Their hate seemed more vicious than anything Winston said

[Gusto Brunt]

Maybe I am alone. But like Jeremy I take offence at ACTIONS. Not words.

Words mean nothing really. So Winston doesn't agree gays should adopt kids. That's his view. Meh. Okay. Over and done with.

But the housemates' reaction was bizarre. MASS offence was taken. It was like 'you insulted me even though I am not gay!'

They ganged up on Winston with such venom and hate, sorry I had to laugh. Winston on the other hand conducted himself well.

And may I say HIS was the only CBB/BB eviction interview I have watched from start to finish. And Emma's attitude, just like the housemates, just like the crowd, was as ONE. Venom. You could hear it in her questioning.

What's HER problem? She doesn't agree with Winston, END OF. Move on. Ever heard of free speech, love. It's a free country, if you've forgotten. This isn't Saudi or China.

Why do these people feel the need to try and convince Winston is wrong. He can't be moved, no point.

And let's face it. BB threw Winston to the lions. He wasn't just sitting there and suddenly said 'I think gays are child abusers'. It was BB that brought it up. Something he said, when? Two years ago. In an interview, is then dragged up. And the housemates were like the kids fable, Emperor's New Clothes, they all agreed to hate Winston. And it was Jeremy, the 'boy' who stood up and say no.

And as for Angie, her reaction was way over the top. It looked like she was ready to commit murder. I have to say she is without question several sandwiches short of a picnic.

The hate she showed, she disgusted me more than anyone. Anything Winston SAID. Because it's what she displayed. Hate. Not what she said. Words mean nothing.

[Withano]

Jesus christ. Take offence at both actions and words.
It is possible to insult a straight person to be insulted by homophobic views obviously.
It was not ganging up, it was popular opinion

I cba to read through your other points actually, the first three was ridiculously stupid

[Kazanne]

Maybe I am alone. But like Jeremy I take offence at ACTIONS. Not words.

Words mean nothing really. So Winston doesn't agree gays should adopt kids. That's his view. Meh. Okay. Over and done with.

But the housemates' reaction was bizarre. MASS offence was taken. It was like 'you insulted me even though I am not gay!'

They ganged up on Winston with such venom and hate, sorry I had to laugh. Winston on the other hand conducted himself well.

And may I say HIS was the only CBB/BB eviction interview I have watched from start to finish. And Emma's attitude, just like the housemates, just like the crowd, was as ONE. Venom. You could hear it in her questioning.

What's HER problem? She doesn't agree with Winston, END OF. Move on. Ever heard of free speech, love. It's a free country, if you've forgotten. This isn't Saudi or China.

Why do these people feel the need to try and convince Winston is wrong. He can't be moved, no point.

And let's face it. BB threw Winston to the lions. He wasn't just sitting there and suddenly said 'I think gays are child abusers'. It was BB that brought it up. Something he said, when? Two years ago. In an interview, is then dragged up. And the housemates were like the kids fable, Emperor's New Clothes, they all agreed to hate Winston. And it was Jeremy, the 'boy' who stood up and say no.

And as for Angie, her reaction was way over the top. It looked like she was ready to commit murder. I have to say she is without question several sandwiches short of a picnic.

The hate she showed, she disgusted me more than anyone. Anything Winston SAID. Because it's what she displayed. Hate. Not what she said. Words mean nothing.

Yes it's like one section of society is telling the other what they can say and do ,which in itself is discriminating.

[bots]

Completely agree Gusto, nothing stupid whatsoever in your points.

[waterhog]

Maybe I am alone. But like Jeremy I take offence at ACTIONS. Not words.

Words mean nothing really. So Winston doesn't agree gays should adopt kids. That's his view. Meh. Okay. Over and done with.

But the housemates' reaction was bizarre. MASS offence was taken. It was like 'you insulted me even though I am not gay!'

They ganged up on Winston with such venom and hate, sorry I had to laugh. Winston on the other hand conducted himself well.

And may I say HIS was the only CBB/BB eviction interview I have watched from start to finish. And Emma's attitude, just like the housemates, just like the crowd, was as ONE. Venom. You could hear it in her questioning.

What's HER problem? She doesn't agree with Winston, END OF. Move on. Ever heard of free speech, love. It's a free country, if you've forgotten. This isn't Saudi or China.

Why do these people feel the need to try and convince Winston is wrong. He can't be moved, no point.

And let's face it. BB threw Winston to the lions. He wasn't just sitting there and suddenly said 'I think gays are child abusers'. It was BB that brought it up. Something he said, when? Two years ago. In an interview, is then dragged up. And the housemates were like the kids fable, Emperor's New Clothes, they all agreed to hate Winston. And it was Jeremy, the 'boy' who stood up and say no.

And as for Angie, her reaction was way over the top. It looked like she was ready to commit murder. I have to say she is without question several sandwiches short of a picnic.

The hate she showed, she disgusted me more than anyone. Anything Winston SAID. Because it's what she displayed. Hate. Not what she said. Words mean nothing.


and she never even gave the reason what she said - this is included in my poem I am about to post.

[Kazanne]

Jesus christ. Take offence at both actions and words.
It is possible to insult a straight person to be insulted by homophobic views obviously.
It was not ganging up, it was popular opinion

I cba to read through your other points actually, the first three was ridiculously stupid

Well I could say I am 'offended' that you blastpheme to get your point across !!!! what should I do ? show anger or ignore it ? how silly is all this faux outrage ,I believe some people are protesting far too much.

[Cherie]

Agree with everything you say Gusto, Emma lost any semblance of professionalism last night and I think she needs to step back and not let her personal feelings cloud her judgement. What happened to its all panto? I fully believe Nancy received the fewest votes so they introduced the most ludicrous twist which was only necessary to manipulate who was evicted. No idea why anyone wastes money voting

[MrWong]

Yes it's like one section of society is telling the other what they can say and do ,which in itself is discriminating.

:joker:

Nobodies telling anyone what to say or do.

Winston made an extreme statement, that gay adoption is akin to child abuse. He was asked to explain that view. He couldn't because it's not true.

[Crimson Dynamo]

totally agree

there is nothing worse than a person who feels totally self justified in being hateful and vile as they were last night

it was truly repulsive to watch

[GoldHeart]

And yet Jim Davidson won a few years ago and he's everything from racist , sexist and homophobic but yet people liked him even though he's a disgusting pig
He made Brian Dowling cry on hells kitchen and he constantly offends everyone
I can't stand the ukip guy he's nasty but why do the public do selective support for vile idiots
Another example Katie Hopkins and she's a massive cold heartless bitch
That's why I hate big brother and reality shows in general
I can't be bothered with car crash telly but I had to comment on the retarded double standards
How can people love Jim Davidson & Katie Hopkins but hate ukip guy when all 3 are as vile as eachother

[chuff me dizzy]

Maybe I am alone. But like Jeremy I take offence at ACTIONS. Not words.

Words mean nothing really. So Winston doesn't agree gays should adopt kids. That's his view. Meh. Okay. Over and done with.

But the housemates' reaction was bizarre. MASS offence was taken. It was like 'you insulted me even though I am not gay!'

They ganged up on Winston with such venom and hate, sorry I had to laugh. Winston on the other hand conducted himself well.

And may I say HIS was the only CBB/BB eviction interview I have watched from start to finish. And Emma's attitude, just like the housemates, just like the crowd, was as ONE. Venom. You could hear it in her questioning.

What's HER problem? She doesn't agree with Winston, END OF. Move on. Ever heard of free speech, love. It's a free country, if you've forgotten. This isn't Saudi or China.

Why do these people feel the need to try and convince Winston is wrong. He can't be moved, no point.

And let's face it. BB threw Winston to the lions. He wasn't just sitting there and suddenly said 'I think gays are child abusers'. It was BB that brought it up. Something he said, when? Two years ago. In an interview, is then dragged up. And the housemates were like the kids fable, Emperor's New Clothes, they all agreed to hate Winston. And it was Jeremy, the 'boy' who stood up and say no.

And as for Angie, her reaction was way over the top. It looked like she was ready to commit murder. I have to say she is without question several sandwiches short of a picnic.

The hate she showed, she disgusted me more than anyone. Anything Winston SAID. Because it's what she displayed. Hate. Not what she said. Words mean nothing.

:clap1:

[sampvt]

Maybe I am alone. But like Jeremy I take offence at ACTIONS. Not words.

Words mean nothing really. So Winston doesn't agree gays should adopt kids. That's his view. Meh. Okay. Over and done with.

But the housemates' reaction was bizarre. MASS offence was taken. It was like 'you insulted me even though I am not gay!'

They ganged up on Winston with such venom and hate, sorry I had to laugh. Winston on the other hand conducted himself well.

And may I say HIS was the only CBB/BB eviction interview I have watched from start to finish. And Emma's attitude, just like the housemates, just like the crowd, was as ONE. Venom. You could hear it in her questioning.

What's HER problem? She doesn't agree with Winston, END OF. Move on. Ever heard of free speech, love. It's a free country, if you've forgotten. This isn't Saudi or China.

Why do these people feel the need to try and convince Winston is wrong. He can't be moved, no point.

And let's face it. BB threw Winston to the lions. He wasn't just sitting there and suddenly said 'I think gays are child abusers'. It was BB that brought it up. Something he said, when? Two years ago. In an interview, is then dragged up. And the housemates were like the kids fable, Emperor's New Clothes, they all agreed to hate Winston. And it was Jeremy, the 'boy' who stood up and say no.

And as for Angie, her reaction was way over the top. It looked like she was ready to commit murder. I have to say she is without question several sandwiches short of a picnic.

The hate she showed, she disgusted me more than anyone. Anything Winston SAID. Because it's what she displayed. Hate. Not what she said. Words mean nothing.

Ive been saying exactly the same thing. With all the bad things people in the house have done, they certainly threw the worst at Winston and he was crucified. Not being happy with that, Emma tried to use his circumstance to big herself up and used the interview to do it. After that Rylan wasn't as bad but he certainly didn't try to stop the audience and panel from ripping him one and as a gay man, he loved it. It was very awkward to watch and showed why CBB is failing.

[chuff me dizzy]

Ive been saying exactly the same thing. With all the bad things people in the house have done, they certainly threw the worst at Winston and he was crucified. Not being happy with that, Emma tried to use his circumstance to big herself up and used the interview to do it. After that Rylan wasn't as bad but he certainly didn't try to stop the audience and panel from ripping him one and as a gay man, he loved it. It was very awkward to watch and showed why CBB is failing.

Did you see Rylan dancing ? shoving his arse close to Winston and being over the top camp ? I spotted it and knew his game

[Tom4784]

He made his bed, he's got no one else but himself to blame. The reaching people are doing to defend him is hilarious though.

[Beso]

Emma knew what his views were before he went in, so where was her outrage on opening night?

[Beso]

He made his bed, he's got no one else but himself to blame. The reaching people are doing to defend him is hilarious though.

bb aired his views maybe they are to blame.

[GoldHeart]

Hypocrisy . Because why was Katie Hopkins and Jim Davidson loved when they offend everyone on the planet. Both are ignorant and disgusting lowlifes and yet they have tons of support
Nobody can justify they're actions so why are people acting like the ukip guy is the only ignorant **** to be on Cbb , I personally can't stand any of these 3 they're all pathetic creatures and the media give them too much air time
And also the producers are to be blamed for always putting in controversial twats for ratings

[Tom4784]

bb aired his views maybe they are to blame.

So he's not responsible for his own actions now? Again with the reaching.

[GoldHeart]

So he's not responsible for his own actions now? Again with the reaching.

You've got to ask yourself why do bb keep putting in nasty twats
So they are to blame aswell

[Beso]

So he's not responsible for his own actions now? Again with the reaching.
bb aired his views so it could be said that they share them!

[chuff me dizzy]

bb aired his views so it could be said that they share them!

Dead right, Im sure there was lots of other things he's said or done that BB could have used in the task, they cherry picked that comment

[Northern Monkey]

Yes it's like one section of society is telling the other what they can say and do ,which in itself is discriminating.

Exactly.

[Beso]

Dead right, Im sure there was lots of other things he's said or done that BB could have used in the task, they cherry picked that comment

yeah, like his work for the homeless. actions, not words.

[Tom4784]

bb aired his views so it could be said that they share them!

Only if you're desperately reaching.

[MB.]

You've got to ask yourself why do bb keep putting in nasty twats
So they are to blame aswell

Yes, it's their fault that Winston is a twat, that makes perfect sense

[chuff me dizzy]

yeah, like his work for the homeless. actions, not words.

Exactly

[Beso]

Only if you're desperately reaching.

:sleep:.



what about the bullying aspect of it all? so much for finding it unacceptable, they practically condoned it!

[cheapbbfan]

I dont see why what Winston said outside the house is relevant to this show? He was annihilated over some previous comment and that wasnt right. Had he said it inside the house, they'd have brought him to the DR, given him a formal warning and told him that type of talk is offensive and not permitted by the rules. He didnt say it in the house, so I dont see why they brought it, only to blow it up into an issue, where they were potentially offending people. I guess they got their storyline but it was ugly how this all went down

[Kazanne]

I dont see why what Winston said outside the house is relevant to this show? He was annihilated over some previous comment and that wasnt right. Had he said it inside the house, they'd have brought him to the DR, given him a formal warning and told him that type of talk is offensive and not permitted by the rules. He didnt say it in the house, so I dont see why they brought it, only to blow it up into an issue, where they were potentially offending people. I guess they got their storyline but it was ugly how this all went down

:clap1::clap1:

[Beso]

I dont see why what Winston said outside the house is relevant to this show? He was annihilated over some previous comment and that wasnt right. Had he said it inside the house, they'd have brought him to the DR, given him a formal warning and told him that type of talk is offensive and not permitted by the rules. He didnt say it in the house, so I dont see why they brought it, only to blow it up into an issue, where they were potentially offending people. I guess they got their storyline but it was ugly how this all went down

Well said



In a nutshell..the whole premise of big brother is for us to watch and judge how people from differing backgrounds etc interact in a house without outside manipulation.

[Tarryn]

Even though some of the things he said in both his VT & outside the house disgusts me I can't help feel that it was a stitch-up from start to finish.
Other former HM's such as Jim Davison had some pretty horrific views on certain things yet was never taken to task.
The thing last night when past things came back to "haunt" the HM's was purely designed to humiliate Winston. None of the others had anything like that.
If Emma was so offended by Winston's views then why not challenge him when he was about to enter the house on launch night ?.
If BB insist on putting people in the house with such extreme views then at least treat everybody the same.
He should never been allowed in.

[rionablue]

Presenters on the whole are always encouraged to try and remain neutral. This never happens on either BB or BBBOTS ( look at the lambasting some housemates got last year while others were held on pedestals no matter what they did) Up to this point I have never seen Emma interview someone in the manner she interviewed Winston last night. That being said, no matter what happens from now on Winston DID say that gay people adopting a child is like child abuse. This is one of the most foul disgusting things I have ever heard. I am a Christian also and I believe that in a changing world everyone is entitled to find love whether it be with the same sex or the opposite sex.

It was drilled into my brain when I was young that the Church is opposed to homosexual love and that love should ALWAYS be between a man and a woman. One of the MAIN reasons I love our current Pope is that he loves all parts of society and while he knows the teachings of the church he opens his arms and his heart to everyone which as a Christian I believe all the leaders of our church should do. I was sickened by Winstons statement and deeply sorry for the hurt it must have caused all my gay friends and all the gay people in our society who are looking for exactly the same thing as hetrosexuals, love marriage and children. Emma tried her best to make that creep cringe and justify his actions but the Church that he professes to believe in ISNT the one I am part of.

[Kazanne]

Even though some of the things he said in both his VT & outside the house disgusts me I can't help feel that it was a stitch-up from start to finish.
Other former HM's such as Jim Davison had some pretty horrific views on certain things yet was never taken to task.
The thing last night when past things came back to "haunt" the HM's was purely designed to humiliate Winston. None of the others had anything like that.
If Emma was so offended by Winston's views then why not challenge him when he was about to enter the house on launch night ?.
If BB insist on putting people in the house with such extreme views then at least treat everybody the same.
He should never been allowed in.

:clap1::clap1::clap1:

[Lostie!]

Words mean nothing.

Apart from the countless times throughout the years when mere words have had terrible effects on the people they've been aimed at. But I suppose that's their own fault for not having a thick enough skin and nothing to do with the person actually being wildly offensive, right?

Well I could say I am 'offended' that you blastpheme to get your point across !!!! what should I do ? show anger or ignore it ? how silly is all this faux outrage ,I believe some people are protesting far too much.

I'm sorry but people really need to stop pulling out this "faux outrage" card every single time a debate like this comes up, it's so cliched now. Nobody ever seems to be able to back up how they now the anger isn't genuine.

Not just that but it's actually insulting itself. Why is it hard to believe that gay people and certain others who respect gay people / have gay loved ones could be genuinely offended by things like comparing having same sex parents to child abuse and jokes about gay men being predators?

[jet]

I dont see why what Winston said outside the house is relevant to this show? He was annihilated over some previous comment and that wasnt right. Had he said it inside the house, they'd have brought him to the DR, given him a formal warning and told him that type of talk is offensive and not permitted by the rules. He didnt say it in the house, so I dont see why they brought it, only to blow it up into an issue, where they were potentially offending people. I guess they got their storyline but it was ugly how this all went down

His VT showed him as homophobic though so he knew - and we knew - that that was always going to be part of his storyline and not something that was 'outside' the house. It's how BB works. Everything that came up in the task was already covered in all the individual VT's. I'm also pretty sure that the celebs are told what they will be asked about in any task that will reveal personal details about them. BB isn't out to ruin anyone's career - they couldn't risk being sued. It is then the celebs responsibility how they respond.
Usually if a celeb is disliked by many over something they have said or done it outside the house it gives them a chance to redeem themselves if they so wish and it has worked for many of them. In Winston's case he didn't explain his position without giving offence to many and the responsibility for that is all his.

[Kazanne]

I get that people are outraged Lostie,I think most of us were quite shocked,what I don't get is BB gave him that question,BB knew his views before he entered so WHY did they let him in ? people have been so 'angry' about this since his VT,what is it achieving ? 3 days of none stop outrage,when will, it stop? LOL,he's hated by the people he targeted so I don't see what else can happen.Yes he's a homophobic old fart,does that hurt us? not really.

[Shaun]

This just in: homophobia doesn't hurt a straight woman

[Lostie!]

I get that people are outraged Lostie,I think most of us were quite shocked,what I don't get is BB gave him that question,BB knew his views before he entered so WHY did they let him in ? people have been so 'angry' about this since his VT,what is it achieving ? 3 days of none stop outrage,when will, it stop? LOL,he's hated by the people he targeted so I don't see what else can happen.Yes he's a homophobic old fart,does that hurt us? not really.

It definitely hurts some people, and understandably so.

Speaking personally, I'm not as offended for myself as I could have been mainly because it's just some guy who I'd never heard of before and who I'm clearly never gonna really look up to in any way. But if someone who I respected or someone I was close to said the same things, I'd be mortified. That said, his words still annoy me because there's no need to make people feel like deviants or second-class citizens because they happen to be gay.

But that doesn't mean I support things like the crowd being their usual bloodthirsty self last night, regardless of what someone's done or said I want to watch the interview and hear what they have to say about it.

[Kazanne]

This just in: homophobia doesn't hurt a straight woman

I take that on board Shaun,it probably is difficult for a straight person to fully understand ,it is something for me to think about.

[chuff me dizzy]

Even though some of the things he said in both his VT & outside the house disgusts me I can't help feel that it was a stitch-up from start to finish.
Other former HM's such as Jim Davison had some pretty horrific views on certain things yet was never taken to task.
The thing last night when past things came back to "haunt" the HM's was purely designed to humiliate Winston. None of the others had anything like that.
If Emma was so offended by Winston's views then why not challenge him when he was about to enter the house on launch night ?.
If BB insist on putting people in the house with such extreme views then at least treat everybody the same.
He should never been allowed in.

:clap1:

[GoldHeart]

Even though some of the things he said in both his VT & outside the house disgusts me I can't help feel that it was a stitch-up from start to finish.
Other former HM's such as Jim Davison had some pretty horrific views on certain things yet was never taken to task.
The thing last night when past things came back to "haunt" the HM's was purely designed to humiliate Winston. None of the others had anything like that.
If Emma was so offended by Winston's views then why not challenge him when he was about to enter the house on launch night ?.
If BB insist on putting people in the house with such extreme views then at least treat everybody the same.
He should never been allowed in.

My point exactly and the producers keep putting narrow minded idiots in the house for entertainment but then some get their arses kissed and others get evicted and hated
And yes they shouldn't put those people in but they do it all the time
BB is a carcrash and I can't believe it hasn't been axed
The show is to blame for shrowing a ukip member in a house with 2 gay guys and a gay presenter hosting the show
It was soo obvious the producers wanted it to kick off for ratings and its pathetic

It's like deliberately putting in someone who bad mouths disabled folk and then having a an an amputee person also in the house
It's to cause arguments and they like all hell breaking lose
That's why I hate it it's soo conniving and such a calculated plan

[Withano]

Well I could say I am 'offended' that you blastpheme to get your point across !!!! what should I do ? show anger or ignore it ? how silly is all this faux outrage ,I believe some people are protesting far too much.

There is no faux outrage. People dislike homophobia. There isnt much to be confused about and im shocked that you are.

[ThriceShy]

There is no faux outrage. People dislike homophobia. There isnt much to be confused about and im shocked that you are.

I'm glad you are speaking for everyone.

In a survey posted on here tonight, 31% of the british people were against gay adoption.

[jet]

I'm glad you are speaking for everyone.

In a survey posted on here tonight, 31% of the british people were against gay adoption.

That's less than I thought. People are becoming more open minded and educated. Good to see!

[letmein]

yeah, like his work for the homeless. actions, not words.

Homeless? Who? Himself? :joker: He's helping no one.

[ThriceShy]

That's less than I thought. People are becoming more open minded and educated. Good to see!

It is 20 million people.

Winston is not the tiny minority people want us to believe.

By the way 16% were don't knows. So only 53% actually voted in favour.

[Withano]

I'm glad you are speaking for everyone.

In a survey posted on here tonight, 31% of the british people were against gay adoption.

Hi, the 31% you keep refferring to was taken by a 2013 poll. Can you think of any historically significant things that has happened with the community since then? ****ing loads. You should research this instead.
Find a 2015 poll if you want to throw around numbers because yes obviously a 2013 poll is already out of date.

Your 2013 poll states that 55% of people believe that homsexuals should be able to get married, this has rose to 71% in the two years. It is very safe to presume that gay adoption views have also taken a dramatic rise too. Judging by those numbers, do you believe Winstons (and your own) views have a place in modern Britain. They do not, you are both among the last to move with the times.

I doubt you want to educate yourself, but just in case, these are the current views of europe. http://www.equineteurope.org/IMG/pdf/ebs_437_en.pdf

[Macie Lightfoot]

I dont see why what Winston said outside the house is relevant to this show? He was annihilated over some previous comment and that wasnt right. Had he said it inside the house, they'd have brought him to the DR, given him a formal warning and told him that type of talk is offensive and not permitted by the rules. He didnt say it in the house, so I dont see why they brought it, only to blow it up into an issue, where they were potentially offending people. I guess they got their storyline but it was ugly how this all went down

What Winston said outside the house is relevant because it's absolutely why he was cast for the show in the first place.

[Amy Jade]

Again with the 'you're not gay why are you offended' crap.

If this is how you expect things to work them nobody here can be offended by animals being slaughtered for fur as we are not animals. Nobody can be offended by racism unless they are of the race being discriminated against...etc etc

The absolute reaching some members are doing in defence of a horrible bigoted old man is shocking - you'll lump the blame on anyone but the man himself.

[letmein]

It is 20 million people.

Winston is not the tiny minority people want us to believe.

By the way 16% were don't knows. So only 53% actually voted in favour.

Winston, the homophobic idiot is gone and gay people can marry and adopt children, get over it! You're wasting your time.

[chuff me dizzy]

Maybe I am alone. But like Jeremy I take offence at ACTIONS. Not words.

Words mean nothing really. So Winston doesn't agree gays should adopt kids. That's his view. Meh. Okay. Over and done with.

But the housemates' reaction was bizarre. MASS offence was taken. It was like 'you insulted me even though I am not gay!'

They ganged up on Winston with such venom and hate, sorry I had to laugh. Winston on the other hand conducted himself well.

And may I say HIS was the only CBB/BB eviction interview I have watched from start to finish. And Emma's attitude, just like the housemates, just like the crowd, was as ONE. Venom. You could hear it in her questioning.

What's HER problem? She doesn't agree with Winston, END OF. Move on. Ever heard of free speech, love. It's a free country, if you've forgotten. This isn't Saudi or China.

Why do these people feel the need to try and convince Winston is wrong. He can't be moved, no point.

And let's face it. BB threw Winston to the lions. He wasn't just sitting there and suddenly said 'I think gays are child abusers'. It was BB that brought it up. Something he said, when? Two years ago. In an interview, is then dragged up. And the housemates were like the kids fable, Emperor's New Clothes, they all agreed to hate Winston. And it was Jeremy, the 'boy' who stood up and say no.

And as for Angie, her reaction was way over the top. It looked like she was ready to commit murder. I have to say she is without question several sandwiches short of a picnic.

The hate she showed, she disgusted me more than anyone. Anything Winston SAID. Because it's what she displayed. Hate. Not what she said. Words mean nothing.

Excellent post

[Beso]

I'm finding all this hatred aimed at winston really sad and depressing now, all the ganging up on people who dont take the view that hes this homophobic monster as well is totally uncalled for and should not be allowed to happen on the forum wether the moderators agree with whats said or not. Its all completely uncalled for and has no place on the forum.

With winston what you have is a man who said one thing years ago,something that he believes in and something he has stood by despite all the bullying and harrasment due to him saying it. A man who should actually be praised for staying strong in his beliefs. A man in all honesty because of his unwilting personality that i would want in my corner if i needed someone to fight for me and what i thought was rightious due to his unwilting ways.

His back to the walls comment is something i find unworthy of outrage because if you are gay and reading this is it breally that bad? Think about your relationship with your straight friends, have they never made a few jokey comments to you about your sexuality like perhaps you have to them about theirs! If they haven't, would you be as outraged and hatefull towards them if they did?

Winston has grown up in England as a black youth and will have had all the names surrounding that aimed at him as a kid on a daily basis growing up in the seventies. Does he seem like a man that is holding a grudge about it to you, because to me he doesnt! He looks like a man who has used it to make him stronger and more determined in life.

Time and time again winston has said why he used the term child abuse and if he believes that child abuse is a child that has been deprived of a mother figure then thats his perogative and it should be respected. If you have beliefs that gay marraige should be treated the same as same sex marraige when it comes adoption then hey guess what, it's not. So instead of posting on here about how disgusted you are at winston maybe you should channel that disgust and go and seek out your local mp and get him to fight for you and your rights to equality when it comes to adoption.

Winston as a 59yr old man will have earned the right to have these opinions and the right not to have them stripped away, he has the right as a man to believe he is due some respect, a man who should be able to remain with any belief he has and that no political correctness should be able to dictate what he can and can't say.

so it may be 2016, and you may think there is no place for these beliefs in this day and age but for some people of winstons age and era they see it as their way of life being suddenly stripped from underneath them and for me that is really unfair on them. The one constant through all of this though is the fact that winston is a man and in 2016 no man deserves the hatred and intolorence that has been aimed at winston on this forum lately.


So i ask you all that are guilty of it to practice what you preach and instead of spreading more hate in the world try and spread a little love instead as winston isnt exactly calling for anything more than being allowed to hold his opinion as long as he isnt preaching or spreading hatred to his fellow man.

[Amy Jade]

:sleep::sleep::sleep::sleep:

[Beso]

:sleep::sleep::sleep::sleep:

Well thank you for the effort, but after reading your comment about aisleyne looking like she is out looking for a punter because she has made an effort in her choice of attire on a night out, your opinion has become somewhat irrelevent to me because its as outdated and as prejudiced as you believe and hold so dear to your heart that winstons are.

[kirklancaster]

Presenters on the whole are always encouraged to try and remain neutral. This never happens on either BB or BBBOTS ( look at the lambasting some housemates got last year while others were held on pedestals no matter what they did) Up to this point I have never seen Emma interview someone in the manner she interviewed Winston last night. That being said, no matter what happens from now on Winston DID say that gay people adopting a child is like child abuse. This is one of the most foul disgusting things I have ever heard. I am a Christian also and I believe that in a changing world everyone is entitled to find love whether it be with the same sex or the opposite sex.

It was drilled into my brain when I was young that the Church is opposed to homosexual love and that love should ALWAYS be between a man and a woman. One of the MAIN reasons I love our current Pope is that he loves all parts of society and while he knows the teachings of the church he opens his arms and his heart to everyone which as a Christian I believe all the leaders of our church should do. I was sickened by Winstons statement and deeply sorry for the hurt it must have caused all my gay friends and all the gay people in our society who are looking for exactly the same thing as hetrosexuals, love marriage and children. Emma tried her best to make that creep cringe and justify his actions but the Church that he professes to believe in ISNT the one I am part of.


Nowhere in The New Testament does it mention 'homosexuality' - NOWHERE.

So any instruction, guidance, or teaching by 'The Church', that homosexuality is wrong, abberant or against the teachings of Jesus Christ, is the invention of those 'Churches' themselves and has NOTHING to do with Christ, or The New Testament, and therefore, nothing to do with Christianity.

If Winston TRULY believes the inane drivel he has espoused, then he has been 'brainwashed' by the homophobic prejudice of MAN and is not therefore 'remaining true to his faith', because nowhere is Christ - the fountainhead of Christianity- on record as being judgemental of homosexuals.

I have written on another thread that Winston was 'set up' by CBB, so I will not repeat it here, but I just wanted to clear up the gross mistake that Winston and others, it seems, are making in blaming 'Christianity' for his views.

[chuff me dizzy]

Nowhere in The New Testament does it mention 'homosexuality' - NOWHERE.

So any instruction, guidance, or teaching by 'The Church', that homosexuality is wrong, abberant or against the teachings of Jesus Christ, is the invention of those 'Churches' themselves and has NOTHING to do with Christ, or The New Testament, and therefore, nothing to do with Christianity.

If Winston TRULY believes the inane drivel he has espoused, then he has been 'brainwashed' by the homophobic prejudice of MAN and is not therefore 'remaining true to his faith', because nowhere is Christ - the fountainhead of Christianity- on record as being judgemental of homosexuals.

I have written on another thread that Winston was 'set up' by CBB, so I will not repeat it here, but I just wanted to clear up the gross mistake that Winston and others, it seems, are making in blaming 'Christianity' for his views.

WRONG ......... https://carm.org/bible-homosexuality

[Beso]

http://www.biblestudytools.com/romans/passage/?q=romans+1:26-28

[chuff me dizzy]

http://www.upworthy.com/there-are-6-scriptures-about-homosexuality-in-the-bible-heres-what-they-really-say

6 scriptures about homosexuality in the Bible

[MrWong]

http://www.upworthy.com/there-are-6-scriptures-about-homosexuality-in-the-bible-heres-what-they-really-say

6 scriptures about homosexuality in the Bible

I get the feeling that you haven't even read the page that you've linked to :D

[Kazanne]

There is no faux outrage. People dislike homophobia. There isnt much to be confused about and im shocked that you are.

I get people are outraged, but some of it is over the top (imo)and I know some people don't like homophobia,there are a lot of things in this world I don't like ,but sadly we have to live with some of it,only education and upbringing can change how society is,you must remember the older generation was brought up totally different to now,and they are just as entitalled to their opinions as we are,I am not confused Withano,just taking both sides on board.

[MrWong]

I get people are outraged, but some of it is over the top (imo)and I know some people don't like homophobia,there are a lot of things in this world I don't like ,but sadly we have to live with some of it,only education and upbringing can change how society is,you must remember the older generation was brought up totally different to now,and they are just as entitalled to their opinions as we are,I am not confused Withano,just taking both sides on board.

Who is stopping people having an opinion?

Challenging an opinion isn't stopping it btw.

[bots]

Who is stopping people having an opinion?

Challenging an opinion isn't stopping it btw.

Plenty are trying to stop valid opinion with accusations of homophobia etc. One would need to be blind not to see it

[MrWong]

Plenty are trying to stop valid opinion with accusations of homophobia etc. One would need to be blind not to see it

Had the person accused of homophobia made a homophobic comment?

I've see plenty of those comments the past couple of days.

[bots]

Had the person accused of homophobia made a homophobic comment?

I've see plenty of those comments the past couple of days.

only in your opinion

[MrWong]

only in your opinion

The forum has been awash with ignorant homophobic posts. Multiple threads closed. Posts removed.

Pretend none of that happened if you like.

[Beso]

To be fair i think most threads were closed for pointless tit for tat one upmanship type posts rather than homophobic ones.

[rionablue]

Nowhere in The New Testament does it mention 'homosexuality' - NOWHERE.

So any instruction, guidance, or teaching by 'The Church', that homosexuality is wrong, abberant or against the teachings of Jesus Christ, is the invention of those 'Churches' themselves and has NOTHING to do with Christ, or The New Testament, and therefore, nothing to do with Christianity.

If Winston TRULY believes the inane drivel he has espoused, then he has been 'brainwashed' by the homophobic prejudice of MAN and is not therefore 'remaining true to his faith', because nowhere is Christ - the fountainhead of Christianity- on record as being judgemental of homosexuals.

I have written on another thread that Winston was 'set up' by CBB, so I will not repeat it here, but I just wanted to clear up the gross mistake that Winston and others, it seems, are making in blaming 'Christianity' for his views.

You are perfectly entitled to your opinion as am I of mine.

[sampvt]

This is so so sad. Other forums have let Winston go but this one still rambles on arguing for gay rights, homophobic issue, biblical references to homosexuality, children is gay marriages....etc etc.....its all so bloody boring and completely draining. Ive gone back to as many posts as I could and counted the most verbal FM's that continually speak out against these sensitive views and I didn't get over 50. Can anyone tell me what 50 represents in terms of a percentage of the forums membership.

Now that's done, we can clearly see that a very small portion of anti gay issues are disproportionally represented, yet the forum is governed by these posters. I applaud free speech and right, but is TIBB not taking this whole debacle to extremes that puts people off discussing other issues.

There is way to many cat fights in here and not enough serious debate. Plus the number of posts that are all about the same thing is just crazy. Can anyone find me one post about the antics of the eventual winner Darren Day, because at the moment he is running away with it and on the tv he seems to be involved in a fair amount of debates, yet nothing on here about him. This forum seems to be getting bogged down with homophobic and PC issues when there is a whole show to talk about.

Come on guys, lighten up and lets get back to basics and let the bad guy drift into oblivion, he simply isn't worth our breath and the more we talk about him, the more relevant he becomes.

[kirklancaster]

You are perfectly entitled to your opinion as am I of mine.

I was not berating or targetting you, I was really saying that the Christian Church should never preach homophobia based on the teachings of Jesus the Christ because Christ did not mention homosexuality anywhere - let alone condemn it.

[Livia]

Maybe, for some Winston supporters, this is the first time you've all encountered him. Otherwise, I really don't recognise the person you seem to be supporting. Maybe you've not seen the outrageously shocking stuff he's said in the past. Maybe the fact that he says a LOT of words but doesn't ever really make a point unless it's an insulting point. If some of the things he's said about gay people had been said about black people, Winston would think he'd been insulted. It's right people are talking about this so all the pleas for people to lighten up are weak and appeasing. Do not let ANYONE off lightly for being a bigot.

[sampvt]

Maybe, for some Winston supporters, this is the first time you've all encountered him. Otherwise, I really don't recognise the person you seem to be supporting. Maybe you've not seen the outrageously shocking stuff he's said in the past. Maybe the fact that he says a LOT of words but doesn't ever really make a point unless it's an insulting point. If some of the things he's said about gay people had been said about black people, Winston would think he'd been insulted. It's right people are talking about this so all the pleas for people to lighten up are weak and appeasing. Do not let ANYONE off lightly for being a bigot.

Livia, no disrespect intended but your post has been said loads of times and it makes it no less relevant but we buy 3 sunday suppliments to read different news, we don't but 3 copies of the same newspaper and read them all every day.

[kirklancaster]

WRONG ......... https://carm.org/bible-homosexuality

Sorry, I should have made myself crystal clear:

I am aware of those few passages which you cite, and familiar with the highly contentious translations of the words "Malakoi" and "Arsenokoitai", and also the fact that the word 'Sodomy' - which has become a byword for anal intercourse and the 'foundation' upon which so many Biblical Text interpreters wrongly base their interpretations upon – has NO connotations with homosexuals or homosexuality itself, because NOWHERE in Genesis 19 is anal intercourse mentioned let alone 'homosexuality.

So, just HOW the word Sodomy came to be accepted as a definition of anal intercourse is one mystery , but just how it came to be almost exclusively an 'homosexual' act in most people's mind, is a far greater one – don't heterosexuals widely practice anal intercourse?

As it is, the few passages in the New Testament which purport to denounce 'homosexuality' are highly questionable, and what I meant to say, and should have said, is that nowhere in the New Testament does GOD in the form of Jesus The Christ, mention Homosexuality.

The later Paulean letters and sermons are the words of MAN and NOT the words of GOD – neither the Father or Son.

Therefore, if Paul or Timothy – or any New Testament writer – is writing anything other than the direct teachings and words of Jesus Christ, then the sentiments expressed in such writings are THEIRS and NOT Christ's, and as such I discount them as I see fit.

Paul and other writers may have been 'Christians' but they are NOT Christ, and – to me therefore, as a non-orthodox Christian - their anti-homosexual opinions are not infallible and are about as valid as my pro-homosexual opinion.

If therefore, the Christian Church teaches anti-homosexual or 'homophobic' views, then they should make it clear that what they are basing their teachings on are the words of MAN and NOT GOD.

If Winston has been brainwashed, then it is by the perverse minds of other men, not the infallible words of God.

[Livia]

Livia, no disrespect intended but your post has been said loads of times and it makes it no less relevant but we buy 3 sunday suppliments to read different news, we don't but 3 copies of the same newspaper and read them all every day.

You don't get to decide what I post, in fact, you don't get to edit what anyone on here says or decide how often a point is made. It's a forum. You have to expect people to say what they feel whether or not anyone's already said it. I don't see you trying to censor people saying positive things about your favourites so please don't try to censor me.

[Niamh.]

Maybe, for some Winston supporters, this is the first time you've all encountered him. Otherwise, I really don't recognise the person you seem to be supporting. Maybe you've not seen the outrageously shocking stuff he's said in the past. Maybe the fact that he says a LOT of words but doesn't ever really make a point unless it's an insulting point. If some of the things he's said about gay people had been said about black people, Winston would think he'd been insulted. It's right people are talking about this so all the pleas for people to lighten up are weak and appeasing. Do not let ANYONE off lightly for being a bigot.


:clap2:

[kirklancaster]

Livia, no disrespect intended but your post has been said loads of times and it makes it no less relevant but we buy 3 sunday suppliments to read different news, we don't but 3 copies of the same newspaper and read them all every day.

:shrug: Uh? This is a forum, where ALL members are free and welcome to post their views - even if such views reiterate earlier ones, or overlap current ones.

[Amy Jade]

Well thank you for the effort, but after reading your comment about aisleyne looking like she is out looking for a punter because she has made an effort in her choice of attire on a night out, your opinion has become somewhat irrelevent to me because its as outdated and as prejudiced as you believe and hold so dear to your heart that winstons are.

I came to exactly the same conclusion about you a few days ago for many reasons hun so no hard feelings x

[Amy Jade]

You don't get to decide what I post, in fact, you don't get to edit what anyone on here says or decide how often a point is made. It's a forum. You have to expect people to say what they feel whether or not anyone's already said it. I don't see you trying to censor people saying positive things about your favourites so please don't try to censor me.

:clap1:

[Beso]

Sorry, I should have made myself crystal clear:

I am aware of those few passages which you cite, and familiar with the highly contentious translations of the words "Malakoi" and "Arsenokoitai", and also the fact that the word 'Sodomy' - which has become a byword for anal intercourse and the 'foundation' upon which so many Biblical Text interpreters wrongly base their interpretations upon – has NO connotations with homosexuals or homosexuality itself, because NOWHERE in Genesis 19 is anal intercourse mentioned let alone 'homosexuality.

So, just HOW the word Sodomy came to be accepted as a definition of anal intercourse is one mystery , but just how it came to be almost exclusively an 'homosexual' act in most people's mind, is a far greater one – don't heterosexuals widely practice anal intercourse?

As it is, the few passages in the New Testament which purport to denounce 'homosexuality' are highly questionable, and what I meant to say, and should have said, is that nowhere in the New Testament does GOD in the form of Jesus The Christ, mention Homosexuality.

The later Paulean letters and sermons are the words of MAN and NOT the words of GOD – neither the Father or Son.

Therefore, if Paul or Timothy – or any New Testament writer – is writing anything other than the direct teachings and words of Jesus Christ, then the sentiments expressed in such writings are THEIRS and NOT Christ's, and as such I discount them as I see fit.

Paul and other writers may have been 'Christians' but they are NOT Christ, and – to me therefore, as a non-orthodox Christian - their anti-homosexual opinions are not infallible and are about as valid as my pro-homosexual opinion.

If therefore, the Christian Church teaches anti-homosexual or 'homophobic' views, then they should make it clear that what they are basing their teachings on are the words of MAN and NOT GOD.

If Winston has been brainwashed, then it is by the perverse minds of other men, not the infallible words of God.
Isnt the entire human race the embodiment of god though, blah de lbah load of hocus pocus bollox.

[Beso]

I came to exactly the same conclusion about you a few days ago for many reasons hun so no hard feelings x

At least im not making a hypocritical arse of myself though x much love and respect.

[kirklancaster]

This is so so sad. Other forums have let Winston go but this one still rambles on arguing for gay rights, homophobic issue, biblical references to homosexuality, children is gay marriages....etc etc.....its all so bloody boring and completely draining. Ive gone back to as many posts as I could and counted the most verbal FM's that continually speak out against these sensitive views and I didn't get over 50. Can anyone tell me what 50 represents in terms of a percentage of the forums membership.

Now that's done, we can clearly see that a very small portion of anti gay issues are disproportionally represented, yet the forum is governed by these posters. I applaud free speech and right, but is TIBB not taking this whole debacle to extremes that puts people off discussing other issues.

There is way to many cat fights in here and not enough serious debate. Plus the number of posts that are all about the same thing is just crazy. Can anyone find me one post about the antics of the eventual winner Darren Day, because at the moment he is running away with it and on the tv he seems to be involved in a fair amount of debates, yet nothing on here about him. This forum seems to be getting bogged down with homophobic and PC issues when there is a whole show to talk about.

Come on guys, lighten up and lets get back to basics and let the bad guy drift into oblivion, he simply isn't worth our breath and the more we talk about him, the more relevant he becomes.

The CBB producers brought Winston's own homophobic and offensive remarks into the public arena - and especially this forum - when they deliberately incorporated them into a task.

This forum has a lot of 'gay' members - not disproportionately so, though it may appear that way simply because those gay members are more pro-active than a lot of non-gay members - and if they have quite rightly taken offense at Winston's remarks once they were out in the open, then it is totally natural that this forum is THE place where such offended members will vent and voice their reactions.

I see nothing wrong in that.

[kirklancaster]

Isnt the entire human race the embodiment of god though, blah de lbah load of hocus pocus bollox.

Now YOU are being needlessly offensive. But that's fine by me, if vitriol and insult and offensiveness is what you want, I will return it to you in spades. just let me know.

[Beso]

This is so so sad. Other forums have let Winston go but this one still rambles on arguing for gay rights, homophobic issue, biblical references to homosexuality, children is gay marriages....etc etc.....its all so bloody boring and completely draining. Ive gone back to as many posts as I could and counted the most verbal FM's that continually speak out against these sensitive views and I didn't get over 50. Can anyone tell me what 50 represents in terms of a percentage of the forums membership.

Now that's done, we can clearly see that a very small portion of anti gay issues are disproportionally represented, yet the forum is governed by these posters. I applaud free speech and right, but is TIBB not taking this whole debacle to extremes that puts people off discussing other issues.

There is way to many cat fights in here and not enough serious debate. Plus the number of posts that are all about the same thing is just crazy. Can anyone find me one post about the antics of the eventual winner Darren Day, because at the moment he is running away with it and on the tv he seems to be involved in a fair amount of debates, yet nothing on here about him. This forum seems to be getting bogged down with homophobic and PC issues when there is a whole show to talk about.

Come on guys, lighten up and lets get back to basics and let the bad guy drift into oblivion, he simply isn't worth our breath and the more we talk about him, the more relevant he becomes.
http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showthread.php?t=294924&highlight=

As popular as ever:joker:

[Beso]

Now YOU are being needlessly offensive. But that's fine by me, if vitriol and insult and offensiveness is what you want, I will return it to you in spades. just let me know.

Is it offensive to be aithiest these days? Blimey.

Anyway im just quoting a gay clergyman i watched on a debate show i watched this morning about the church and the lgbtqia+ community.

[Amy Jade]

At least im not making a hypocritical arse of myself though x much love and respect.

Yes you are but you're too deluded to see it haha

[Kizzy]

Why is the worldwide Christian Anglican church so split on gay marriage then right now? If there was no direct link to the word of god then how as theologians are they able to justify denouncing the union.
Is it specifically marriage and not homosexuality that is forbidden? That may be where the confusion has arisen.

His condemnation was directly linked to his faith, nothing to do with any fears for the children, we know that as he stated it directly to Emma.
All I see with the deprivation of male and female influences angle is people wishing to project their own prejudices into the discussion.

[Beso]

Yes you are but you're too deluded to see it haha

Ok, but I'll need an example to take the accusation seriously..and dont use the one in the other thread cause that was just pointing out your hypocrisy.

[kirklancaster]

Why is the worldwide Christian Anglican church so split on gay marriage then right now? If there was no direct link to the word of god then how as theologians are they able to justify denouncing the union.
Is it specifically marriage and not homosexuality that is forbidden? That may be where the confusion has arisen.

His condemnation was directly linked to his faith, nothing to do with any fears for the children, we know that as he stated it directly to Emma.
All I see with the deprivation of male and female influences angle is people wishing to project their own prejudices into the discussion.

If Christ did NOT mention 'homosexuality' in the New Testament - which he DID NOT, then God has NO views either on 'Gay' relationships or 'Gay' Marriage , and God is not judgemental on either.

So that means that - as already stated - it is MAN in the form of the 'Church' who are split on THEIR views and not on the word of GOD.

"His condemnation" was NOT "directly linked to his faith" - it was the result of being brainwashed by the toxic preachings of a prejudiced homophobic Church minister.

Faith in a Christian God ie; Christ, does not render one homophobic because homosexuality was NEVER mentioned by that God.

[Tarryn]

I consider myself Christian yet have never been told or feel that being gay/bisexual is wrong.
I would never treat anyone differently based on their sexuality.
Just because I'm straight does not mean I can't understand that others have different feelings to me & this was Winston's problem. A lack of respect.
What I do feel though is that the HM's should have just sat there a let him have his say without interrupting or laughing at him. Then at least tried to challenge him on his beliefs.
He should never been allowed to go in to the house & I think that's why BB wanted him out very quickly when they realised just how much offence he could cause.
He should be allowed his opinion no matter how much we disagree with it.
If we keep shutting people with homophobic views down we will never change their views.

[Kazanne]

I consider myself Christian yet have never been told or feel that being gay/bisexual is wrong.
I would never treat anyone differently based on their sexuality.
Just because I'm straight does not mean I can't understand that others have different feelings to me & this was Winston's problem. A lack of respect.
What I do feel though is that the HM's should have just sat there a let him have his say without interrupting or laughing at him. Then at least tried to challenge him on his beliefs.
He should never been allowed to go in to the house & I think that's why BB wanted him out very quickly when they realised just how much offence he could cause.
He should be allowed his opinion no matter how much we disagree with it.
If we keep shutting people with homophobic views down we will never change their views.

Good post Tarryn:wavey::wavey:

[Kizzy]

If Christ did NOT mention 'homosexuality' in the New Testament - which he DID NOT, then God has NO views either on 'Gay' relationships or 'Gay' Marriage , and God is not judgemental on either.

So that means that - as already stated - it is MAN in the form of the 'Church' who are split on THEIR views and not on the word of GOD.

"His condemnation" was NOT "directly linked to his faith" - it was the result of being brainwashed by the toxic preachings of a prejudiced homophobic Church minister.

Faith in a Christian God ie; Christ, does not render one homophobic because homosexuality was NEVER mentioned by that God.

He linked it directly, he stated ' I am a Christian' which is the goto response for many.
Here is some information as to why there is a split, which explains it better than I could.
http://www.christiantoday.com/article/dean.of.st.pauls.anglicans.need.each.other.despite .deep.split.over.homosexuality/76082.htm

[Tom4784]

The reaction is justified. He's a homophobic disablist creeper that blames everyone else for his own actions and hasn't taken responsibility for anything he has said. When he had the chance to clear the air he just went on a ridiculously self indulgent speech trying to justify his hate.

An awful human being through and through.

[sampvt]

The bible promotes the sancity of marriage between a man and a woman. Im guessing that anything outside that alliance isn't regarded as correct, hence the twisted views of many clergy and church ministers. On side will argue its wrong, the other will argue its not that clear so because its not that clear, it cant be right and even though its not that wrong, it suits our agenda so away we go, Bull****, Religion is the cause of nearly all wars and killings so why let a good point get in the way of an argument.

Love is all that matters and a bit f paper or a church indoctrination is totally irrelevant. What I don't understand is why so many gays discount the church as archaic, yet fight for the right to be married in one. Religion is not the law and too many people let religion rule their lives. Bloody daft if you ask me as some people use religion as a way to explain away their own inadequacies and others discount it as BS.

[Kizzy]

I consider myself Christian yet have never been told or feel that being gay/bisexual is wrong.
I would never treat anyone differently based on their sexuality.
Just because I'm straight does not mean I can't understand that others have different feelings to me & this was Winston's problem. A lack of respect.
What I do feel though is that the HM's should have just sat there a let him have his say without interrupting or laughing at him. Then at least tried to challenge him on his beliefs.
He should never been allowed to go in to the house & I think that's why BB wanted him out very quickly when they realised just how much offence he could cause.
He should be allowed his opinion no matter how much we disagree with it.
If we keep shutting people with homophobic views down we will never change their views.

His view was heard... He was asked why he felt that way and his response was 'I am a Christian', not even the Anglican church can agree if it is prohibited in the eyes of god or not so it's a perfect get out clause to use to mask bigotry.

[Tarryn]

His view was heard... He was asked why he felt that way and his response was 'I am a Christian', not even the Anglican church can agree if it is prohibited in the eyes of god or not so it's a perfect get out clause to use to mask bigotry.

Most walked out before he finished. I think I would have stayed until the end & then challenged him.

[Kizzy]

The bible promotes the sancity of marriage between a man and a woman. Im guessing that anything outside that alliance isn't regarded as correct, hence the twisted views of many clergy and church ministers. On side will argue its wrong, the other will argue its not that clear so because its not that clear, it cant be right and even though its not that wrong, it suits our agenda so away we go, Bull****, Religion is the cause of nearly all wars and killings so why let a good point get in the way of an argument.

Love is all that matters and a bit f paper or a church indoctrination is totally irrelevant. What I don't understand is why so many gays discount the church as archaic, yet fight for the right to be married in one. Religion is not the law and too many people let religion rule their lives. Bloody daft if you ask me as some people use religion as a way to explain away their own inadequacies and others discount it as BS.

I agree with you Sam to a point, many wish to be married in the eyes of god, though the ideals foisted on the church personally I don't think have anything to do with spiritual aherance and more to do with social control.

[Kizzy]

Most walked out before he finished. I think I would have stayed until the end & then challenged him.

No they didn't, he stated it during the task and reiterated it for Emma.

[kirklancaster]

He linked it directly, he stated ' I am a Christian' which is the goto response for many.
Here is some information as to why there is a split, which explains it better than I could.
http://www.christiantoday.com/article/dean.of.st.pauls.anglicans.need.each.other.despite .deep.split.over.homosexuality/76082.htm

My position is clear;

A Christian is someone who believes that Jesus was The Christ.

If Jesus never even mentioned homosexuality, then how can anyone who purports to believe in Christ's words as those of God, EVER preach that their Christian God condemned 'Gays', 'Gay Sex' 'Gay Marriage' or anything else 'Gay' when it SIMPLY is not true?

What follows from the above, is that if Winston is GENUINELY using his 'Christianity' as a reason for his inane homophobic remarks, then he is MISGUIDED, and whoever preached their homophobic views to him in the Church which Winston attended, is also misguided or is deliberately misrepresenting the word of the Christian God.

The above being so, when Winston says; "I am a Christian" as some form of mitigation or even justification for his ludicrous views, it is MEANINGLESS.

[kirklancaster]

No they didn't, he stated it during the task and reiterated it for Emma.

I think Tarryn is correctly referring to Winston's speech.

[Tarryn]

No they didn't, he stated it during the task and reiterated it for Emma.

He was still talking when everybody got up & left only Darren & Gemma stayed & tried to ask him about his views.
At least they tried.

[Tom4784]

Like most bigots, he was just using religion as an excuse to justify his bigotry.

[Tarryn]

Like most bigots, he was just using religion as an excuse to justify his bigotry.

I'm not a bigot yet believe in God.
Not everybody is filled with hatred.

[Tom4784]

I'm not a bigot yet believe in God.
Not everybody is filled with hatred.

You misread what I said, I was not saying that all religious people are bigots, just that bigots like Winston use religion as an excuse for their actions.

[jet]

Most walked out before he finished. I think I would have stayed until the end & then challenged him.

I think it was his attitude though. He was giving a speech all about me me me - not explaining his views at all and trying to defuse the situation but reinforcing those views. Then he said if anyone had questions to put up their hands and he would give them 15 minutes of question time. I mean, who does he think he is, their headmaster? He was being so arrogant and patronizing. I know I would have walked out with them.

[Beso]

I'm not a bigot yet believe in God.
Not everybody is filled with hatred.

:clap1:

[Livia]

Like most bigots, he was just using religion as an excuse to justify his bigotry.

Exactly.

[Tarryn]

You misread what I said, I was not saying that all religious people are bigots, just that bigots like Winston use religion as an excuse for their actions.

Sorry I thought you were directing it at me.
People like Winston will always use something to justify being hateful.
I really wish he had never gone in the house.

[Beso]

You misread what I said, I was not saying that all religious people are bigots, just that bigots like Winston use religion as an excuse for their actions.

Most bigots have probably never been in church since the last wedding they attended, unless its the church representatives themselves.

[Tarryn]

I think it was his attitude though. He was giving a speech all about me me me - not explaining his views at all and trying to defuse the situation but reinforcing those views. Then he said if anyone had questions to put up their hands and he would give them 15 minutes of question time. I mean, who does he think he is, their headmaster? He was being so arrogant and patronizing. I know I would have walked out with them.
He had the opportunity to try to say what his justification was & blew it.
I just felt that Daniella laughing at him brought it down to his level.

[Kizzy]

My position is clear;

A Christian is someone who believes that Jesus was The Christ.

If Jesus never even mentioned homosexuality, then how can anyone who purports to believe in Christ's words as those of God, EVER preach that their Christian God condemned 'Gays', 'Gay Sex' 'Gay Marriage' or anything else 'Gay' when it SIMPLY is not true?

What follows from the above, is that if Winston is GENUINELY using his 'Christianity' as a reason for his inane homophobic remarks, then he is MISGUIDED, and whoever preached their homophobic views to him in the Church which Winston attended, is also misguided or is deliberately misrepresenting the word of the Christian God.

The above being so, when Winston says; "I am a Christian" as some form of mitigation or even justification for his ludicrous views, it is MEANINGLESS.

Or just god?
I don't know how, why or where he got his views but as seen with Anglicanism he's not alone.

[jet]

He had the opportunity to try to say what his justification was & blew it.
I just felt that Daniella laughing at him brought it down to his level.

I actually laughed with embarrassment at his pompousness - and I wasn't even there. :hehe:

[Kazanne]

The bible promotes the sancity of marriage between a man and a woman. Im guessing that anything outside that alliance isn't regarded as correct, hence the twisted views of many clergy and church ministers. On side will argue its wrong, the other will argue its not that clear so because its not that clear, it cant be right and even though its not that wrong, it suits our agenda so away we go, Bull****, Religion is the cause of nearly all wars and killings so why let a good point get in the way of an argument.

Love is all that matters and a bit f paper or a church indoctrination is totally irrelevant. What I don't understand is why so many gays discount the church as archaic, yet fight for the right to be married in one. Religion is not the law and too many people let religion rule their lives. Bloody daft if you ask me as some people use religion as a way to explain away their own inadequacies and others discount it as BS.

Very good point about the marriage in church Sam,never thought of it that way before.:wavey:

[ThriceShy]

Hi, the 31% you keep refferring to was taken by a 2013 poll. Can you think of any historically significant things that has happened with the community since then? ****ing loads. You should research this instead.
Find a 2015 poll if you want to throw around numbers because yes obviously a 2013 poll is already out of date.

Your 2013 poll states that 55% of people believe that homsexuals should be able to get married, this has rose to 71% in the two years. It is very safe to presume that gay adoption views have also taken a dramatic rise too. Judging by those numbers, do you believe Winstons (and your own) views have a place in modern Britain. They do not, you are both among the last to move with the times.

I doubt you want to educate yourself, but just in case, these are the current views of europe. http://www.equineteurope.org/IMG/pdf/ebs_437_en.pdf


Pssst......I didn't throw the numbers around. The first time I saw that survey was when one of Winston's detractors on here posted it in order to show that 53% were for gay adoption.

But as you are rejecting the survey then we can reject the 53% and go back to the drawing board.

What people don't seem to have worked out is that Winston got more votes than nancy to stay. This witch hunt is confined to some leftists and media luvvies. The rest of us like Winston and realise his views aren't extreme in the slightest.

[ThriceShy]

The forum has been awash with ignorant homophobic posts. Multiple threads closed. Posts removed.

Pretend none of that happened if you like.

So anyone who doesn't completely agree with your views on gays is homophobic.:laugh:

[MrWong]

Pssst......I didn't throw the numbers around. The first time I saw that survey was when one of Winston's detractors on here posted it in order to show that 53% were for gay adoption.

But as you are rejecting the survey then we can reject the 53% and go back to the drawing board.

What people don't seem to have worked out is that Winston got more votes than nancy to stay. This witch hunt is confined to some leftists and media luvvies. The rest of us like Winston and realise his views aren't extreme in the slightest.

We don't know that for sure.

We also don't know why people voted to save him. On this forum the consensus seemed to be that he was more entertaining good/bad than Nancy and Kristina.

You seem to be suggesting he got votes because people agree with his views? Which can't be proven either.

[ThriceShy]

Like most bigots, he was just using religion as an excuse to justify his bigotry.

Like all muslims you mean?

:shocked:

[MrWong]

So anyone who doesn't completely agree with your views on gays is homophobic.:laugh:

:facepalm:

Where have I said that?

Try reading posts properly before replying.

[ThriceShy]

We don't know that for sure.

Of course we do. Hence the panicked and totally fraudulent "twist" where all the housemates who despised him were suddenly allowed to vote.

We also don't know why people voted to save him. On this forum the consensus seemed to be that he was more entertaining good/bad than Nancy and Kristina.


Absolutely he was more entertaining. I personally think he is worth ten of nancy. Look at all the stuff he has done on his life. He is famous for the right reasons rather than shagging SYE.

You seem to be suggesting he got votes because people agree with his views? Which can't be proven either.


Well he certainly got votes in spite of his views. As I have stated before, you really are out of touch with the real views in Britain. The average man on the street is not a gay rights campaigner and protesting for immigrants to be let in.

[MrWong]

Like all muslims you mean?

:shocked:



You've been watching too much Fox News. :joker:

[ThriceShy]

:facepalm:

Where have I said that?

Try reading posts properly before replying.

So which comments yesterday were homophobic, in your opinion?

[ThriceShy]

You've been watching too much Fox News. :joker:

You think muslims don't hold those views?

Are they allowed freedom of religion but Winston isn't?

[MrWong]

Of course we do. Hence the panicked and totally fraudulent "twist" where all the housemates who despised him were suddenly allowed to vote.
Absolutely he was more entertaining. I personally think he is worth ten of nancy. Look at all the stuff he has done on his life. He is famous for the right reasons rather than shagging SYE.
Well he certainly got votes in spite of his views. As I have stated before, you really are out of touch with the real views in Britain. The average man on the street is not a gay rights campaigner and protesting for immigrants to be let in.

No actually we don't.

So you think he's entertaining. Great. I'm pleased for you.

The only one out of touch here is you and as the years pass you will become even more out of touch.

[ThriceShy]

No actually we don't.

So you think he's entertaining. Great. I'm pleased for you.

The only one out of touch here is you and as the years pass you will become even more out of touch.

But I will still hold my opinion and nobody can do a thing about it. We don't have the thought police yet.

[Beso]

No actually we don't.

So you think he's entertaining. Great. I'm pleased for you.

The only one out of touch here is you and as the years pass you will become even more out of touch.

Like i said yesterday, not if the influx of immigrants continues, more than likely it will go the other way.

[ThriceShy]

Like i said yesterday, not if the influx of immigrants continues, more than likely it will go the other way.

Half a million signed a petition to stop any more immigrants coming in.

These leftists really do think that the entire country are behind them and they couldn't be more wrong. Go to any average pub in this country and ask the blokes what they think of gays adopting and Syrian immigrants and the answers won't be to the leftists liking.

[MrWong]

Half a million signed a petition to stop any more immigrants coming in.

These leftists really do think that the entire country are behind them and they couldn't be more wrong. Go to any average pub in this country and ask the blokes what they think of gays adopting and Syrian immigrants and the answers won't be to the leftists liking.

It's really not that deep.

[Beso]

Half a million signed a petition to stop any more immigrants coming in.

These leftists really do think that the entire country are behind them and they couldn't be more wrong. Go to any average pub in this country and ask the blokes what they think of gays adopting and Syrian immigrants and the answers won't be to the leftists liking.

As a regular to some dingy establishments and back street boozers i disagree about the gay adoption claim as most people i come across would probably shrug and say each to their own before rapidly changing the subject, but i strongly agree about the refugee/ immigrant bit.

[ThriceShy]

So which comments yesterday were homophobic, in your opinion?

Still no answer to this MrWong?

[ThriceShy]

As a regular to some dingy establishments and back street boozers i disagree about the gay adoption claim as most people i come across would probably shrug and say each to their own before rapidly changing the subject, but i strongly agree about the refugee/ immigrant bit.

You clearly don't frequent the boozers I do.:laugh:

[ThriceShy]

It's really not that deep.

Oh I know.

It is as shallow as a puddle and I am hoping they will grow out of it.

[Beso]

You clearly don't frequent the boozers I do.:laugh:

No mate, i probably do.:joker:

[waterhog]

:shrug: Uh? This is a forum, where ALL members are free and welcome to post their views - even if such views reiterate earlier ones, or overlap current ones.


I do copy - and I get the same paper 3 times :joker:

[MrWong]

Still no answer to this MrWong?

You can play dumb and pretend that they don't exist. That's ok.

[ThriceShy]

You can play dumb and pretend that they don't exist. That's ok.

So you can't point them out. Thought not.:laugh:


If you want to accuse people of homophobia then at least have the cojones to back up what you are saying.

[MrWong]

So you can't point them out. Thought not.:laugh:


If you want to accuse people of homophobia then at least have the cojones to back up what you are saying.

I'm not doing the legwork for a WUM.

I saw your response when someone kindly did the legwork for you yesterday.

[ThriceShy]

I'm not doing the legwork for a WUM.

I saw your response when someone kindly did the legwork for you yesterday.

Your claim, your burden.

You have made a serious accusation. Back it up or retract it, like an adult would.

If you are referring to posts that I suspect you are then I see nothing homophobic in them whatsoever. So it is simply your opinion.

[Withano]

Pssst......I didn't throw the numbers around. The first time I saw that survey was when one of Winston's detractors on here posted it in order to show that 53% were for gay adoption.

But as you are rejecting the survey then we can reject the 53% and go back to the drawing board.

What people don't seem to have worked out is that Winston got more votes than nancy to stay. This witch hunt is confined to some leftists and media luvvies. The rest of us like Winston and realise his views aren't extreme in the slightest.

Yeh, you've thrown around your out of date numbers a lot, its important for you to understand that your argument means zero when you do this.
Your assumptions that Nancy got less votes than Winston isn't worth my time either, because although it is probably incorrect, it is something neither of us can prove.

Hm this whole post is a lot of nothing really.

[ThriceShy]

Yeh, you've thrown around your out of date numbers a lot, its important for you to understand that your argument means zero when you do this.
Your assumptions that Nancy got less votes than Winston isn't worth my time either, because although it is probably incorrect, it is something neither of us can prove.

Hm this whole post is a lot of nothing really.

The numbers were originally posted by someone on your side of the argument, in order to prove that 53% were for gay adoption.

It is so amusing to watch you dismiss them now.:joker:

[Withano]

The numbers were originally posted by someone on your side of the argument, in order to prove that 53% were for gay adoption.

It is so amusing to watch you dismiss them now.:joker:

Of course I'm dismissing those numbers, they've vastly improved in two years because of the historically significant moments that has happened in the LGBT community since then which you must have slept through.

[sampvt]

Are you lot now discussing Gay / straight issues now because the threads story seems to be non existent now.

[ThriceShy]

Of course I'm dismissing those numbers, they've vastly improved in two years because of the historically significant moments that has happened in the LGBT community since then which you must have slept through.


So what are new figures? And why did one of your lads use the 2013 figures?

You do realise that 2013 was like only a few years ago. What has changed since then?

[ThriceShy]

This is from 2014

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/lgbt-adoption-week-were-getting-there-but-almost-half-of-britain-still-needs-convincing-that-same-9173271.html

[Robodog]

What Winston said was stupid, but he said it outside the house!

If he had said it INSIDE the house then I can understand the reaction from HMs and the viewers.

But the fact he said it OUTSIDE the house and then for BB to bring it up on the show and for BB to milk it for maximum effect the way they did in that task was a malicious act from BB. They are stirring up hatred in the name of 'entertainment' yet again.

I disagree with Winston's views on gay adoption 100%.

I also disagree with BB's methods of DELIBERATELY sending in a HM, knowing the HM said something unpleasant in the past only to then DELIBERATELY drop the bomb on them inside the house.

Winston was stupid in what he said but it was his opinion which he is entitled to, like it or not.

BB have not been stupid, they have been quite nasty in the way they have dropped him in it like this, and quite distasteful in using his past comment (made away from the BB house) as a form of entertainment. It's pretty sick from BB.

Winston's opinion was distasteful. So is this self appointed 'trial by media' from BB for crucifying their selected HMs for comments they made separately from the show! It's appalling treatment from BB for their 'guests'.

[Denver]

BB planned to humiliate and Destroy Winston from day 1

[warrenhill]

Who really cares what Winston thinks its not going to make any difference...:nono:

There are plenty of haters of many things in this life...

[ThriceShy]

Who really cares what Winston thinks its not going to make any difference...:nono:

There are plenty of haters of many things in this life...

True. About 20 million people agree with Winston that gay adoption is wrong.

[jet]

BB planned to humiliate and Destroy Winston from day 1

He made his homophobia clear in his VT so he wanted his views known before going into the house. He probably wanted the publicity. He didn't look destroyed to me after the interview and BOTS, he looked just as pompous and arrogant as ever.

[Denver]

He made his homophobia clear in his VT so he wanted his views known before going into the house. He probably wanted the publicity. He didn't look destroyed to me after the interview and BOTS, he looked just as pompous and arrogant as ever.

BB had no right to bring his comments up and let it dictate his time in the house

[Robodog]

BB planned to humiliate and Destroy Winston from day 1

Totally.

When you analyse it, it's far more nasty than what Winston said.

Winston made a tasteless comment away from the house, expressing his personal opinion outside the BB house, it was a disagreeable view but it was nothing to do with the show.

BB have deliberately got him in there, (I bet they were all 'two-faced' nice to him behind the scenes, making him feel comfortable about being on the show, all the while luring him in like a lamb to the slaughter), then they dropped the comment bombshell on him in a task, and then fanned the flames of hatred in the name of entertainment. That's an awful, sneaky thing to do.

[jet]

BB had no right to bring his comments up and let it dictate his time in the house

Well they must have the right or they would be sued. :shrug:
Personally I don't care about a homophobe who used to run a pub which was closed down in a police raid for being a haven for arms and drug dealers. He gets no sympathy from me.

[Mystic Mock]

The thing that got me about the other Housemates was that they all kept repeating "I've got a gay friend" which comes off like they're pleading for the gay vote imo, because if I was in there I would've took the Danniella route and just said "I don't agree with your views so that's why I'm voting you out" as that's what true anti-homophobia people would say roundabouts I feel.

[chuff me dizzy]

He made his homophobia clear in his VT so he wanted his views known before going into the house. He probably wanted the publicity. He didn't look destroyed to me after the interview and BOTS, he looked just as pompous and arrogant as ever.

No,he made his OPINION clear BB outed him and used,abused him

[Robodog]

I bet everyone in that house has said or done things that could be seen as shocking, disgusting, immoral, wrong etc. Of course everyone in the world has said something that could be 'offensive' to someone else at some point in their lives, no one is a perfect crowd pleaser 100% of the time.

Should every other HM have their dark past thrown at them whilst inside the BB house or just Winston?

.

[chuff me dizzy]

The thing that got me about the other Housemates was that they all kept repeating "I've got a gay friend" which comes off like they're pleading for the gay vote imo, because if I was in there I would've took the Danniella route and just said "I don't agree with your views so that's why I'm voting you out" as that's what true anti-homophobia people would say roundabouts I feel.

Its pathetic, trying to make themselves look better people, esp this skank who snorted away all her earnings and her a Mother too

[warrenhill]

They needed a "fall guy" to get the action going and Winston fitted the bill..

He knew what he was getting into and got well paid for very little work ...

[jet]

No,he made his OPINION clear BB outed him and used,abused him

Well somebody had to. :smug:

[jet]

I bet everyone in that house has said or done things that could be seen as shocking, disgusting, immoral, wrong etc. Of course everyone in the world has said something that could be 'offensive' to someone else at some point in their lives, no one is a perfect crowd pleaser 100% of the time.

Should every other HM have their dark past thrown at them whilst inside the BB house or just Winston?

.

If they spout their disgusting views on their promo VT's then it's open day.

[chuff me dizzy]

Well somebody had to. :smug:

No they didnt have to ,they chose to ,big difference

[jet]

Its pathetic, trying to make themselves look better people, esp this skank who snorted away all her earnings and her a Mother too

Funny how you are dissing Danniella for snorting yet sympathizing with a man who owned a pub which got closed for being a hotbed for drug dealing...

[chuff me dizzy]

Funny how you are dissing Danniella for snorting yet sympathizing with a man who owned a pub which got closed for being a hotbed for drug dealing...

Danni is a mother, a mother protects her children the money she snorted could have given her children a better life, she chose to snort it instead a very selfish act

[Kazanne]

Well they must have the right or they would be sued. :shrug:
Personally I don't care about a homophobe who used to run a pub which was closed down in a police raid for being a haven for arms and drug dealers. He gets no sympathy from me.

I think I asked you once,have you got a link to that fact,maybe you answered an I missed it ?

[jet]

Danni is a mother, a mother protects her children the money she snorted could have given her children a better life, she chose to snort it instead a very selfish act

She isn't snorting it now, she rectified her mistakes, but Winston's still an unrepentant homophobe.

[Robodog]

If they spout their disgusting views on their promo VT's then it's open day.

What about comments made OUTSIDE the house? Every HM in there has darkness in their past. Should all this year's HMs have their dark pasts thrown at them whilst inside the house or just Winston?

[chuff me dizzy]

I think I asked you once,have you got a link to that fact,maybe you answered an I missed it ?

I must have missed it too :conf: ,but no worries Im sure it will be posted now

[Glenn.]

BB planned to humiliate and Destroy Winston from day 1
And rightly so. He had his chance to defend his out of date views but embraced them instead. He threw himself under the bus just as much as BB

[chuff me dizzy]

She isn't snorting it now, she rectified her mistakes, but Winston's still an unrepentant homophobe.

In your opinion ,and the damage will be already done with Danis children

[chuff me dizzy]

And rightly so. He had his chance to defend his out of date views but embraced them instead. He threw himself under the bus just as much as BB

His choice, his mind,his opinion

[Glenn.]

His choice, his mind,his opinion

And all of them out of date and discriminatory

[Kazanne]

I must have missed it too :conf: ,but no worries Im sure it will be posted now

Well it's always nice to get the source of a story, afterall we know what Chinese Whispers causes.

[Denver]

And rightly so. He had his chance to defend his out of date views but embraced them instead. He threw himself under the bus just as much as BB

I feel the only reason they told them is because he wasn't homophobic in the house like they wished

[jet]

I think I asked you once,have you got a link to that fact,maybe you answered an I missed it ?

I posted the link immediately after you asked. :dog:

[chuff me dizzy]

I posted the link immediately after you asked. :dog:

Can you post it again please, we must have blinked and missed it ...thanks

[chuff me dizzy]

And all of them out of date and discriminatory

In your opinion

[Kazanne]

I posted the link immediately after you asked. :dog:

OK,can you post it again,I missed it and cant be arsed to trawl through threads,forgot what thread it was anyway:laugh:

[Glenn.]

I feel the only reason they told them is because he wasn't homophobic in the house like they wished

He didn't defend his homophobic comments in the house though. BB is all for entertainment, and Winston delivered. The thing is he made himself look like a twat.

[Vicky.]

The thing that got me about the other Housemates was that they all kept repeating "I've got a gay friend" which comes off like they're pleading for the gay vote imo, because if I was in there I would've took the Danniella route and just said "I don't agree with your views so that's why I'm voting you out" as that's what true anti-homophobia people would say roundabouts I feel.

Tbf mock, the massive majority of people do actually have a gay friend or 20. My going out group is made up of mostly gay blokes tbh :joker:

[Glenn.]

In your opinion

I'm right then?

[jet]

Can you post it again please, we must have blinked and missed it ...thanks

It wasn't in this thread, it was earlier. Kazanne will find it.

[chuff me dizzy]

I'm right then?

No lovely, you wish you were right

[Glenn.]

No lovely, you wish you were right

So I can't challenge Winstons opinions but you can throw mine out of the window? Makes sense :thumbs:

[jet]

OK,can you post it again,I missed it and cant be arsed to trawl through threads,forgot what thread it was anyway:laugh:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winston_McKenzie

[Denver]

He didn't defend his homophobic comments in the house though. BB is all for entertainment, and Winston delivered. The thing is he made himself look like a twat.

It's just 6 of one and half a dozen of the other

Many parties were to be blamed for what happened when it could have been avoided to start of with by not putting him in

[Glenn.]

It's just 6 of one and half a dozen of the other

Many parties were to be blamed for what happened when it could have been avoided to start of with by not putting him in
Could have also been avoided by him admitting his words were out of touch with the society he wishes to represent.

[Tom4784]

In your opinion

Well yes, that's fairly obvious and it should go without saying surely...

[Kazanne]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winston_McKenzie

Thanks for that,he does seem an unsavoury sort :laugh: but to be fair it wasn't just him,but anyway I am no Winston fan,never was ,but I do think he was treated very badly by BB,he was there for ratings,BB knew exactly what they were getting ,and if you found out stuff about him,I am sure they did.

[Mystic Mock]

Tbf mock, the massive majority of people do actually have a gay friend or 20. My going out group is made up of mostly gay blokes tbh :joker:

But if a stranger asked you "who are they to you?" I think that you would just say that they're your friend as you wouldn't be thinking about their sexuality.

[Kizzy]

What Winston said was stupid, but he said it outside the house!

If he had said it INSIDE the house then I can understand the reaction from HMs and the viewers.

But the fact he said it OUTSIDE the house and then for BB to bring it up on the show and for BB to milk it for maximum effect the way they did in that task was a malicious act from BB. They are stirring up hatred in the name of 'entertainment' yet again.

I disagree with Winston's views on gay adoption 100%.

I also disagree with BB's methods of DELIBERATELY sending in a HM, knowing the HM said something unpleasant in the past only to then DELIBERATELY drop the bomb on them inside the house.

Winston was stupid in what he said but it was his opinion which he is entitled to, like it or not.

BB have not been stupid, they have been quite nasty in the way they have dropped him in it like this, and quite distasteful in using his past comment (made away from the BB house) as a form of entertainment. It's pretty sick from BB.

Winston's opinion was distasteful. So is this self appointed 'trial by media' from BB for crucifying their selected HMs for comments they made separately from the show! It's appalling treatment from BB for their 'guests'.

Shame they didn't do this with Jim Davidson :idc:

[jet]

Thanks for that,he does seem an unsavoury sort :laugh: but to be fair it wasn't just him,but anyway I am no Winston fan,never was ,but I do think he was treated very badly by BB,he was there for ratings,BB knew exactly what they were getting ,and if you found out stuff about him,I am sure they did.

Why would anyone care. He's scum.

[Withano]

So what are new figures? And why did one of your lads use the 2013 figures?

You do realise that 2013 was like only a few years ago. What has changed since then?

I wrote down the figures in a post which was in reply to one of yours, you quoted that post. I had a feeling you didn't really read through the posts though as your posts have less and less relevance each time you try and hold an argument lol. And a **** load has changed, around the world, not just in the UK. Laws have improved at least a little bit in nearly every country as this reflects the populations evolving views which you, Winston and many other people who were raised around ignorance do not share. Oh well, nice chat even if it was less than half-heartened on your part.

[Beso]

Well they must have the right or they would be sued. :shrug:
Personally I don't care about a homophobe who used to run a pub which was closed down in a police raid for being a haven for arms and drug dealers. He gets no sympathy from me.

he took over a pub that had a history of this. he can't be blamed for what the police find in the pockets of his customers. for all you know he could have called them in himself!

[jet]

he took over a pub that had a history of this. he can't be blamed for what the police find in the pockets of his customers. for all you know he could have called them in himself!

Yes, and the pub was raided and closed for arms and drug dealing several years after he took it over. But of course Winston wouldn't have known a thing about it. He's an innocent lamb. I forgot about that.

[empire]

it seems that the rest of the house is to scared, to say there real opinions, because it will be put on ofcom, the PC root has ruined, big brother for some years now, from day one, they have had a big chip on there shoulders, because winston, was part of ukip, and they needed to get him to say something that did not go there way,I did not like how the housemates and the public where trying too enforce him to agree on gays having children, he only said his opinion, but did not want anyone to agree or not agree with it, intruth he was not enforcing anyone to agree with him, back in 2005, the behaviour craig put towards anthony was out of the line, but big brother turned a blind eye to it, because they did not want to upset a part of society who thought that craig had the right to do this to anthony, it seems that big brother wants to put a group of people who agree in the same things, to me that seems fake and boring, society does not work like that.

[Beso]

Yes, and the pub was raided and closed for arms and drug dealing several years after he took it over. But of course Winston wouldn't have known a thing about it. He's an innocent lamb. I forgot about that.

i doubt he even had the time to give the place a 2nd thought with his other careers on the go. blame his brothers .

[jet]

i doubt he even had the time to give the place a 2nd thought with his other careers on the go. blame his brothers .

Yeah, blame his brothers. Blame his mother. Blame his father. Blame the weather. But for goodness sake don't blame poor Winston. :laugh:

[Beso]

Yeah, blame his brothers. Blame his mother. Blame his father. Blame the weather. But for goodness sake don't blame poor Winston. :laugh:

:sleep:

[jet]

:sleep:

Wake up, you're snoring. :laugh:

[Beso]

Wake up, you're snoring. :laugh:

cause your reaching is boring.

[Ammi]

..this thread..:laugh:...(maybe..) he knew this was going to happen or something similar and agreed to it when he took the fee/signed the contract to go in...he doesn't really seem to care about anything negative against him, he's had that through his political career and it's brought him attention, hasn't it and this would just give him more...no publicity is bad publicity as they say...he's still being talked about as much as any other housemate still in there and he has his lovely fee/the attention so I doubt that he's phased by any of it...

[jet]

..this thread..:laugh:...(maybe..) he knew this was going to happen or something similar and agreed to it when he took the fee/signed the contract to go in...he doesn't really seem to care about anything negative against him, he's had that through his political career and it's brought him attention, hasn't it and this would just give him more...no publicity is bad publicity as they say...he's still being talked about as much as any other housemate still in there and he has his lovely fee/the attention so I doubt that he's phased by any of it...

I totally agree and have been saying similar. He doesn't look in the least 'destroyed' as he is being portrayed but as arrogant and pompous as ever. He loves controversy surrounding himself (didn't everyone notice?). BB got publicity, Winston got publicity plus a fat fee for a few days work and the jobs done.

[Mystic Mock]

it seems that the rest of the house is to scared, to say there real opinions, because it will be put on ofcom, the PC root has ruined, big brother for some years now, from day one, they have had a big chip on there shoulders, because winston, was part of ukip, and they needed to get him to say something that did not go there way,I did not like how the housemates and the public where trying too enforce him to agree on gays having children, he only said his opinion, but did not want anyone to agree or not agree with it, intruth he was not enforcing anyone to agree with him, back in 2005, the behaviour craig put towards anthony was out of the line, but big brother turned a blind eye to it, because they did not want to upset a part of society who thought that craig had the right to do this to anthony, it seems that big brother wants to put a group of people who agree in the same things, to me that seems fake and boring, society does not work like that.

I'm fed up of the PC word being thrown about whenever anybody gets offended at something someone says.

Isn't it PC to want to stop people from getting offended at truly awful behaviour? Of course PC exists and it has it's good points and it's silly points, but overall it does more good than bad as it stops people from going outside to abuse by prejudiced twats that deserve to drop off to the Bermuda Triangle.

I really just don't approve of "oh that's PC" when someone is justifiably offended at Winston's comments, yes his allowed to say his opinions, but people are also allowed to be offended at his comments, that's true free speech, not this back in the old days attitude of "I can say something prejudiced but those loonie lefties can't say a thing to defend the minorities otherwise we'll do something extreme to them" type of attitude.

On a side note they kept Craig around to humiliate him for our entertainment, and tbf I did find it entertaining, however I do also feel that he should've been removed for his own good.

[Alf]

How about they all respect his religious beliefs like we're forced to with religions that are not Christian?

We all know the answer, the PC World doesn't have the same equality for Christianity.

Not just hypocrits but the enemy of the Western democratic World (That's how serious Political Correctness is)


Emma should be sacked on the spot for that interview. Who is she to tell Winston whats right and wrong and dictate what he says?


And then Rylan at the end of interviewing Winston Said "I'm proud to be a gay man" and got a big cheer and clap for that (which says it all) Winston wouldn't have got a cheer and clap if he'd have said he was proud to be a straight man or proud of his Christian beliefs, he would have likely been booed for that.


Being gay doesn't make you a better person no matter what the looney liberal media influences to think it is.

[chuff me dizzy]

Shame they didn't do this with Jim Davidson :idc:

:clap1:

[ThriceShy]

How about they all respect his religious beliefs like we're forced to with religions that are not Christian?

We all know the answer, the PC World doesn't have the same equality for Christianity.

Not just hypocrits but the enemy of the Western democratic World (That's how serious Political Correctness is)


Emma should be sacked on the spot for that interview. Who is she to tell Winston whats right and wrong and dictate what he says?


And then Rylan at the end of interviewing Winston Said "I'm proud to be a gay man" and got a big cheer and clap for that (which says it all) Winston wouldn't have got a cheer and clap if he'd have said he was proud to be a straight man or proud of his Christian beliefs, he would have likely been booed for that.


Being gay doesn't make you a better person no matter what the looney liberal media influences to think it is.


Best post on this topic.

You are absolutely right. People can't be proud to be straight. Imagine if we had a straight pride march. Probably get arrested.

Winston is a Christian man in a Christian country and nobody has the right to tell him he shouldn't be allowed his views.

[Kazanne]

How about they all respect his religious beliefs like we're forced to with religions that are not Christian?

We all know the answer, the PC World doesn't have the same equality for Christianity.

Not just hypocrits but the enemy of the Western democratic World (That's how serious Political Correctness is)


Emma should be sacked on the spot for that interview. Who is she to tell Winston whats right and wrong and dictate what he says?


And then Rylan at the end of interviewing Winston Said "I'm proud to be a gay man" and got a big cheer and clap for that (which says it all) Winston wouldn't have got a cheer and clap if he'd have said he was proud to be a straight man or proud of his Christian beliefs, he would have likely been booed for that.


Being gay doesn't make you a better person no matter what the looney liberal media influences to think it is.

I read something online that had the line 'PC is more dangerous than any Isis cult', I had to stop and think about that,and I can see how that conclusion was reached,I wish I had kept the article now, I do think none of us have the right to tell others what to think or say, whatever religious or persuasion we are .

[Glenn.]

Best post on this topic.

You are absolutely right. People can't be proud to be straight. Imagine if we had a straight pride march. Probably get arrested.

Winston is a Christian man in a Christian country and nobody has the right to tell him he shouldn't be allowed his views.

They have every right to challenge his views if they discriminate though :thumbs:

[ThriceShy]

They have every right to challenge his views if they discriminate though :thumbs:

His views are as valid as theirs. Are you claiming some opinions are more valid than others? Who gets to decide that? You?

[Glenn.]

His views are as valid as theirs. Are you claiming some opinions are more valid than others? Who gets to decide that? You?

If an opinion or view discriminates against people then yes. No one has the right to be derogatory to a minority. The sooner you realise that the better to be honest.

[jet]

How about they all respect his religious beliefs like we're forced to with religions that are not Christian?

We all know the answer, the PC World doesn't have the same equality for Christianity.

Not just hypocrits but the enemy of the Western democratic World (That's how serious Political Correctness is)


Emma should be sacked on the spot for that interview. Who is she to tell Winston whats right and wrong and dictate what he says?


And then Rylan at the end of interviewing Winston Said "I'm proud to be a gay man" and got a big cheer and clap for that (which says it all) Winston wouldn't have got a cheer and clap if he'd have said he was proud to be a straight man or proud of his Christian beliefs, he would have likely been booed for that.


Being gay doesn't make you a better person no matter what the looney liberal media influences to think it is.

The problem for me is that people pick and choose which religious beliefs to have, when really all they are doing is justifying their own prejudices.

How often do you hear Christians going on about all the other things forbidden in the Bible eg
Adultery
Working on the Sabbath
Lying
Stealing
Eating food containing fat or blood
Maturbation
Pre Marital sex
Sleeping with a woman who is mentruating
Divorce (Mark 10:11–12:
“Whosoever putteth away his wife, and marrieth another, committeth adultery: and whosoever marrieth her that is put away from her husband committeth adultery.)
1 Corinthians 7:10–11
“To the married I give this charge (not I, but the Lord): the wife should not separate from her husband (but if she does, she should remain unmarried or else be reconciled to her husband), and the husband should not divorce his wife.”
A woman speaking in church
1 Corinthians 14:34
“Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.”

Or for that matter, eating leavened bread, getting tattoos or wearing clothes of two materials. All these, and hundreds of other things are forbidden in the Bible, and they are nowadays cast aside to suit the individuals own purposes.

If someone is adamant that they are against homosexuality purely for religious reasons and only heeding the word of God, then they should actually read their Bibles properly and stop committing sins right left and centre and then condemning others for their 'sins'.

[Niamh.]

The homosexual sin seems to be the one all these Christians like to latch on to most of all for some reason

[ThriceShy]

If an opinion or view discriminates against people then yes. No one has the right to be derogatory to a minority. The sooner you realise that the better to be honest.

Says who? Is there a law that says this?

You realise that 20 million people are against gay adoption. Are they all not entitled to that view?

[Glenn.]

Says who? Is there a law that says this?

You realise that 20 million people are against gay adoption. Are they all not entitled to that view?

Says part of the minority that gets discriminated against by the likes of you and Winston and the 20 million morons who are the same.

There isn't any way you can talk Winston or yourself out of having these extremely Jurassic views.

[ThriceShy]

Says part of the minority that gets discriminated against by the likes of you and Winston and the 20 million morons who are the same.

There isn't any way you can talk Winston or yourself out of having these extremely Jurassic views.

But those 20 million are a minority. By your own rules you mustn't say anything derogatory about them.

[Livia]

Says who? Is there a law that says this?

You realise that 20 million people are against gay adoption. Are they all not entitled to that view?

Since you ask...

Article 10 of the European Convention on Human Rights states:

Freedom of expression
1. Everyone has the right to freedom of expression. This right shall include freedom to hold opinions and to receive and impart information and ideas without interference by public authority and regardless of frontiers. This article shall not prevent States from requiring the licensing of broadcasting, television or cinema enterprises.

2. The exercise of these freedoms, since it carries with it duties and responsibilities, may be subject to such formalities, conditions, restrictions or penalties as are prescribed by law and are necessary in a democratic society, in the interests of national security, territorial integrity or public safety, for the prevention of disorder or crime, for the protection of health or morals, for the protection of the reputation or rights of others, for preventing the disclosure of information received in confidence, or for maintaining the authority and impartiality of the judiciary.

Winston's opinion that gay adoption is tantamount to child abuse clearly breaches the part I've highlighted above. No one's stopping him having his opinion, but voicing it on TV is quite another thing.

[Glenn.]

But those 20 million are a minority. By your own rules you mustn't say anything derogatory about them.

Twist and turn it however you want. You know I'm right otherwise you wouldn't be dissecting and twisting everything I say to suit your agenda. All I know is that there are 20 million homophobic morons that need to love themselves and stop worrying they are going to catch gay.

[Beso]

why do gay couples go through more stringent testing for adoption than straight couples?

[Glenn.]

why do gay couples go through more stringent testing for adoption than straight couples?

Are you trying to make some kind of point to this?

[Beso]

Are you trying to make some kind of point to this?

no, i really want to know.:conf:

[Glenn.]

Since you ask...

Article 10 of the European Convention on Human Rights states:

Freedom of expression
1. Everyone has the right to freedom of expression. This right shall include freedom to hold opinions and to receive and impart information and ideas without interference by public authority and regardless of frontiers. This article shall not prevent States from requiring the licensing of broadcasting, television or cinema enterprises.

2. The exercise of these freedoms, since it carries with it duties and responsibilities, may be subject to such formalities, conditions, restrictions or penalties as are prescribed by law and are necessary in a democratic society, in the interests of national security, territorial integrity or public safety, for the prevention of disorder or crime, for the protection of health or morals, for the protection of the reputation or rights of others, for preventing the disclosure of information received in confidence, or for maintaining the authority and impartiality of the judiciary.

Winston's opinion that gay adoption is tantamount to child abuse clearly breaches the part I've highlighted above. No one's stopping him having his opinion, but voicing it on TV is quite another thing.

I think this is one of the greatest posts I have ever laid my gay eyes on

[Livia]

I think this is one of the greatest posts I have ever laid my gay eyes on

Wait till you get the bill...

[Glenn.]

Wait till you get the bill...

I hope it comes with complimentary anal beads

[sampvt]

Ive just finished writing a reasonably understandable and neutral view to this thread then I thought, why ???? its only gonna get slated so f..k it, lm gonna let you all tear each others eyes out over nothing.

[Livia]

I hope it comes with complimentary anal beads

LOL... not usually, but for you... okay.

[Glenn.]

LOL... not usually, but for you... okay.

Thank you. Hot pink ones please

[Glenn.]

XXL

[Beso]

can someone in the know answer my question please.

[Glenn.]

That info is just from the US

[Glenn.]

I don't know what just happened there

[Glenn.]

As far as I'm aware the only limitation adoption agency's have with same sex adoption is the limitation of the states laws. That's just America though. I don't know whether there is any info on UK

[Glenn.]

'Almost 40% of all agencies and 83% of public agencies reported making at least one adoption placement with a lesbian or gay man. However, one-third of agencies would reject a gay or lesbian applicant, either because of the religious beliefs guiding the agency, a state law prohibiting placement with LGBT parents, or a policy of placing children only with married couples. Additionally, agency heads are more likely to have negative views towards gays and lesbians adopting when they associate such adoptions with greater evaluation and support needs. As a gay friendly agency, we were appalled to hear such discrimination'

[AnnieK]

I don't think there is a more stringent process for same sex couples in the UK.

[Glenn.]

There's also this

An estimated two million LGBT people are interested in adopting.

An estimated 65,500 adopted children are living with a lesbian or gay parent.

More than 16,000 adopted children are living with lesbian and gay parents in California, the highest number in the U.S.

Gay and lesbian parents are raising four percent of all adopted children in the United States.

Adopted children with same-sex parents are younger and more likely to be foreign born.

There were an estimated 300,000 to 500,000 gay and lesbian biological parents in 1976. In 1990, an estimated 6 to 14 million children have gay or lesbian parents.

Research suggests that sexual identities (including gender identity, gender-role behavior, and sexual orientation) develop in much the same ways among children of lesbian mothers as they do among children of heterosexual parents.

There is no reliable evidence that homosexual orientation, per se, impairs psychological functioning. Second, beliefs that lesbian and gay adults are not fit parents have no empirical foundation.

There is no conclusive evidence that homosexuality is linked to one's environment. In other words, growing up in a gay couple household will not "make" a child gay.

Most children in the United States do not live with two married parents. In fact, according to the 2000 census, only 24% of homes were composed of a married mother and father with children living at home.

Studies have shown that children are more influenced by their interactions with their parents, than by their sexual orientation.

States and regions which explicitly allow for adoption by same-sex couples include California, Connecticut, Washington D.C., Illinois, Indiana, Maine, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New York, Oregon and Vermont.
In states allowing gay individuals to adopt, Colorado, Ohio, Nebraska and Wisconsin have laws preventing second-parent adoptions.

[Dash Darington]

Pleasantly surprised by some of the reaction here. The propaganda tactics have been ramped up this time around.

Emma's behaviour is exactly what the producers wanted her to do. She would never shout down a guest unless she was coached to do that. Her job is to act as the producers' mouthpiece, after all. If the point of this is lost on anyone, the goal is to publicly degrade anyone who expresses views that the propagandists deem forbidden. The message to the audience is that if you express similar views, you can expect to be degraded or harmed. What you're watching is psy-ops designed to suppress dissent. It's about controlling the public, not Winston as an individual.

[Beso]

I don't think there is a more stringent process for same sex couples in the UK.

someone said there was or that they get treated differently.

[Beso]

There's also this

An estimated two million LGBT people are interested in adopting.

An estimated 65,500 adopted children are living with a lesbian or gay parent.

More than 16,000 adopted children are living with lesbian and gay parents in California, the highest number in the U.S.

Gay and lesbian parents are raising four percent of all adopted children in the United States.

Adopted children with same-sex parents are younger and more likely to be foreign born.

There were an estimated 300,000 to 500,000 gay and lesbian biological parents in 1976. In 1990, an estimated 6 to 14 million children have gay or lesbian parents.

Research suggests that sexual identities (including gender identity, gender-role behavior, and sexual orientation) develop in much the same ways among children of lesbian mothers as they do among children of heterosexual parents.

There is no reliable evidence that homosexual orientation, per se, impairs psychological functioning. Second, beliefs that lesbian and gay adults are not fit parents have no empirical foundation.

There is no conclusive evidence that homosexuality is linked to one's environment. In other words, growing up in a gay couple household will not "make" a child gay.

Most children in the United States do not live with two married parents. In fact, according to the 2000 census, only 24% of homes were composed of a married mother and father with children living at home.

Studies have shown that children are more influenced by their interactions with their parents, than by their sexual orientation.

States and regions which explicitly allow for adoption by same-sex couples include California, Connecticut, Washington D.C., Illinois, Indiana, Maine, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New York, Oregon and Vermont.
In states allowing gay individuals to adopt, Colorado, Ohio, Nebraska and Wisconsin have laws preventing second-parent adoptions.

ukinfo please:blush:

[Glenn.]

ukinfo please:blush:

Just use google

[Livia]

why do gay couples go through more stringent testing for adoption than straight couples?

Why do you think they do? The adoption process is stringent for all couples. If one group of potential adoptive parents are treated differently simply because of their sexual orientation that would be against the Sexual Orientation Regulations 2007. Although Catholic adoption agencies have been exempt from the Sexual Orientation Regulations since 2010.

[Beso]

Why do you think they do? The adoption process is stringent for all couples. If one group of potential adoptive parents are treated differently simply because of their sexual orientation that would be against the Sexual Orientation Regulations 2007. Although Catholic adoption agencies have been exempt from the Sexual Orientation Regulations since 2010.
http://www.pinkparents.org.uk/same-sex-adoption-in-the-uk.html

[Livia]

http://www.pinkparents.org.uk/same-sex-adoption-in-the-uk.html

The operative part of that page for me is this: "Several factors will be considered before you will be considered as a potential adopter besides the above mentioned requirements [you must be 21+, a UK resident and have no convictions] including your age, health, financial situation, religion, ethnic background, children in your family, etc.. If you are in a relationship, you can apply for adoption as a single parent but you may also apply together with your partner for joint legal parenting."

The suggestion that "many gay and lesbian singles and couples who would like to adopt a child in the UK report that they are not treated the same as heterosexual applicants" is hearsay unless we know who they are. Anecdotal evidence is worthless. If people are being treated differently on the grounds of their sexual orientation I'm shocked there isn't a queue of lawyers jostling each other to take a case which is so clear cut.

[Beso]

The operative part of that page for me is this: "Several factors will be considered before you will be considered as a potential adopter besides the above mentioned requirements [you must be 21+, a UK resident and have no convictions] including your age, health, financial situation, religion, ethnic background, children in your family, etc.. If you are in a relationship, you can apply for adoption as a single parent but you may also apply together with your partner for joint legal parenting."

The suggestion that "many gay and lesbian singles and couples who would like to adopt a child in the UK report that they are not treated the same as heterosexual applicants" is hearsay unless we know who they are. Anecdotal evidence is worthless. If people are being treated differently on the grounds of their sexual orientation I'm shocked there isn't a queue of lawyers jostling each other to take a case which is so clear cut.

You would think so but i found a daily mail artical about two blokes who were refused on three occasions because their house was to small( a three bed semi),not enough toys in the house and because they didnt know enough about other minority cultures..pretty weird.

[Edna Mode]

Why isn't it okay to hold resentment for Winston for being such a bigot?

His views were horrid and offensive. There were two gay people in the house.


The thing is, expressing a view about gay people and stating that it's "just your opinion" is messed up in its own right because an opinion is something you should hold for a book you read or a restaurant you went to, not a subset of the population.
That takes your "opinion" and molds it into a judgement.
Everyone's entitled to their own "opinions," but that doesn't mean that "opinion" has to be respected, especially when it's ignorant and hateful.

[Crimson Dynamo]

how many gay folk adopt anyway it must be the tiniest figure ever?

talk about fighting the wrong battles winston

[Livia]

You would think so but i found a daily mail artical about two blokes who were refused on three occasions because their house was to small( a three bed semi),not enough toys in the house and because they didnt know enough about other minority cultures..pretty weird.

An article in the Daily Mail gives only their side of the story. They should have maybe spoken to a lawyer first. The fact is that lots of straight couples get turned down for all kinds of reasons.

[chuff me dizzy]

:bored:

[Beso]

An article in the Daily Mail gives only their side of the story. They should have maybe spoken to a lawyer first. The fact is that lots of straight couples get turned down for all kinds of reasons.

:douf:

[Glenn.]

Why isn't it okay to hold resentment for Winston for being such a bigot?

His views were horrid and offensive. There were two gay people in the house.


The thing is, expressing a view about gay people and stating that it's "just your opinion" is messed up in its own right because an opinion is something you should hold for a book you read or a restaurant you went to, not a subset of the population.
That takes your "opinion" and molds it into a judgement.
Everyone's entitled to their own "opinions," but that doesn't mean that "opinion" has to be respected, especially when it's ignorant and hateful.

Edna you are a star :love:

[ThriceShy]

Pleasantly surprised by some of the reaction here. The propaganda tactics have been ramped up this time around.

Emma's behaviour is exactly what the producers wanted her to do. She would never shout down a guest unless she was coached to do that. Her job is to act as the producers' mouthpiece, after all. If the point of this is lost on anyone, the goal is to publicly degrade anyone who expresses views that the propagandists deem forbidden. The message to the audience is that if you express similar views, you can expect to be degraded or harmed. What you're watching is psy-ops designed to suppress dissent. It's about controlling the public, not Winston as an individual.

Precisely this.


And we have noticed that this took place in Big Brother with a person called Winston, just like the character in the book 1984.

Their destruction of the family and traditional society is almost complete and the sheep are going into it like lambs to the slaughter.

[ThriceShy]

Twist and turn it however you want. You know I'm right otherwise you wouldn't be dissecting and twisting everything I say to suit your agenda. All I know is that there are 20 million homophobic morons that need to love themselves and stop worrying they are going to catch gay.

Well that's me convinced.:joker:

The problem you have is that those 20 million people are thinking "All I know is there are 40 million leftist morons that want to destroy traditional values in the UK"

Neither is "right". It is an opinion.

What is really childish is getting angry and abusive just because someone dare disagree with you.

[ThriceShy]

why do gay couples go through more stringent testing for adoption than straight couples?

Because they are being horribly oppressed by those dreadful homophobic authorities?:laugh:

[wendywillow]

is this thread still going on? y'all are never going to agree

[Glenn.]

Well that's me convinced.:joker:

The problem you have is that those 20 million people are thinking "All I know is there are 40 million leftist morons that want to destroy traditional values in the UK"

Neither is "right". It is an opinion.

What is really childish is getting angry and abusive just because someone dare disagree with you.

You insult me by agreeing with homophobes. Well you insult me by being a homophobe by your own agreement of homophobic views. You insult me further by not accepting that the views Winston and yourself hold are disgusting and wrong.

By your own logic, the atrocities that Hitler bestowed on thousands of innocent Jews is right because it was his opinion that they needed to be eradicated.

[ThriceShy]

You insult me by agreeing with homophobes. Well you insult me by being a homophobe by your own agreement of homophobic views. You insult me further by not accepting that the views Winston and yourself hold are disgusting and wrong.

By your own logic, the atrocities that Hitler bestowed on thousands of innocent Jews is right because it was his opinion that they needed to be eradicated.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_Law


:joker:


Have a read back of your post. You are comparing an ex boxer claiming that gay adoption is wrong to a deranged dictator killing 6 million people.

Have a word with yourself fgs.:laugh: