Ian Duncan Smith Resigns from cabinet

[arista]

Live on both news


That will make Kizzy Happy


http://news.sky.com/story/1662752/iain-duncan-smith-resigns-over-disability-cuts

[bots]

about ****ing time too .... whoooooopieeeeeee :dance:

Isn't it amazing that he resigns because he thinks the cuts are too harsh

[Amy Jade]

Glad he's gone the pompous scrounging prick

[Johnnyuk123]

I'm sure he doesn't need the money. A great guy. Good luck for the future Ian.:thumbs:

[joeysteele]

Absolutely good riddance, no doubt he will now try to distance himself from some of the most heartless action ever by a Work and Pensions Minister.

If there hadn't been this outcry as to the latest proposed cuts which he was happy to be standing by until the outcry.
he would have likely hung on like crazy to his post.

However, now he is even more free to make trouble for Cameron from the backbenches and somehow I have a feeling he will de doing so.
Really though, good riddance to one of the biggest waste of spaces ever in any govt.

[_Tom_]

Anyone who thinks Iain Duncan Smith has resigned because of disability benefits is living on another planet.

[DemolitionRed]

IDS was just Osborne's messenger boy. What ever made him quit, I respect him for saying Osborne was pushing a step too far.

I'm not sure why people think IDS was doing a great job trying to cut benefits on to the disabled.

[DemolitionRed]

Here's his resignation letter in full http://www.itv.com/news/2016-03-18/iain-duncan-smiths-resignation-letter-in-full/

[user104658]

IDS was just Osborne's messenger boy. What ever made him quit, I respect him for saying Osborne was pushing a step too far.


Indeed. I don't believe for a second that IDS is taking some sort of moral stand here because he feels like the cuts are actually too harsh, I don't believe he cares about that, however, I also don't believe that many (if any) of what has been put in place has come from him in the first place... he's always just been middle management, passing down exactly what he's been told to pass down. I think this is more a case of him not wanting to take the considerable flak for this latest round. They almost certainly are Osbourne's doing. IDS is basically saying "The heat coming at me for this is too much to take the fall for it this time" - a sentiment which will be fuelled by feeling like he's on a different "team" now in many ways, with all of the EU stuff...

...I am pretty surprised that he went so far as to admit that huge amounts of these cuts are to make a political point rather than having anything to do with the economy, though. From such a high profile public figure as IDS, that is an absolutely massive kick in the balls for the current government.

[DemolitionRed]

It is indeed. I wonder who's going to be picking up the poisoned chalice.

[user104658]

"I hope as the government goes forward you can look again, however, at the balance of the cuts you have insisted upon and wonder if enough has been done to ensure "we are all in this together"." - Jeremy Corbyn. No wait, what?? Iain Duncan Smith...??? :umm2:

I swear I've entered bizarro land :joker:

[user104658]

It is indeed. I wonder who's going to be picking up the poisoned chalice.

Odds of 4/9 on "The reanimated, stuffed corpse of Margaret Thatcher".

...2/1 on "A slightly sad looking, dead-eyed pig, utterly dripping with posh cum"

[Northern Monkey]

Indeed. I don't believe for a second that IDS is taking some sort of moral stand here because he feels like the cuts are actually too harsh, I don't believe he cares about that, however, I also don't believe that many (if any) of what has been put in place has come from him in the first place... he's always just been middle management, passing down exactly what he's been told to pass down. I think this is more a case of him not wanting to take the considerable flak for this latest round. They almost certainly are Osbourne's doing. IDS is basically saying "The heat coming at me for this is too much to take the fall for it this time" - a sentiment which will be fuelled by feeling like he's on a different "team" now in many ways, with all of the EU stuff...

...I am pretty surprised that he went so far as to admit that huge amounts of these cuts are to make a political point rather than having anything to do with the economy, though. From such a high profile public figure as IDS, that is an absolutely massive kick in the balls for the current government.
Interesting post.:thumbs:

[DemolitionRed]

Odds of 4/9 on "The reanimated, stuffed corpse of Margaret Thatcher".

...2/1 on "A slightly sad looking, dead-eyed pig, utterly dripping with posh cum"

laughs... your imagination is better than mine :joker:

[smudgie]

Hmmmmm, One has to wonder if he would have resigned had the PIP fiasco not failed.
Looks more to me like the perfect time for his excuse to fire shots at the opposition in the EU Brexit campaign.
Getting more interesting by the day.

[joeysteele]

He is right to have laid blame for such heartless actions at the doors of both the PM and Osborne.
Both have accepted all the cuts that were made,I have always said IDS was only able to make such heartless and in my view, unjust attacks on the sick and disabled because of Osborne and this PM.

This really is a scandal now that should really rock this govt and also, it leaves this PM exposed as either a very weak leader and PM or a truly unjust one.
It leaves Osborne in an even bigger hole than he appeared to have dug for himself already, since now it appears IDS has sent in the mechanical diggers to make that hole a really massive one now.

[Black Dagger]

I'm sure he doesn't need the money. A great guy. Good luck for the future Ian.:thumbs:

:umm2:

[Mystic Mock]

Live on both news


That will make Kizzy Happy


http://news.sky.com/story/1662752/iain-duncan-smith-resigns-over-disability-cuts

It's gonna make me happy too.:dance::cheer2:

[GiRTh]

Indeed. I don't believe for a second that IDS is taking some sort of moral stand here because he feels like the cuts are actually too harsh, I don't believe he cares about that, however, I also don't believe that many (if any) of what has been put in place has come from him in the first place... he's always just been middle management, passing down exactly what he's been told to pass down. I think this is more a case of him not wanting to take the considerable flak for this latest round. They almost certainly are Osbourne's doing. IDS is basically saying "The heat coming at me for this is too much to take the fall for it this time" - a sentiment which will be fuelled by feeling like he's on a different "team" now in many ways, with all of the EU stuff...

...I am pretty surprised that he went so far as to admit that huge amounts of these cuts are to make a political point rather than having anything to do with the economy, though. From such a high profile public figure as IDS, that is an absolutely massive kick in the balls for the current government.:clap1:

[joeysteele]

Indeed. I don't believe for a second that IDS is taking some sort of moral stand here because he feels like the cuts are actually too harsh, I don't believe he cares about that, however, I also don't believe that many (if any) of what has been put in place has come from him in the first place... he's always just been middle management, passing down exactly what he's been told to pass down. I think this is more a case of him not wanting to take the considerable flak for this latest round. They almost certainly are Osbourne's doing. IDS is basically saying "The heat coming at me for this is too much to take the fall for it this time" - a sentiment which will be fuelled by feeling like he's on a different "team" now in many ways, with all of the EU stuff...

...I am pretty surprised that he went so far as to admit that huge amounts of these cuts are to make a political point rather than having anything to do with the economy, though. From such a high profile public figure as IDS, that is an absolutely massive kick in the balls for the current government.



It was extraordinary but right,at leas his parting shots are better than just about all he has done as a Minister.

[Northern Monkey]

He is right to have laid blame for such heartless actions at the doors of both the PM and Osborne.
Both have accepted all the cuts that were made,I have always said IDS was only able to make such heartless and in my view, unjust attacks on the sick and disabled because of Osborne and this PM.

This really is a scandal now that should really rock this govt and also, it leaves this PM exposed as either a very weak leader and PM or a truly unjust one.
It leaves Osborne in an even bigger hole than he appeared to have dug for himself already, since now it appears IDS has sent in the mechanical diggers to make that hole a really massive one now.

So IDS was really just the 'fall guy'?

[Josy]

Thought of kizzy as soon as I heard this earlier

[Tom4784]

Hopefully George Osbourne and Jeremy Hunt aren't too far behind. ****ing parasites.

[Shaun]

Pretty surprising since I thought he'd been under equally-strong (if not moreso) scrutiny before the PIP thing but oh well... sending the party into disarray is welcome news.

[bots]

David Cameron has always had the power to hire and fire his cabinet, so he must have been in support of the IDS era policy decisions. I don't believe for one moment that IDS was purely a mouthpiece however, he has been a major contributor to policy since joining the cabinet.

As to the timing of his resignation, the stars aligned and he saw an opportunity to make political capital from it, whether that be trying to paint himself in a better light or adding weight to brexit, it really doesn't matter, he saw an opportunity that best served himself (not the country i might add)

Thatcher at her most arrogant would not have had the balls to try and implement what this government are doing. If it was one instance that they misread, I could let them away with it, but they are willfully targeting the disadvantaged, and that has to stop.

[Cherie]

Hmmmmm, One has to wonder if he would have resigned had the PIP fiasco not failed.
Looks more to me like the perfect time for his excuse to fire shots at the opposition in the EU Brexit campaign.
Getting more interesting by the day.

David Cameron has always had the power to hire and fire his cabinet, so he must have been in support of the IDS era policy decisions. I don't believe for one moment that IDS was purely a mouthpiece however, he has been a major contributor to policy since joining the cabinet.

As to the timing of his resignation, the stars aligned and he saw an opportunity to make political capital from it, whether that be trying to paint himself in a better light or adding weight to brexit, it really doesn't matter, he saw an opportunity that best served himself (not the country i might add)

Thatcher at her most arrogant would not have had the balls to try and implement what this government are doing. If it was one instance that they misread, I could let them away with it, but they are willfully targeting the disadvantaged, and that has to stop.


He has done this for himself no one else

[joeysteele]

So IDS was really just the 'fall guy'?

Not in my opinion, this may have been a step too far but he allowed it all to go ahead at the budget and I believe it is the really big outcry this time that has made him think his position.

He 'is', in my view, the architect of the previous heartless cuts and new conditions as to criteria for claiming benefits.
I still don't see him as a fall guy, for me he has presided over the most despicable of cutting to the sick and disabled and never wanted to move from work and pensions either, so happy was he then with what he was doing.

However, yes,those things could only be done with the support of the PM and the Chancellor, whose hands in that case are as filthy on these attacks on the sick and disabled just as his are.

[Ammi]

..inevitably when it all starts to fall apart, it's every one for themselves and trying for damage limitation....

[joeysteele]

Let's hope his replacement Stephen Crabb takes the same line as IDS on this round of cuts and changes to criteria too.

I hoped for better as to the NHS when Hunt replaced Lansley but am massively disappointed with Hunt.

Crabb is one of the better Conservative MPs in my view but it depends now on what he will be willing to accept to impress the other hard hearts of the PM and those in the Cabinet.

[arista]

Let's hope his replacement Stephen Crabb takes the same line as IDS on this round of cuts and changes to criteria too.

I hoped for better as to the NHS when Hunt replaced Lansley but am massively disappointed with Hunt.

Crabb is one of the better Conservative MPs in my view but it depends now on what he will be willing to accept to impress the other hard hearts of the PM and those in the Cabinet.



Yes Steve Crab , seems good .
Watched him on Daily Politics (BBC2HD)
SkyNewsHD Live Debates and Ch4HD News alot

http://news.sky.com/story/1663002/stephen-crabb-replaces-iain-duncan-smith

[joeysteele]

Yes Steve Crab , seems good .
Watched him on Daily Politics (BBC2HD)
SkyNewsHD Live Debates and Ch4HD News alot

http://news.sky.com/story/1663002/stephen-crabb-replaces-iain-duncan-smith

I like him,(at present anyway), I think he and Matt Hancock could be 2 rising stars to watch in the Conservative party.

[Crimson Dynamo]

spitting image would had a field day with IDS

[MTVN]

The Tory MP for Stevenage is very happy about this news:

I am sorry, but I will not be shedding any tears for the evangelical, aggressive and routinely failing welfare reforms that were the personal fiefdom of the secretary of state for DWP.

http://www.stephen-mcpartland.com/news/903-i-welcome-this-resignation-and-believe-it-is-a-real-opportunity-to-get-welfare-reforms-right


It looks like IDS' main grievance is a bruised ego, he feels messed around by the confusion over the disability cuts in the last couple of days and was fed up of Osborne. No doubt he'll now become quite a big thorn in the governments side and will especially become a lot more forceful pushing for Brexit.

[MTVN]

IDS will be on Marr tomorrow morning

[Kazanne]

IDS is imo a turncoat and simply to benefit himself,not anyone else ,his bleating that the cuts have gone too far as his reason is tosh,he wants out of the EU so this makes it easier for him. The government were already looking into the disability cuts,so his excuse that they are the reason is lame to say the least,with friends like that ,who needs enemies.

[arista]

IDS will be on Marr tomorrow morning


How Nice

[DemolitionRed]

Osborne is doing a u-turn on the PIP changes, and the idea is being "kicked into the long grass".

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/14354680.Osborne_signals_retreat_on_disability_cut s_amid_Tory_revolt/

[Kazanne]

Osborne is doing a u-turn on the PIP changes, and the idea is being "kicked into the long grass".

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/14354680.Osborne_signals_retreat_on_disability_cut s_amid_Tory_revolt/

I'de rather have a government that listens and does a UTurn on unpopular decisions, than one that carries on regardless just to save face..

[smudgie]

Osborne is doing a u-turn on the PIP changes, and the idea is being "kicked into the long grass".

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/14354680.Osborne_signals_retreat_on_disability_cut s_amid_Tory_revolt/

Yeah, so it was DWP plan, yet IDS uses it as an èxcuse to resign.
Wondering if he was actuàlly pushed now dûe to its failure"

[DemolitionRed]

Yeah, so it was DWP plan, yet IDS uses it as an èxcuse to resign.
Wondering if he was actuàlly pushed now dûe to its failure"

Everything starts at the top and works downwards. It was only yesterday that Osborne announced they would not be backing down. Whilst I wholeheartedly agree that IDS is likely pulling out because of Brexit, allowing Osborne & Cameron to take partial blame for these ruthless cuts was the right move.

[DemolitionRed]

I'de rather have a government that listens and does a UTurn on unpopular decisions, than one that carries on regardless just to save face..

I'm sure Cameron and Osborne didn't sit down and go "Aww bless...we really can't take our debt out on the most vulnerable in society. What a mean man Ian Duncan Smith is".

They didn't have a choice because if they didn't do a U turn on PIP payments, they would be defeated in the House of Commons and had to face yet more embarrassment.

[Kazanne]

I'm sure Cameron and Osborne didn't sit down and go "Aww bless...we really can't take our debt out on the most vulnerable in society. What a mean man Ian Duncan Smith is".

They didn't have a choice because if they didn't do a U turn on PIP payments, they would be defeated in the House of Commons and had to face yet more embarrassment.

Still better than going ahead regardless,none of us KNOW what was said so mute point.

[DemolitionRed]

Still better than going ahead regardless,none of us KNOW what was said so mute point.

No but then we could say, why debate anything at all.

[Northern Monkey]

I'm sure Cameron and Osborne didn't sit down and go "Aww bless...we really can't take our debt out on the most vulnerable in society. What a mean man Ian Duncan Smith is".

They didn't have a choice because if they didn't do a U turn on PIP payments, they would be defeated in the House of Commons and had to face yet more embarrassment.This sounds most plausible.

[joeysteele]

I'm sure Cameron and Osborne didn't sit down and go "Aww bless...we really can't take our debt out on the most vulnerable in society. What a mean man Ian Duncan Smith is".

They didn't have a choice because if they didn't do a U turn on PIP payments, they would be defeated in the House of Commons and had to face yet more embarrassment.

Dead right, they had no choice, there were thankfully a good few of the decent Conservative MPs left who were lining up to defeat this move.

If Osborne had believed he could get these new proposals through Parliament and more to the point had there been no outcry from public sources too,then he and this PM would have pushed for it.

They haven't listened at all,all they have done is ensure they do not suffer an embarrassing defeat.
To get 2 great moments in one day is the really great thing for me as to this, the first, that these rotten proposals, that should never have been thought of, never mind brought forward,are being kicked into the long grass,
Then secondly, the truly rotten Ian Duncan Smith is at last gone from a position he should never have been appointed to in the first place.

[joeysteele]

IDS is imo a turncoat and simply to benefit himself,not anyone else ,his bleating that the cuts have gone too far as his reason is tosh,he wants out of the EU so this makes it easier for him. The government were already looking into the disability cuts,so his excuse that they are the reason is lame to say the least,with friends like that ,who needs enemies.

I certainly don't believe for one second he has found a new caring for the sick and disabled after over 5 years of having none at all.

I can also go along with it having something to do with the EU and his determination to get the UK out.
I was always concerned at just what horrors he would like to be doing without any kind of overseeing and shackling from the EU as to social policy.

If he succeeds along with others and there is an 'out' vote in the referendum, then as soon as Cameron and now it appears likely Osborne go too in that scenario,I can see this creep worming his way back again into govt under whatever leader there then will be in that aftermath of that result.

Also though his own flagship policy of Universal Credit, is costing so much and way behind schedule too that he may have been told that may well be looked at again too and could be,(hopefully in my view), folded up.

[DemolitionRed]

He's a just a rat who either jumped or was pushed from a sinking ship.

The thing is, the UN investigation is still on going for grave violations to the rights of disabled people, so he either got out now before the UN investigation could further damage his reputation or he was pushed by Osborne and Cameron so they can put all the blame on him.

[DemolitionRed]

So are we now witnessing the Tory government falling apart? I somehow doubt Cameron and Osborne are sleeping well in their beds at the moment.

Personally I'm enjoying the Tory rebellion because its restored some of my faith in the conservative party. When the think tanks can stand up and say, enough is enough, we can reassure ourselves that there is a human side to this party.

[VintageBB]

I redesigned my cabinet today :joker: Sorry, couldn't resist.

[Kazanne]

I redesigned my cabinet today :joker: Sorry, couldn't resist.

:laugh:Is it Shabby chic ?

[Cherie]

:laugh:Is it Shabby chic ?

:joker:

[user104658]

I very much doubt IDS was pushed. Whatever his real reasons for resigning; there is no scenario in which this is anything but absolutely awful PR for the Conservative government. The only way it could have been pushing, is if they were trying to get him to step down quietly and he decided to go out with a little roar of defiance instead.

[MTVN]

Yeah he definitely wasn't pushed, the PM publicly said he was 'puzzled' by the resignation and like TS said this only reflects badly on the Tory party which was divided enough as it was

[arista]

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Really!
I think the Rush for Greece
from Turkey should be Front pages
Due to the New Rules.

[arista]

First live Camera on IDS
on Marr (BBC1 and BBC1HD)

He was Blinking alot
did not looking good.


Radio Clip of a baroness
just played, (Typical BBC)
but Why her view on what she thinks is not valid
once IDS speaks
later in the show.

[arista]

IDS Live Now

[waterhog]

Andrew seems allot calmer this week.

[arista]

Andrew seems allot calmer this week.



No need to be Angry

IDS is very Civil, Hog


Its good he has said why he has Resigned
100% against Osborne Budget Plan
He was not consulted this time
And its not Personal.


Well Done IDS telling the Fecking Truth


If there was a Vote for the PM
IDS would Vote for him.

Fecking Mirror Paper got a load of Bollocks today

[arista]

Top Interview on Marr.


No Spin.


How Nice

[MTVN]

Actually thought IDS came across well and was clearly very passionate. I can understand his grievances as well, seems like every time that Osborne was going to miss his targets he would then go to the DWP and force them to find more savings at short notice, they've bore the brunt of cutbacks while a lot of other departments have been protected. He's right also that the government increasingly risks losing the argument when they try and claim to be a one nation party who really do care about social justice.

[user104658]

I can't figure out what he's doing at all to be honest :joker:. I think downing Street would love us to believe that it's simply all about party divisions that have formed over Europe, because that would only potentially reflect on unity and leadership, not their ability to run things domestically... But I'm increasingly feeling like it can't possibly be that simple. It's all very... Odd. I dunno. I think maybe he looks like a guy whose just woken up one morning and said "You know what? **** it." and opened a can of worms for breakfast.

[smudgie]

I thought he came across as a disingenuous twit.
Coughing and spluttering...
He resigned after the PIP was a failure, the very same PIP changes that he and his department had been happy enough to implement, perfect timing for him to try and scupper the IN supporters of EU in his party.
His very passionate speech about him not caring about being in government and how all he has done is to do with his desire to make it easier for the worst off.....please, pass me the sick bag.

[arista]

Actually thought IDS came across well and was clearly very passionate. I can understand his grievances as well, seems like every time that Osborne was going to miss his targets he would then go to the DWP and force them to find more savings at short notice, they've bore the brunt of cutbacks while a lot of other departments have been protected. He's right also that the government increasingly risks losing the argument when they try and claim to be a one nation party who really do care about social justice.


Yes makes half today Papers look stupid
including the Pathetic Sunday Mirror

[kirklancaster]

I can't figure out what he's doing at all to be honest :joker:. I think downing Street would love us to believe that it's simply all about party divisions that have formed over Europe, because that would only potentially reflect on unity and leadership, not their ability to run things domestically... But I'm increasingly feeling like it can't possibly be that simple. It's all very... Odd. I dunno. I think maybe he looks like a guy whose just woken up one morning and said "You know what? **** it." and opened a can of worms for breakfast.

:laugh:

Leviticus 16:10

"But the goat chosen by lot as the scapegoat shall be presented alive before the LORD to be used for making atonement by sending it into the wilderness".

Perhaps IDS is one 'Scapegoat' who was no longer willing to have ALL the sins of the party transferred to him come the (inevitable) Day of Atonement'.

[arista]

Busy Man
IDS also gave Another Pure No Spin Interview
to Faisal Islam on SkyNewsHD

[arista]

I can't figure out what he's doing at all to be honest :joker:. I think downing Street would love us to believe that it's simply all about party divisions that have formed over Europe, because that would only potentially reflect on unity and leadership, not their ability to run things domestically... But I'm increasingly feeling like it can't possibly be that simple. It's all very... Odd. I dunno. I think maybe he looks like a guy whose just woken up one morning and said "You know what? **** it." and opened a can of worms for breakfast.

No TS
watch the Full Interview

Osborne did not consult him this time

TS he was honest.
and still backs the PM.


So nothing like the New Labour Wally
DWP Bloke who resigned
(from pathetic UnElected Brown) while
"Have I Got News For You" was being recorded
live on a Thursday.



Sign Of The Times

[kirklancaster]

No TS
watch the Full Interview

Osborne did not consult him this time

TS he was honest.
and still backs the PM.


So nothing like the New Labour Wally
DWP Bloke who resigned
(from pathetic UnElected Brown) while
"Have I Got News For You" was being recorded
live on a Thursday.



Sign Of The Times

Bang On Right Arista - It is more a case of Cameron BACK-STABBING and attacking IDS than the other way around.

[joeysteele]

I actually found him insincere in his interview.

I really intensely dislike him,I know he has had near sackfuls of cases and grievances against the policies which he ''was' the architect of.
Universal credit is his baby, it is costing loads to implement and is miles behind schedule,PIP replacing DLA is causing major hold ups and problems too.
He has dismissed continually criticisms as to the issues of problems and has shown not a scrap of compassion as to some of the really bad cases of claimants wrongly losing benefits.

His interview may have been that bit more believable if he had used same to apologise to all those with genuine disabilities and incurable and terminal illnesses who he has shown contempt to and largely for 5 years a least, ignored and dismissed their concerns.

I don't know is this is more about the EU than anything else,I have the same contempt for Cameron and Osborne as to the policies of IDS since they like him have ruthlessly always defended them and implemented same against the most vulnerable..

This man however,I wouldn't trust an inch.
For me it is just a pity he will be an even greater draw on the exit side as to the EU .
Why people like him, when they resign just don't clear off totally,is beyond me.

However everytime I see now him for sure, I will feel the happier knowing I never agreed with his policies as Work and Pensions secretary and how happy I will be further in my decision to vote to stay in the EU too,very happy indeed to be on the opposite side of IDS,it reinforces I chose the right side.

Nothing I have heard him say today has altered in the slightest my total contempt for the man.
I also can believe he was a nightmare to work for too,he was a nightmare to deal with for anyone connected to care and support for the sick and disabled, with his arrogance and dismissing attitude, that is 'if' you could ever actually get to speak to him in the first place.

Horrible, horrible man and someone I hope never holds high office again in the UK,since he should never have been allowed to anyway, that shows terrible judgement on the part of this PM to that he was able to.

[joeysteele]

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[arista]

OK Joey you do not like IDS


But as a interview it shot down all the fake paper headlines

As a Interview he got his points across.
Osborne did not consult him, last budget

[joeysteele]

OK Joey you do not like IDS


But as a interview it shot down all the fake paper headlines

As a Interview he got his points across.
Osborne did not consult him, last budget

Not to me it didn't, I doubt really if many are any more the wiser as to why he resigned once he knew the proposals were likely going to be discarded anyway.

I could more easily believe he was resigning 'because they were going to be kicked into the long grass',not because they had been included in the budget plans.
They were apparently his plans anyway,plans that fit well in with his past heartless actions across the board too.

[arista]

Sure Joey the long grass.

But on this Budget his Plan
was Hijacked by Osborne
who should have spoke to IDS
its that simple

Even if you want to blame him
thats fine.

As a Interview it was good

[Kazanne]

I thought he came across as a disingenuous twit.
Coughing and spluttering...
He resigned after the PIP was a failure, the very same PIP changes that he and his department had been happy enough to implement, perfect timing for him to try and scupper the IN supporters of EU in his party.
His very passionate speech about him not caring about being in government and how all he has done is to do with his desire to make it easier for the worst off.....please, pass me the sick bag.

:clap1::clap1: spot on smudgie.

[bots]

I actually found him insincere in his interview.

I really intensely dislike him,I know he has had near sackfuls of cases and grievances against the polices which he ''was' the architect of.
Universal credit is his baby, it is costing loads to implement and is miles behind schedule,PIP replacing DLA is causing major hold ups and problems too.
He has dismissed continually criticisms as to the issues of problems and has shown not a scrap of compassion as to some of the really bad cases of claiminats wrongly losing benefits.

Hos interview may have bee that bit more believable if he had used same to apologise to all those wit genuine disabilities and incurable and terminal illnesses who he has shown contempt to and largely for 5 years a least, ignored and dismissed their concerns.

I don't know is this is more about the EU than anything else,I have the same contempt for Cameron and Osborne as to the policies of IDS since they like him have ruthlessly always defended them and implemented same against the most vulnerable..

This man however,I wouldn't trust an inch.
For me it is just a pity he will be an even greater draw on the exit side as to the EU .
Why people like him when they resign just don't clear off totally,is beyond me.

However everytime I see now him for sure, I will feel the happier knowing I never agreed with his polices as Work and Pensions secretary and how happy I will be further in my decision to vote to stay in the EU too,very happy indeed to be on the opposite side of IDS,it reinforces I chose the right side.

Nothing I have heard him say today has altered in the slightest my total contempt for the man.
I also can believe he was a nightmare to work for too,he was a nightmare to deal with or anyone connected to care and support for the sick and disabled, with his arrogance and dismissing attitude, that is 'if' you could ever actually get to speak to him in the first place.

Horrible, horrible man and someone I hope never holds high office again in the UK,since he should never have been allowed to anyway, that shows terrible judgement on the par of this PM to that he was able to.

Don't hold back now Joey, say what you really feel :laugh:

I actually agree with all you have said

[Tom4784]

IDS is a reptile but I'm here for him doing as much damage to the tories as possible.

[arista]

IDS is a reptile but I'm here for him doing as much damage to the tories as possible.


His job is taken


Do you not Watch Todays updated news
with Interviews.

Move on Dezzy
The Damage is Hype


Fecking Labour
who say no to Nuke Protection
will Never get in Power.
Corbyn - is not valid due to - No Nuke policy


I am Conservative - Liberal

[DemolitionRed]

IDS is a reptile but I'm here for him doing as much damage to the tories as possible.

I'll go with that! :cheer2:

[user104658]

His job is taken


Do you not Watch Todays updated news
with Interviews.

Move on Dezzy
The Damage is Hype


Fecking Labour
who say no to Nuke Protection
will Never get in Power.
Corbyn - is not valid due to - No Nuke policy


I am Conservative - Liberal
Whether labour can get into power or not, there's a chance (small as it may be) that enough damage to the Tories will at LEAST make them realise that people are eventually going to wake up to their worst policies, and their under-the-table deals with their rich buddies, so that the party might make a few fundamental changes. That would be better than nothing.

[user104658]

I also don't think the issue of nukes will be entirely relevant for all that much longer, as the generations roll along and people stop trying to apply cold war logic to 21st century defense policies.

[arista]

Whether labour can get into power or not, there's a chance (small as it may be) that enough damage to the Tories will at LEAST make them realise that people are eventually going to wake up to their worst policies, and their under-the-table deals with their rich buddies, so that the party might make a few fundamental changes. That would be better than nothing.


Sure.

Osborne has Massive Damage.

Should be good on PMQ's on Weds
this week

[joeysteele]

Whether labour can get into power or not, there's a chance (small as it may be) that enough damage to the Tories will at LEAST make them realise that people are eventually going to wake up to their worst policies, and their under-the-table deals with their rich buddies, so that the party might make a few fundamental changes. That would be better than nothing.

I really cannot see this going away.
IDS is right until June at least going to be making open and disguised 'digs' at the current Conservative leadership.
The EU referendum, no matter the result, will still be a massive headache for the Conservative party.

I would say arista is right that Labour could not win the next election, not outright anyway,they could get the gains needed to vastly reduce the Conservative seats even with the new boundary changes if they go ahead.

If things carry on as they are,it may even be that Osborne if he remains Chancellor may also be looking at at more austerity for a year or so after 2020.
So obsessed is he with creating an unnecessary surplus.
Which may seem even more unnecessary and misguided by then too.

Also as to Nuclear and Trident, by 2020,the decisions will have been taken and events in place that even Corbyn will have to accept.
I accept your point that the nuclear issue may not be in any as relevant then as it seems to be now.

[user104658]

I actually mean that they're not actually all that relevant now, Joey. They have absolutely no logical place in modern defensive strategy given the way that warfare is going (strategic strikes vs guerilla groups without real nations, rather than nation-on-nation), however they are still largely seen as essential by the older generations who actively remember the peak of, or at least the tail end of, nuclear tensions during the cold war. In a few decades time I think you'll see a much higher proportion of the adult population who feel that billions on nukes is money down the drain.

[DemolitionRed]

Ever since he was elected, Jeremy Corbyn has been saying that a) David Cameron and George Osborne should stop prioritising deficit clearance above all else, no matter the human cost; b) they should stop cutting benefits for working-age claimants while protecting the better off; and c) they show little interest in the lives of people who don’t vote Conservative. Day after day, week after week, Mr Corbyn has made all those points – and yet hardly anyone listened.

Now that Mr Duncan Smith has made the exact same points, however, everyone is listening. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/12199704/Iain-Duncan-Smith-embarrasses-David-Cameron-and-gives-Jeremy-Corbyn-a-lesson.html

[waterhog]

Ever since he was elected, Jeremy Corbyn has been saying that a) David Cameron and George Osborne should stop prioritising deficit clearance above all else, no matter the human cost; b) they should stop cutting benefits for working-age claimants while protecting the better off; and c) they show little interest in the lives of people who don’t vote Conservative. Day after day, week after week, Mr Corbyn has made all those points – and yet hardly anyone listened.

Now that Mr Duncan Smith has made the exact same points, however, everyone is listening. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/12199704/Iain-Duncan-Smith-embarrasses-David-Cameron-and-gives-Jeremy-Corbyn-a-lesson.html


I think we are all listening because the point you are missing is that the con partys fundamental rule is to look after and help the rich get richer and not in anyway help the poor.

[DemolitionRed]

I think we are all listening because the point you are missing is that the con partys fundamental rule is to look after and help the rich get richer and not in anyway help the poor.

Some of us were listening and now more of us are listening but not everyone will listen. There are still people, even on here who can see no wrong in the conservative party.

[joeysteele]

I think to be fair, this is the truly worst Conservative govt aided fully by the Lib Dems in the years between 2010 and 2015,as to really shocking and in my view unjust policies directed constantly at the mos vulnerable.

I do think,to be fair to them,Conservative govts from 1951 onwards did largely accept the welfare system,worked with it and and at times enhanced it.
Even Margaret Thatchers extreme looking govts still never treated the sick and disabled like this PM and his govt have done.

David Cameron once indicated the old nasty Tory party was gone, well clearly not so and what there is now is a nastier and also greatly more heartless bunch running the current one.
I still say too, it was IDS discriminatory and cruel plans that were adopted by the current leadership from 2010 onwards.

There are many decent MPs in the Conservative party, just when they are going to wake up and take over the party is another matter.

It does have to be added too however, that Tony Blair and his Labour govts failed the most vulnerable too,and when in far better times too.
He and his govts should have ensured that the most vulnerable had protection as to their incomes and other entitlements that were made really secure and near untouchable.

[Northern Monkey]

I think to be fair, this is the truly worst Conservative govt aided fully by the Lib Dems in the years between 2010 and 2015,as to really shocking and in my view unjust policies directed constantly at the mos vulnerable.

I do think,to be fair to them,Conservative govts from 1951 onwards did largely accept the welfare system,worked with it and and at times enhanced it.
Even Margaret Thatchers extreme looking govts still never treated the sick and disabled like this PM and his govt have done.

David Cameron once indicated the old nasty Tory party was gone, well clearly not so and what there is now is a nastier and also greatly more heartless bunch running the current one.
I still say too, it was IDS discriminatory and cruel plans that were adopted by the current leadership from 2010 onwards.

There are many decent MPs in the Conservative party, just when they are going to wake up and take over the party is another matter.

It does have to be added too however, that Tony Blair and his Labour govts failed the most vulnerable too,and when in far better times too.
He and his govts should have ensured that the most vulnerable had protection as to their incomes and other entitlements that were made really secure and near untouchable.I agree:thumbs:

[user104658]

I think to be fair, this is the truly worst Conservative govt aided fully by the Lib Dems in the years between 2010 and 2015,as to really shocking and in my view unjust policies directed constantly at the mos vulnerable.

I do think,to be fair to them,Conservative govts from 1951 onwards did largely accept the welfare system,worked with it and and at times enhanced it.
Even Margaret Thatchers extreme looking govts still never treated the sick and disabled like this PM and his govt have done.

David Cameron once indicated the old nasty Tory party was gone, well clearly not so and what there is now is a nastier and also greatly more heartless bunch running the current one.
I still say too, it was IDS discriminatory and cruel plans that were adopted by the current leadership from 2010 onwards.

There are many decent MPs in the Conservative party, just when they are going to wake up and take over the party is another matter.

It does have to be added too however, that Tony Blair and his Labour govts failed the most vulnerable too,and when in far better times too.
He and his govts should have ensured that the most vulnerable had protection as to their incomes and other entitlements that were made really secure and near untouchable.
Yeah, they've achieved what a few years so was unthinkable; the history books will look back on Thatcher as merely a precursor to something worse.

[MTVN]

Except inequality actually narrowed under the coalition and that government had a pretty good record on child poverty. I find it strange to talk about the welfare state being stronger under Thatcher when the state had changed so much by 2010 that the available welfare provisions were far greater in the last government than they ever were pre-Blair.

[user104658]

Except inequality actually narrowed under the coalition and that government had a pretty good record on child poverty. I find it strange to talk about the welfare state being stronger under Thatcher when the state had changed so much by 2010 that the available welfare provisions were far greater in the last government than they ever were pre-Blair.

It's not really about what's available so much as what they are attempting to do / what their desires are. Which is to dismantle the state to the extent that the only people who are protected from a potentially massive decline in living standards are the rich. It's not just about welfare, it's the entire philosophy of privitisation, and the removal / destruction of public services of all kinds.

[waterhog]

we all got crabs now omg

[DemolitionRed]

It's not really about what's available so much as what they are attempting to do / what their desires are. Which is to dismantle the state to the extent that the only people who are protected from a potentially massive decline in living standards are the rich. It's not just about welfare, it's the entire philosophy of privitisation, and the removal / destruction of public services of all kinds.

Absolutely agree. Its about the neo-liberal ideal. Thatcher fired the starting pistol and every government since her, including Labour (especially Blair) have built up from her foundations. What we are seeing here is a government on a race to the finishing line.

The trouble is, Cameron misread his own party! One of the first principles of a neoliberal state is: We must all be in this together (apart from the poor and destitute but then who cares about them).

Which just proves that Cameron is rather stupid. That's good, I like my enemies stupid.

[Kizzy]

I was really happy initially and then I was annoyed, he's just the first to admit he's made his contribution to the destruction of the welfare system as well as sh*tloads of money and is now heading for the hills pointing fingers at everyone else but himself for every unpopular decision made. He's never going to be leader again so he is effectively just freed himself up to concentrate on the next destructive venture, Europe.

[user104658]

I was really happy initially and then I was annoyed, he's just the first to admit he's made his contribution to the destruction of the welfare system as well as sh*tloads of money and is now heading for the hills pointing fingers at everyone else but himself for every unpopular decision made. He's never going to be leader again so he is effectively just freed himself up to concentrate on the next destructive venture, Europe.

I don't know, I think he's sort of shot himself in the foot a bit. I think he was maybe trying to say "Hey look everyone, I'm a nice, honest, caring guy after all!" but, if we are to believe that's true, we must also believe something else. That he has been weak, ineffective, and easily lead and controlled and scapegoated by the people he's now pointing the finger at. He's utterly sabotaged any image of himself as a strong, capable politician who won't simply be lead by the next "bigger boy" who tells him what to do.

[Kizzy]

I don't know, I think he's sort of shot himself in the foot a bit. I think he was maybe trying to say "Hey look everyone, I'm a nice, honest, caring guy after all!" but, if we are to believe that's true, we must also believe something else. That he has been weak, ineffective, and easily lead and controlled and scapegoated by the people he's now pointing the finger at. He's utterly sabotaged any image of himself as a strong, capable politician who won't simply be lead by the next "bigger boy" who tells him what to do.

In this game of imperialistic sims he has played a blinder, the wealth is safely funneled to the top and he will be congratulated on that by those whose opinion he respects. The rest of us? Inconsequential.

[DemolitionRed]

I agree with the both of you. I'm another one who went through a curb of emotions about this guy but all I'm left with is anger. Too many people have already suffered in this mans hands; too many people have become homeless or destitute and too many people have died as a result of his policies.

[DemolitionRed]

This is a hilarious article!

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/mar/20/pri…

[michael21]

what will he do now I wonder

[bots]

what will he do now I wonder

Back Boris for leader at a guess

[michael21]

Back Boris for leader at a guess

bloody hell

[user104658]

This is a hilarious article!

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/mar/20/pri…

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/mar/20/princess-iain-duncan-smith-eyelids-three-marriage-shaft-poor

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[DemolitionRed]

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/mar/20/princess-iain-duncan-smith-eyelids-three-marriage-shaft-poor

(Your link was broken)

Thank you!

[Kizzy]

I think that may be nearer to the real reason for the step down DR, as the cuts were to be reversed. Cuts have been seen as contributory in deaths in other welfare policies, IDS has to distance himself from any concrete decision making due to accusations of human rights abuses?
'We are all in this together' comes into play then, no one minister can be held accountable so none of them will be... :/

[DemolitionRed]

Back Boris for leader at a guess

Yeah, whilst bumbling Boris likes to come over as a very nice dappy sort of chap, he's actually an incredibly clever self absorbed narcissist who puts his own ambitions before anything else.

[Kizzy]

Like some strange hybrid of Francis Fulford and Brian Blessed Boris never answers a questions, he just bombastically booms poppycock or some such nonsense word at the questioner to throw them off before asking a question of his own.

[Kizzy]

And the replacement?...... :umm2:

The newly appointed Work and Pensions Secretary Stephen Crabb has previously been the subject of criticism for appearing to have links to a ‘gay cure’ organisation.

Prime Minister David Cameron announced today that Mr Crabb will replace Iain Duncan Smith in the senior cabinet role. In 2012, claims emerged that Mr Crabb was employing interns through a homophobic religious fundamentalist organisation and had begun his political career through involvement in the same scheme when he was young.

Pink News reported that the MP employed interns in his parliamentary office through a scheme organised and funded by Christian Action Research and Education (CARE). CARE has previously sponsored events which refer to gay and bisexual people as “sexually broken” and advocating that they can become “ex-gay”. The organisation has funded internship places for young people to be placed with MPs as researchers or interns.

Addressing the concerns in 2012, Mr Crabb confirmed that he had received interns from the scheme while an MP. However, despite criticism of CARE, he refused to distance himself from the group when asked, The Daily Telegraph reported.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/stephen-crabb-new-dwp-secretary-criticised-for-links-to-gay-cure-group-a6941281.html

[Beso]

I'm sure he doesn't need the money. A great guy. Good luck for the future Ian.:thumbs:

named and suspected pedo, hope he gets whats coming to him.