[arista]

For around 5 days.



[Macedonian police have fired tear
gas after migrants and refugees
broke through a gate on
the country's border with Greece.
Thousands of people have been
stuck on the Greek side
of the border as Macedonian
officials allow only a trickle
of people through each day.
Frustration boiled over on
Monday, with a few hundred people
breaking through the gate,
chanting "open the border"
and throwing stones at
Macedonian police,
according to reports.]




What a Mess

[smudgie]

Greece Can't possibly have any chance of coping.
Time to turn the boats back and make Turkey earn their money.

[Cherie]

just awful seeing children as young as 4 being tear gassed.

[Crimson Dynamo]

sorry but they dont want them

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

sorry but they dont want them

Where should they go? if it were your family, what would you do, sit tight and hope a bomb doesn't hit you, or ISIS doesn't take your kids to further their propaganda, or rape your wife...?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Where should they go? if it were your family, what would you do, sit tight and hope a bomb doesn't hit you, or ISIS doesn't take your kids to further their propaganda, or rape your wife...?

i have no idea the origin of these people and neither have you

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

i have no idea the origin of these people and neither have you

True does that make it any less tragic for families?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Cherie

True does that make it any less tragic for families?

yes if you have dragged them along thinking the streets are paved with gold in some other place

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

yes if you have dragged them along thinking the streets are paved with gold in some other place

I don't have anything against people making a better life for themselves if they are prepared to work for it.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I don't have anything against people making a better life for themselves if they are prepared to work for it.

and if the country wants them

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

and if the country wants them

Plenty Macedonians have emigrated for a better life A few years back when the Poles went to Ireland there was a big outcry from some about them taking jobs (that nobody wanted basically), I aways found that incredible from a country that has been exporting people since the famine.

[MTVN]

Macedonia are within their rights to try and exert control over this influx: demanding that borders be opened, throwing stones at police and breaking down fences is not an appropriate response. What are they supposed to, allow hundreds of thousands of undocumented people to stream through only for them to then get stuck at the next border? Austria don't want too many, Sweden is bringing back controls, even Germany are neither able or willing to take every migrant that arrives. If prosperous Western and Northern European countries can't cope then what do people expect from small and struggling countries like Macedonia and Greece?

[Kizzy]

That image of a grown man crying at the border, it's the face of hopelessness.
I don't care if my heart bleeds, I have one.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Macedonia are within their rights to try and exert control over this influx: demanding that borders be opened, throwing stones at police and breaking down fences is not an appropriate response. What are they supposed to, allow hundreds of thousands of undocumented people to stream through only for them to then get stuck at the next border? Austria don't want too many, Sweden is bringing back controls, even Germany are neither able or willing to take every migrant that arrives. If prosperous Western and Northern European countries can't cope then what do people expect from small and struggling countries like Macedonia and Greece?

Yes of course they are but was tear gassing children necessary force?

[VanessaFeltz.]

Originally Posted by smudgie

Greece Can't possibly have any chance of coping.
Time to turn the boats back and make Turkey earn their money.

Dont you know how many syrian people are in turkey? There are A LOT trust me.

This is not only turkeys job this is A world problem everyone should put their hand on this but the way the world deals with this problem is the reason all these happening. İt has been years now it is obvs syria cant deal with this on their own other countries should do something about it. You cant end the problems just by opening borders you have to do something bigger.

Also i am really sad for the people in syria for suffering this but i am also sad for the countries who have to suffer as well just because a country cant put itself together.

[waterhog]

until we get to the root of this problem - its never going to correct.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Yes of course they are but was tear gassing children necessary force?

The tear gas was fired because the migrants broke down the fence with a battering ram and the police were about to be mobbed, in that instance I think it was appropriate. Those migrants with children should surely have been keeping them well back from border clashes with police.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by MTVN

The tear gas was fired because the migrants broke down the fence with a battering ram and the police were about to be mobbed, in that instance I think it was appropriate. Those migrants with children should surely have been keeping them well back from border clashes with police.

In theory yes, but weren't the Macedonians letting a trickle through, so I guess you had your place in crowd with people in front and behind so maybe hard to get out of the way. You have a hard heart MTVN

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Cherie

In theory yes, but weren't the Macedonians letting a trickle through, so I guess you had your place in crowd with people in front and behind so maybe hard to get out of the way. You have a hard heart MTVN

Not at all, my heart bleeds for the Macedonian police being pelted with stones and being damned if they do, damned if they don't

[DemolitionRed]

According to the Daily Mail, "Greek police say there could be up to 10,000 people — mostly Syrian and Iraqi refugees — stuck at the country's Idomeni border crossing now in deteriorating conditions." It goes on to say that children are becoming sick because of the unsanitary living conditions.

Its time America took more responsibility for this crisis they created.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

According to the Daily Mail, "Greek police say there could be up to 10,000 people — mostly Syrian and Iraqi refugees — stuck at the country's Idomeni border crossing now in deteriorating conditions." It goes on to say that children are becoming sick because of the unsanitary living conditions.

Its time America took more responsibility for this crisis they created.

Yes, lets blame america

[Alf]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Yes, lets blame america

Well it must be either America or Britain's fault, it would be xenophobic to blame anyone else.

[Northern Monkey]

Guards with AK's would deter them from knocking fences down and throwing rocks.A few shots in the air as a warning.Or rubber bullets.Non lethal but pack a punch.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Yes, lets blame america

Deny it all you want but Washington's fingerprints are all over this tragedy.

Syrians, Iraqis, Libyans, Afghans, South Asians—one way or another, directly or indirectly, immediately or at a slight remove, they are all victims of the policies through which the Western powers have sought over centuries to impose their will upon weaker people they thought worth disrupting, subjugating and exploiting.

Where is the land that huddles behind the Statue of Liberty in all this, the nation of immigrant populations? As close to nowhere as it can manage. In my estimation, the denial of history among Americans will prove much harder to overcome as the non-West and the South flee the calamities we have done so much to make.

http://www.salon.com/2015/09/09/amer...igrant_crisis/

[Alf]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Deny it all you want but Washington's fingerprints are all over this tragedy.

Syrians, Iraqis, Libyans, Afghans, South Asians—one way or another, directly or indirectly, immediately or at a slight remove, they are all victims of the policies through which the Western powers have sought over centuries to impose their will upon weaker people they thought worth disrupting, subjugating and exploiting.

Where is the land that huddles behind the Statue of Liberty in all this, the nation of immigrant populations? As close to nowhere as it can manage. In my estimation, the denial of history among Americans will prove much harder to overcome as the non-West and the South flee the calamities we have done so much to make.

http://www.salon.com/2015/09/09/amer...igrant_crisis/

How long do colonial and former colonial Western Countries have to take the blame for? Is there an end date like there was with other colonial countries? like Turkey, the Ottoman empire seems to have been forgiven for their centuries of atrocities. What about Romans, don't they take any blame? or China or Egypt?