Macedonia Border is blocking Greece Migrants

[arista]

For around 5 days.

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2016/2/29/449918/default/v1/cegrab-20160229-105043-0-1-736x414.jpg

[Macedonian police have fired tear
gas after migrants and refugees
broke through a gate on
the country's border with Greece.
Thousands of people have been
stuck on the Greek side
of the border as Macedonian
officials allow only a trickle
of people through each day.
Frustration boiled over on
Monday, with a few hundred people
breaking through the gate,
chanting "open the border"
and throwing stones at
Macedonian police,
according to reports.]

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2016/2/23/448784/default/v1/2016-02-22t171350z-1580998246-gf10000318903-rtrmadp-3-europe-migrants-greece-1-736x414.jpg


What a Mess

[smudgie]

Greece Can't possibly have any chance of coping.
Time to turn the boats back and make Turkey earn their money.:shrug:

[Cherie]

just awful seeing children as young as 4 being tear gassed.

[Crimson Dynamo]

sorry but they dont want them

[Cherie]

sorry but they dont want them

Where should they go? if it were your family, what would you do, sit tight and hope a bomb doesn't hit you, or ISIS doesn't take your kids to further their propaganda, or rape your wife...?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Where should they go? if it were your family, what would you do, sit tight and hope a bomb doesn't hit you, or ISIS doesn't take your kids to further their propaganda, or rape your wife...?

i have no idea the origin of these people and neither have you

[Cherie]

i have no idea the origin of these people and neither have you

True does that make it any less tragic for families?

[Crimson Dynamo]

True does that make it any less tragic for families?

yes if you have dragged them along thinking the streets are paved with gold in some other place

[Cherie]

yes if you have dragged them along thinking the streets are paved with gold in some other place

I don't have anything against people making a better life for themselves if they are prepared to work for it.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I don't have anything against people making a better life for themselves if they are prepared to work for it.

and if the country wants them

[Cherie]

and if the country wants them

Plenty Macedonians have emigrated for a better life :idc: A few years back when the Poles went to Ireland there was a big outcry from some about them taking jobs (that nobody wanted basically), I aways found that incredible from a country that has been exporting people since the famine.

[MTVN]

Macedonia are within their rights to try and exert control over this influx: demanding that borders be opened, throwing stones at police and breaking down fences is not an appropriate response. What are they supposed to, allow hundreds of thousands of undocumented people to stream through only for them to then get stuck at the next border? Austria don't want too many, Sweden is bringing back controls, even Germany are neither able or willing to take every migrant that arrives. If prosperous Western and Northern European countries can't cope then what do people expect from small and struggling countries like Macedonia and Greece?

[Kizzy]

That image of a grown man crying at the border, it's the face of hopelessness.
I don't care if my heart bleeds, I have one.

[Cherie]

Macedonia are within their rights to try and exert control over this influx: demanding that borders be opened, throwing stones at police and breaking down fences is not an appropriate response. What are they supposed to, allow hundreds of thousands of undocumented people to stream through only for them to then get stuck at the next border? Austria don't want too many, Sweden is bringing back controls, even Germany are neither able or willing to take every migrant that arrives. If prosperous Western and Northern European countries can't cope then what do people expect from small and struggling countries like Macedonia and Greece?

Yes of course they are but was tear gassing children necessary force?

[VanessaFeltz.]

Greece Can't possibly have any chance of coping.
Time to turn the boats back and make Turkey earn their money.:shrug:

Dont you know how many syrian people are in turkey? There are A LOT trust me.

This is not only turkeys job this is A world problem everyone should put their hand on this but the way the world deals with this problem is the reason all these happening. İt has been years now it is obvs syria cant deal with this on their own other countries should do something about it. You cant end the problems just by opening borders you have to do something bigger.

Also i am really sad for the people in syria for suffering this but i am also sad for the countries who have to suffer as well just because a country cant put itself together.

[waterhog]

until we get to the root of this problem - its never going to correct.

[MTVN]

Yes of course they are but was tear gassing children necessary force?

The tear gas was fired because the migrants broke down the fence with a battering ram and the police were about to be mobbed, in that instance I think it was appropriate. Those migrants with children should surely have been keeping them well back from border clashes with police.

[Cherie]

The tear gas was fired because the migrants broke down the fence with a battering ram and the police were about to be mobbed, in that instance I think it was appropriate. Those migrants with children should surely have been keeping them well back from border clashes with police.

In theory yes, but weren't the Macedonians letting a trickle through, so I guess you had your place in crowd with people in front and behind so maybe hard to get out of the way. You have a hard heart MTVN :hmph:

[MTVN]

In theory yes, but weren't the Macedonians letting a trickle through, so I guess you had your place in crowd with people in front and behind so maybe hard to get out of the way. You have a hard heart MTVN :hmph:

Not at all, my heart bleeds for the Macedonian police being pelted with stones and being damned if they do, damned if they don't

[DemolitionRed]

According to the Daily Mail, "Greek police say there could be up to 10,000 people — mostly Syrian and Iraqi refugees — stuck at the country's Idomeni border crossing now in deteriorating conditions." It goes on to say that children are becoming sick because of the unsanitary living conditions.

Its time America took more responsibility for this crisis they created.

[Crimson Dynamo]

According to the Daily Mail, "Greek police say there could be up to 10,000 people — mostly Syrian and Iraqi refugees — stuck at the country's Idomeni border crossing now in deteriorating conditions." It goes on to say that children are becoming sick because of the unsanitary living conditions.

Its time America took more responsibility for this crisis they created.

Yes, lets blame america

:facepalm:

[Alf]

Yes, lets blame america

:facepalm:
Well it must be either America or Britain's fault, it would be xenophobic to blame anyone else.

[Northern Monkey]

Guards with AK's would deter them from knocking fences down and throwing rocks.A few shots in the air as a warning.Or rubber bullets.Non lethal but pack a punch.

[DemolitionRed]

Yes, lets blame america



Deny it all you want but Washington's fingerprints are all over this tragedy.

Syrians, Iraqis, Libyans, Afghans, South Asians—one way or another, directly or indirectly, immediately or at a slight remove, they are all victims of the policies through which the Western powers have sought over centuries to impose their will upon weaker people they thought worth disrupting, subjugating and exploiting.

Where is the land that huddles behind the Statue of Liberty in all this, the nation of immigrant populations? As close to nowhere as it can manage. In my estimation, the denial of history among Americans will prove much harder to overcome as the non-West and the South flee the calamities we have done so much to make.

http://www.salon.com/2015/09/09/america_owns_this_nightmare_everything_thomas_frie dman_and_the_media_gets_wrong_about_the_migrant_cr isis/

[Alf]

Deny it all you want but Washington's fingerprints are all over this tragedy.

Syrians, Iraqis, Libyans, Afghans, South Asians—one way or another, directly or indirectly, immediately or at a slight remove, they are all victims of the policies through which the Western powers have sought over centuries to impose their will upon weaker people they thought worth disrupting, subjugating and exploiting.

Where is the land that huddles behind the Statue of Liberty in all this, the nation of immigrant populations? As close to nowhere as it can manage. In my estimation, the denial of history among Americans will prove much harder to overcome as the non-West and the South flee the calamities we have done so much to make.

http://www.salon.com/2015/09/09/america_owns_this_nightmare_everything_thomas_frie dman_and_the_media_gets_wrong_about_the_migrant_cr isis/How long do colonial and former colonial Western Countries have to take the blame for? Is there an end date like there was with other colonial countries? like Turkey, the Ottoman empire seems to have been forgiven for their centuries of atrocities. What about Romans, don't they take any blame? or China or Egypt?

[VanessaFeltz.]

How long do colonial and former colonial Western Countries have to take the blame for? Is there an end date like there was with other colonial countries? like Turkey, the Ottoman empire seems to have been forgiven for their centuries of atrocities. What about Romans, don't they take any blame? or China or Egypt?
but they are the ones in the control atm not egypt or ottoman empire

[Alf]

but they are the ones in the control atm not egypt or ottoman empire
OK but that answer doesn't fit with the question I asked.

I asked how long do we (The West) have to keep taking the blame? and Is there an end date when we (The West) stop taking the blame?

[DemolitionRed]

How long do colonial and former colonial Western Countries have to take the blame for? Is there an end date like there was with other colonial countries? like Turkey, the Ottoman empire seems to have been forgiven for their centuries of atrocities. What about Romans, don't they take any blame? or China or Egypt?

This crisis is still ongoing. There is nothing to forget and its certainly too early to forgive. When a humanitarian crisis is in full swing, as it is now, its important that we understand how that crisis came about because understanding may touch us with a tiny ounce of compassion and whilst we have compassion, we will strive to find solutions.

I don't know what the answer is, all I know is, they are a displaced people, they are my fellow human beings and I hope and wish they find peace and comfort for themselves and their families.

[Alf]

I don't know what the answer is, all I know is, they are a displaced people, they are my fellow human beings and I hope and wish they find peace and comfort for themselves and their families.
That's very admirable of you, which I'm sure comes from your Western culture.

But I'd hazard a guess that the majority of them don't hope and wish the same for you.

[Kizzy]

That's very admirable of you, which I'm sure comes from your Western culture.

But I'd hazard a guess that the majority of them don't hope and wish the same for you.

Where does your unhealthy wariness of johnny foreigner come from, your island mentality?

[Alf]

Where does your unhealthy wariness of johnny foreigner come from, your island mentality?Could you please stop trolling and derailing the thread please?

There's no need for you to make disgusting insinuations against me, just because I'm not you.

[Kizzy]

Could you please stop trolling and derailing the thread please?

There's no need for you to make disgusting insinuations against me, just because I'm not you.

You made insinuations based on culture and nationality...why can't I?

[Alf]

You made insinuations based on culture and nationality...why can't I?
I believe that the majority of People coming in from The Middle east and Asia have very little if anything culturally in common with The West, and I believe that they have no intention of embracing our culture and values but rather striving to impose their own on us all.


I have no problem with the people, I have a problem with their culture and values.

That's my opinion on an issue.

You personally insinuated that I have some kind of phobia to foreigners, I think you did that because you wanted to make yourself look better than me.

[Kizzy]

I believe that the majority of People coming in from The Middle east and Asia have very little if anything culturally in common with The West, and I believe that they have no intention of embracing our culture and values but rather striving to impose their own on us all.


I have no problem with the people, I have a problem with their culture and values.

That's my opinion on an issue.

You personally insinuated that I have some kind of phobia to foreigners, I think you did that because you wanted to make yourself look better than me.

That's an insinuation right there, I drew a comparison is all I don't want to look better than anyone.

[DemolitionRed]

I believe that the majority of People coming in from The Middle east and Asia have very little if anything culturally in common with The West, and I believe that they have no intention of embracing our culture and values but rather striving to impose their own on us all.


I have no problem with the people, I have a problem with their culture and values.

That's my opinion on an issue.

You personally insinuated that I have some kind of phobia to foreigners, I think you did that because you wanted to make yourself look better than me.

Well your new avatar probably gives the wrong impression? I mean, Alf Garnett has to be one of the most bigoted, anti Irish, racist, misogynistic and anti-Semitic man who was ever let loose on our television screens.

[Z]

I think Macedonia should be commended to be honest, they've been left to fend for themselves and aren't part of the European family of nations, they could easily have just done nothing and let these people head north-west.

[Alf]

Well your new avatar probably gives the wrong impression? I mean, Alf Garnett has to be one of the most bigoted, anti Irish, racist, misogynistic and anti-Semitic man who was ever let loose on our television screens.Bleeding Nora! Were clutching at straws now aren't we?

He was also a very funny and loved character.

If you want me to be your bigoted, xenophobic, racist subject then I don't mind if it pleases you, I aim to please, if you need that to prove how much of a better person than me you are then I'll be your subject, after all if your're the one calling me the bigot then that excuses you from being one doesn't it.

So you can please yourself by looking down on me from up there.

[DemolitionRed]

Bleeding Nora! Were clutching at straws now aren't we?

He was also a very funny and loved character.

If you want me to be your bigoted, xenophobic, racist subject then I don't mind if it pleases you, I aim to please, if you need that to prove how much of a better person than me you are then I'll be your subject, after all if your're the one calling me the bigot then that excuses you from being one doesn't it.

So you can please yourself by looking down on me from up there.

:pat:

[arista]

Macedonia Minister was live on Ch4HD News, last night,
he said they still want to join the EU,
to become a full member,
but he has tried to send 600 or so Afghans
onto the next nation
who then sent them back?

Only Syrians are let through.


Its a Mess

[kirklancaster]

You made insinuations based on culture and nationality...why can't I?

Because Alf's were generic and NOT specifically and personally directed at any member on here - unlike your insulting comments which were specifically and personally directed at him?

You asked, so I am merely proposing an answer.

[Kizzy]

Because Alf's were generic and NOT specifically and personally directed at any member on here - unlike your insulting comments which were specifically and personally directed at him?

You asked, so I am merely proposing an answer.

As you can clearly see they were directed at DR. Hope that clarifies things to your satisfaction.

[Northern Monkey]

Greece is going to get seriously pissed off if the EU don't pull their fingers out and sort it out.Schengen will colapse.Greece will leave the EU and start sending people back.Merkel has a huge amount of blame to take with her open door policy.She has fecked Greece right up.