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Ninastar
25-02-2016, 04:48 AM
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-apple-encryption-timcook-idUSKCN0VX2QO
Is it just me who thinks this is ridiculous? This could link the FBI to other terrorists in America who could be a threat to people in surrounding areas... I thought the FBI had the right to look through peoples phones anyway?
Jack_
25-02-2016, 04:53 AM
Apple are absolutely right to take a stand against this.
Here's the full letter for anyone who hasn't read it yet:
http://www.apple.com/customer-letter/
Apple are absolutely right to take a stand against this.
Here's the full letter for anyone who hasn't read it yet:
http://www.apple.com/customer-letter/
Wow :clap1:
Mind you - can the government say "lol nice, but we're going to make you do it anyway?"
kirklancaster
25-02-2016, 05:59 AM
Apple is rotten to the core on this issue. They give me the pip.
jennyjuniper
25-02-2016, 06:46 AM
I suppose it's a question of which you value more, privacy or safety? I'll go for safety every time.
The problem that Apple has is that if they built a mechanism that could get round the security of the devices, all their devices are then at risk. Its not something that can apply to only one device. Therefore, the security is then lost on the millions of Apple devices.
I think Apple were correct to say no.
arista
25-02-2016, 08:22 AM
It should have been
done in secret, not in Public
kirklancaster
25-02-2016, 08:35 AM
If Apple have such concerns, then THEY themselves should investigate and collate and pass a report of their full findings over to the security services.
Simple, isn't it?
Tom4784
25-02-2016, 10:53 AM
Apple are justified in their response, a tool like that WOULD be abused and it shouldn't exist.
It honestly depresses me how people are so willing to give up their own freedoms when it comes to Terrorism which is ironically what the terrorists want. The FBI is obviously just using this case as an excuse to get their hands on a tool that would allow them to invade anyone's privacy even more so than they do already.
Apple are absolutely right to take a stand against this.
Here's the full letter for anyone who hasn't read it yet:
http://www.apple.com/customer-letter/
This, the FBI can look through people's phones that's if they can manage to crack an iPhone lock
Marsh.
25-02-2016, 11:05 AM
If Apple have such concerns, then THEY themselves should investigate and collate and pass a report of their full findings over to the security services.
Simple, isn't it?
But they don't want to create the back door to begin with because it would have consequences beyond this one case.
If Apple have such concerns, then THEY themselves should investigate and collate and pass a report of their full findings over to the security services.
Simple, isn't it?
They don't have the methods at the moment to do it, that's why their devices are secure. To change that, they would need to alter their system software to create a back door in it to allow the security to be bypassed. Clearly not something that is sensible to do.
Livia
25-02-2016, 03:01 PM
Not to terrorists, paedophiles, criminals and scumbags of all kinds: Apple will protect you while the security services struggle to protect the rest of us.
Never been more glad to have got rid of my iPhone.
kirklancaster
25-02-2016, 03:54 PM
Not to terrorists, paedophiles, criminals and scumbags of all kinds: Apple will protect you while the security services struggle to protect the rest of us.
Never been more glad to have got rid of my iPhone.
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Tom4784
25-02-2016, 04:14 PM
Not to terrorists, paedophiles, criminals and scumbags of all kinds: Apple will protect you while the security services struggle to protect the rest of us.
Never been more glad to have got rid of my iPhone.
It's naive to think that this 'master key' wouldn't be abused. the NSA regularly infringe on people's rights to privacy so why should anyone trust another government agency with a tool that would essentially allow them to hack anyone with an iphone?
It saddens me beyond belief that all it takes is to breath the word 'Terrorists' or 'Peadophiles' and people will be willing to sign their rights away blindly. This master key isn't about stopping terrorism, that's just the excuse to try to convince Apple to create it, governments have been using the terrorist excuse to pull bad **** for years and we let them.
Northern Monkey
25-02-2016, 04:37 PM
I can understand Apple's decision.They need their customers to know or atleast think that their personal info is safe when stored in their devices.It would damage their product if people thought the NSA/CIA/FBI had access to it(even though they probably do anyway).If Apple are seen to be giving peoples security away then people would stop buying their products.It is more than likely purely a business decision.
hijaxers
25-02-2016, 04:43 PM
Apple is rotten to the core on this issue. They give me the pip.
Kirk i've been involved in a similar prob - obv no where near as serious but my neighbour died and family along with myself believe his Thai wife has disposed of his will which i witnessed in Feb last year (he passed in April) she changed all his passwords before we got his phone back from the hosp and we believe there was damming info on the phone , we have been to apple who basically told us to piss off ! consequently we are at about the £5,000 mark now with solicitors and we are applying to have the will re constructed and that will be about another £5,000 before we are finished ! just to stop this evil cow taking everything. Apple have made things so difficult and very expensive.
kirklancaster
25-02-2016, 04:54 PM
Kirk i've been involved in a similar prob - obv no where near as serious but my neighbour died and family along with myself believe his Thai wife has disposed of his will which i witnessed in Feb last year (he passed in April) she changed all his passwords before we got his phone back from the hosp and we believe there was damming info on the phone , we have been to apple who basically told us to piss off ! consequently we are at about the £5,000 mark now with solicitors and we are applying to have the will re constructed and that will be about another £5,000 before we are finished ! just to stop this evil cow taking everything. Apple have made things so difficult and very expensive.
This is disgusting Jax, and surely akin to potential 'aiding and abetting' a crime?
I am sure that allowing a one-off accessing of this phone does not constitute some 'backdoor' threat to Apple's security, and there has to be a way of accessing it.
This company are coming out of all this with definite damage to their reputation in my opinion.
I wish you luck Jax and hope that you nail the devious gold-digging bitch.
kirklancaster
25-02-2016, 04:57 PM
But they don't want to create the back door to begin with because it would have consequences beyond this one case.
But EVERYONE has to have a back door Marsh - otherwise how can Keith Lemmon get to 'Bang Them In"? :hee:
and yet people take issue when their details get hacked on line, or get morally upset when voice mail messages are hacked. You can't have it both ways
Mystic Mock
25-02-2016, 06:57 PM
Apple are justified in their response, a tool like that WOULD be abused and it shouldn't exist.
It honestly depresses me how people are so willing to give up their own freedoms when it comes to Terrorism which is ironically what the terrorists want. The FBI is obviously just using this case as an excuse to get their hands on a tool that would allow them to invade anyone's privacy even more so than they do already.
Exactly Dezzy, I (like most people) like my stuff to remain private, I don't think that most people want some strangers using a terrorist threat as an excuse to scrummage through their stuff.
I suppose it's a question of which you value more, privacy or safety? I'll go for safety every time.
Except that if our privacy is at risk then all safety goes out the window.
Marsh.
25-02-2016, 07:37 PM
But EVERYONE has to have a back door Marsh - otherwise how can Keith Lemmon get to 'Bang Them In"? :hee:
You filthy minded heathen. :nono:
Livia
22-03-2016, 06:28 PM
"The FBI says it may have found a way to unlock the San Bernardino attacker's iPhone without Apple's assistance.
A court hearing with Apple scheduled for Tuesday has been postponed at the request of the US Justice Department (DOJ), Apple has confirmed.
The DOJ had ordered Apple to help unlock the phone used by San Bernardino gunman Rizwan Farook.
But Apple has continued to fight the order, saying it would set a "dangerous precedent".
Rizwan Farook and his wife killed 14 people in San Bernardino, California, last December before police fatally shot them."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-35868322
Bad news for Apple and terrorists everywhere.
Tom4784
22-03-2016, 06:55 PM
Awful news.
It really bothers me how people can side with the FBI in this issue. We're lucky to have the freedoms and privacy we have yet people are willing to give it up for a false sense of security. People take their rights for granted and it's sickening, countless people have died for us to have the freedoms we do, to welcome news like this is to piss on their sacrifice.
its not confirmed. At the moment its no more than words. Kaspersky has previously said he would do it, but is also known for spinning a story or two.
They should let the FBI do it or whatever
There's nothing interesting on my phone anyway if they wanted to hack it
People should NOT side with the FBI in this
It's disgusting and they're just going to use this to invade people's privacy. Vile.
zakman440
22-03-2016, 08:52 PM
John Oliver pretty much nailed this topic in this segment last week:
https://www.facebook.com/LastWeekTonight/videos/858905877571756/
Awful news.
It really bothers me how people can side with the FBI in this issue. We're lucky to have the freedoms and privacy we have yet people are willing to give it up for a false sense of security. People take their rights for granted and it's sickening, countless people have died for us to have the freedoms we do, to welcome news like this is to piss on their sacrifice.
Meh, countless people were forced to fight and sent to die by arseholes playing war games, it has **** all to do with the individuals decisions..
Mokka
22-03-2016, 09:05 PM
John Oliver pretty much nailed this topic in this segment last week:
https://www.facebook.com/LastWeekTonight/videos/858905877571756/
omg yes he did.... I saw that episode... didn't think anyone else on here followed him
If the FBI are doing it with their own means then I don't see much of a problem. They're no longer forcing Apple to let them in, they're just using their own technology to learn more about a piece of evidence that was discovered with a terrorist - is that so outrageous?
If the FBI are doing it with their own means then I don't see much of a problem. They're no longer forcing Apple to let them in, they're just using their own technology to learn more about a piece of evidence that was discovered with a terrorist - is that so outrageous?
No its not, and if they do break into it, it will force Apple to make it even more secure, so that's a win for me
Ninastar
22-03-2016, 10:53 PM
"The FBI says it may have found a way to unlock the San Bernardino attacker's iPhone without Apple's assistance.
A court hearing with Apple scheduled for Tuesday has been postponed at the request of the US Justice Department (DOJ), Apple has confirmed.
The DOJ had ordered Apple to help unlock the phone used by San Bernardino gunman Rizwan Farook.
But Apple has continued to fight the order, saying it would set a "dangerous precedent".
Rizwan Farook and his wife killed 14 people in San Bernardino, California, last December before police fatally shot them."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-35868322
Bad news for Apple and terrorists everywhere.
Brilliant!
Shaun
22-03-2016, 11:04 PM
yeah you best hope all that googling of "dead babies" doesn't come back to bite you in the ass you right-wing bitch
(just remembered you don't have an iphone i don't think but oh well)
Ninastar
22-03-2016, 11:06 PM
lmfao i'm not right wing
I just think that when someone commits a crime as awful as they have, they should have all rights taken away and that's including whether their phone gets searched legally or not. :shrug:
lmfao i'm not right wing
I just think that when someone commits a crime as awful as they have, they should have all rights taken away and that's including whether their phone gets searched legally or not. :shrug:
What the FBI are saying though, is that because that 1 man did something wrong, everyone should have their rights to privacy taken away from them and that's completely playing in to the terrorists hands, reducing our hard earned freedoms.
Mokka
23-03-2016, 06:35 AM
What the FBI are saying though, is that because that 1 man did something wrong, everyone should have their rights to privacy taken away from them and that's completely playing in to the terrorists hands, reducing our hard earned freedoms.
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Very aptly put
...yeah I have to say that I'm with Apple on this...the FBI may feel that they have justification because of whose phone they intend to hack, if they succeed in hacking it because of what Rizwan Farook did and who he is...but surely it has to be 'one rule for all', even in the case of crimes...would it be right if someone were completely innocent of a crime but there could be something on their phone that could be perceived as incriminating if construed in a particular way that prosecutors may slant it...
GiRTh
24-03-2016, 08:17 PM
There are so many holes in the official account I applaud Apple for takng this stance.
DemolitionRed
24-03-2016, 09:02 PM
The problem that Apple has is that if they built a mechanism that could get round the security of the devices, all their devices are then at risk. Its not something that can apply to only one device. Therefore, the security is then lost on the millions of Apple devices.
I think Apple were correct to say no.
Exactly. I'm so glad Apple is standing firm on this and that its keeping its customers informed of the potential security risks.
DemolitionRed
24-03-2016, 09:10 PM
lmfao i'm not right wing
I just think that when someone commits a crime as awful as they have, they should have all rights taken away and that's including whether their phone gets searched legally or not. :shrug:
Apple said;
The government suggests this tool could only be used once, on one phone. But that’s simply not true. Once created, the technique could be used over and over again, on any number of devices. In the physical world, it would be the equivalent of a master key, capable of opening hundreds of millions of locks — from restaurants and banks to stores and homes. No reasonable person would find that acceptable.
Ninastar
24-03-2016, 09:48 PM
What the FBI are saying though, is that because that 1 man did something wrong, everyone should have their rights to privacy taken away from them and that's completely playing in to the terrorists hands, reducing our hard earned freedoms.
Yeah I get that and I'm not saying that someone innocent should lose their privacy rights, I was on about people who are guilty of murder/terrorism etc :shrug:
All I'm saying is that I don't give a flying **** about what happens to a murderer/terrorist... They shouldn't have the 'right' to have their phone kept safe when there could easily be information on there that could harm a lot of people.
In what way is going through a terrorists mobile phone worse than going through their computers and hard drive? The authorities have had the power to do that for years. You could even ask why is it worse than going through their homes and their personal belongings?
In what way is going through a terrorists mobile phone worse than going through their computers and hard drive? The authorities have had the power to do that for years. You could even ask why is it worse than going through their homes and their personal belongings?
Its not of course. If the terrorists computer hard drive is protected by encryption and a password, they would have exactly the same issue.
Not only does what the FBI want to do compromise the Apple operating system, it sets a precedent; that they want the ability to bypass all encryption across the board. That places all individuals privacy at risk.
If a terrorist had written the information on a piece of paper and then burnt it, it would be lost, and accepted as such
The knock on aspects of this are huge.
kirklancaster
25-03-2016, 07:00 AM
If the FBI are doing it with their own means then I don't see much of a problem. They're no longer forcing Apple to let them in, they're just using their own technology to learn more about a piece of evidence that was discovered with a terrorist - is that so outrageous?
In what way is going through a terrorists mobile phone worse than going through their computers and hard drive? The authorities have had the power to do that for years. You could even ask why is it worse than going through their homes and their personal belongings?
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