More Black stars Boycott Racist Oscars 2016

[Tom4784]

Bond's race isn't an important part of his character in the films, they are in the books but in the films it really isn't important at all. Like I said before, the Bond Books and films are different entities at this point. A lot of the actors who have played Bond really wouldn't have fit the book version if they were to do a religious adaption of them. From what I know of the character, it's only really Sean Connery and Daniel Craig's (aside from the hair) interpretations that come close to what Ian Fleming envisioned in terms of Bond's character.

James Bond in the films is like Doctor Who, he doesn't have a set personality or appearance beyond the basics because so many people have played them at this point. As long as the actor is male, can do a British accent and is capable of being charming then that's all you need really.

[the truth]

maybe the irish and welsh should boycott the brits as they didn't win anything last year

[Livia]

I love you Dezzy... even when you're wrong :-)

xx

[Livia]

maybe the irish and welsh should boycott the brits as they didn't win anything last year

I've never won an award, I'm boycotting everything.

[the truth]

I've never won an award, I'm boycotting everything.

same here, theyre a bunch on truth-ists

[Livia]

same here, theyre a bunch on truth-ists

What makes me smile, going back to the Oscars, is... it's such an awfully smug opportunity for people in show business to pat each other on the back and discuss how brilliant they all are. It's a lovey-fest that means nothing, really.

[the truth]

its the same few dozen multi multi millionaire over-rated luvvies every year......like theres no other actors in the world with the monolithic talent of winslet, redmayne, Mirren etc the irony is movies are getting worse every year due to a chronic lack of writers and unoriginal formulaic film school directors ....bring back Hitchcock all is forgiven

[Niamh.]

maybe the irish and welsh should boycott the brits as they didn't win anything last year

Ireland isn't part of Britain so we're alright, we do have a couple in for an Oscar though :hee:

[GiRTh]

Yes, I am saying Idris would not be a good Bond simply on his ethnicity.

Have you read the books? Have you seen the situations Bond got himself into? No way would a black man be able to melt into the background like a white man could in certain situations. It has to at least be believable.

And as much as I love Idris, and think he's wonderful as Luthur (Who could equally have been played by a black or a white actor) I think he would be an awful Bond. If a black Bond was inevitable I'd rather Colin Salmon who is much more Bond-esque, in my opinion.You start by saying Idris wouldnt be a good bond due to his ethnically then slightly back track by saying Colin Salmon might be Ok.

The TV spy series Alias had a top female Russian spy played by black woman Gina Torres with the back story that she was trained in Cuba. It worked. But if you say its not possible then I'll take your word for it. :thumbs:

[user104658]

The TV spy series Alias had a top female Russian spy played by black woman Gina Torres with the back story that she was trained in Cuba. It worked. But if you say its not possible then I'll take your word for it. :thumbs:

Yes but that's the character's back-story, so it's fine.

You can't CHANGE an established character's back story once you've established it, without doing a reboot. You break the canon and in doing so kill the immersion for many people... it's that simple.

If they want a black (or any other race) Bond, in my view, they have two paths they can take:

1) Introduce another agent and explain that "James Bond" is actually one of a selection of anonymous alias titles given to agents in an upcoming Bond film; feature the new agent heavily to get people invested, and then kill off the current Bond at the end and have that new agent take on the 007 code and "James Bond" name. Controversial? Sure... but perfectly acceptable narrative-wise.

2) Reboot the series again, make a new origins movie and brand new interpretation of the source material. Then you can basically do whatever you want with any character you want.

[GiRTh]

Yes but that's the character's back-story, so it's fine.

You can't CHANGE an established character's back story once you've established it, without doing a reboot. You break the canon and in doing so kill the immersion for many people... it's that simple.

If they want a black (or any other race) Bond, in my view, they have two paths they can take:

1) Introduce another agent and explain that "James Bond" is actually one of a selection of anonymous alias titles given to agents in an upcoming Bond film; feature the new agent heavily to get people invested, and then kill off the current Bond at the end and have that new agent take on the 007 code and "James Bond" name. Controversial? Sure... but perfectly acceptable narrative-wise.

2) Reboot the series again, make a new origins movie and brand new interpretation of the source material. Then you can basically do whatever you want with any character you want.THere are any number of ways to introduce a new Bond I'm merely pointing out to anyone who thinks its impossible that it most definitely isnt impossible. Dennis Haysbert played the leader of a crack special forces team in the Unit, he had no problems blending into certain areas as apparently that is a major issue too.

[King Gizzard]

He's too cool for ****ty Cheesy James Bond anyway

[Livia]

You start by saying Idris wouldnt be a good bond due to his ethnically then slightly back track by saying Colin Salmon might be Ok.

The TV spy series Alias had a top female Russian spy played by black woman Gina Torres with the back story that she was trained in Cuba. It worked. But if you say its not possible then I'll take your word for it. :thumbs:

I mentioned Colin Salmon because IF they went with a black Bond, he would make a better one than Idris. I think he's a better actor. In my humble opinion. And that's all it is, my opinion.

[GiRTh]

He's too cool for ****ty Cheesy James Bond anywayI agree. Personally I think Idris is a big enough name to sell the films on his name alone, but the hell with all that his ethnicity is wrong. I hope he campaigns for it and seriously puts himself forward as he has to be, in terms of ability and experience, one of the best to apply. Then I look forward to the backlash.

[Livia]

If they continued the Blade series with a white actor playing Wesley Snipes character... I'd have a problem with that too. Backstory.... like TS says.

[GiRTh]

I mentioned Colin Salmon because IF they went with a black Bond, he would make a better one than Idris. I think he's a better actor. In my humble opinion. And that's all it is, my opinion.Lets go with the best actor available who happens to be black. :thumbs:

[Marsh.]

Suddenly change him from a black man to a white man?

He went from looking like Sean Connery to Pierce Brosnan to Daniel Craig, so his skin colour changing is the least of the franchise's problems. :laugh:

[GiRTh]

He went from looking like Sean Connery to Pierce Brosnan to Daniel Craig, so his skin colour changing is the least of the franchise's problems. :laugh:And Connery played the role with a Scottish accent. According to the books Bond is definitely not Scottish.

[Marsh.]

Yes but that's the character's back-story, so it's fine.

You can't CHANGE an established character's back story once you've established it, without doing a reboot. You break the canon and in doing so kill the immersion for many people... it's that simple.

If they want a black (or any other race) Bond, in my view, they have two paths they can take:

1) Introduce another agent and explain that "James Bond" is actually one of a selection of anonymous alias titles given to agents in an upcoming Bond film; feature the new agent heavily to get people invested, and then kill off the current Bond at the end and have that new agent take on the 007 code and "James Bond" name. Controversial? Sure... but perfectly acceptable narrative-wise.

2) Reboot the series again, make a new origins movie and brand new interpretation of the source material. Then you can basically do whatever you want with any character you want.

So the vastly different looking actors who play Bond each iteration is fine but different skin colour is one step too far? :joker:

Bond is just popcorn fluff with daft stunts. Hardly something with an unchangeable backstory.

The books are an entirely different medium and canon anyway so they don't come into it anymore.

[Marsh.]

maybe the irish and welsh should boycott the brits as they didn't win anything last year

Straw man argument.

[Livia]

Lets go with the best actor available who happens to be black. :thumbs:

Colin Salmon then. Or maybe David Olewayo... a fine actor. Far superior to Idris in my opinion... although Idris is gorgeous I'll admit.

[Livia]

He went from looking like Sean Connery to Pierce Brosnan to Daniel Craig, so his skin colour changing is the least of the franchise's problems. :laugh:

That's all been addressed pages back. Keep up, Marshy...

[GiRTh]

Colin Salmon then. Or maybe David Olewayo... a fine actor. Far superior to Idris in my opinion... although Idris is gorgeous I'll admit.Have you never seen the Wire? I'm stunned anyone doesn't rate Idris as an actor after his portrayal of Stringer Bell, but we are all entitled to our opinions. :thumbs:

[Livia]

Have you never seen the Wire? I'm stunned anyone doesn't rate Idris as an actor after his portrayal of Stringer Bell, but we are all entitled to our opinions. :thumbs:

No, I have never seen The Wire. You recommend it, then? Might give it a go Who knows, my opinion might change. But not about Bond :-)

[the truth]

Straw man argument. hypocrite

[GiRTh]

No, I have never seen The Wire. You recommend it, then? Might give it a go Who knows, my opinion might change. But not about Bond :-)
Best Tv show ever made IMO. Idris is amazing. I thought he was American after watching, his accent is so convincing. Plus the Wire is 15 years old so he's been at the level for quite a while. Enjoy. :thumbs:

[the truth]

So the vastly different looking actors who play Bond each iteration is fine but different skin colour is one step too far? :joker:

Bond is just popcorn fluff with daft stunts. Hardly something with an unchangeable backstory.

The books are an entirely different medium and canon anyway so they don't come into it anymore.

straw man argument

[Livia]

Best Tv show ever made IMO. Idris is amazing. I thought he was American after watching, his accent is so convincing. Plus the Wire is 15 years old so he's been at the level for quite a while. Enjoy. :thumbs:

Ahhh... 15 years ago I didn't have time to watch telly, I had a life. I will give it a watch.

[Kizzy]

After the burning car incident are there no votes for foxx?.....

[Marsh.]

hypocrite

straw man argument

Ok. :pat:

[Marsh.]

That's all been addressed pages back. Keep up, Marshy...

You have to give the banned people time to re-accustom themselves to the forum Liv :fist:

[Marsh.]

The oldest thing I've seen Idris Elba in was that episode of Ab Fab where he plays a gigolo.

I didn't realise it was him until a few months ago.

And how apt what Patsy says to him?

https://pbs.twimg.com/tweet_video_thumb/B-fBjfuCUAARSB7.png

:joker:

[GiRTh]

The oldest thing I've seen Idris Elba in was that episode of Ab Fab where he plays a gigolo.

I didn't realise it was him until a few months ago.

And how apt what Patsy says to him?

https://pbs.twimg.com/tweet_video_thumb/B-fBjfuCUAARSB7.png

:joker::joker:

He's does better English accent than Connery.

[kirklancaster]

I do agree with Livia here; Bond can't be black unless it's a(nother) reboot. It's not that a spy can't be black, or that you couldn't make a film exactly LIKE a bond film with a black Bond, it's just that you couldn't have a black actor take on the currently established role of Bond. Because, as Livia says, it would alter the character's history, make past situations impossible, and therefore break the canon.

I had a similar discussion over in the movies forum about "black Hermione". Black Hermione in a new interpretation of the source material, i.e. a new play based on the first book and onwards, would in my opinion be 100% fine. Suddenly casting a black Hermione in a direct sequel to the already established interpretation does not work. Because that Hermione is not black.

I used the current CW series of The Flash as an example here too: Wally West has just appeared in the series, an established character from the comics, and in the show he is black whereas in others he's been white. There's no problem there at all, because this is his FIRST appearence in THIS interpretation of The Flash, he is a character based on the source character, they are not necessarily the same character... in exactly the same way that the "Smallville" Green Arrow and the "Arrow" Green Arrow are based on the same source material but are clearly not the same character.

Other examples, and sorry for all the superhero **** :joker:

Toby maguire and Andrew Garfield (and now Tom Holland) are NOT the same Spider-man; they could have cast anyone... each is a new interpretation.

Terence Howard and Don Cheadle ARE the same War Machine. He is established. And so changing the actor to a Japanese guy in Iron Man 2 would have been ludicrous; he had to "stay black".

In other words... I'm a bit of a stickler for fiction and canon, and for me, each interpretation of a character becomes as if they are that human being. Slight appearance changes / actor changes are one thing, changing something so fundamental that it would change the character's entire backstory is another thing. Tl;dr - for me, the established Bond can no more change his race than you or I can, in order for me to consider it "good fiction", and not break my immersion. The established Bond is who he is.

Now... all of that said... I wouldn't particularly have any problem with them rebooting Bond again after Daniel Craig leaves, and casting a black Bond with a different back story, and a different set of "old missions" under his belt as experience. I think the reboot worked well this time around - for those not in the know... Connery all the way up to Brosnan were all "the same Bond" - Daniel Craig is NOT that same Bond, but an entirely new character.

Having "sets" of three or four movies each with a completely "fresh" Bond would work fairly well (a reboot with each actor change), IMO. But they would have to make that clear. A new origin story for a new Bond.

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At the risk of now being written off as a T,S, 'groupie' - What truly wonderful COMMON FECKING SENSE.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Too many white people's opinions here from white people's POVs.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

'It's not that a spy can't be black, or that you couldn't make a film exactly LIKE a bond film with a black Bond, it's just that you couldn't have a black actor take on the currently established role of Bond. Because, as Livia says, it would alter the character's history, make past situations impossible, and therefore break the canon.' And yet white hollywood has been perfectly comfortable putting white actors in roles meant for blacks or people of color. Jesus of Nazareth, Cleopatra, Moses, recently they tried it with the film about a black transgender activist by putting a blue eyed white man but people have too much of a voice now with social media so they didn't just sit back and let it happen.

[user104658]

'It's not that a spy can't be black, or that you couldn't make a film exactly LIKE a bond film with a black Bond, it's just that you couldn't have a black actor take on the currently established role of Bond. Because, as Livia says, it would alter the character's history, make past situations impossible, and therefore break the canon.' And yet white hollywood has been perfectly comfortable putting white actors in roles meant for blacks or people of color. Jesus of Nazareth, Cleopatra, Moses, recently they tried it with the film about a black transgender activist by putting a blue eyed white man but people have too much of a voice now with social media so they didn't just sit back and let it happen.

Either you didn't read all of what I said and jumped after the first sentence, or you're not a fan of serial movie / TV universes and have no idea what I'm talking about when I mention established rules / canon.

I specifically said that there's no issue with having a black Bond, *** IF *** you reboot (start over) the "Bond universe" that those movies are set in and give him a new back story. The roles you're talking about are standalone type movies (contained universes) and so the director has free reign with casting, IMO. Whether their decisions are good or bad is still up for debate, but the decision is theirs. They can cast whoever or whatever they want. They can do the whole thing in CGI. They can make a whole cast of sea mammals and put a whole new twist on "James Pond".

What they can't do is make dramatic changes to a character in an established universe and expect to maintain the suspension of disbelief that makes movies enjoyable.

It's not a race superiority issue at all. Not for me, anyway. I would have just as much of a problem with it if I was to walk into "Cap 3: Civil War"when it comes out and find that The Falcon or War Machine (both black characters) had been replaced with white actors. Just the same as if Iron Man was suddenly Chinese, or Black Widow was suddenly played by a 6ft tall man.

[Marsh.]

But Bond doesn't stick to an established universe or canon anyway.

One or two movies almost carry on from the other but other than that, the rules chop and change all of the time anyway. Even when there isn't a change of lead actor.

James Bond is not an example of having a strong canon. It's like Doctor Who, the rules and backstory changes to suit the whims of the person in charge of it at any given time.

The lead characters skin being a different colour really is nothing in comparison.

[King Gizzard]

If it sticked to a story he'd be ancient by now init

[user104658]

But Bond doesn't stick to an established universe or canon anyway.

One or two movies almost carry on from the other but other than that, the rules chop and change all of the time anyway. Even when there isn't a change of lead actor.

James Bond is not an example of having a strong canon. It's like Doctor Who, the rules and backstory changes to suit the whims of the person in charge of it at any given time.

The lead characters skin being a different colour really is nothing in comparison.

It doesn't have a strong canon but it has only changed once. Ending with Brosnan and rebooting with Craig. There have been established ties between all of the previous movies. Yes, there are numerous examples of canon "flexibility" already in Bond, as you mentioned is the case with Doctor Who, but the fact that it already exists doesn't mean that it *should* exist or that it should be encouraged... I hate it when the goalposts are moved. Even little bits for convenience. For example, it bugs the **** out of me that they make a big deal about "wordless spells" being difficult in the early Harry Potter stories and then by the end, every dopey Hogwards kid with half a wand is throwing them around with a flick of their wrist...

I digress.

Rule changes mid-game are bad. Always bad. Bad for the story, bad for the viewer.

But again I have no problem with the "new standard" for Bond being a reboot with each new actor. I don't actually mind reboots. I'm quite comfortable with separate canon universes co-existing, even. The annoying skinny kid from Gotham, and Ben Affleck, can be Batman at the same time. I'm cool with that.

[King Gizzard]

Or not suddenly turn up and be a natural blonde

[Marsh.]

Rule changes mid-game are bad. Always bad. Bad for the story, bad for the viewer.

But again I have no problem with the "new standard" for Bond being a reboot with each new actor. I don't actually mind reboots. I'm quite comfortable with separate canon universes co-existing, even. The annoying skinny kid from Gotham, and Ben Affleck, can be Batman at the same time. I'm cool with that.

Yeah, I agree with this.

I think a lot of people subscribe to the theory of each James Bond not being the same person but a spy assigned that code name or whatever.

[user104658]

Yeah, I agree with this.

I think a lot of people subscribe to the theory of each James Bond not being the same person but a spy assigned that code name or whatever.

I like it as a theory but there are a few small links in the "classic" pre-Brosnan films that fairly explicitly state that they're the same guy. Mentions of old missions / enemies / gadgets, things like that. Not so much with Brosnan but I'm sure the dead wife gets mentioned at some point? I dunno. I found all of the Brosnan films except Goldeneye pretty boring :shrug:. And Goldeneye is really only an exception because, of course, Sean Bean is a legend unmatched in cinema.

[Kizzy]

Yeah, I agree with this.

I think a lot of people subscribe to the theory of each James Bond not being the same person but a spy assigned that code name or whatever.

Yes I thought that was it too otherwise how can it span so many decades?
If it's meant to be the same guy then how can he be the same age in the 60s,70s,80,90s, and so on.

[Marsh.]

Yes I thought that was it too otherwise how can it span so many decades?
If it's meant to be the same guy then how can he be the same age in the 60s,70s,80,90s, and so on.

Exactly this. :laugh:

[Marsh.]

I like it as a theory but there are a few small links in the "classic" pre-Brosnan films that fairly explicitly state that they're the same guy. Mentions of old missions / enemies / gadgets, things like that. Not so much with Brosnan but I'm sure the dead wife gets mentioned at some point? I dunno. I found all of the Brosnan films except Goldeneye pretty boring :shrug:. And Goldeneye is really only an exception because, of course, Sean Bean is a legend unmatched in cinema.

I just don't like Brosnan. He's dull yet cheesy at the same time. :worry:

[King Gizzard]

(Was also under the illusion that it was just a name given to an agent)

[James]

The Connery-Lazenby-Moore years are kind of supposed to be the same character, albeit with different personalities. Rebooted for Dalton and Brosnan, and then rebooted again for Craig.

But yeah, the name can be treated like a codename.

[Kizzy]

I just don't like Brosnan. He's dull yet cheesy at the same time. :worry:

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* marsh watching mama mia*

[user104658]

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* marsh watching mama mia*

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Second worst movie ever made.

(The worst is "Sex and The City 2")

[Anaesthesia]

I like it as a theory but there are a few small links in the "classic" pre-Brosnan films that fairly explicitly state that they're the same guy. Mentions of old missions / enemies / gadgets, things like that. Not so much with Brosnan but I'm sure the dead wife gets mentioned at some point? I dunno. I found all of the Brosnan films except Goldeneye pretty boring :shrug:. And Goldeneye is really only an exception because, of course, Sean Bean is a legend unmatched in cinema.

Yeah I agree. I kind of lost interest in the films though when they ran out of original books to film. Bond IS just a franchise now, it wasn't back in t'day.

[Kizzy]

Therefore I would now if 007 is just a variation on a theme expand the character, it has really been done to death the suave white stereotypical bond.

[arista]

Therefore I would now if 007 is just a variation on a theme expand the character, it has really been done to death the suave white stereotypical bond.


White Bond

will stay as its the Story Line.


To much Hype on Bond Movies

[Ammi]

I just don't like Brosnan. He's dull yet cheesy at the same time. :worry:

..well we've just fallen out big time matey...






..:laugh:...

[Ammi]

...interestingly, I started this conversation in the staffroom yesterday, being interested in thoughts there and there was many whose thought process agreed with Liv and TS, in the 'changing of back stories'...I guess that it was a 50/50-ish thing...


...I think that him being ageless, is something he has to be because if he wasn't, then he would just die or would have died really and more than anything else, James Bond is a huge money making thing, so he can never die/he can never age...but I don't personally really get that association because in film terms, him being 'born' in the 60's/transferred to the screen then...?...then that would only reinforce what Liv and TS are saying in that 'back in the day'/in the 60's/70's etc, would a black James Bond have access to the places and situations that he did..?...not really because as is often discussed on the forum, thems was different times..anyways, yes he is a 'neutral' character and could be believable as one..(my opinion anyway..)..now situations could be but they couldn't have been originally, with very much a racist/homophobic/sexist etc world ....

..anyways, James Bond is in terms of a character 'an institution'/type thing so he will never age in the way that other franchise characters are aging, characters like Rocky and John McClane, when they're now becoming 'the mentor' type role because the money James Bond is making isn't waning through the decades so he has to stay forever young...it just wouldn't make sense otherwise, so is actually nothing but logic/continuing to carry him on through many more decades etc...


..anyways, I also find it interesting with the best actor ting because I've never thought that James Bond has ever been about acting...there are some fine actors who have played him..Sean Connery, Pierce Brosnan, Daniel Craig but I wouldn't have said that their acting abilities were particularly something that were relevant in them portraying Bond, it's more what having been chosen for the part gave them...the other acting roles offered..?...and that's also what black actors are saying, would they have the same opportunities following on from being James Bond, would their acting worlds open up and expand in the same way or still remain restricted..?...see, that's something we'll never know unless that's something that's explored in the first place, by their being a black James Bond, how careers would progress from that as well..?...(I do agree with Livia actually, I like the sound of Colin Salmon in the role..)...yes, Idris is amazing as an actor and very easy on the eye but James Bond has never been about acting abilities, as I say...Sean Connery was often pretty dire and Roger Moore, well the less he had a speaking part, the better....

[lostalex]

Wait...

but if the Oscars hate black people... and all the blacks stay away... isn't that just giving the Oscars what they want?

Blacks boycotting a racist business, for not including blacks... that seems like a win/win situation...

I don't understand the problem. :shrug:

[Marsh.]

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* marsh watching mama mia*

:joker:

[Niamh.]

After the burning car incident are there no votes for foxx?.....

I never find Jamie Foxx likeable on screen for some reason, i don't know why. I watched that interview with him about having saved the man from the car and he's alot more likeable when he isn't acting

[lostalex]

the black stars have plenty of black awards to get.

[Kizzy]

I never find Jamie Foxx likeable on screen for some reason, i don't know why. I watched that interview with him about having saved the man from the car and he's alot more likeable when he isn't acting

I feel the same about james bond, always comes across as arrogant and sexist to me... maybe I'd prefer him if he were black :laugh:

[Niamh.]

I feel the same about james bond, always comes across as arrogant and sexist to me... maybe I'd prefer him if he were black :laugh:

Same, I actually hate James Bond too :laugh:


Did you watch Django unchained Kizzy? Originally Will Smith was supposed to be Django but he pulled out, for me Will Smith and Jamie Foxx are like polar opposites, I find Jamie abit cold in films where as Will is just so likeable, I wonder how that would have changed the film (still loved the film but for me Christopher Waltz made it)

[Kizzy]

No, I'm the least hollywood person, I hate shooting/fighting/action type films. I remember the hype surrounding it and the 'buckets of blood' rep it got initially, deffo not my thango :)

[Niamh.]

haha I love Tarantino films

[user104658]

Same, I actually hate James Bond too :laugh:


Did you watch Django unchained Kizzy? Originally Will Smith was supposed to be Django but he pulled out, for me Will Smith and Jamie Foxx are like polar opposites, I find Jamie abit cold in films where as Will is just so likeable, I wonder how that would have changed the film (still loved the film but for me Christopher Waltz made it)

Will Smith is way too cheerful to be Django... it would be a totally different film. I agree that Jamie Foxx often comes across cold but that film definitely needs that... he's basically a guy that's been pushed far enough to be come a straight up killer-ninja :joker:. Like that's the point really... he barely blinks as he slaughters them.

Sammy L and Leo make the film for me, though.

[Niamh.]

Will Smith is way too cheerful to be Django... it would be a totally different film. I agree that Jamie Foxx often comes across cold but that film definitely needs that... he's basically a guy that's been pushed far enough to be come a straight up killer-ninja :joker:. Like that's the point really... he barely blinks as he slaughters them.

Sammy L and Leo make the film for me, though.

Will Smith can do serious :fist: he was pretty serious in I Am Legend. Oh yeah SLJ and Leo were great too

[user104658]

Will Smith can do serious :fist: he was pretty serious in I Am Legend. Oh yeah SLJ and Leo were great too

He can (sort of) but he can't do cold / repressed emotions. He's happy animated and amiable, or pissed off and shouty. He's pretty shouty in I Am Legend. Not as shouty as Independence Day though... he pretty much shouted every line in that.

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[Niamh.]

Just stop being jealous of him TS :flutter:


Oh actually back on topic, seems like Will has spoken up now too

http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/movies/2016/01/21/will-smith-joins-wife-jada-pinkett-smith-oscars-boycott/79107316/

and Reece Witherspoon also commented on it :
http://www.rte.ie/ten/news/2016/0121/761979-will-smith-to-join-in-oscars-boycott/

[user104658]

and Reece Witherspoon also commented on it :

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... ... that links to this picture...

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I'm so confused :(

[Niamh.]

hahaha sorry, that was the picture I posted in Lees Birthday thread :laugh: fixed it

[Z]

I dunno, I think it's a bit ****ty to be boycotting the Oscars, most award shows are just a cover for bribes from big labels/studios to push certain stars and very little to do with actual recognition of what's good... I do think there's a lack of variety in the mainstream, but I don't think that's a black actor specific problem - most films now are 1) franchise sequels or 2) reboots of classic franchises. If they're new screenplays, they rarely do well at the box office - I mean the films that won all the awards last year I hadn't heard of until they started winning awards, like Birdman and whatever else. It's all about superheroes and action movies which means you have to be a big burly man or an innocent looking but still sexy damsel in distress with very little room for variety.

[Ammi]

Sir Michael Caine on Oscars race row: 'You can't vote for an actor just because he's black'

Sir Michael Caine said black actors should not be nominated just to add diversity, as he weighed in on the Oscars race row.

Hollywood heavyweights Spike Lee and Will Smith are boycotting the Academy Awards after no actors from ethnic minorities were nominated in the top four categories, but Sir Michael told Nick Robinson on Radio 4′s Today show it should not become a box-ticking exercise.

He said: “There’s loads of black actors. In the end you can’t vote for an actor because he’s black. You can’t say ‘I’m going to vote for him, he’s not very good, but he’s black, I’ll vote for him’.”

He continued: “You have to give a good performance and I’m sure people have. I saw Idris Elba (in Beasts Of No Nation)… I thought he was wonderful.”

The two-time Academy Award-winner also offered some advice to black actors to “be patient”.

“Of course it will come. It took me years to get an Oscar, years,” he added.

Sir Michael also pointed out the bright side of an Oscars snub.

“The best thing about it is you don’t have to go. Especially the Oscars, 24 hours on an aeroplane and I’ve got to sit there clapping Leonardo DiCaprio.

“I love Leonardo, he played my son in a movie, but I’m too old to travel that far and sit in an audience and clap someone else,” he said.

After returning from acting retirement because “I couldn’t find a television show I wanted to watch everyday”, Sir Michael is starring in new movie Youth and has also filmed bank robbery movie Going In Style with Morgan Freeman and Alan Arkin.

He admitted he has dismissed taking on another movie as he approaches his 83rd birthday, but said he would love to film the story of the Hatton Garden heist alongside Ray Winstone.

“I would do it, yeah, if the script was good. If I was starting that script it would begin extremely funny and then become extremely sinister because those guys are not funny guys, they’re serious criminals. It’s sort of comedy gets Jack Carter in the end,” he said.




..poor Michael, I don't really think he's understood what Spike Lee and others are saying, you can only 'give a good performance' or an Oscar nomination worthy performance if you're given an Oscar nomination worthy role in the first place...and 'those rooms' where all of the roles are cast with the movie executives, finance backers, writers, screen writers, producers etc..are very much 'white' is what Spike is saying...what Michael said about working with Ray Winstone as well, I think that's also a thing, that roles are written for specific actors/actresses just like songs are for music artists ..so if more diverse roles are not there for actors/actresses to show how diverse they themselves can be, then that's going to limit in screenwriters thinking of them when they're writing, or writers thinking of a black actor playing their character...they're not being allowed to fully helped to 'imagine' all possible castings that may be neutral and not specific to being a certain this or that...and not being allowed to imagine them all because of the lack of diverse roles for black actors/actresses, so it's a circle which has to be broken and has to start in those rooms without a monopoly of 'white'...so if a book is looked at to being adapted to a movie and 'neutral' lead characters/great characters/Oscar potential characters are there, there is an equal representation or more representation of voices in those rooms for all actors who could be just as perfect and could give the good performance that is needed because it isn't about meh performances, it's about meh roles compared to the opportunities of white actors ...it's a tough job making a performance good if it just hasn't got that scope of possibility...

[GiRTh]

Just stop being jealous of him TS :flutter:


Oh actually back on topic, seems like Will has spoken up now too

http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/movies/2016/01/21/will-smith-joins-wife-jada-pinkett-smith-oscars-boycott/79107316/

and Reece Witherspoon also commented on it :
http://www.rte.ie/ten/news/2016/0121/761979-will-smith-to-join-in-oscars-boycott/http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/movies/2016/01/22/reese-witherspoon-criticizes-oscars-diversity/79161308/
Reese Witherspoon criticizes Oscars diversity

[Johnnyuk123]

It's now a no win situation because if black actors do get nominated in the furutre people will say it's because they have to be seen as inclusive to all races and meet a certain quota to keep the peace. So the actors themselves will always have that thought at the back of their minds. Was i selected because of my performance or colour etc.

[GiRTh]

It's now a no win situation because if black actors do get nominated in the furutre people will say it's because they have to be seen as inclusive to all races and meet a certain quota to keep the peace. So the actors themselves will always have that thought at the back of their minds. Was i selected because of my performance or colour etc.:facepalm:

You could say that of the next James Bond. It looks like many people dont want the best actor they want an actor who fits into their ethnic image of Bond. Ability seems to be secondary.

[Kazanne]

Charlotte Rampling isn't happy either
http://www.msn.com/en-gb/entertainment/awards/oscars-2016-charlotte-rampling-says-diversity-row-is-racist-to-white-people/ar-BBozavs?li=AAaeUIW?ocid=binganswers

[Johnnyuk123]

It's gonna be very interesting to see who they choose next as the new James Bond. My money is on a chinese midget with tourretts.

[smudgie]

It's gonna be very interesting to see who they choose next as the new James Bond. My money is on a chinese midget with tourretts.

Time we had a Jayne Bond :idc:

[Johnnyuk123]

Time we had a Jayne Bond :idc:

But she must be lesbian to tick that box.:cheer2:

[smudgie]

But she must be lesbian to tick that box.:cheer2:

Suits me.

[Kazanne]

It's gonna be very interesting to see who they choose next as the new James Bond. My money is on a chinese midget with tourretts.

I know the very man who would make an excellent Bond,he's Scottish too.:smug:

[Johnnyuk123]

I know the very man who would make an excellent Bond,he's Scottish too.:smug:

He's the wrong colour.

[GiRTh]

Charlotte Rampling isn't happy either
http://www.msn.com/en-gb/entertainment/awards/oscars-2016-charlotte-rampling-says-diversity-row-is-racist-to-white-people/ar-BBozavs?li=AAaeUIW?ocid=binganswersWell done for finding an interview where she says nothing other than - Perhaps they weren't good enough. The same excuse that was used 10/20/30 years ago :thumbs:

I dont think she's quite got the point.

[Z]

It's a bit ****ty to focus on James Bond. It was written by a white man, writing for white men, about a white man seducing women, firing guns and driving fast cars. The films adapted from that. It is what it is. Hollywood doesn't focus on bringing brand new stories to the forefront, it's more obsessed with franchises for blockbusters, biopics for character transformations and little-guy-facing-adversity type films for the same kind of character transformations that critics love, seeing actors dress up/down and portray a heartbreaking story. I agree that it's unfair that there aren't so many roles for ethnic minorities, but it begs the question, what exactly do we want to see? It would be phoned in to have a black James Bond because of reasons outlined above; it would be better to have original stories, but about what? I think there are some incredible TV producers and actors and actresses who are doing much more to break down racial and gender barriers, and also TV seems to be getting a better budget in general and is becoming more exciting than film anyway... I much prefer investing in a well produced 10 hour long series of something like Game of Thrones or How To Get Away With Murder or Grey's Anatomy or some other huge TV show that will tell a proper story and allow for better character development than a 90 minute long film that lives and dies by its box office takings.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Who is this ho talmbout maybe there weren't enough good black actors, bitch please. Straight outta compton smashed it, Idris and Michael B Jordon. There's no reason why any of those at least couldn't be nominated, specially Michael B when the film was being praised and Stallone was recognized. Wtf is that medicocre film with Steve Carrell. Another wallstreet type with white guys corrupting each other?:sleep: Maybe if we didn't have asswipes like Matt Damon tamlbout blacks in terms of diversity are ok in the casting but not the writers room, things might've been different.

[Anaesthesia]

It's a bit ****ty to focus on James Bond. It was written by a white man, writing for white men, about a white man seducing women, firing guns and driving fast cars. The films adapted from that. It is what it is. Hollywood doesn't focus on bringing brand new stories to the forefront, it's more obsessed with franchises for blockbusters, biopics for character transformations and little-guy-facing-adversity type films for the same kind of character transformations that critics love, seeing actors dress up/down and portray a heartbreaking story. I agree that it's unfair that there aren't so many roles for ethnic minorities, but it begs the question, what exactly do we want to see? It would be phoned in to have a black James Bond because of reasons outlined above; it would be better to have original stories, but about what? I think there are some incredible TV producers and actors and actresses who are doing much more to break down racial and gender barriers, and also TV seems to be getting a better budget in general and is becoming more exciting than film anyway... I much prefer investing in a well produced 10 hour long series of something like Game of Thrones or How To Get Away With Murder or Grey's Anatomy or some other huge TV show that will tell a proper story and allow for better character development than a 90 minute long film that lives and dies by its box office takings.

Beautifully said.

[Z]

Beautifully said.

Thanks :) I dunno, I get why there are so many people getting angry about this but I don't think it's a racism issue as such, it's just a general problem with Hollywood becoming stagnant and obsessed with insane budgets in a kind of parody of the Space Race or something. Audiences don't go to the cinema as much as they used to, the whole industry is becoming unsustainable and as such I find it a bit pointless to be trying to break down barriers in an industry that's ready to collapse anyway. Special effects have been done to death and I haven't personally gone to see a superhero film since the last Christopher Nolan Batman came out because the whole genre is exhausted, but that's what Hollywood wants to spend money on - and if not that, it's extending the shelf life of its existing franchises from Pirates of the Caribbean to Shrek... none of these films are made to impress critics, so the very small remaining space for films which critics (i.e. Academy Awards et al) will give consideration to is a narrow playing field regardless of your race. Everyone bemoans Leonardo DiCaprio not having won an award yet but at least he gets casted in these sorts of films on a regular basis.

I hope more film actors bite the bullet and star gunning for TV roles because there are far more exciting shows on TV than there are films I want to see.

[Kazanne]

He's the wrong colour.

Who cares,lol

[Z]

I also think that there are minorities who actually never get a chance to feature in Hollywood films unlike African-Americans which might be a bit of a stupid thing to point out but I do think is worth considering - take the film Aloha, it was universally panned for whitewashing its cast and rightly so, but I couldn't name you a single actor other than maybe Dwayne Johnson who's a famous Pacific Islander actor. Lucy Liu is one of a very few East Asian faces in Hollywood. Are there even any Indian subcontinent actors? Arab actors?

[Alf]

I also think that there are minorities who actually never get a chance to feature in Hollywood films unlike African-Americans which might be a bit of a stupid thing to point out but I do think is worth considering - take the film Aloha, it was universally panned for whitewashing its cast and rightly so, but I couldn't name you a single actor other than maybe Dwayne Johnson who's a famous Pacific Islander actor. Lucy Liu is one of a very few East Asian faces in Hollywood. Are there even any Indian subcontinent actors? Arab actors?
Dev Patel played the lead role in the 2008 best film winner Slumdog millionaire

[Z]

Dev Patel played the lead role in the 2008 best film winner Slumdog millionaire

Fair point, but then again, that was eight years ago and his career hasn't taken off since then. I'm talking established names - there are none that I can think of right now?

[JoshBB]

Dev Patel played the lead role in the 2008 best film winner Slumdog millionaire

:laugh2:

See, when you have to go back 8 years to find an example.. it usually indicates a minority is under-represented. Also it was a movie set in India.. so it makes sense that they would have an Indian actor. Why do they have to do that only for a role that involves poverty?

Why not just have more southasian main characters? Or even just friends of main characters in all movies?

[Alf]

:laugh2:

See, when you have to go back 8 years to find an example.. it usually indicates a minority is under-represented. Also it was a movie set in India.. so it makes sense that they would have an Indian actor. Why do they have to do that only for a role that involves poverty?

Why not just have more southasian main characters? Or even just friends of main characters in all movies?
I was just giving an answer to the last part of Zs post.

But yeah let's deny it if it's not what you want to hear, I'm fine with that.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Beautifully said.

Look at White applauding whitesplaining. It's like all the condescending people listening to a black person that's experienced racism and then preceding to say but that's not racism this is what racism is and then "explains"

[Ammi]

I also think that there are minorities who actually never get a chance to feature in Hollywood films unlike African-Americans which might be a bit of a stupid thing to point out but I do think is worth considering - take the film Aloha, it was universally panned for whitewashing its cast and rightly so, but I couldn't name you a single actor other than maybe Dwayne Johnson who's a famous Pacific Islander actor. Lucy Liu is one of a very few East Asian faces in Hollywood. Are there even any Indian subcontinent actors? Arab actors?

Dev Patel played the lead role in the 2008 best film winner Slumdog millionaire

..yeah Z, obviously it's all ethnic minorities and not just African-Americans..that's really just specifically being highlighted in this because Spike is such a spokesperson in Hollywood for African- Americans so that's where his focus is...but the example that wanna has said with Dev Patel..that was a movie that could have only been cast with Asian actors, I mean there was no choice in that and that's the same with many ethnic minorities...Jackie Chan, oooo we need a kung foo person..?...that type of thing...so Slumdog won an Oscar and from that Oscar..should have brought a diversity roles for many of the actors but did it..?...I can't see that it did, it's kind of a 'where are they now' type thing and yet it was an Oscar winning movie...whereas with many 'typical 'white' movies that could compare, with unknown actors being cast...that would have meant an opening to their career, that big part/opportunity they had been waiting for in Hollywood, not a thank you very much and now the door is closed, maybe you'll get a bit part every now and then....that's how it seems to me anyway...maybe that also happens to actors/actresses who are not ethnic minority as well but compared to the roles cast there, I would say to a much, much lesser degree....

[Johnnyuk123]

Who cares,lol

Actually Gerard Butler would make a great Bond.But will Smith's wife would defo kick off if he did.:joker:

[Livia]

Anyone see Ice Cube on the Graham Norton Show? He had an interesting point to make. He said you get lots of accolades in the movie business and didn't seem unduly worried that Straight Outta Compton was only nominated for Best Screenplay. He also said:

"How could you be mad because one other academy or guild or whatever didn't say we're No. 1 … It's crying about not having enough icing on your cake."



http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/ice-cube-oscars-never-used-858446

[Tom4784]

The Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences is promising to double its "women and diverse members" in the wake of the Oscars diversity row.

Academy board members unanimously voted to take "historic" action after Spike Lee, Jada Pinkett Smith and Will Smith called for a boycott of the 2016 Oscars because no actors or actresses of colour earned nominations.

In an effort to double its diversity among membership, the Academy will launch a campaign to recruit members from under-represented portions of the filmmaking community.

Three new members of the Academy board of governors will be recruited to increase diverse voices on the council as well.

Also, the voting status of members will now be up for ten year renewals – with three successful renewals guaranteeing lifetime voting rights.

Any member who has been nominated for an Oscar has guaranteed lifetime voting rights.

Meanwhile, members who do not meet the criteria of having their voting rights renewed will be moved to emeritus status where they will "enjoy all the privileges of membership except voting", according to the unanimous Academy decision.

All of these changes will go into effect by 2020 – and will have no impact on this year's Academy Awards ceremony.

Academy President Cheryl Boone Isaacs said today: "The Academy is going to lead and not wait for the industry to catch up.

"These new measures regarding governance and voting will have an immediate impact and begin the process of significantly changing our membership composition."

Today's decision comes as Spotlight​'s Mark Ruffalo, nominated for Best Supporting Actor, and The Big Short​'s Adam Kay, nominated for Best Director, as well as previous Oscar winners George Clooney and Lupita Nyong'o have called for greater diversity among Academy voters.​

On the opposite side of the spectrum, Academy Award nominee Charlotte Rampling criticised the Smiths' planned boycott as 'racist against white people'.

http://www.digitalspy.com/movies/oscars/news/a780995/oscars-diversity-row-academy-promises-to-double-its-number-of-women-and-diverse-members-by-2020/

I think it's an excellent move, When I heard they were going to make changes I was dreading the thought of them adding a quota which would be worse than snubbing actors of colour altogether since it would just be tokenism. Taking steps to diversify the voters themselves is a good move which could bring a big change to Hollywood itself.

[Kizzy]

:clap1: :clap1:

[GiRTh]

Charlotte Rampling now claims her comments were misinterpreted.

http://www.theguardian.com/film/2016/jan/23/charlotte-rampling-i-regret-that-oscars-racism-comment-was-misinterpreted

One pf the quickest back tracks ever.

[Tom4784]

Charlotte Rampling now claims her comments were misinterpreted.

http://www.theguardian.com/film/2016/jan/23/charlotte-rampling-i-regret-that-oscars-racism-comment-was-misinterpreted

One pf the quickest back tracks ever.

Silly bitch.

[Marsh.]

It's gonna be very interesting to see who they choose next as the new James Bond. My money is on a chinese midget with tourretts.

This is the third time you've made this rather unfunny and irrelevant comment.

Why you've grouped black skin in with a list of disabilities is quite telling though.

[GiRTh]

Silly bitch.Yesterday she had plenty to say for herself but apparently today those comments were misinterpreted. Not sure how her comments could have been misinterpreted, yesterday she seemed quite emphatic.

[Marsh.]

Well done for finding an interview where she says nothing other than - Perhaps they weren't good enough. The same excuse that was used 10/20/30 years ago :thumbs:

I dont think she's quite got the point.

Yeah, I don't think it's about them not getting awards. It's more that the Oscars shortlists exposes the large disparity between how many white people head movies and how many non-white people get that opportunity.

[Livia]

Considering some of the stuff Spike Lee's said about white people, Rampling's comment fades into insignificance.

[Marsh.]

I do think it was a case of her misunderstanding the situation. Her original interview implied she hadn't read/heard much about the boycott prior to the interviewer bringing it up and got the wires crossed about what it was about.

[Kizzy]

Considering some of the stuff Spike Lee's said about white people, Rampling's comment fades into insignificance.

I think we all have views on gentrification.

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/02/26/us/new-york-spike-lee-gentrification/

[kirklancaster]

Can someone please tell me just WHAT this thread is about, if it is NOT about the fact that black actors have NOT been nominated for an Oscar for two years running? Please enlighten me.

[arista]

I think we all have views on gentrification.

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/02/26/us/new-york-spike-lee-gentrification/



Yes Spike does not Like our Builders
who buy out local zones to build New High End flats.


Thats OK
he should make a Film on it.

Regeneration
is needed in many Zones


Life In The City

[arista]

Can someone please tell me just WHAT this thread is about, if it is NOT about the fact that black actors have NOT been nominated for an Oscar for two years running? Please enlighten me.


Yes Spike Lee started it off
now a Gang off Actors want to back him.
to Not go to the Oscars
Lack of Black Winners Moan

I say Blacklist* the feckers

* Thats a Business Term Only.

[kirklancaster]

Considering some of the stuff Spike Lee's said about white people, Rampling's comment fades into insignificance.

Spike Lee is a gifted film maker but he has a massive chip on those paranoid shoulders and his frequent bleating does no good to the black cause. Sorry - Just my opinion.

[arista]

Spike Lee is a gifted film maker but he has a massive chip on those paranoid shoulders and his frequent bleating does no good to the black cause. Sorry - Just my opinion.


http://edition.cnn.com/2016/01/18/entertainment/oscars-boycott-spike-lee-jada-pinkett-smith-feat/


Yes he needs to make a Film about This Topic
and add Guns

[Kizzy]

Yes Spike does not Like our Builders
who buy out local zones to build New High End flats.


Thats OK
he should make a Film on it.

Regeneration
is needed in many Zones


Life In The City

He might win an oscar....Oh, wait :/

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Considering some of the stuff Spike Lee's said about white people, Rampling's comment fades into insignificance.
Livia be on the reverse racism ish.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Yes Spike Lee started it off
now a Gang off Actors want to back him.
to Not go to the Oscars
Lack of Black Winners Moan

I say Blacklist* the feckers

* Thats a Business Term Only.

When people feel strongly about an issue, they boycott. End of. In case of big white men they raid a building with big guns and they get sympathy. When it comes to blacks and what they feel strongly about-oh they're exaggerating, ALL LIVES MATTER. Sigh

[Z]

Look at White applauding whitesplaining. It's like all the condescending people listening to a black person that's experienced racism and then preceding to say but that's not racism this is what racism is and then "explains"

I'm pretty offended and annoyed by this comment when my whole post was about how Hollywood is really stale and there's a lack of roles for everyone in general because all Hollywood cares about is investing hundreds of millions in superhero movies and other franchises instead of actually writing original screenplays and writing diverse stories and characters... I find your comment moronic, frankly. I'm not trying to justify white people being given awards.

[GiRTh]

Anyone see Ice Cube on the Graham Norton Show? He had an interesting point to make. He said you get lots of accolades in the movie business and didn't seem unduly worried that Straight Outta Compton was only nominated for Best Screenplay. He also said:

"How could you be mad because one other academy or guild or whatever didn't say we're No. 1 … It's crying about not having enough icing on your cake."



http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/ice-cube-oscars-never-used-858446b3LGAgM32_E

For Livia. Got to point out that Cube only got applause after Hugh Laurie agreed with him.

[Alf]

b3LGAgM32_E

For Livia. Got to point out that Cube only got applause after Hugh Laurie agreed with him.
Audience must be a bunch racists then.

[GiRTh]

Audience must be a bunch racist then.What were they waiting for. I dunno. Do you?

[Alf]

What were they waiting for. I dunno. Do you?
The guy with the applaud card.

[GiRTh]

The guy with the applaud card.He should have held the board up earlier.

[Kizzy]

Got to love the sheeple.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

I'm pretty offended and annoyed by this comment when my whole post was about how Hollywood is really stale and there's a lack of roles for everyone in general because all Hollywood cares about is investing hundreds of millions in superhero movies and other franchises instead of actually writing original screenplays and writing diverse stories and characters... I find your comment moronic, frankly. I'm not trying to justify white people being given awards.

Well I find your post moronic too as it's typical when there's an issue black people bring into attention, people make it about everyone. It can't just focus on the point blacks are trying to make. Another example is I don't know who, maybe Reese Witherspoon, is now talking about lack of roles for women in hollywood and etc. Fair enough, it needs to be discussed, but when gays bring up their issues people give them respect enough to let it be about the gays and how they experience things from their point of view and they give them support. I don't see millions of people jumping on it trying to diminish what they are trying to bring to the forefront. This is just another example of black lives matter...nah ALL lives matter.

[smudgie]

Perhaps wealthy actors, producers and writers etc could sponsor talented black/ ethnic minority writers, then maybe more roles will be written specifically for them. Surely then the natural step would be for all good actors to be given parts judged on their ability to act.:shrug:

[Johnnyuk123]

Well I find your post moronic too as it's typical when there's an issue black people bring into attention, people make it about everyone. It can't just focus on the point blacks are trying to make. Another example is I don't know who, maybe Reese Witherspoon, is now talking about lack of roles for women in hollywood and etc. Fair enough, it needs to be discussed, but when gays bring up their issues people give them respect enough to let it be about the gays and how they experience things from their point of view and they give them support. I don't see millions of people jumping on it trying to diminish what they are trying to bring to the forefront. This is just another example of black lives matter...nah ALL lives matter.

I agree with you. It should be about all races. Another thing that annoys the hell out of me is that this group complain about the use of the N word. They are 100% right to complain about the n word and get it stopped from being used but then you watch a rap song on youtube from major black stars and they use the term over and over again as if it's nothing. If the n word is a big no no then it should not be used by anyone, no one should use that term but to me they think it's ok for them to use the n word but everyone else can't and that goes directly against the point they are trying to make.

[GiRTh]

I agree with you. It should be about all races. Another thing that annoys the hell out of me is that this group complain about the use of the N word. They are 100% right to complain about the n word and get it stopped from being used but then you watch a rap song on youtube from major black stars and they use the term over and over again as if it's nothing. If the n word is a big no no then it should not be used by anyone, no one should use that term but to me they think it's ok for them to use the n word but everyone else can't and that goes directly against the point they are trying to make.For *********ks sake. :facepalm:

If you want to discuss that then start a thread., It has been discussed a few times on this forum.

[Johnnyuk123]

For *********ks sake. :facepalm:

If you want to discuss that then start a thread., It has been discussed a few times on this forum.

I'll post what i want thank you very much.:wavey:

[GiRTh]

I'll post what i want thank you very much.:wavey:Even if you're posting things that have been posted before and thoroughly discredited. OK then if that what you want.

Before I discuss this you need to understand the history of the word . Go do that then meet me back here.
:thumbs:

[Johnnyuk123]

Even if you're posting things that have been posted before and thoroughly discredited. OK then if that what you want.

Before I discuss this you need to understand the history of the word . Go do that then meet me back here.
:thumbs:

No.

[GiRTh]

No.Shame cuz if you understood the history of the word you'd realise why the point you made was so stupid.

[Johnnyuk123]

Shame cuz if you understood the history of the word you'd realise why the point you made was so stupid.

I do understand the word. Just like you understand that attacking forum members on threads is breaking the rules in here.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

I agree with you. It should be about all races. Another thing that annoys the hell out of me is that this group complain about the use of the N word. They are 100% right to complain about the n word and get it stopped from being used but then you watch a rap song on youtube from major black stars and they use the term over and over again as if it's nothing. If the n word is a big no no then it should not be used by anyone, no one should use that term but to me they think it's ok for them to use the n word but everyone else can't and that goes directly against the point they are trying to make.

I didn't say it should be about ALL races. White women want to complain about lack of roles and white men also but it still remains that they get more recognition than blacks do. And white women get paid more than other ethnicities and considered more for roles so no it shouldn't be about ALL races right now. When another group brings in an issue listen to them, they're experiencing it.


About the N word I hate it too but there's a difference between ***** and Ni---r. The difference is that white people have a long history of using that word maliciously to make blacks feel like a quarter of a human being and they still use it.

[GiRTh]

I do understand the word. Just like you understand that attacking forum members on threads is breaking the rules in here.
No you dont cuz if you did then you'd never have asked such a question. You'd already know the answer.

I'm not gonna have this discussion with you until you understand the history and the many meanings of that word. :thumbs:

[Johnnyuk123]

No you dont cuz if you did then you'd never have asked such a question. You'd already know the answer.

I'm not gonna have this discussion with you until you understand the history and the many meanings of that word. :thumbs:

Great!:wavey:

[GiRTh]

Great!:wavey:Whats great?

[Johnnyuk123]

Whats great?

That you are now going to leave me in peace.

[GiRTh]

That you are now going to leave me in peace.Its probably for the best to leave you in peace with your own thoughts.:wavey:

[Johnnyuk123]

Its probably for the best to leave you in peace with your own thoughts.:wavey:

Thank you i appreciate that.:wavey:

[Z]

Well I find your post moronic too as it's typical when there's an issue black people bring into attention, people make it about everyone. It can't just focus on the point blacks are trying to make. Another example is I don't know who, maybe Reese Witherspoon, is now talking about lack of roles for women in hollywood and etc. Fair enough, it needs to be discussed, but when gays bring up their issues people give them respect enough to let it be about the gays and how they experience things from their point of view and they give them support. I don't see millions of people jumping on it trying to diminish what they are trying to bring to the forefront. This is just another example of black lives matter...nah ALL lives matter.

Is it just black people who got shut out of the awards this year? Because I don't see any other minorities there either. It's an issue that affects more than just black people, this is not an issue that's black only and it's offensive to suggest otherwise - Hollywood is an elitist, corrupt and backward institution - that's the real problem. Why are you bringing gay people into it now as if it's any easier for openly gay actors and actresses to get cast in anything? I don't like your militant views.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Is it just black people who got shut out of the awards this year? Because I don't see any other minorities there either. It's an issue that affects more than just black people, this is not an issue that's black only and it's offensive to suggest otherwise - Hollywood is an elitist, corrupt and backward institution - that's the real problem. Why are you bringing gay people into it now as if it's any easier for openly gay actors and actresses to get cast in anything? I don't like your militant views.
Don't even try. Latino's and Asians are also complaining yes. In trying to steer away from the problem you're highlighting it furher. White people and their supremacy needs to stop.

I can include gays if I want because a lot of times people bring blacks into gay issues for comparison purposes.

[Z]

Don't even try. Latino's and Asians are also complaining yes. In trying to steer away from the problem you're highlighting it furher. White people and their supremacy needs to stop.

I can include gays if I want because a lot of times people bring blacks into gay issues for comparison purposes.

I'm specifically trying to highlight the problem :facepalm:................. I agree, white supremacy needs to stop - but considering the original issue was Will Smith throwing a fit because he didn't get nominated for an award when he's a mediocre actor who's beloved because of his charismatic personality, I can't really take it seriously on that level. I think you're just looking for a fight and I don't get why you picked out my post and called me condescending or said I was 'whitesplaining' when I was doing anything but. It's rude.

[Tom4784]

I agree with you. It should be about all races. Another thing that annoys the hell out of me is that this group complain about the use of the N word. They are 100% right to complain about the n word and get it stopped from being used but then you watch a rap song on youtube from major black stars and they use the term over and over again as if it's nothing. If the n word is a big no no then it should not be used by anyone, no one should use that term but to me they think it's ok for them to use the n word but everyone else can't and that goes directly against the point they are trying to make.

Good ****ing grief.

[Alf]

White people and their supremacy needs to stop.Stop what? living?

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Stop what? living?

Su-prem-acy...

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

I'm specifically trying to highlight the problem :facepalm:................. I agree, white supremacy needs to stop - but considering the original issue was Will Smith throwing a fit because he didn't get nominated for an award when he's a mediocre actor who's beloved because of his charismatic personality, I can't really take it seriously on that level. I think you're just looking for a fight and I don't get why you picked out my post and called me condescending or said I was 'whitesplaining' when I was doing anything but. It's rude.

Tsskkkkk

[Alf]

Su-prem-acy...
The most supreme job in the World is currently occupied by a Black man.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

The most supreme job in the World is currently occupied by a Black man.

Oh the you got a black president so all your issues are invalid argument...I was waiting.

[King Gizzard]

I love all of the colours

[Alf]

Oh the you got a black president so all your issues are invalid argument...I was waiting.
Yes that old chestnut.

[Kizzy]

I love all of the colours

Skittles philosophy?

[Ammi]

..this is what Don Cheadle has said...


African-American actor and director Don Cheadle has said the Academy’s planned membership changes to improve diversity are a “step in the right direction”.

The Academy announced a new aim to double the number of female and minority members by 2020.

Three new seats will be added to to its board of governors in an effort to improve diversity, and lifetime voting rights will be limited.

According to US publication Deadline, Don said: “I think it is a step in the right direction, a needed step.”

Speaking at a screening of his new movie Miles Ahead at Sundance Film Festival, he said the problem went beyond the Academy and was a broader issue in the film industry.

“People really have to have access to tell the stories they want to tell. So what we really need is people in positions to greenlight those stories, not a hunk of metal,” he said.

Don, who was nominated in 2005 in the best actor category for his performance in Hotel Rwanda, had previously joked with Oscars host Chris Rock that he was attending the evening as a valet.

After the Oscar nominations were announced, with no ethnic minority actors or actresses on the list, he tweeted:

Academy president Cheryl Boone Isaacs said in a statement on Friday: “The Academy is going to lead and not wait for the industry to catch up. These new measures regarding governance and voting will have an immediate impact.”

She announced plans for an “ambitious, global campaign to identify and recruit qualified new members who represent greater diversity.”

https://uk.celebrity.yahoo.com/post/137874818279/film-star-don-cheadle-oscars-diversity-reforms



..I think this is the whole point really and why the Oscars are being boycotted, it's because they 'represent' and where great performance/great movies etc are acknowledged by the Academy...but it's not about that piece of metal, that statue or any begrudging of not having been nominated...so in a way been confusing for people like Charlotte Rampling, Michael Caine etc...it's more 'well you can't win the lottery unless you're in it' rather than 'how come they won it, I'm more deserving then them'...and right from the ground floor/the decision making of who gets what part, ethnic minorities are not fairly or equally represented and that's where the change is needed and that's where it has to be addressed from an industry like Hollywood, which is a leader...and through this, there are changes/positive changes that are now going to be made, so it's been the perfect place to speak out, for Spike to speak out but maybe also a mixed bag of a misunderstanding of some thinking that his voice has been about there being no black actors/actresses being nominated this year or last year...these things aren't happening because there is just not the equal opportunities for that to be possible...possible 'neutral' roles should be looked at by 'neutral' people, which means a fair representation and not a white monopoly ....

[arista]

[Don Cheadle has said the Academy’s planned
membership changes to improve diversity
are a “step in the right direction”.]

Yes I like Don
Ammi
he works extra hard.

[Ammi]

Well I find your post moronic too as it's typical when there's an issue black people bring into attention, people make it about everyone. It can't just focus on the point blacks are trying to make. Another example is I don't know who, maybe Reese Witherspoon, is now talking about lack of roles for women in hollywood and etc. Fair enough, it needs to be discussed, but when gays bring up their issues people give them respect enough to let it be about the gays and how they experience things from their point of view and they give them support. I don't see millions of people jumping on it trying to diminish what they are trying to bring to the forefront. This is just another example of black lives matter...nah ALL lives matter.

Tsskkkkk

..see, I understand this and I don't think that I always have and been a bit confused sometimes, in that I've sometimes thought that all lives matter because they do and because we don't see skin colour, we see people...but I totally understand, it's just all detracting onto other prejudices and other wrongs but they're not the wrongs that are being highlighted so it's almost like it's being dismissed or becoming lost and diluted...this is about black lives matter, nothing more, nothing less, this is this focus...


..there was another thread recently about views on homosexuality...(I know, I'm making that analogy/sorry..)...but obviously there are still many mind-sets and prejudices there as well..the thing about it for me though, is that prejudice/the focus on any prejudice, which is where the focus should be...(the same as with the focus on black lives matter..)...is always going to be detracted from when people feel as though they're being judged also and prejudiced against..?...because that's just going to cause a defensiveness and voices and words ere then lost...uggghh, I'm not explaining this very well, I have a fuzzy head this morning with a cold..CeeCee, you make me think so much about things, like the racism in professional sport...I had no idea but you really highlighted that and I love your passion and you know how much I respect you ...but it often can feel as though you're shouting at people and shouting down their voices..and in situations like that, it's only going to cause a thing where your points are not being heard and that's such a shame...maybe it's appropriate sometimes and I know that you speak from your heart..(and you have a beautiful heart..)...but it's also detracting from black lives matter and everything that should be important if people are feeling attacked or themselves, prejudiced against....CeeCee, you explain, you explain beautifully and from that there is understanding but with 'tssskkk', all there will remain is defensiveness and voices lost....

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

..see, I understand this and I don't think that I always have and been a bit confused sometimes, in that I've sometimes thought that all lives matter because they do and because we don't see skin colour, we see people...but I totally understand, it's just all detracting onto other prejudices and other wrongs but they're not the wrongs that are being highlighted so it's almost like it's being dismissed or becoming lost and diluted...this is about black lives matter, nothing more, nothing less, this is this focus...


..there was another thread recently about views on homosexuality...(I know, I'm making that analogy/sorry..)...but obviously there are still many mind-sets and prejudices there as well..the thing about it for me though, is that prejudice/the focus on any prejudice, which is where the focus should be...(the same as with the focus on black lives matter..)...is always going to be detracted from when people feel as though they're being judged also and prejudiced against..?...because that's just going to cause a defensiveness and voices and words ere then lost...uggghh, I'm not explaining this very well, I have a fuzzy head this morning with a cold..CeeCee, you make me think so much about things, like the racism in professional sport...I had no idea but you really highlighted that and I love your passion and you know how much I respect you ...but it often can feel as though you're shouting at people and shouting down their voices..and in situations like that, it's only going to cause a thing where your points are not being heard and that's such a shame...maybe it's appropriate sometimes and I know that you speak from your heart..(and you have a beautiful heart..)...but it's also detracting from black lives matter and everything that should be important if people are feeling attacked or themselves, prejudiced against....CeeCee, you explain, you explain beautifully and from that there is understanding but with 'tssskkk', all there will remain is defensiveness and voices lost....
Yea that's the point I'm trying to make opinions are being dismissed. It's like on tumblr, black bloggers starting black out day where black people post pics of themselves and appreciate their features and everything that's beautiful about them. Well there was some white people crying " what about whiteout day, why can't we have whiteout day. White race is beautiful too" weeeeell the response is, every day is whiteout day all around you. Open up a mainstream magazine white features are considered epitome of beauty, articles about black women being ugly are written. If a black woman is called beautiful here's something Eurocentric about her. Simply Google "beautiful people" whites turn up. So yeah...

I kissed my teeth "tsssk" cause I was tired and couldn't be arsed anymore. :laugh:

[lostalex]

why do so many people care about black people all of a sudden? or is this just the press kicking up a fuss over nothing?

[Kizzy]

Yea that's the point I'm trying to make opinions are being dismissed. It's like on tumblr, black bloggers starting black out day where black people post pics of themselves and appreciate their features and everything that's beautiful about them. Well there was some white people crying " what about whiteout day, why can't we have whiteout day. White race is beautiful too" weeeeell the response is, every day is whiteout day all around you. Open up a mainstream magazine white features are considered epitome of beauty, articles about black women being ugly are written. If a black woman is called beautiful here's something Eurocentric about her. Simply Google "beautiful people" whites turn up. So yeah...

I kissed my teeth "tsssk" cause I was tired and couldn't be arsed anymore. :laugh:

Great point ITILYT, we're regressing, in the 70s there were more successful black singers and models than there are today, personally I agree with the whiteout theory.

[Z]

Quite frankly taking out frustration on me personally is fair enough in the grand scheme of things because I'm a white man and you're a black woman, CeeCee, but when we're discussing the particular issue of Will Smith being a brat, it's not relevant and just rude. Fin.

[Kizzy]

Quite frankly taking out frustration on me personally is fair enough in the grand scheme of things because I'm a white man and you're a black woman, CeeCee, but when we're discussing the particular issue of Will Smith being a brat, it's not relevant and just rude. Fin.

Has Will Smith been a brat? I haven't noticed a comment from him.

[Z]

Has Will Smith been a brat? I haven't noticed a comment from him.

This whole controversy sparked off because Will and Jada pointedly said they weren't going because he didn't get a nomination. He's not a good actor, not by Academy standards, I'm amazed he thought he was ever in contention for one - he's firmly in the same category of actors as Jim Carrey - beloved, blockbuster stars, comedians, lovable... but not lauded actors.

[arista]

This whole controversy sparked off because Will and Jada pointedly said they weren't going because he didn't get a nomination. He's not a good actor, not by Academy standards, I'm amazed he thought he was ever in contention for one - he's firmly in the same category of actors as Jim Carrey - beloved, blockbuster stars, comedians, lovable... but not lauded actors.



No Z.
http://6544-presscdn-0-22.pagely.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/spike-lee-2016.jpg
this started day one with Spike Lee
getting political
all the others are sad
hanger on's.


I would blacklist any that refuse to attend
no time for this now
Times Are Hard

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Great point ITILYT, we're regressing, in the 70s there were more successful black singers and models than there are today, personally I agree with the whiteout theory.

:smug:

[Kizzy]

This whole controversy sparked off because Will and Jada pointedly said they weren't going because he didn't get a nomination. He's not a good actor, not by Academy standards, I'm amazed he thought he was ever in contention for one - he's firmly in the same category of actors as Jim Carrey - beloved, blockbuster stars, comedians, lovable... but not lauded actors.

I was Jada alone and she wasn't referring specifically to her husband.

[James]

Maybe the answer is to stop taking the Oscars so seriously. It's only one awards and doesn't reflect what films people like.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Ralph Fiennes cast as Michael Jackson. What were y'all saying about it not making sense for black actors to be cast as fictional characters that were originally white but once again it's shown that Hollywood has no problem casting whites in roles of real people that are black . I don't care if MJ had white skin afterwards, it was due to vitiligo. With all the cgi you could have made it work if you wanted. Heck, some made for to tv MJ movies made it work.
I remember someone's response to one black character someone said it was unrealistic to have a black based on factual history and someone replied here are dragons, godzilla like snakes, and whatever else and yet the only unrealistic thing is that there is a black guy in the movie!:laugh:

[Ammi]

Ralph Fiennes cast as Michael Jackson. What were y'all saying about it not making sense for black actors to be cast as fictional characters that were originally white but once again it's shown that Hollywood has no problem casting whites in roles of real people that are black . I don't care if MJ had white skin afterwards, it was due to vitiligo. With all the cgi you could have made it work if you wanted. Heck, some made for to tv MJ movies made it work.
I remember someone's response to one black character someone said it was unrealistic to have a black based on factual history and someone replied here are dragons, godzilla like snakes, and whatever else and yet the only unrealistic thing is that there is a black guy in the movie!:laugh:

..yeah, I read the headline of this, this morning but don't have time to read the article/why he was chosen for the part...it's really not an obvious casting is it...(I did think of you when I saw the headline, oh Lord..CeeCee is going to have something to say about this..:fist:...)..I'm not making light of it in reality though...it does seem seriously weird casting...

[kirklancaster]

Fiennes as Michael is totally ludicrous and uneccessary, whether - being the fine actor he is - he 'pulls it off' or not, because there must be many black actors who could excel in the role and be far more creditable.

This is DEFINITELY one case where insensitive casting lends weight to the argument on this thread that not enough opportunities exist for black actors.

However, it still does not alter my own pesonal viewpoint that the role of James Bond should remain a white one.

There is a fine character in the Bond books and films who is worthy of being developed by skilful black writers and screenwriters, and given his own films, and his name is;

"Leiter.... Felix Leiter. C.I.A.... Licensed to kill".

He was played by the remarkable black actor Jeffrey Wright in 'Casino Royale', and presents a brilliant opportunity for black writers and actors to create their own 'Bond'.

[bots]

With Bond, I really don't think it matters who plays him now. We all love/hate various Bonds through its history, in a way that forms part of the franchise appeal. Also, as the films are no longer interpretations of the books, there is no context to cast against.

[Johnnyuk123]

Diversity is what all the actors want and now they have it, it should not matter at all what colour this actor is. Diversity is a two way street.

[Marsh.]

Diversity is what all the actors want and now they have it

:umm2:

[kirklancaster]

With Bond, I really don't think it matters who plays him now. We all love/hate various Bonds through its history, in a way that forms part of the franchise appeal. Also, as the films are no longer interpretations of the books, there is no context to cast against.

Well it matters to me, and there is nothing of 'Racism' in my preferrence - I like my tea white without sugar and my coffee black with sugar, because that is what I prefer and what I am used to.

I grew up reading the books and Fleming's Bond will forever remain MY Bond. As I said, I have no objection to any black super spy being created to rival Bond or even imitate him, but there is just NO need - to me - to turn Bond into a black man.

Here is Fleming's image of the James Bond HE created:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/c/c5/Fleming007impression.jpg/200px-Fleming007impression.jpg

[Marsh.]

Well it matters to me, and there is nothing of 'Racism' in my preferrence - I like my tea white without sugar and my coffee black with sugar, because that is what I prefer and what I am used to.

I grew up reading the books and Fleming's Bond will forever remain MY Bond. As I said, I have no objection to any black super spy being created to rival Bond or even imitate him, but there is just NO need - to me - to turn Bond into a black man.

Here is Fleming's image of the James Bond HE created:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/c/c5/Fleming007impression.jpg/200px-Fleming007impression.jpg

Looks absolutely nothing like Daniel Craig. :idc:

[kirklancaster]

Looks absolutely nothing like Daniel Craig. :idc:

But a lot more like Daniel Craig than Idris Elba or Will Smith don't you think?

[Marsh.]

But a lot more like Daniel Craig than Idris Elba or Will Smith don't you think?

It's a black and white drawing I couldn't be sure. :fan:

[Niamh.]

But a lot more like Daniel Craig than Idris Elba or Will Smith don't you think?

Looks more like Idris Elba to me :idc:

http://www.flickeringmyth.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/Idris-Elba-James-Bond-600x937.jpg

[kirklancaster]

Looks more like Idris Elba to me :idc:

http://www.flickeringmyth.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/Idris-Elba-James-Bond-600x937.jpg

Should've gone to specsavers Niamh - and take Marsh with you. :smug:

(BTW - I look more like Idris Elba.)

[Marsh.]

And unlike Daniel Craig, he doesn't get fat on his days off. :fan:

[Niamh.]

Should've gone to specsavers Niamh - and take Marsh with you. :smug:

(BTW - I look more like Idris Elba.)

Seriously though a part from the colour of his skin, his face has very similar shaped features to that drawing, even the ears :laugh:

[Marsh.]

James Bond is supposed to be very well endowed. Obviously a black guy.

[kirklancaster]

And unlike Daniel Craig, he doesn't get fat on his days off. :fan:

:laugh: That's being 'Fattist' and is frowned upon on here on every thread which has nothing to do with Gemma Collins. :nono:

[Johnnyuk123]

Diversity in action ...
http://cache2.asset-cache.net/gc/73139914-shanghai-china-a-chinese-man-walks-past-a-gettyimages.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=jfDz%2FykFEFSpIImuDCCv9vgTnyTSJAaLRdoUnTLAItmezK qQnfS%2BVCyjTPx1cxlL

[Tom4784]

Ralph Fiennes being cast as Micheal Jackson is ridiculous.

[Niamh.]

Ralph Fiennes being cast as Micheal Jackson is ridiculous.

I had to google that to see if you were being serious............but James Bond a fictional secret agent being black is an issue :shocked:

ETA :Joseph Fiennes Dezzy

[Tom4784]

I had to google that to see if you were being serious............but James Bond a fictional secret agent being black is an issue :shocked:

ETA :Joseph Fiennes Dezzy

Ooops, wrong brother.

[Ryan57]

Ralph Fiennes cast as Michael Jackson. What were y'all saying about it not making sense for black actors to be cast as fictional characters that were originally white but once again it's shown that Hollywood has no problem casting whites in roles of real people that are black . I don't care if MJ had white skin afterwards, it was due to vitiligo. With all the cgi you could have made it work if you wanted. Heck, some made for to tv MJ movies made it work.
I remember someone's response to one black character someone said it was unrealistic to have a black based on factual history and someone replied here are dragons, godzilla like snakes, and whatever else and yet the only unrealistic thing is that there is a black guy in the movie!:laugh:

It's a joke. MJ fans hate the idea.

The whole film will make a mockery of all three of MJ, Marlon Brando and Liz Taylor. Even more so given the the road trip on 9/11 story is nonsense.

Finnes hasn't helped matters by saying he doesn't see the issue given MJ was closer to his colour than black in latter years.

[arista]

Ryan
because its on SkyArts1HD
they can change anything around
in the name of Art

[arista]

Ralph Fiennes being cast as Micheal Jackson is ridiculous.


Yes
but giving SkyArts1HD
massive PR.

[Ammi]

Ryan
because its on SkyArts1HD
they can change anything around
in the name of Art

...strange though that it's not thought that these things can be changed around in the name of art if say Will Smith were to play John Lennon, is the point Arista..and something that has been said all through the thread...a real life white person can not be played by a black actor..so the reverse would be the same...and yet, here we are....

[arista]

...strange though that it's not thought that these things can be changed around in the name of art if say Will Smith were to play John Lennon, is the point Arista..and something that has been said all through the thread...a real life white person can not be played by a black actor..so the reverse would be the same...and yet, here we are....


Yes Fair Points
but on a Art Channel
they would do Will Smith as J.L.

Because its not Mainstream
meaning they can get away with that.
As its more like a Play on Stage
for Fellow Artists to view.

[Ammi]

Yes Fair Points
but on a Art Channel
they would do Will Smith as J.L.

Because its not Mainstream
meaning they can get away with that.
As its more like a Play on Stage
for Fellow Artists to view.



...I'm just thinking about stage plays now and the huge Broadway/West End productions/successes...so Jesus Christ Superstar should have always been an all black cast for authenticity...because Nazareth and back in the day etc, there couldn't possibly have been 'white'...hmmmm, we need to look that up Arista, all of the castings for those since it was first on the stage...I'll have to leave that up to you if you have time because I'm off to work now....have a lovely day Arista...

[kirklancaster]

There is NOTHING more unintentionally hilarious than watching old movies - even some of the great ones - and seeing white actors portraying black characters, or American Indians or Indians etc -- though these were usually minor roles and extras etc.

The exceptions which spring to mind are Marlon Brando in 'Teahouse of The August Moon' where he played a Japanese character, Mickey Rooney, who did the same in 'Blekfast at Tiffanies' :hehe:, and Jeffrey Hunter playing Christ in 'King of Kings'. There are probably hundreds more but I can't be bothered googling. :laugh:

Anyway, the point is, that it is ludicrous, and though they may be excuses with some really old films when 'ethnic' actors were 'thin on the ground, it seems that we have learnt NOTHING.

Fiennes is a fine actor, but the whole MJ idea is preposterous and I believe that it is doomed to be tomorrow's 'Mr. Yunioshi' - the Japanese character Rooney portrayed in Breakfast At Tiffanies' -- embarrassing and laughable.

[Ryan57]

Ryan
because its on SkyArts1HD
they can change anything around
in the name of Art

I have no idea whatsoever what you are meaning. 'they can change anything around in the name of Art' wtf? How is it art to make a mockery of three dead people in a fabricated story?

Fiennes is an idiot as well. His defending of the film was downright disrespectful. He also says he did research on MJ, yet the moron said he doesn't even know if the story is real or not. Great research...

[arista]

I have no idea whatsoever what you are meaning. 'they can change anything around in the name of Art' wtf? How is it art to make a mockery of three dead people in a fabricated story?

Fiennes is an idiot as well. His defending of the film was downright disrespectful. He also says he did research on MJ yet the moron said he doesn't even know if the story is real or not. Great research.

Yes a Surreal Story Line
"Shocking" to some.

That Actor was wise to take the gig
as he gets paid.
There are times when Actors refuse parts
and no money pays their home bills.
Thats is scary.


Also Unless you were lucky
enough to speak to that actor
what you read is more
words from his manager
making sure he is not
entangled on confusion.


And No Mockery was intended

[Johnnyuk123]

Diversity...
http://images.moviepostershop.com/white-chicks-movie-poster-2004-1020251874.jpg

http://www.debbieschlussel.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/thewizlive.jpg

http://wpc.556e.edgecastcdn.net/80556E/img.site/PHu0ZvDdgTboxB_1_m.jpg

http://media.comicbook.com/uploads1/2014/10/michael-b-jordan-human-torch-1-108462.jpg

All of the above movies were very good movies regardless of colour. Why is it only deemed an issue if it's a white actor playing a black character?
Diversity after all is a two way street so movie roles should be open to everyone regardless of race, colour, gender etc.

[arista]

"Diversity..."


SkyArts1HD


Bang On Right Johnny

[bots]

I have no idea whatsoever what you are meaning. 'they can change anything around in the name of Art' wtf? How is it art to make a mockery of three dead people in a fabricated story?

Fiennes is an idiot as well. His defending of the film was downright disrespectful. He also says he did research on MJ, yet the moron said he doesn't even know if the story is real or not. Great research...

I think you are missing the point a bit. Characters can be put in any situation, real or imaginary, there is no requirement for the story to reflect real life events.

Also Jackson himself was a dichotomy. He spent his whole life trying to look like a white man, and in the end whether it be by skin disease or not, did look more white than black

[Tom4784]

Diversity...
http://images.moviepostershop.com/white-chicks-movie-poster-2004-1020251874.jpg

http://www.debbieschlussel.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/thewizlive.jpg

http://wpc.556e.edgecastcdn.net/80556E/img.site/PHu0ZvDdgTboxB_1_m.jpg

http://media.comicbook.com/uploads1/2014/10/michael-b-jordan-human-torch-1-108462.jpg

All of the above movies were very good movies regardless of colour. Why is it only deemed an issue if it's a white actor playing a black character?
Diversity after all is a two way street so movie roles should be open to everyone regardless of race, colour, gender etc.

Because the majority will always have more opportunities than the minority so Micheal B. Jordan playing Human Torch isn't taking an opportunity away from a white person because 90% of Superhero roles will go to white people. White people don't need more representation, we are the majority and we reap a lot of benefits because of that.

Denying the issue doesn't make it go away, all you are doing by trying to say that it's not an issue is burying your head in the sand because it makes you uncomfortable.

[Johnnyuk123]

Because the majority will always have more opportunities than the minority so Micheal B. Jordan playing Human Torch isn't taking an opportunity away from a white person because 90% of Superhero roles will go to white people. White people don't need more representation, we are the majority and we reap a lot of benefits because of that.

Denying the issue doesn't make it go away, all you are doing by trying to say that it's not an issue is burying your head in the sand because it makes you uncomfortable.

So you do not agree that diversity is a two way street?

[Ryan57]

Yes a Surreal Story Line
"Shocking" to some.

That Actor was wise to take the gig
as he gets paid.
There are times when Actors refuse parts
and no money pays their home bills.
Thats is scary.


Also Unless you were lucky
enough to speak to that actor
what you read is more
words from his manager
making sure he is not
entangled on confusion.


And No Mockery was intended

Fiennes told Entertainment Tonight about his supposed research and not knowing if the story was true. Not his manager.

No mockery? The little we know of the story is mockery. The fairytale included Marlon Brando constantly wanting to stop for fast food. Fiennes said the story is 'light hearted'. I dread to think what drivel will come up.

I think you are missing the point a bit. Characters can be put in any situation, real or imaginary, there is no requirement for the story to reflect real life events.

Also Jackson himself was a dichotomy. He spent his whole life trying to look like a white man, and in the end whether it be by skin disease or not, did look more white than black

Are you serious? The level of ignorance is astounding. He didn't want to turn white. Why the heck would he? He broke racial barriers on MTV and Thriller made him the King of Pop. He was the biggest artist on the planet. Yet then this black man decides, 'I'll turn white'?

He so wants to be white that in 1991 his Dangerous album is a New Jack Swing album, FFS. That's really the type of album a man wanting to be white would release.

Stop believing everything you read.

[bots]

Fiennes told Entertainment Tonight about his supposed research and not knowing if the story was true. Not his manager.

No mockery? The little we know of the story is mockery. The fairytale included Marlon Brando constantly wanting to stop for fast food. Fiennes said the story is 'light hearted'. I dread to think what drivel will come up.



Are you serious? The level of ignorance is astounding. He didn't want to turn white. Why the heck would he? He broke racial barriers on MTV and Thriller made him the King of Pop. He was the biggest artist on the planet. Yet then this black man decides, 'I'll turn white'?

He so wants to be white that in 1991 his Dangerous album is a New Jack Swing album, FFS. That's really the type of album a man wanting to be white would release.

Stop believing everything you read.

No need for such aggression. I'm not alone with my view

[Ryan57]

No need for such aggression. I'm not alone with my view

Of course you're not. Tons of people believe everything they hear. The majority of things written about MJ weren't true.

His autopsy report clearly states he had vitiligo. There is no reason why he'd want to change his skin to white. He was proud of his heritage.

[Kizzy]

I understand your frustration Ryan how can it be that it is accepted that a character based on an actual person be portrayed as a different ethnicity to the one known, and the issue of James Bond a fictional character can't be as it would be too confusing and not fit in with his back story?!

[Ryan57]

I understand your frustration Ryan how can it be that it is accepted that a character based on an actual person be portrayed as a different ethnicity to the one known, and the issue of James Bond a fictional character can't be as it would be too confusing and not fit in with his back story?!

I think you got me confused with Kirk? I didn't say that. :p

[Kazanne]

Of course you're not. Tons of people believe everything they hear. The majority of things written about MJ weren't true.

His autopsy report clearly states he had vitiligo. There is no reason why he'd want to change his skin to white. He was proud of his heritage.

:clap1::clap1::clap1::worship:

[Kizzy]

I think you got me confused with Kirk? I didn't say that. :p

No, trust me I haven't. I'm sorry should have said I understand your frustration at the comments like 'he wanted to be white'.
The rest is just my reaction to this information about MJ based on what was said regarding JB earlier in the thread.

[Ryan57]

:clap1::clap1::clap1::worship:

https://45.media.tumblr.com/b467311751a51597df0fcda71770b654/tumblr_n2evz6SSAe1qjpigho1_500.gif

No, trust me I haven't. I'm sorry should have said I understand your frustration at the comments like 'he wanted to be white'.
The rest is just my reaction to this information about MJ based on what was said regarding JB earlier in the thread.

Oh right. No worries.

[Niamh.]

[/B]

So you do not agree that diversity is a two way street?

You don't need a solution to something that isn't a problem and roles for white people aren't a problem

[GiRTh]

Diversity...
http://images.moviepostershop.com/white-chicks-movie-poster-2004-1020251874.jpg

http://www.debbieschlussel.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/thewizlive.jpg

http://wpc.556e.edgecastcdn.net/80556E/img.site/PHu0ZvDdgTboxB_1_m.jpg

http://media.comicbook.com/uploads1/2014/10/michael-b-jordan-human-torch-1-108462.jpg

All of the above movies were very good movies regardless of colour. Why is it only deemed an issue if it's a white actor playing a black character?
Diversity after all is a two way street so movie roles should be open to everyone regardless of race, colour, gender etc.I have no idea what point you are trying to make here? are you saying it isn't two way? Posters in this thread have instructed you of many many films where ethnically neutral characters have been played by Caucasian actors so by giving a few random examples of the opposite, what point do you think you have made?

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Looking at Will Smith's movie I am even more surprised he wasn't nominated. With football (their version) being so huge there you would think that the story of the guy who discovered that many footballers had brain disease would be important. If the doctor in question was white I know this would have gotten the actor a nomination.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Diversity is what all the actors want and now they have it, it should not matter at all what colour this actor is. Diversity is a two way street.

Diversity is not taking the few roles black actors can play.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Diversity...
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All of the above movies were very good movies regardless of colour. Why is it only deemed an issue if it's a white actor playing a black character?
Diversity after all is a two way street so movie roles should be open to everyone regardless of race, colour, gender etc.

You must have missed all the people calling Quvenzhane a little n8gger. And all the people threatening to boycott Star Wars because there would be a black character forgetting the creator of this is married to a black person.

Diversity is not a two way street in this instance. White people have got to stop acting like the balance is 50/50. This is just white people regressing to excuse pushing out the few blacks that make it more and more.

[lostalex]

You don't need a solution to something that isn't a problem and roles for white people aren't a problem

it is a problem though. there are roles that white people aren't given the chance to play. It's not a problem on the grand scale, but on a smaller scale there are theaters that only cast black actors, so on the smaller scale it is a problem.

[lostalex]

Looking at Will Smith's movie I am even more surprised he wasn't nominated. With football (their version) being so huge there you would think that the story of the guy who discovered that many footballers had brain disease would be important. If the doctor in question was white I know this would have gotten the actor a nomination.

Why would football fans want to watch a movie that is knocking and criticizing their favorite sport?

[Johnnyuk123]

You must have missed all the people calling Quvenzhane a little n8gger. And all the people threatening to boycott Star Wars because there would be a black character forgetting the creator of this is married to a black person.

No, i saw all of that too. I also saw people kick off at Ben Afflick when he was given the role as the next Batman and they too threatened to boycot the movie because he was chosen. I also recently watched the movie the hatefull 8 and as the opening credits rolled the first name on screen was a black actors name,he was also the leading actor in this movie. Samuel L Jackson played the lead role in the hatefull 8 and he was brilliant in this movie which goes directly against those suggesting only white actors get the lead roles. I'm sure i will get the but thats just one movie quote thrown back at me for pointing out something positive as people only want to talk about the negative stuff in here.

Diversity is not a two way street in this instance. White people have got to stop acting like the balance is 50/50. This is just white people regressing to excuse pushing out the few blacks that make it more and more.

This is where we disagree. I believe that diversity is a two way street. EVERYONE should be given equal opportunity and that includes ALL the different people of race for ALL movie roles.
I agree with you on the balance of things right now not being 50/50 but to generalize and say white folk need to stop pushing out blacks is a cheap shot. I do not believe that ALL white people are like that. I also disagree with you that only black actors are being treated this way. Many races are treated this way and NOT just one race in the movie industry.

[lostalex]

Diversity...
http://images.moviepostershop.com/white-chicks-movie-poster-2004-1020251874.jpg

http://www.debbieschlussel.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/thewizlive.jpg

http://wpc.556e.edgecastcdn.net/80556E/img.site/PHu0ZvDdgTboxB_1_m.jpg

http://media.comicbook.com/uploads1/2014/10/michael-b-jordan-human-torch-1-108462.jpg

All of the above movies were very good movies regardless of colour. Why is it only deemed an issue if it's a white actor playing a black character?
Diversity after all is a two way street so movie roles should be open to everyone regardless of race, colour, gender etc.


actually all of those movies were terrible....

[Johnnyuk123]

actually all of those movies were terrible....

:joker: Get lost.:joker:

[Ryan57]

“I got the script the other day,” Fiennes explained to WENN.

...

But according to the British production cable channel Sky Arts, the casting is a done deal, as the half-hour comedy was shot last year. Though a story surfaced this week quoting Fiennes as if he just received the script “the other day”, the project is already in post-production.

Fiennes is an absolute prick. The whole thing stinks. Racism and a comedy about trying to escape on 9/11... how hilarious. Sky may as well air it on 9/11 to complete the joke they've created. All three of MJ, Brando and Taylor would be ashamed if they were alive.

A black man would never be given the role of playing Elvis Presley.

[Shaun]

actually all of those movies were terrible....

I was gonna say (but I haven't seen the Wiz, whatever that is). White Chicks was OK though.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Sly Stallone be like ''if you don't want me to go [to the oscars] I won't go'' :laugh: nah dude, that sounds like you want to go.If you really didn't and wanted to take a stand you wouldn't have said that. Go get your oscar dude, you owe it to Rocky 4 and Creed. :laugh: