already here and most of them were born here. Radicalisation is frightening because potentially it could be huge. Its very possible that some of these refugees could be radicalised but the reality is, if ISIS wanted to send terror cells to our shores, they would send them business class out of Saudi. They would arrive on temporary business visa's with all the credentials necessary, just like the terrorist cells that brought about 9/11. ISIS is an incredibly wealthy organization; they recruit soldiers by allowing them the spoils of war. They are paid large salaries and just like Nazi occupied areas, their soldiers live in the grandest of houses. If they wanted to disperse them throughout Europe they would have to make it worth their while.

Re- the terrorists of 9/11, Each and every one of them had been flown in, mostly from SA under the disguise of rich business families. They were housed in affluent areas and given playboy lifestyles. Nobody was in the slightest bit suspicious, why would they be?. These are the types we should be looking out for and not the penniless refugee who's only worldly goods are the clothes on their backs.

6 of the 8 paris bombers have travelled freely back and forth in the last few months from the middle east to france without having their papers check...The trouble is with the Schengen agreement and the open border policy is 1) You cannot document and check people 2) Even if you do track them down they are able to move from country to country and are even more difficult to track down and catch. This is exactly what used to happen chasing down terrorists in Northern Ireland who regularly border hopped down south. There are now millions of refugees , all arriving at the same time and its purely logical to assume when we cannot check their papers that amongst them will be all different types of people and as france has proved some will inevitably be terrorists too. We need to check and vet people properly before letting them into Europe and into the UK. If that is racist then call me racist and I will call you a liar. no offence.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by the truth

6 of the 8 paris bombers have travelled freely back and forth in the last few months from the middle east to france without having their papers check...The trouble is with the Schengen agreement and the open border policy is 1) You cannot document and check people 2) Even if you do track them down they are able to move from country to country and are even more difficult to track down and catch. This is exactly what used to happen chasing down terrorists in Northern Ireland who regularly border hopped down south. There are now millions of refugees , all arriving at the same time and its purely logical to assume when we cannot check their papers that amongst them will be all different types of people and as france has proved some will inevitably be terrorists too. We need to check and vet people properly before letting them into Europe and into the UK. If that is racist then call me racist and I will call you a liar. no offence.

How many people go to the middle east from Paris per year for business or to visit family?....You don't have to monitor people unless there is specific reason to.
That is pure paranoia.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Merry Kizzmas

How many people go to the middle east from Paris per year for business or to visit family?....You don't have to monitor people unless there is specific reason to.
That is pure paranoia.

as always you misunderstand and misinterpret....people can go back and forth from the middle east to france without even having their passports checked...that is insane