Rylan insists that Celebrity Big Brother will follow civilian Big Brother

[zakman440]

Rylan Clark-Neal has cleared up those intriguing rumours that this year's Big Brother and Celebrity Big Brother will be mashed together to create a Super CBB.

Sort of...

Speaking to Digital Spy about reports that this year's CBB housemates could find themselves living with non-famous ones, Rylan said: "There's still going to be a Big Brother in the summer and there's still going to be a Celebrity Big Brother.

"This is the first year I'm out of the loop because I have to be. Be prepared for the unexpected, and I can say that more for this than any other series of Big Brother.

"I mean, I'd love it [a BB and CBB mash-up]. But when I say celebrities, I don't think we're talking A-listers. I don't think we're talking massive but I do like the concept of mixing it up. But for us, it's a brand new show this year."

Reluctantly ignoring our pleas for more information, the star promised: "Everything's coming very soon. The new look, new treatment, new feel. It's a brand new show this year.

"Which is scary for me and Emma [Willis], scary for the production team, and very scary for the housemates. It feels like we're starting a new school. It's like going to big school."

On CBB housemate rumours which currently include Lady Colin Campbell, Helen Flanagan and GoggleBox's Stephen and Chris, he added: "Of course they'd make great housemates.

"When you see a list that's printed in the paper, I always say this - and I shouldn't but I will - 50% is normally right. If they're being rumoured, they're being rumoured for a reason.

"But, anyone can drop out at any time. Until they walk through those doors, we don't even know."

Read more: http://www.digitalspy.com/tv/celebrity-big-brother/news/a793619/rylan-clark-neal-theres-still-going-to-be-a-big-brother-and-a-celebrity-big-brother/

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[TomC]

Thank ****! I mean he doesn't explicitly state that BB won't include celebs, but I guess I'll take it as that.

[Pete.]

It's a brand new show this year.


:conf2:

[Cal.]

Lol it's probably not even the same format

[Headie]

But for us, it's a brand new show this year.

Reluctantly ignoring our pleas for more information, the star promised: "Everything's coming very soon. The new look, new treatment, new feel. It's a brand new show this year.

Which is scary for me and Emma [Willis], scary for the production team, and very scary for the housemates. It feels like we're starting a new school. It's like going to big school.

They're gonna adopt the BBUS format aren't they and idk how I feel about that :worry: The celeb format will prob stay the traditional format too

[Cal.]

It can't be the BBUS format as they wouldn't make any money from the show.

[Pete.]

BB Brazil format? (HoH, two noms and public vote)

[Marsh.]

Sack the horseface twat.

[RichardG]

BB Brazil format? (HoH, two noms and public vote)

That would be fine

Not here for the full US format tho

[VanessaFeltz.]

maybe normal nominations?

[Jake.]

so in other words its "civilians" (models, djs and a 40+ year old woman) vs someone from geordie shore, a few other models and steve from gogglebox

[Lostie!]

They're gonna adopt the BBUS format aren't they and idk how I feel about that :worry: The celeb format will prob stay the traditional format too

They better ****ing not. D:

[Maxxie.]

I'd like to see a reverse format where the public nominates (always two housemates) and the housemates vote. Just different that's all.

[Maxxie.]

Wait, I just thought, maybe if the public nominated like 6 housemates every week which would be announced to the house on Tuesday than the six housemates would then campaign BBUS style for the next three days in order to stay, it'll bring more of a game element to the show. If it works, then they could try US format.

[Jack_]

just give us the damn US format and I'll actually cum on this forum

No idea why anyone would want HoH and Veto comps but for the public to still vote, that's absolutely pointless in a game sense. May as well keep whatever messy nonsense we have now

I'd like to see a reverse format where the public nominates (always two housemates) and the housemates vote. Just different that's all.

I'd actually be here for this, it's not a bad idea. Would have to be vote to save though, omfg a dullard would go every week and it'd be amazing :cheer2:

[Marsh.]

He also promised to love Dan until death do them part but we know it won't last.

[Rob!]

Tbf it's lasted longer than people thought it would.

[TomC]

Thinking about it, I really want normal BB to adopt the US/Canada format. I just love it, and I think they need to try something different, and the BBCAN format is just amazing.

Trying something like this is what the show needs - having a new format will hopefully stop the manipulation and also the current format always leaves us with a boring end of series anyway.

[billy123]

just give us the damn US format and I'll actually cum on this forum

No idea why anyone would want HoH and Veto comps but for the public to still vote, that's absolutely pointless in a game sense. May as well keep whatever messy nonsense we have now



I'd actually be here for this, it's not a bad idea. Would have to be vote to save though, omfg a dullard would go every week and it'd be amazing :cheer2:No. Thats just dumb.

[Denver]

just give us the damn US format and I'll actually cum on this forum

No idea why anyone would want HoH and Veto comps but for the public to still vote, that's absolutely pointless in a game sense. May as well keep whatever messy nonsense we have now



I'd actually be here for this, it's not a bad idea. Would have to be vote to save though, omfg a dullard would go every week and it'd be amazing :cheer2:

How the hell do you expect them to make money from that?

[TomC]

Oh yeah actually I can't imagien C5 wanting to lose the voting revenue.

[Jason.]

I hate it when people say they want BBUK to adopt the US/Can format. Then it's not BBUK. You already have two international BB's that follow that format, so just watch them. BBUK doesn't need to adopt the US/Can format to be good. The UK format is capable of producing a good series (like BB5-7 or more recently BB13-14) it just needs better casting and a decent production team (mainly the latter). The last two series didn't have that hence why they were so awful.

[TomC]

I genuinely think the US format is more interesting though and works better, hence why I want to see British people doing it.

[Ross.]

I don't want BBUK to adopt the CAN/US format, I do enjoy it but that's why I watch BBUS and BBCAN. Having another follow the same format would just ruin my enjoyment tbh.

[Jack_]

No. Thats just dumb.

Yeah because a format of face to face nominations -> every housemate with one nom goes up -> public actually votes for those with no noms -> tag nominations -> one person nominates three people -> face to face nominations -> nominees open a glittery envelope to see who's evicted -> DR noms but then they're shown to the house -> evicted housemate moves into a Bedsit type room etc etc etc isn't dumb at all :rolleyes:

How the hell do you expect them to make money from that?

Err...well in the second example you still have the public vote, and dare I say a vote to save amongst the whole house every week would generate more revenue than they do now.

Under the US format just do what they and Canada do and have more product placement and sponsorship, it's already started so just let it continue? Or create a better website and encourage viewers to visit it to vote on things which affect the game like the Canadian's do, then there's online advertising.

If that fails there's always a way they can tweak the US format to still include the public vote (although crucially not over who's directly evicted, I still fail to understand why anyone would think that is a worthwhile idea :conf:).

Just have the HoH nom three people, play the Veto as normal, then the public votes to save one of the nominees and the housemates vote on the remaining two. You're still making money, you're still giving the public some input and you're actually adding another dynamic to the game rather than removing it completely. Easy.

[Jack_]

I hate it when people say they want BBUK to adopt the US/Can format. Then it's not BBUK. You already have two international BB's that follow that format, so just watch them. BBUK doesn't need to adopt the US/Can format to be good. The UK format is capable of producing a good series (like BB5-7 or more recently BB13-14) it just needs better casting and a decent production team (mainly the latter). The last two series didn't have that hence why they were so awful.

And I hate it when people insist they don't want to adopt the US format when they've never even seen an episode of it (this isn't directed at you, just in general). What we have now isn't BBUK, it's so far removed it's laughable. And more to the point - the UK format sucks compared to the US and Canada one. Why would I just want it to continue just because 'that's BBUK' when the other is more interesting? Essential housemates being evicted by the clueless public and people making it far/winners being crowned cause they're attractive dull men OR letting the housemates get on with it themselves and actually have to earn their place in the house and succeed on merit and not just through virtue of never speaking a word and being a man? Yeah, I know what I'd prefer.

I genuinely think the US format is more interesting though and works better, hence why I want to see British people doing it.

Makes me so happy to see newcomers to BBUS and BBCan think this way, reminds me of what happened to me. Welcome to the club :clap1:

[Pete.]

I don't see the point in having 3 BBUSA formats especially when BBUSA and BBUK run alongside each other

[Jack_]

I don't see the point in having 3 BBUSA formats especially when BBUSA and BBUK run alongside each other

Because the UK format sucks in comparison :joker:

Why would I want BBUK to continue having a format where the clueless public ruin series with their atrocious eviction patterns and allow people to go far into the series through nothing other than never speaking a word and being lucky enough to be a man? Why that when we could have a format that still incites drama (which the producers are always after), is based on one's own effort and merit and is actually more true to the 'social experiment' line people like to peddle? It's a no brainer.

[Denver]

If the public are going to watch the show why shouldn't they have a say?

[Jack_]

If the public are going to watch the show why shouldn't they have a say?

The Apprentice and Bake Off are just two formats that the public no say in and they're some of the most successful shows on TV :shrug:

Watching a TV show doesn't give you the right to be involved, nor should it. Especially when that say is historically proven to be tragic. The public have absolutely no idea what they are talking about and should be kept as far away from control over who's evicted as possible.

[Oliver_W]

Would Ikea pay in sponsorship the amount BB would lose if they dropped the public votes? Perched for HMs saying how much they love their new lamp from Ikea.

Maybe it could be like the BBCan format, but with the public voting out the HMs?

Yeah because a format of face to face nominations -> every housemate with one nom goes up -> public actually votes for those with no noms -> tag nominations -> one person nominates three people -> face to face nominations -> nominees open a glittery envelope to see who's evicted -> DR noms but then they're shown to the house -> evicted housemate moves into a Bedsit type room etc etc etc isn't dumb at all :rolleyes:
Haha blimey, BB16 had almost no "normal nominations"!

[Babayaro.]

Tbf Jack, I haven't watched BBUS/BBCAN but I still know enough about the format in order to form an opinion on it. Yeah, it probably does work well but I still wouldn't want to see it make an appearance over here, as most of the public probably wouldn't understand it and eventually grow tired of it.

[Jack_]

Would Ikea pay in sponsorship the amount BB would lose if they dropped the public votes? Perched for HMs saying how much they love their new lamp from Ikea.

Maybe it could be like the BBCan format, but with the public voting out the HMs?


I actually doubt they're making much money at all on voting revenue these days.

As for the bit in bold - again though, what is the point in that? You'd just be wasting a week playing comps and introducing a strategy-based format only to then leave the crucial part - the eviction - up to the popularity-based (or rather, who's said nothing and is an attractive man) public vote. It renders the entire week pointless, no HoH would achieve anything.

You may as well just stick with whatever messy format we have now if you're still going to give the public control over who's evicted.

[Pete.]

That's how they play it in Brazil

[Jack_]

Tbf Jack, I haven't watched BBUS/BBCAN but I still know enough about the format in order to form an opinion on it. Yeah, it probably does work well but I still wouldn't want to see it make an appearance over here, as most of the public probably wouldn't understand it and eventually grow tired of it.

With respect though, I don't think you can form enough of a well-rounded opinion on it if you haven't seen a fair bit of the show. It'd be like me saying I hate Orange Is The New Black without ever having seen an episode.

I hated the US format and judged it unfairly like many others for years without never having seen it, then I watched the first BBCan and fell in love with it instantly. And I disagree that the public wouldn't understand it, it's not all that complicated when you get used to it - and I'd argue that whatever messy crap we have now is far more complicated and convoluted :joker:

BBUK is on its last legs, what's wrong with giving something totally new a trial run?

[Jack_]

That's how they play it in Brazil

And it sounds stupid. You can't introduce a strategy-based format but then let a popularity vote control who leaves, the entire week becomes pointless.

You could have the public save a nominee before the house vote, that would actually introduce a new dynamic to the game, but to waste time doing a week's worth of competitions and strategy talk only to then hand the eviction over to the public still? What are you gaining?

[Babayaro.]

Also, wouldn't the producers have to cast differently? Like much differently, seeing as they love messy, controversial housemates to bring in the ratings (which doesn't happen) :joker:

I can't see them doing that lol

[Denver]

The Apprentice and Bake Off are just two formats that the public no say in and they're some of the most successful shows on TV :shrug:

Watching a TV show doesn't give you the right to be involved, nor should it. Especially when that say is historically proven to be tragic. The public have absolutely no idea what they are talking about and should be kept as far away from control over who's evicted as possible.

The public can't really vote on whose cake tastes the best or who is capable of running a business can they?

[Jake.]

If the public are going to watch the show why shouldn't they have a say?

That's like the producers of Eastenders saying "we're sticking a poll up on the website! Peggy's just got the chop, but who dies next? It's all down to you!"

[Jack_]

Also, wouldn't the producers have to cast differently? Like much differently, seeing as they love messy, controversial housemates to bring in the ratings (which doesn't happen) :joker:

I can't see them doing that lol

I don't think so no, I mean sure you could cast more game-focused housemates who will stop at nothing to win, but you could still cast the usual personality led housemates and I don't think it'd be a problem, in fact it would probably make things more interesting and messy because a bunch of people with no idea how to play this format trying to make things work would be hilarious :joker:

[LukeB]

The uk format these days is dusty and crap so i'll be here for a change of format, one because it be more interesting and the public doesn't make stupid choices by evicting the bigger characters and two it would make me audition.

[Jack_]

The public can't really vote on whose cake tastes the best or who is capable of running a business can they?

And the public can't really vote on who and who isn't beneficial to a Big Brother series, as proven time and time again :joker:

[Babayaro.]

That's like the producers of Eastenders saying "we're sticking a poll up on the website! Peggy's just got the chop, but who dies next? It's all down to you!"

I'd start watching Eastenders if this happened tbh

[Denver]

That's like the producers of Eastenders saying "we're sticking a poll up on the website! Peggy's just got the chop, but who dies next? It's all down to you!"

2 total different type of shows.

Would people still watch the X Factor, BGT or SCD if they took away the public vote? Why they are there they may aswell only give the juries the option to vote on Eurovision

[Denver]

And the public can't really vote on who and who isn't beneficial to a Big Brother series, as proven time and time again :joker:

Well yes they can as they sit watching them every night for 3 months and each different person has a different idea on who they want to win so if you don't like it then it isn't the show for you

[TomC]

delete

[Babayaro.]

For once I kind of agree with Adam :worry:

Not my downfall

[TomC]

I didn't actually like the format when I'd not seen BBCAN, but actually the format makes for absolutely compelling viewing IMO.

And I would rather take a BBUS-style BBUK than BBUK in it's current state. And tbh, I don't think they'll ever strip it back to basic noms every week under the current format, so I'll welcome a format change.

[TomC]

2 total different type of shows.

Would people still watch the X Factor, BGT or SCD if they took away the public vote? Why they are there they may aswell only give the juries the option to vote on Eurovision

You just said we can't judge people's cakes, yet we are in a good position to judge Hindu monk-yodelling on BGT and the Paso Doble on SCD?

[Jack_]

2 total different type of shows.

Would people still watch the X Factor, BGT or SCD if they took away the public vote? Why they are there they may aswell only give the juries the option to vote on Eurovision

The first Popstars had no public vote and was extremely successful and actually led the charge for the multitude of talent shows we have today.

Being able to vote on a TV show is not a God-given right, it's just something a few shows in the UK choose to do. Doesn't always happen in the US and it doesn't mean it has to happen here either.

The quicker the clueless public are away from this show, the better.

Well yes they can as they sit watching them every night for 3 months and each different person has a different idea on who they want to win so if you don't like it then it isn't the show for you

Yes and their 'different idea' is usually 'oh isn't he fit, she's such an ugly slag she can go!!!' :joker: it's entirely unfounded and ruins series after series and then rather ironically the same people have the audacity to complain that the show has become 'boring'

[Greg!]

I wouldn't mind if they introduced elements of BBUS or BBCAN but it needs to keep the public vote. One of the worst things about the last BBCAN is that the best people were voted out when the public would have kept them

[TomC]

^ You can't have a strategy based game and public decisions as well, like Jack said.

[Jack_]

I wouldn't mind if they introduced elements of BBUS or BBCAN but it needs to keep the public vote. One of the worst things about the last BBCAN is that the best people were voted out when the public would have kept them

Yeah, the Canadian's would have kept them. If the UK's favourites were as good as they (usually) are over there, I'd be happy to keep the public vote. But they aren't. So it would still be a total waste of time.

[Jason.]

And I hate it when people insist they don't want to adopt the US format when they've never even seen an episode of it (this isn't directed at you, just in general). What we have now isn't BBUK, it's so far removed it's laughable. And more to the point - the UK format sucks compared to the US and Canada one. Why would I just want it to continue just because 'that's BBUK' when the other is more interesting? Essential housemates being evicted by the clueless public and people making it far/winners being crowned cause they're attractive dull men OR letting the housemates get on with it themselves and actually have to earn their place in the house and succeed on merit and not just through virtue of never speaking a word and being a man? Yeah, I know what I'd prefer.


I know it wasn't directed at me, but I've seen half of BBCan4 and the first week of BBCan1 as well as some clips of BBUSA, so I think I know the format well enough to form my own opinion on it and come up with the conclusion that I don't want BBUK to adopt the US/Can format. Don't get me wrong though, it's a brilliant format (well BBCan is anyway).

I don't see the point in having 3 BBUSA formats especially when BBUSA and BBUK run alongside each other

This is a good point. You have BBCan which runs from March till May and then a few weeks later BBUK starts and then a few weeks later BBUSA starts and they're on at the same time. Wouldn't that just get stale, having the exact same format running for 6 months straight? You're ideally watching the same thing. It may be a good format now, but that doesn't mean it will maintain its freshness as the years go by. It's the same thing with shows like IAC/XF/BGT - they all started off as good formats, but now they're just stale. And these are shows which air once a year fgs.

The uk format these days is dusty and crap so i'll be here for a change of format, one because it be more interesting and the public doesn't make stupid choices by evicting the bigger characters and two it would make me audition.

It's not like BBCan/BBUSA's eviction orders are any better most of the time. I mean from what I watched of BBCan4, the eviction order was terrible. You had people like Sharry and Loveita who didn't even make it to jury. And don't even get me started on who ended up winning the series :joker:

Plus most of the good housemates who have made it far in BBUK wouldn't have if the USA/Can format had been implemented.

Neither are perfect.

[TomC]

I think in terms of BBUK as a whole though, this is a null point, as for the majoriity of BBUK viewers this is a fresh, new format.

[Jason.]

Well yeah obviously. But I don't think BBUK needs a new format though. :shrug: Like I've said on numerous occasions, the format itself is actually a good one - it's just executed appalingly by C5 (especially in the last two years).

Just my opinion :)

[LukeB]

It's not like BBCan/BBUSA's eviction orders are any better most of the time. I mean from what I watched of BBCan4, the eviction order was terrible. You had people like Sharry and Loveita who didn't even make it to jury. And don't even get me started on who ended up winning the series :joker:

Plus most of the good housemates who have made it far in BBUK wouldn't have if the USA/Can format had been implemented.

Neither are perfect.

But that's just one season though which doesn't happen on every season unlike the UK. BBCAN had 3 good winners in a row with one bad one. BBCAN is more perfect than UK and USA can be slightly better than the UK as well.

with BBCAN4 the good characters did actually get far into the game.

[Marsh.]

Well yeah obviously. But I don't think BBUK needs a new format though. :shrug: Like I've said on numerous occasions, the format itself is actually a good one - it's just executed appalingly by C5 (especially in the last two years).

Just my opinion :)

:clap1:

[LukeB]

The uk format

Rebecca "shut up you ****"
Emma "Rebecca you have been evicted".. over someone like Pav

This does not happen on BBCAN/USA :fan:

[TomC]

The uk format

Rebecca "shut up you ****"
Emma "Rebecca you have been evicted".. over someone like Pav

This does not happen on BBCAN/USA :fan:

:clap2:

Love it!

The thing is, I was thinking last night, and this is kind of in response to Jason's response: there's no market for a back to basics BBUK IMO. They need to try something new.

Also, I BBCAN4 has left me wanting more, even though I was bitterly disappointed with the result.

[LukeB]

:clap2:

Love it!

The thing is, I was thinking last night, and this is kind of in response to Jason's response: there's no market for a back to basics BBUK IMO. They need to try something new.

Also, I BBCAN4 has left me wanting more, even though I was bitterly disappointed with the result.

You need to watch BBCAN1-3 amazing seasons :flutter:.. tbh 1-4 are miles better than C5 big brothers/CBBs and some C4s ones.

BBCAN4 had a tragic boot order but they were still people who contributed to the show , love them or hate them.. Cassandra/Joel/Nikki/Kelsey/bros/Tim made it far and none of them were boring in anyway. I hate the brothers but they contributed to the show.

[TomC]

Yeah it could have been worse and they did play the game well.

I should watch BBCAN1-3 at some point but I'm tied up in BB11 atm!

[Greg!]

^ You can't have a strategy based game and public decisions as well, like Jack said.

Yes you can?

[TomC]

Yes you can?

You can't mix them because then people's strategy can be ruined by the public and there's potential for the public to stop people winning regardless of their merit as a gameplayer. It just wouldn't work.

[Greg!]

I literally do not care if the "best game player" wins or not I'm just interested in entertainment

[TomC]

I literally do not care if the "best game player" wins or not I'm just interested in entertainment

Hence why there's no point in mixing them.

And public input ruins gets rid of the entertaining ones IMO.

[Jason.]

:clap2:

Love it!

The thing is, I was thinking last night, and this is kind of in response to Jason's response: there's no market for a back to basics BBUK IMO. They need to try something new.

Also, I BBCAN4 has left me wanting more, even though I was bitterly disappointed with the result.

What? Who said BBUK had to go back to basics?

It'll never be the same as the BB1-BB4 days. And that's fine because I (as well as many others) don't want it to go back to that. But I don't see why it couldn't be the same show it was, say 8-10 years ago.

You're right that there's no market for back to basics BBUK, but I don't think the same applies to the 2005-2008 days of BB. The format hasn't really changed all that much since then, it's just that production has worsened as the years go by. Like compare BB5/6 to BB9/10. The format of the show was exactly the same and hadn't changed in 4/5 years, it was just the production (and casting to some extent) that had weakened since then which is why the latter were inferior series to the former.

[TomC]

But they've added all these twists to the current format and I just realistically am not sure if they'll stop that.

[Greg!]

Hence why there's no point in mixing them.

And public input ruins gets rid of the entertaining ones IMO.

There is a point because when there has been strategy aspects in past BBUKs like when they could talk about noms in BB13 and the girl power thing in BB15 it has been entertaining. And the public usually only makes bad decisions when its vote to evict rather than vote to save.

[Jason.]

But they've added all these twists to the current format and I just realistically am not sure if they'll stop that.

BB7 was a heavily twisted series and that's regarded as one of the best series amongst BBUK viewers. BB8 was another series that relied heavily on the twist side of things and although it wasn't viewed positively at the time and probably still isn't now - the meddling then was less damaging than it was in BB15/16. My point is you make it sound like 'twisted' BB has just come about in recent years when in reality it hasn't - it's been around since as far as BB3. It's only worse now because these twists that the producers decide to throw out every other day are awful, unoriginal, and executed with absoloutely no organisation or thought prior whatsoever. And who's to blame for that? The producers, not the 'dying' format.

[Jack_]

It's not like BBCan/BBUSA's eviction orders are any better most of the time. I mean from what I watched of BBCan4, the eviction order was terrible. You had people like Sharry and Loveita who didn't even make it to jury. And don't even get me started on who ended up winning the series :joker:

Plus most of the good housemates who have made it far in BBUK wouldn't have if the USA/Can format had been implemented.

Neither are perfect.

Yeah but at least for the most part the people who make it deep into the game under the US format do so on actual merit and have earned their place through playing well. That's got to be better than the BBUK way which is 'sit back, don't say a word all series, have a penis and be attractive' which is not only an easy strategy, it's completely counter-productive entertainment wise as well.

Sure, the eviction patterns in North America might not always be great but I can stomach my favourite losing out there a lot more than I can in the UK because I know it's mainly their fault and not just because they're unlucky enough to not fulfil the requirements of the clueless voting public.

(side note: Loveita and Sharry really weren't all that)

I literally do not care if the "best game player" wins or not I'm just interested in entertainment

And there's nothing wrong with that, you're in the majority.

But if you don't care about the game don't then comment on how it could work with the public vote still in tact because it couldn't. You'd have people vying to be HoH to target somebody, playing a whole week of comps and having game talk all throughout, only to then leave the decision upon whether your target leaves or not up to a public vote where people leave based upon who's spoken or who's an attractive man :shrug: how are you supposed to play a strategy based game within those confines? You'd have an HoH target someone, them be saved, them target the previous HoH, then be saved, rinse and repeat all series long. It doesn't work, it's pointless.

At least if you had the public save a nominee before the house vote you're adding a new dynamic to the game because they could be the target and then the public throws a spanner in the works and saves them, but the house can still decide who to vote out of the remaining two. If you still leave the ultimate decision upon who's evicted to the public, that isn't a strategic game. It's a popularity contest.

[Greg!]

As I said earlier I'm not bothered if allowing the public to vote "ruins someone's target" or whatever. I'm only bothered about the entertainment. All I'm saying is to freshen up the show they could consider keeping the basic format the same but adding in elements of BBUS.

And don't tell me what I can and can't comment on.

[Jack_]

As I said earlier I'm not bothered if allowing the public to vote "ruins someone's target" or whatever. I'm only bothered about the entertainment. All I'm saying is to freshen up the show they could consider keeping the basic format the same but adding in elements of BBUS.

And don't tell me what I can and can't comment on.

It doesn't matter if you're not personally bothered if it ruins someone's target or not, it still does.

You yourself said 'yes you can' to someone saying you can't mix a strategy format with a popularity one, but haven't actually said why other than 'I don't care about the game just entertainment' and 'I don't care if it ruins someones target'? That may be true and you're entitled to feel that way, but that's not really an argument against Tom's post is it? :joker:

I suggested you didn't comment because if you supposedly don't care about the game, why are you responding to posts saying a game-format could work with a public vote? That's contradictory

[TomC]

I'm just gonna leave Jack to argue this case as I feel he puts it better than me :laugh:

[zakman440]

I've given it some thought and I'm now not objected to the US format being implemented over here tbh. Don't get me wrong, I'd prefer them to just implement the BBAU points/superpower nominations system then give the public both VTE/VTS, but if they're not going to do that then I wouldn't mind them trailing the US format for a series, seeing if it works and then possibly keeping it in the future.

Sure, they'd lose voting revenue, but as others have said - product placement opportunities are available. Not to mention the fact they could introduce a subscription-based Live Feed on the website (they just need to do this anyway tbh) which could replace the voting revenue + increase visitors to the BB website (again, an advertisement opportunity is there). It honestly wouldn't be as bad as some are making it out to be - the excecutives in charge of Big Brother obviously aren't going anywhere any time soon (apart from Smith's voluntary departure) so they might as well experiment with other formats to see what works and what doesn't. Anything's got to be better than the past two years worth of BBUK.

(Quite how we got to this subject from Rylan's "it's completely different" spiel that he says every year I have no idea)

[Greg!]

It doesn't matter if you're not personally bothered if it ruins someone's target or not, it still does.

So???? Poor them!

I think a good combo of two formats would be having a HOH each week who would make one killer nomination which would cause drams as they'd have to do it face to face. Later in the week the rest of the housemates would nominate as normal, and the fact they'd be allowed to talk about them would add to paranoia in the house.

I just think taking away public vote from the UK version would ruin the whole point of it and people would turn off in their droves. Almost every eviction in BBUK that hasn't had a public vote has been awful as big characters have mostly left.

[zakman440]

One could argue though that viewers have already turned off in their droves (Timebomb was the lowest rating series yet, with ratings dipping under the 1m mark on some nights) so it's better to try something new rather than continuing with the same failing format?

[Jack_]

I've given it some thought and I'm now not objected to the US format being implemented over here tbh. Don't get me wrong, I'd prefer them to just implement the BBAU points/superpower nominations system then give the public both VTE/VTS, but if they're not going to do that then I wouldn't mind them trailing the US format for a series, seeing if it works and then possibly keeping it in the future.

Sure, they'd lose voting revenue, but as others have said - product placement opportunities are available. Not to mention the fact they could introduce a subscription-based Live Feed on the website (they just need to do this anyway tbh) which could replace the voting revenue + increase visitors to the BB website (again, an advertisement opportunity is there). It honestly wouldn't be as bad as some are making it out to be - the excecutives in charge of Big Brother obviously aren't going anywhere any time soon (apart from Smith's voluntary departure) so they might as well experiment with other formats to see what works and what doesn't. Anything's got to be better than the past two years worth of BBUK.

(Quite how we got to this subject from Rylan's "it's completely different" spiel that he says every year I have no idea)

I agree, good example about the live feed too - that's another thing, if they're gonna implement the US format it is essential, you literally cannot understand the dynamics of the game without it.

BIB - idk, as much as I would love this to happen people who are opposed can relax, it will never. The BBUK producers are nowhere near daring or creative enough to actually go out on a limb and attempt this. I guarantee the 'nothing will ever be the same again' stuff is just yet more typical hyperbole **** which'll entail something like two houses existing without knowing about the other and more messy face to face noms that'll ROCK THE HOUSE!!!11

So???? Poor them!

I think a good combo of two formats would be having a HOH each week who would make one killer nomination which would cause drams as they'd have to do it face to face. Later in the week the rest of the housemates would nominate as normal, and the fact they'd be allowed to talk about them would add to paranoia in the house.

I just think taking away public vote from the UK version would ruin the whole point of it and people would turn off in their droves. Almost every eviction in BBUK that hasn't had a public vote has been awful as big characters have mostly left.

Again, that's your subjective opinion. I don't actually disagree with it btw, HoH's failing can be good for entertainment but it doesn't change the fact that having your target stay because they're saved in a popularity vote as opposed to flipping the house vote themselves renders trying to play a strategy-based game pointless. You can't do both at the same time.

I'm sure what you've suggested is actually a format somewhere else but I don't think there's much strategy in that at all which is what we're arguing about so I'll just leave that there, although I would say that the US format itself lends itself to drama, the BBUK producers love face to face noms - well you'd have that at a nomination ceremony every week :joker:

People are turning off in their droves as it is! What is there to lose at this point? May as well give something drastic a trial run rather than pursue whatever messy nonsense we have as a format now. Also Sam (BB16) was a dullard, Vanessa (and Makosi) were at first facing a public vote so they're still to blame, same for Gerry (and Carole), Danielle's probably the only genuine example of it not working out.

[Greg!]

One could argue though that viewers have already turned off in their droves (Timebomb was the lowest rating series yet, with ratings dipping under the 1m mark on some nights) so it's better to try something new rather than continuing with the same failing format?

That's why I'm suggesting changing the format up a bit. But changing it into a completely different show which BBUS/BBCAN basically is would not help because the public would not like power taken away from them.

[Greg!]

Jack lets just agree to disagree, you clearly value gameplay and strategy over entertainment, and I'm the opposite. :)

[Cal.]

There will always be a public vote involved as that is how Channel 5 make a profit from the show. There probably won't even be a new format - now they've announced there's 2 gardens it'll probably be two seperate houses with two seperate casts with two people evicted every week for a couple of weeks before the houses are merged together in the final few weeks. It's been rumoured on and off since the first series.

[Jack_]

Jack lets just agree to disagree, you clearly value gameplay and strategy over entertainment, and I'm the opposite. :)

I actually don't? :conf: I even said HoH's failing is entertaining, personally I think the US format lends itself to more entertainment, that's why I prefer it

My point was that you're arguing a strategy based format can coincide with a public vote and they can't, the two cancel each other out. It has nothing to do with whether you or I think it would be entertaining, you said it wouldn't make gameplay pointless, I'm saying it would

[TomC]

Who said the BBCAN format isn't entertaining Greg? It clearly is, possibly more so, as there is a new element added to the show.

And I wholeheartedly agree with Jack; you can implement bits of strategy to the current format, but you can't involve the public on a format that is based on gameplay. Otherwise there is no point in 'playing a game' as your game could be ruined at any point by an external force over which you have control. It literally doesn't work.

[TomC]

There will always be a public vote involved as that is how Channel 5 make a profit from the show. There probably won't even be a new format - now they've announced there's 2 gardens it'll probably be two seperate houses with two seperate casts with two people evicted every week for a couple of weeks before the houses are merged together in the final few weeks. It's been rumoured on and off since the first series.

this is probably the truth tbh.

[Nerd]

I think a good way of keeping public involved but having US/CAN rules would be to have the HoH nominate three houseguests, and then have a Viewer's Veto to save one of the three before the normal PoV competition resumes.

[TomC]

I think a good way of keeping public involved but having US/CAN rules would be to have the HoH nominate three houseguests, and then have a Viewer's Veto to save one of the three before the normal PoV competition resumes.

I actually really like this. It doesn't actually interfere much as still if the HMs campaign well enough inside the house they can stay.

[Greg!]

Who said the BBCAN format isn't entertaining Greg? It clearly is, possibly more so, as there is a new element added to the show.

And I wholeheartedly agree with Jack; you can implement bits of strategy to the current format, but you can't involve the public on a format that is based on gameplay. Otherwise there is no point in 'playing a game' as your game could be ruined at any point by an external force over which you have control. It literally doesn't work.

You really are not getting my point. It does not matter if someone's game could be ruined by the public. My point is that aspects from BBUS could add to the entertainment value of BBUK. Whether or not letting the public vote in evictions enables housemates to "play the game well" is irrelevant.

[Greg!]

but that's just my opinion
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[TomC]

You really are not getting my point. It does not matter if someone's game could be ruined by the public. What matters is that aspects from BBUS could add to the entertainment value of BBUK. Whether or not letting the public vote in evictions enables housemates to "play the game well" is irrelevant.

You never actually said you wanted to 'add elements of BBUS to BBUK' though, you said you wanted to involve the public in the BBUS format, which as I've said, wouldn't work. If that wasn't what you were meaning, you should have made yourself clearer.

It is relevant, whether the public can destroy a good gameplayer's chances. It's not fair. Hence why, for example, there is a huge uproar when one of the best dancers are voted out of Strictly.

[Greg!]

You never actually said you wanted to 'add elements of BBUS to BBUK' though, you said you wanted to involve the public in the BBUS format, which as I've said, wouldn't work. If that wasn't what you were meaning, you should have made yourself clearer.


Yes I did say that though?
Literally my first post on this topic was

I wouldn't mind if they introduced elements of BBUS or BBCAN but it needs to keep the public vote.

I made myself perfectly "clear" thanks

[Greg!]

Also why is it a necessity that the best game player wins? The winner should be the one who has been most entertaining imho

[TomC]

Yes I did say that though?
Literally my first post on this topic was


I made myself perfectly "clear" thanks

That's my mistake, sorry, but you did go on to say that public vote and strategic gameplay can coexist which I still disagree with, for the reasons I've stated.

Also why is it a necessity that the best game player wins? The winner should be the one who has been most entertaining imho

Because the new format would be an actual competition based on strategic gameplay rather than a popularity contest.

[Greg!]

Well I could sit here and argue all night but it's clear we are not going to convince eachother lmao

[TomC]

I win :hee:

(Jk Sorry)

[Jack_]

You really are not getting my point. It does not matter if someone's game could be ruined by the public. My point is that aspects from BBUS could add to the entertainment value of BBUK. Whether or not letting the public vote in evictions enables housemates to "play the game well" is irrelevant.

So then why did you say this?

^ You can't have a strategy based game and public decisions as well, like Jack said.

Yes you can?

You can think someone's game being ruined is entertaining - I don't necessarily disagree, but the point both of us are making is that you cannot make BBUK a strategic game if the overall control of who's evicted is left up to the public. That's what you disputed.

[Greg!]

You can think someone's game being ruined is entertaining - I don't necessarily disagree, but the point both of us are making is that you cannot make BBUK a strategic game if the overall control of who's evicted is left up to the public. That's what you disputed.

Lol I've never said that I want BBUK to be a "strategic game". All I'm saying is that elements of the North American BB format could be added to BBUK to freshen it up a bit and make it more enjoyable to watch. I don't understand what you're not getting and why you're so pressed?

[Jack_]

Lol I've never said that I want BBUK to be a "strategic game". All I'm saying is that elements of the North American BB format could be added to BBUK to freshen it up a bit and make it more enjoyable to watch. I don't understand what you're not getting and why you're so pressed?

I never said you said that either :unsure: I'm completely aware of what you're saying, but when me and Tom were discussing how it's not possible to have a strategic format if you still keep the public vote as they cancel each other out, you quoted him and said 'yes it is'

That's what we've been discussing the whole time. Not whether we should make it a strategic game, not whether ruining someone's strategy is entertaining, the fact that you cannot make BBUK a strategic game if you still have a public vote. You said you can? I'm not pressed in the slightest, just really confused why you're not seeing what you wrote yourself

[Greg!]

I never said you said that either :unsure: I'm completely aware of what you're saying, but when me and Tom were discussing how it's not possible to have a strategic format if you still keep the public vote as they cancel each other out, you quoted him and said 'yes it is'

That's what we've been discussing the whole time. Not whether we should make it a strategic game, not whether ruining someone's strategy is entertaining, the fact that you cannot make BBUK a strategic game if you still have a public vote. You said you can? I'm not pressed in the slightest, just really confused why you're not seeing what you wrote yourself

I know you can't make it a truly strategic game with a public vote. That's not what I'm suggesting. I'm saying in terms of entertainment BBUK could consider adding elements in North American BB. Which is what I've been saying the whole time :spin:

[Jack_]

I know you can't make it a truly strategic game with a public vote. That's not what I'm suggesting. I'm saying in terms of entertainment BBUK could consider adding elements in North American BB. Which is what I've been saying the whole time :spin:

So then why when Tom said you can't have a strategy based format with a public vote, did you say 'yes you can'? :laugh:

That's what started this whole thing! I know that's what you're suggesting and that's fine, I'm not disputing it, I've just been confused as to why you said 'yes you can' if that's not what you believe lol

[Greg!]

All I'm saying is that mixing BBUK with certain aspects of BBUS (which by its very nature is strategic) could be entertaining and make the show feel a bit fresh and new.
Your point is that it wouldn't work because people's game plans could be ruined. But that's irrelevant to me and the vast majority of BBUK viewers who are interested in being entertained, not ensuring that someone's strategy goes to plan every week.

[Jack_]

All I'm saying is that mixing BBUK with certain aspects of BBUS (which by its very nature is strategic) could be entertaining and make the show feel a bit fresh and new.
Your point is that it wouldn't work because people's game plans could be ruined. But that's irrelevant to me and the vast majority of BBUK viewers who are interested in being entertained, not ensuring that someone's strategy goes to plan every week.

Noooo you're confusing it again :laugh:

I get that you think implementing parts of the US format into the UK one would be entertaining and I get that you don't care if someone's strategy is ruined because of that.

All I'm asking is why you said 'yes you can' to Tom saying you can't make BBUK a strategic game if you still keep the public vote. In your last post you just said you don't think you can, I just wanna know why you said 'yes you can' if that's not what you believe?

[Greg!]

Noooo you're confusing it again :laugh:

I get that you think implementing parts of the US format into the UK one would be entertaining and I get that you don't care if someone's strategy is ruined because of that.

All I'm asking is why you said 'yes you can' to Tom saying you can't make BBUK a strategic game if you still keep the public vote. In your last post you just said you don't think you can, I just wanna know why you said 'yes you can' if that's not what you believe?

He said having a public vote in a strategy based game wouldn't work. If BBUK had elements of BBUS in it then it could be classed as strategy based. So I said 'yes it can' or whatever because of the reasons I have stated many many many times on this thread.

[Jack_]

He said having a public vote in a strategy based game wouldn't work. If BBUK had elements of BBUS in it then it could be classed as strategy based. So I said 'yes it can' or whatever because of the reasons I have stated many many many times on this thread.

It can't though, if the control over who's evicted is left to the public it remains a popularity contest. If you can spend an entire week playing comps and strategising only to not have any say on who actually leaves and for it to be left on a whim for the public to decide, you cannot possibly form any sort of strategy.

All it would be would just be a more rigid version of what we have now, with an HoH nominating people for personal reasons. That is not a strategic based game in any shape or form whatsoever. You may think it'd be fine and entertaining like that, but it still doesn't make it strategic which is what we're arguing about

[Greg!]

Ok but I think it would work

[Jack_]

Ok but I think it would work

so there

Not really a justifiable argument is it though :joker: so looks like I'm right

[Greg!]

No hun I just can't be bothered repeating the same arguments over and over again x

[TomC]

He said having a public vote in a strategy based game wouldn't work. If BBUK had elements of BBUS in it then it could be classed as strategy based. So I said 'yes it can' or whatever because of the reasons I have stated many many many times on this thread.

No, bringing in elements of BBUS to the BBUK format doesn't make it 'strategy based'.

[Jack_]

Then why have you dragged this out for three pages? :joker:

[TomC]

Ok but I think it would work

You clearly can't justify your point! We've explained many times why it doesn't work.

[Jason.]

Let Gregor live!

[Daniel.]

After seeing two seasons of Big Brother Canada, I can safely say that the BBUK format is so much better. More crazy people, less nominations talk.

[TomC]

The HMs are nothing to do with the format really.

[Daniel.]

Well yes they are. They can't put people like Shahbaz, Science, Ahmed and Nikki (lol) in to BBUS because there too unhinged and it wouldn't work. BBUS need proper strategic sensible people, BBUK relies on the entertainment of the housemates.

[Samm]

No US version at all, people like Marc will always get the power and target innocent people not threats. It'll flop

[TomC]

Well yes they are. They can't put people like Shahbaz, Science, Ahmed and Nikki (lol) in to BBUS because there too unhinged and it wouldn't work. BBUS need proper strategic sensible people, BBUK relies on the entertainment of the housemates.

Their messy gameplay would be TV gold!

[Daniel.]

But it wouldn't be game play, whatever. I don't want it that's all.

[TomC]

But it wouldn't be game play, whatever. I don't want it that's all.

I know

[Greg!]

Then why have you dragged this out for three pages? :joker:

Because either you haven't been getting my point and I tried to explain it to you or you're just arguing with me for the sake of it. Either way there's no way we are going to convince eachother so I'm over it.

[Greg!]

You clearly can't justify your point! We've explained many times why it doesn't work.

Welp I've justified my point approximately 463738 times.

[Jack_]

Well yes they are. They can't put people like Shahbaz, Science, Ahmed and Nikki (lol) in to BBUS because there too unhinged and it wouldn't work. BBUS need proper strategic sensible people, BBUK relies on the entertainment of the housemates.

BBUS has had far more unhinged people than BBUK has ever had :laugh: it does and can work, in fact if there's anything BBCan 4 has proven it's that personality led casting is far superior to the typecasting BBUS likes to do

If you cast crazy people like you do for BBUK, it actually makes the format far more entertaining because you get people targeting each other for personal reasons and being pissed off when they're nominated etc etc. The two go hand in hand with each other

Because either you haven't been getting my point and I tried to explain it to you or you're just arguing with me for the sake of it. Either way there's no way we are going to convince eachother so I'm over it.

It's the other way round :joker: you said 'yes you can' and 'I know you can't make it a truly strategic game with a public vote' but then contradicted yourself on several occasions

[Greg!]

If you cast crazy people like you do for BBUK, it actually makes the format far more entertaining because you get people targeting each other for personal reasons and being pissed off when they're nominated etc etc. The two go hand in hand with each other
That's the whole reason why I suggested introducing some aspects of BBUS to BBUK, because it creates entertainment. But in my opinion there should still be a pubic vote.



It's the other way round :joker: you said 'yes you can' and 'I know you can't make it a truly strategic game with a public vote' but then contradicted yourself on several occasions
Whatever, you know fine well what I mean, you're really clutching at straws to find something to argue with me about.

[Denver]

People who want the American format should move to America then we will all be happy

[Jack_]

That's the whole reason why I suggested introducing some aspects of BBUS to BBUK, because it creates entertainment. But in my opinion there should still be a pubic vote.

I know! I have never once said you haven't said this, nor do I disagree :laugh: all I'm arguing is that if you keep the public vote it is not a strategic game . If you don't want it to be then that's fine, there's no discussion here, but you said it still would be and it wouldn't

Whatever, you know fine well what I mean, you're really clutching at straws to find something to argue with me about.

Not in the slightest :shrug: I've said numerous times I get you don't care about strategy, I get you just want entertainment, I get that you just want parts of the US format implemented

What I don't get is you saying that keeping the public vote still makes it a strategic game, then saying 'I know you can't make it a truly strategic game with a public vote', then saying you can and so on and so forth, you're the one that has complicated this

[Jack_]

People who want the American format should move to America then we will all be happy

Pay for my flights and then sure, happily :hee:

[Greg!]

Not in the slightest :shrug: I've said numerous times I get you don't care about strategy, I get you just want entertainment, I get that you just want parts of the US format implemented

What I don't get is you saying that keeping the public vote still makes it a strategic game, then saying 'I know you can't make it a truly strategic game with a public vote', then saying you can and so on and so forth, you're the one that has complicated this

welp I'll make my position on this clear for you. although introducing BBUS elements would make it somewhat strategic i realise that it wouldn't be 100% strategic as the public could ruin someone's strategy or whatever. Such a small thing to be arguing about but there we go.

[Denver]

Pay for my flights and then sure, happily :hee:

If it stops your whining I'll happily pay :fan:

[Greg!]

People who want the American format should move to America then we will all be happy

Saskia in cider gate teas

[Jack_]

welp I'll make my position on this clear for you. although introducing BBUS elements would make it somewhat strategic i realise that it wouldn't be 100% strategic as the public could ruin someone's strategy or whatever. Such a small thing to be arguing about but there we go.

Now why couldn't you have done that three pages ago instead of contradicting yourself? :joker:

I still disagree that it would be somewhat strategic, as long as the public vote is included it cannot be at all, but we'll just have to agree to disagree on that point or we'll be here until BB17 actually starts

[Jack_]

If it stops your whining I'll happily pay :fan:

Not sure who's whining love :umm2: but sure!

[Marsh.]

If it stops your whining I'll happily pay :fan:

You rude little bitch.