Okay, but can you blame Tiff for thinking that?

[Edna Mode]

Angie comes in in a flurry of tears, David is already sick, she just says David, not David Bowie.

Obviously Tiff and Bowie weren't on a first name basis.

Of course, it took place during a moment of grief, which made things get jumbled up, but it's so effing rude of the house to turn on Tiff for misunderstanding because, chances are, they would've thought the same thing.

[Vicky.]

Completely understand how the misunderstanding happened. Now thats a strange sentence

The house completely overreacted.

[Lostie!]

They didn't turn on her for that, did they? That happened after she flipped out later.

[Tarryn]

Only Angie & Tiffany knew what went on. The likes on Danniella & John got really angry but was not even there.
I think Tiffany was in the wrong for saying Angie said Gest & not Ex-Husband & for not hearing others trying to tell her what was going on.
It was a mess from start to finish.

[Pete.]

It's all a huge misunderstanding

[Josy]

No it was an easy mistake.

They didn't turn on her for that, did they? That happened after she flipped out later.

Well yes some of them did

[rusticgal]

Agree...the whole scenario between Angie and Tiff was totally understandable on both sides and the two of them eventually hugged it out and saw it as it was.
John Daniella and Kristina...maybe now they should apologise...but they won't because Pack mentality has set in.

[Withano]

It was a complete (hilarious) misunderstanding on both of their parts

[Tom4784]

The misunderstanding was innocent but Tiff was an idiot for reacting how she did when everything was explained to her. John's to blame for everything else though.

[GiRTh]

Tiffany did make a comment that she saw in her contract there was clause regarding no outside contact so when Angie said David had died her assumption was quite understandable.

[Cal.]

They didn't turn on her for that, did they? That happened after she flipped out later.

Lots of them said they didn't feel safe/didn't want to be there with her before she even 'flipped out'/refused to apologize.

[EspeonBB]

The whole thing between Angie/Tiffany was a complete misunderstanding and neither are to 'blame'. Although Tiffany is to blame for the OTT way she acted afterwards, but I don't hold it against her that much since her and Angie have apologized to each other.

[Edna Mode]

I cannot wait for Tiff to go full New York on one of them. :hehe:
I'd love to watch her bitch out Gollum--sorry, I mean John.

[Slevin]

Angie didnt say David Gest like Tiffany was claiming. she just made an assumption. at least Christopher had the common sense to ask "David, David" as in Gest. Angie made a mistake by not saying Bowie but ****ing hell Tiffany acting like a loon and overreacted big time. at least they worked it out between themselves and admitted their mistake and made amends later though.

[Ammi]

They didn't turn on her for that, did they? That happened after she flipped out later.

..I think that it took her time to absorb as well because it was a house full of confusion...I mean, Angie's reactions were delayed also..her initial reaction..(or so was shown..)..was that David was a part of her past/she hadn't spoken to him for so long etc, so she'd stay...the realisation/her grief etc didn't come out straight away..and ok, maybe not the same thing and exactly comparable but Tiff for a period of time...(not sure f the timeline of the edit..) had genuinely thought that one of her fellow housemates had died...I personally think that her understanding would have come much ore quickly and with that, her condolences to Angie, if she had not seen a whole house around Angie in comfort and herself feeling isolated...(not only isolated but being cast out as an evil person..)...for something she had genuinely misunderstood and had done nothing wrong in assuming it was David Guest and her shock/reactions to that...

[lostalex]

David Bowie hasn't been in the cultural zeitgeist for a very long time. There is a david in the house. if someone just said, name a famous David i probably would have said letterman. I honestly think Tiffany(new york) was being genuine in her reaction.

I thought it was odd that Angie still assumes whenever she said "david" everyone thinks Bowie.

[Ammi]

David Bowie hasn't been in the cultural zeitgeist for a very long time. There is a david in the house. if someone just said, name a famous David i probably would have said letterman. I honestly think Tiffany(new york) was being genuine in her reaction.

I thought it was odd that Angie still assumes whenever she said "david" everyone thinks Bowie.

..well there again he's the biggest David in her life/Angie's and with the shock news I think she would just have spoken like she was speaking to people around her at the time in the outside world, who would have immediately thought David Bowie..?..so just a genuine misunderstanding and not having any thought of their being another David in the house at that moment she told Tiffany...

[lostalex]

Imagine if Tiffany had a different reaction, she thought david guest was dead, and then she offered to help Angie bury the body...

It really was like Angie told Tiffany that she had killed David "don't tell anyone!! please!"

could someone get away with murder in the Big Brother house? (definitely not if you told tiffany)

[Ammi]

Imagine if Tiffany had a different reaction, she thought david guest was dead, and then she offered to help Angie bury the body...

It really was like Angie told Tiffany that she had killed David "don't tell anyone!! please!"

could someone get away with murder in the Big Brother house? (definitely not if you told tiffany)



..there was a funny side of it all...all of the screaming etc...and David frozen to his duvet hearing it all and thinking that he was dead and having an out of body experience....jeez, so this is what it feels like to die...:laugh:..(is it bad to laugh..)....

[Ammi]

..or like when you hear about people not actually being dead but being buried because they were thought to be..?..and David trying to scream...I'M NOT DEAD but being frozen with fear so couldn't and thinking, jeez they're going to bury me....CALL MY AGENT RIGHT NOW, BLOODY BRITS....

[kirklancaster]

First: Thank you Angie and Tiffany (and some of the others) for the most gut-achingly hilarious incident in CBB history.

This series was advertised as having a Vaudevillian theme which has not until now been the case, but, oh brother, was it worth waiting for - a comic farce worthy of the great Ben Travers. I was crying with laughter, and it could not have played out better had it all been scripted. And here's how the Fates combined to bring us TV Gold:

1. One of the Golden Rules of BB, is that ALL HM's shall be totally
isolated from outside news and events.

2. Despite the above, Dotty dodderer Angie - that living breathing
shambolic testament to the long term adverse effects of an
excessive lifestyle - has been secretly informed by BB that her
ex-husband David Bowie had died.

3. Despite his legendary staus, David Bowie has been passe
for a long time and his illness was not general public knowledge
prior to the HM's entering.

4. David Gest had been looking increasingly ill and finally had been
ordered to bed to rest, where he completely covered himself up
under the blanket - shroud-like - from head to toe and was laid
-- corpse-like -- motionless and deeply asleep.

5. Tiffany - an American, and therefore probably possessed of a
deeper bond to fellow American David Gest - was told out-of-the-
blue by Angie, simply that; "David is dead" and understandably
assumed that Angie was referring to David Gest.

6. After ascertaining that Angie was not joking (or carrying out a
'secret task') Tiffany was - understandably - in a state of shock
and was therefore less capable of 'rational' thought than normal.

7. What compounded the misunderstanding was when Tiffany asked
Angie "When did this happen?" and she replied "Just now".

The frenetic farce which followed was gloriously funny and worthy of Ben Travers, The Three stooges and The Marx Brothers:

"She told me David's dead"

Stampede by the idiots to David Gests bed where they find him shrouded and motionless.

Cue David Essex from 'Evita':

"Oh what a circus, oh what a show.
The House Mates have gone to town
Over the death of a David - Bowie or Gest
They don't really care, as long as they can impress,
Mourning all day and mourning all night
Falling over ourselves to get all - of the misery right"

Thank you, thank you, thank you Angie and Tiff
(And David G for playing the part of a stiff)

This transformed a mundane borefest into TV Gold.

[lostalex]

First: Thank you Angie and Tiffany (and some of the others) for the most gut-achingly hilarious incident in CBB history.

This series was advertised as having a Vaudevillian theme which has not until now been the case, but, oh brother, was it worth waiting for - a comic farce worthy of the great Ben Travers. I was crying with laughter, and it could not have played out better had it all been scripted. And here's how the Fates combined to bring us TV Gold:

1. One of the Golden Rules of BB, is that ALL HM's shall be totally
isolated from outside news and events.

2. Despite the above, Dotty dodderer Angie - that living breathing
shambolic testament to the long term adverse effects of an
excessive lifestyle - has been secretly informed by BB that her
ex-husband David Bowie had died.

3. Despite his legendary staus, David Bowie has been passe
for a long time and his illness was not general public knowledge
prior to the HM's entering.

4. David Gest had been looking increasingly ill and finally had been
ordered to bed to rest, where he completely covered himself up
under the blanket - shroud-like - from head to toe and was laid
-- corpse-like -- motionless and deeply asleep.

5. Tiffany - an American, and therefore probably possessed of a
deeper bond to fellow American David Gest - was told out-of-the-
blue by Angie, simply that; "David is dead" and understandably
assumed that Angie was referring to David Gest.

6. After ascertaining that Angie was not joking (or carrying out a
'secret task') Tiffany was - understandably - in a state of shock
and was therefore less capable of 'rational' thought than normal.

7. What compounded the misunderstanding was when Tiffany asked
Angie "When did this happen?" and she replied "Just now".

The frenetic farce which followed was gloriously funny and worthy of Ben Travers, The Three stooges and The Marx Brothers:

"She told me David's dead"

Stampede by the idiots to David Gests bed where they find him shrouded and motionless.

Cue David Essex from 'Evita':

"Oh what a circus, oh what a show.
The House Mates have gone to town
Over the death of a David - Bowie or Gest
They don't really care, as long as they can impress,
Mourning all day and mourning all night
Falling over ourselves to get all - of the misery right"

Thank you, thank you, thank you Angie and Tiff
(And David G for playing the part of a stiff)

This transformed a mundane borefest into TV Gold.

you have a real talent. :joker:

[Matress]

Angie comes in in a flurry of tears, David is already sick, she just says David, not David Bowie.

Obviously Tiff and Bowie weren't on a first name basis.

Of course, it took place during a moment of grief, which made things get jumbled up, but it's so effing rude of the house to turn on Tiff for misunderstanding because, chances are, they would've thought the same thing.

Tiff was politely asked by Angie to not tell anyone. She then proceeds to go berserk screaming and shouting. She was out of control and wouldn't have been so confused if she had done as Angie had asked. On such a serious issue, IE somebodies death, she really should have sought clarification.

Tiff took far too long to realize she needed to apologize for her mistake.

[bots]

Tiff was politely asked by Angie to not tell anyone. She then proceeds to go berserk screaming and shouting. She was out of control and wouldn't have been so confused if she had done as Angie had asked. On such a serious issue, IE somebodies death, she really should have sought clarification.

Tiff took far too long to realize she needed to apologize for her mistake.

but, she had just been told a housemate had died ... how could anyone keep that to themselves :joker:

[waterhog]

if I tell someone a secret on the forum - promise me faithfully it won't get out to the world ?

if you can guarantee me that I will tell you my darkest secret :conf:

[Slevin]

some in the garden probably thought they heard a banshee

[Niamh.]

Tiff was politely asked by Angie to not tell anyone. She then proceeds to go berserk screaming and shouting. She was out of control and wouldn't have been so confused if she had done as Angie had asked. On such a serious issue, IE somebodies death, she really should have sought clarification.



Tiff took far too long to realize she needed to apologize for her mistake.


I'm sure if she'd realised it was Angies ex husband and not s HM she would have kept it quiet but you don't really expect her to keep it quiet when she thinks it's one of her HMs? Angie would have no right to expect her to keep that quiet

[jaxie]

I definitely don't blame her for the mistake, it was just a misunderstanding and she over reacted. I do blame her for behaving poorly after and for letting the whole thing continue far longer than it should have. She had noticed Angie was upset which is how Angie came to tell her news so she never should have taken it so far.

[jet]

Tiff was politely asked by Angie to not tell anyone. She then proceeds to go berserk screaming and shouting. She was out of control and wouldn't have been so confused if she had done as Angie had asked. On such a serious issue, IE somebodies death, she really should have sought clarification.

Tiff took far too long to realize she needed to apologize for her mistake.

Yes, and only after one of the HM's (I think Christopher) told her she should; she didn't do it unprompted. The same with offering to make the tea etc, Gemma asked her to do that.

[chuff me dizzy]

Yes, and only after one of the HM's (I think Christopher) told her she should; she didn't do it unprompted. I'm not sure if it would have even occurred to her to offer condolences. :shocked: The same with offering to make the tea etc, Gemma asked her to do that.

Showed her arrogance

[Crimson Dynamo]

John did not cover himself in glory last night

[kirklancaster]

I think that there is far more to question in Earth Mother Gemma's motives for offering Tiffany such advice - ON CAMERA - than there is in Tiffany's genuinely shocked reaction to the news that David Gest was dead -- as she was led to believe.

On the subject of Gemma's advice, it is notable that once it HAD been pointed out to Tiffany that she should offer to make tea and coffee etc, Tiffany IMMEDIATELY complied.

This logically convinces me that Tiffany was NOT deliberately 'slacking off' and allowing the other HM's to carry her as far as chores go, but that she GENUINELY just did not think.

I think that some of the other HM's - whilst killing themselves to be seen to be sympathetic to Angie to the point of embarrassment (pass me that sick bucket ugh!) - were completely insensitive to the very real probability that any abberrant behaviour on Tiffany's patt, may just well have been the result of genuine shock at believing David Gest was dead. The fake twots were not so bothered to be seen to be sympathetic to Tiffany because of that possible fact, were they?

On the contrary, they succumbed to 'Lord of The Flies' "Kill The Pig" bullying pack instincts.

[MTVN]

Yes I can blame her, the idea that it could have been David Gest who had just died in the last half hour with only Angie knowing about it is bloody ridiculous. Therefore the sensible reaction to being told what she was is to ask for clarification and more detail, not to go jumping around shrieking like a banshee and then immediately run outside to tell all the others.

[jet]

I think that there is far more to question in Earth Mother Gemma's motives for offering Tiffany such advice - ON CAMERA - than there is in Tiffany's genuinely shocked reaction to the news that David Gest was dead -- as she was led to believe.

On the subject of Gemma's advice, it is notable that once it HAD been pointed out to Tiffany that she should offer to make tea and coffee etc, Tiffany IMMEDIATELY complied.

This logically convinces me that Tiffany was NOT deliberately 'slacking off' and allowing the other HM's to carry her as far as chores go, but that she GENUINELY just did not think.

I think that some of the other HM's - whilst killing themselves to be seen to be sympathetic to Angie to the point of embarrassment (pass me that sick bucket ugh!) - were completely insensitive to the very real probability that any abberrant behaviour on Tiffany's patt, may just well have been the result of genuine shock at believing David Gest was dead. The fake twots were not so bothered to be seen to be sympathetic to Tiffany because of that possible fact, were they?

On the contrary, they succumbed to 'Lord of The Flies' "Kill The Pig" bullying pack instincts.

Well Gemma can hardly offer her advice off camera, seeing as the cameras are always there.
And don't forget, most of the HM's had a terrible shock too, when THEY thought David was dead, even if it was only for the time it took to go to the bedroom and discover he was alive. I certainly wouldn't like Tiffany to be the one who was breaking news of a death to me. Poor David, too, having a nice sleep only to be woken up by a posse of HM's pulling the covers off him and telling him they thought he was dead.
Now I'm laughing again at the thought of it all. :laugh:

[Ammi]

Yes, and only after one of the HM's (I think Christopher) told her she should; she didn't do it unprompted. The same with offering to make the tea etc, Gemma asked her to do that.

..it wasn't prompting really though, she seems like a lady who very much wouldn't be prompted into anything by anyone else if it was something that she didn't want to do/was sincere about...what they did was to calm her/'help bring her down' from the chaos in her head and a house that had showed nothing but hostility with their 'bullying eyes' or whatever she described them as...everyone looking at her as if she was the face of evil and united in saying that they wanted her to go..(led by John..)...

..Angie wasn't told by BB that David was dead..there was a whole time thing involved there, she was told by her publicist/manager..?...and then we picked up after that in the DR...from when she was told, a whole range of emotions would have been there also...even from the DR when we saw it, her emotions were conflicted as she absorbed it all..she couldn't really feel much/she was upset/the end of an era etc...all of it with time and support from BB and support from John, David and then the rest of the house....when Tiffany first thought that a member of the house had died and then that Angie had lied to her/joked about it and how despicable that would be for her to do..?..we fairly much saw her whole range of emotions/shock etc live and unplugged...and there she was, the sassy young New Yorker and reacting to someone who she thought had joked about a housemate's death..(which she genuinely believed..)...so anger, yes...and no time allowed for her to absorb it all and very little support/a huge amount of accusing hostility shown...and there Angie was with everyone around her and having had time to absorb her support/the news/her emotions etc and someone who Tiffany had thought, played a cruel 'joke' on her....

..a lot happened to Tiffany in a very short space of time, she thought someone she'd shared the house with was dead because he was ill that day, she thought someone she'd shared the house with had made a 'joke' of saying he was dead/found it ok to do that, she had everyone glaring at her/she had John saying no one wanted her and that they would go if she stayed, she couldn't understand what she had done wrong, why she seemed hated...so yes, it all took her time and yes the suggestion of making tea etc...but not a 'prompt', just a few sensible people helping to calmly bring her back and understand what the holy heck had just happened...mainly Gemma I think actually...

[chuff me dizzy]

Yes I can blame her, the idea that it could have been David Gest who had just died in the last half hour with only Angie knowing about it is bloody ridiculous. Therefore the sensible reaction to being told what she was is to ask for clarification and more detail, not to go jumping around shrieking like a banshee and then immediately run outside to tell all the others.

Exactly, and all this after Angie had asked her not to tell anyone

[Livia]

Tiffany's behaviour was appalling. It was bad enough with the shrieking and wailing right at the start but her behaviour afterwards makes me believe she should have been ejected for her own safety. She clearly can't cope. At least that's what a choose to believe. Otherwise the only option would be that she hijacked someone's death to draw attention to her profoundly untalented self.

I'm not sticking up for Angie, she didn't handle it well... but she's not the full quid anyway.

[Denver]

Yes I can blame her, the idea that it could have been David Gest who had just died in the last half hour with only Angie knowing about it is bloody ridiculous. Therefore the sensible reaction to being told what she was is to ask for clarification and more detail, not to go jumping around shrieking like a banshee and then immediately run outside to tell all the others.

More I think about more I think it was all fake as she would have saw David priory before and had he died in the house their would be paramedics and coroner's.

I think she found the perfect opportunity to get airtime by mocking the death of a musical icon and knew exactly what she was doing and then went forward to lie about Angie saying David Best after that she went to laugh about it in the garden and call Angie a horrible name and lauch herself towards Angie.

This is a really fake reaction.

[Livia]

More I think about more I think it was all fake as she would have saw David priory before and had he died in the house their would be paramedics and coroner's.

I think she found the perfect opportunity to get airtime by mocking the death of a musical icon and knew exactly what she was doing and then went forward to lie about Angie saying David Best after that she went to laugh about it in the garden and call Angie a horrible name and lauch herself towards Angie.

This is a really fake reaction.

I have the same feeling, Adam. And what was really sad for me is that there was no mention of the death of Bowie, apart from the housemates making it clear they were relieved it was him and not David Gest. And really, that's not a reaction I expected... ever.

[Denver]

I have the same feeling, Adam. And what was really sad for me is that there was no mention of the death of Bowie, apart from the housemates making it clear they were relieved it was him and not David Gest. And really, that's not a reaction I expected... ever.

I know this is a man who help make the music business what it is today and he gets treated like trash and a laughing joke ICON'S should not be treated that way

[Livia]

I know this is a man who help make the music business what it is today and he gets treated like trash and a laughing joke ICON'S should not be treated that way

I hope there's some reference to it tonight. Just a word... just a comment, something respectful.

[kirklancaster]

This has really NOTHING to do with the legend that is Bowie, and everything to do with an incident involving two HM's - neither of whom are 'full gas bobs' -creating comic mayhem through one misunderstanding after another over the reporting of Bowie's death.

[Niamh.]

John did not cover himself in glory last night

Yep for me he behaved worse than anyone last night

[Niamh.]

I have the same feeling, Adam. And what was really sad for me is that there was no mention of the death of Bowie, apart from the housemates making it clear they were relieved it was him and not David Gest. And really, that's not a reaction I expected... ever.

Nobody could have predicted this happening though, tbh as I was watching, because I knew what Angie was talking about already I was thinking what on Earth is going on? Was Tiffany a massive Bowie fan or what? But after realising what was going on, of course she was going to think of David Gest first

[Vanessa]

I didn't like the way she spoke to Angie, but i appreciate that she said sorry to her.

[Livia]

Nobody could have predicted this happening though, tbh as I was watching, because I knew what Angie was talking about already I was thinking what on Earth is going on? Was Tiffany a massive Bowie fan or what? But after realising what was going on, of course she was going to think of David Gest first

Even if Tiffany thought is was David Gest, the reaction was still waaay over the top. of course what should have happened is as soon as it was clear there was going to be a drama, BB should have called Tiffany to the diary room and cleared up the mess.

Surely the sensible thing to do would have been, when Angie said "David's dead" would have been to ask... "David Gest?" After all, this is Angie BOWIE we're talking about, she shares a surname with the most famous David in the world, probably. I have a feeling Tiffany knew exactly what Angie was talking about and took the opportunity to be a Reality Star. Otherwise, why would Angie know and not the rest of the house? It seems ridiculous. It made me a bit ashamed to be watching a show that would allow this to happen off the back of the death of a cultural icon.

[Niamh.]

Even if Tiffany thought is was David Gest, the reaction was still waaay over the top. of course what should have happened is as soon as it was clear there was going to be a drama, BB should have called Tiffany to the diary room and cleared up the mess.

Surely the sensible thing to do would have been, when Angie said "David's dead" would have been to ask... "David Gest?" After all, this is Angie BOWIE we're talking about, she shares a surname with the most famous David in the world, probably. I have a feeling Tiffany knew exactly what Angie was talking about and took the opportunity to be a Reality Star. Otherwise, why would Angie know and not the rest of the house? It seems ridiculous. It made me a bit ashamed to be watching a show that would allow this to happen off the back of the death of a cultural icon.

So you think she genuinely knew what Angie was talking about and still pretended she thought it was David Gest? I don't believe that for a second, I think she got a fright-as anyone would imo if they thought one of their HMs had just died, I think you're right BB should have called her into the diary room and let her calm down and digest the information and things wouldn't have gotten out of hand but imo John, Kristina and Daniella were mostly to blame for it getting as bad as it did

And I'm sure the producers were sitting back and rubbing their hands in glee

[Livia]

So you think she genuinely knew what Angie was talking about and still pretended she thought it was David Gest? I don't believe that for a second, I think she got a fright-as anyone would imo if they thought one of their HMs had just died, I think you're right BB should have called her into the diary room and let her calm down and digest the information and things wouldn't have gotten out of hand but imo John, Kristina and Daniella were mostly to blame for it getting as bad as it did

And I'm sure the producers were sitting back and rubbing their hands in glee

I think she genuinely thought was David Gest to begin with... anyone with half a brain would realise that, if David Gest had died, Angie Bowie would not be the only one to know. I think she realised the truth but she'd gone to far and decided to carry on.

Agree about the producers. I really was disgusted.

[Niamh.]

I think she genuinely thought was David Gest to begin with... anyone with half a brain would realise that, if David Gest had died, Angie Bowie would not be the only one to know. I think she realised the truth but she'd gone to far and decided to carry on.

Agree about the producers. I really was disgusted.

People act weird when they've had a big shock like that, she just should have been brought away and let calm down not have people demand she leave etc