Eurovision - What do the UK need?

[Denver]

They send their best song since 2009 but still Europe wont vote for us so whats next?

I honestly think the UK needs a break.

[Amy Jade]

We couldn't win with Beyoncé tbh

[Cherie]

Neighbouring countries that like it

[Headie]

It wasn't even that good of a song idk what y'all were expecting

They need to take it seriously again, get a top composer to write the song, do a search for the best singer/performer and promote it throughout Europe non stop like they did with Jade. It's not complicated to see we're sending trash every year :shrug:

[Samm]

Jack & Joe weren't all that, they were ok but nothing special, we need something different and unique (by that not something like Electra Velvet)

[Amy Jade]

I hope we don't drop out though, I don't think it would run without us?

[Amy Jade]

Jack & Joe weren't all that, they were ok but nothing special, we need something different and unique (by that not something like Electra Velvet)

I agree they weren't special but they were definately more deserving than the televote awarded them.

[LukeB]

Spice Girls

[joeysteele]

I agree they weren't special but they were definately more deserving than the televote awarded them.

Definitely,I agree.

[MTVN]

Agree with Hayden. It's simple really - we need to put the effort in. This country has a strange relationship with Eurovision where we treat it is a joke, send a very average act and then act surprised when we don't do very well. Tbh I thought Jack and Joe were poor and would have put them in my bottom 5, sounded flat and it was low key and didn't stand out at all. Yeah there's always gonna be an element of political/neighbourly voting but we could still challenge if we really wanted to.

[Pete.]

I can never win Eurovision again imo. We were lucky to do well with Jade but I feel that there's no formula to winning Eurovision unless for overt geographical/political reasons/statements or occasionally good songs or luck. You can't make a winning formula and song from Eurovision it just all how the votes line up and it's usually nothing to do with the song

[_Tom_]

Adele.

[Mitchell]

Judging by tonight's winner, a political song

[Amy Jade]

I don't think we can just blame Geography either, look at Australia...They just sent a great singer and song and they did brilliantly.

[Braden]

Yeah, I feel sorry for them because there was a slight hype that probably made them feel like they were going to do well. The juries giving us a fair amount of points also caused a bit of a kick in teeth when it was found that we did really badly on the televoting...eek.

I did find the performance really average imo. I think it was wishful thinking because the two guys were really nice people, but it's like others have said; we need to take the competition seriously to do well. This year and Molly's year were marginal improvements, but we're still entering really average songs/singers. It's not going to cut it when other countries take the contest so seriously.

[Denver]

Judging by tonight's winner, a political song

Not a song about the battle of hastings? :worry:

[EspeonBB]

We need to send a great song (Joe & Jake weren't bad but they weren't amazing either) and actually put effort into the staging. I don't think it's a geographical thing because Australia did well this year and they have no neighbours to vote for them

[Mitchell]

Not a song about the battle of hastings? :worry:

Can't wait for next year when every country sends a song about what the other countries have done to them, it's like indirect tweet vision.

[Denver]

I think we should ask a American artist to do it since they won it for us last time

[Samm]

tbh if I wasn't from the UK I wouldn't of remembered our song

[LukeB]

Russia was only favourite to win because of their staging and the effects.. we need something like that.

[Shaun]

Someone with at least a semblance of a fanbase, really. Blue did well because the fans knew of them and they finished 5th in the public vote in 2011. They just messed up the jury rehearsal and slipped to 11th.

Jade Ewen wasn't known in 2009 but she had the name Andrew Lloyd Webber attached to her so that was something.

[Braden]

Russia was only favourite to win because of their staging and the effects.. we need something like that.

I wouldn't say that's exactly true; the song was favourite to win before the staging or effects had been planned. But you're definitely right about us doing something a bit more special.

[Amy Jade]

We need to send Adele

[LukeB]

I wouldn't say that's exactly true; the song was favourite to win before the staging or effects had been planned. But you're definitely right about us doing something a bit more special.

It's something we lack off tbh. And like Shaun said we someone with some fan base.. The Spice Girls (unrealistic) would be perfect imo.

[DrunkerThanMoses]

Either a young female singing a boring power ballad or a 20 something hot guy singing a up beat techno song.

Not being funny but that is what majority of the entries are. I am surprised the uk did bad this year, easily one of the better and original entries.

[Jack_]

Judging by tonight's winner, a political song

Here for Billy Bragg singing about David Cameron ****ing a pig, food banks and how we want back in the EU

[Babayaro.]

Whatever we send we still wont win.

[Denver]

Take all our money out and **** them over

[T*]

Guy Freeman to be locked in a cupboard

[Amy Jade]

I just read on FB that the Eurovision rules on songs are no political subtext so if that's true how did Ukraine even submit that song?

[Headie]

I remember reading something saying Simon Cowell wanted to try and send an unknown act one year and see how they do, as a challenge. I would be here for that tbh :clap1: BBC would never let it happen tho

Edit: this was it http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-3104140/Cowell-s-plan-win-Eurovision-Britain-X-Factor-takeover-Music-mogul-reveals-wants-stage-competition-select-year-s-entry.html

[Calderyon]

Russia was only favourite to win because of their staging and the effects.. we need something like that.

Not only that but due to Russia being Soviet Union with lots of today´s countries being part of it at one time in the past and then collapsing, they have a multitude of bordering countries who vote for them just because they share them same border with them.

Ie Russia has lots of neighbour countries + slavian countries that usually vote for them regardless (because of shared history and similar culture) of whatever the song is or whatever the performance is.

Even if Russia sent a person to do fart noises for 3+ minutes, they would almost certainly be guaranteed at least a top 10 spot.

[zakman440]

Agree with Hayden. It's simple really - we need to put the effort in. This country has a strange relationship with Eurovision where we treat it is a joke, send a very average act and then act surprised when we don't do very well. Tbh I thought Jack and Joe were poor and would have put them in my bottom 5, sounded flat and it was low key and didn't stand out at all. Yeah there's always gonna be an element of political/neighbourly voting but we could still challenge if we really wanted to.

Pretty much.

Just had a random thought - it would never happen but I wonder how different it would be if ITV took over the selection/broadcasting in the UK. Like the BBC, they're a member of the EBU (along with Channel 4, S4C in Wales and STV in Scotland). Again, it would never happen, but I wonder how ITV would treat the competition.

[Tom4784]

We could send a supergroup consisting of every superstar going and we'd get no higher than 5th, it's pointless to try. Better to treat it as the ridiculous farce it is.

[Mokka]

I am a devoted Anglophile... But your song was not good compared to the competition this year

I want nothing more than to root for the UK... But I just couldn't

[LaLaLand]

A one-off from One Direction, seriously.

But even then we wouldn't win. Everyone goes on about how it's political - sometimes it is yes, but ALOT of the singer in the ESC are very well known and established in alot of European countries, they're not plucked from obscurity like some of ours, so countries are bound to vote for them (Bonnie and Engelbert excluded).

OR do what Jade Ewen and Andrew LW did, campaign and promote like mad around Europe in the months before, we came 5th then.

Pick the song earlier - promote, promote, promote - get votes?

[Cherie]

Pretty much.

Just had a random thought - it would never happen but I wonder how different it would be if ITV took over the selection/broadcasting in the UK. Like the BBC, they're a member of the EBU (along with Channel 4, S4C in Wales and STV in Scotland). Again, it would never happen, but I wonder how ITV would treat the competition.

It would be a six hour marathon with all the ad breaks :unsure:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Well the soing was pretty bland but should have been perhaps half way. The song that won was not the best, but people hate Russia. You need a great song to kill the politics. Lst year and Conchita did it. This year politics won.

But our song was bang average

[joeysteele]

Wining it is out the window in my view, as we would never get really current big stars to enter for the UK like the days of Sandie Shaw,Lulu and Cliff Richard naming just 3.

Also,ours was okay and I liked it,I hoped it would do well but it was better when it went to the up tempo parts.

The Jury voting showed we can pull in votes across the board again,Russia and Estonia gave us votes,Malta gave us 12, we got votes from 11 of the juries this time.
The song has to register though with those watching and clearly it didn't last night.

[Kazanne]

It's nothing to do with the songs ,it's political imo, our entry was quite catchy and equally as good as the rest of those songs and singers in there, I don't know why we embarrass ourselves every year,having said that we might just get a shock result one year.Good old Britain is only good enough to live in.

[Ross.]

The Spice Girls need to do a greatest hits medley

[joeysteele]

Not sure we can win again but one of our problems also seem to have been opening it up to the public voting too.

After all, Joe and Jack were in a fair placing just from the jury voting.

One day we may just get a breakthrough,after all after Bucks Fizz win in 1981,we had to wait 16 years again before Katrina won it in 1997.

We have always had a problem in gathering in enough votes and looking at the breakdown of how the voting went from Italy, France, Germany, Spain,Belgium,Israel,Sweden,Norway and particularly the former Yugoslav countries too,there was nothing there at all from any of them.

[Braden]

Do you think it would ever be possible for betting to be scrapped? I don't really know how it pros to be completely honest, but there's always an unfair hype around those who are the favourites. The media capitalise it and then all of the attention is on the select few favourites to win by the time the final comes.

[Crimson Dynamo]

i think we need to invade some of the made up countries and destroy them

@bosnia, montewhatthefeck, croatia, armenia, azerbywhatsit etc

we need to get militarised

[Denver]

Maybe come out of our comfort zone? Sing in another language?

[Samm]

HJyXF3oJX-I

This wouldn't of won but it'll have achieved more votes I think

[Cherie]

We need Scotland, NI and Wales to become independent states, then do deals along with Malta and other countries that don't mind us to give each other 12 points on a rota basis so we win every few years, I remember when Ireland won back to back victories and everyone was moaning about the cost of hosting it :joker:

[Tom4784]

We aren't a popular country in the EU and we don't share any borders with anyone. The winner will always be either politically motivated or it'll be simply a good song from a neutral country. We've got an unfavourable position with EU to deal with as well as resentment for automatically making the finals.

Can't blame anyone for not wanting to spend money on making an effort given that the last time we went all out we barely scraped fifth. You can't blame established acts for not wanting to do it since no one with a career wants to be a joke.

[Headie]

HJyXF3oJX-I

This wouldn't of won but it'll have achieved more votes I think

Yeah Darline and Bianca were both better than Joe and Jake tbh

[Jordan.]

We aren't a popular country in the EU and we don't share any borders with anyone. The winner will always be either politically motivated or it'll be simply a good song from a neutral country. We've got an unfavourable position with EU to deal with as well as resentment for automatically making the finals.

Can't blame anyone for not wanting to spend money on making an effort given that the last time we went all out we barely scraped fifth. You can't blame established acts for not wanting to do it since no one with a career wants to be a joke.

Agree with this part. If we actually had to earn our way into the competition we'd be more likely to pick up support along the way.

[Braden]

France has proven that if you send a good act then you can do well. They normally do far worse than is but had quite a good result last night.

[Marsh.]

The UK needs to come out of the competition. Waste of money and time.

[Crimson Dynamo]

but look at what won, a total dirge that no one can even remember today

so there is not logic to it

[Braden]

That's not strictly true, LT. A lot of people loved that song but many hated it at the same time. It was marmite, which is the perfect thing to be in Eurovision.