If you HAD to choose, which rumoured "format change" would you pick?

[Headie]

The two main rumours we're getting are Celeb vs Civillian, and a BBUS format.

I'd probably pick the BBUS one tbh since I just don't want celebs on a civillian series at all.

[Josy]

Neither, I honestly can't decide which would be more awful, I long for a normal, old style BB and I honestly feel as if its never gonna happen.

[Headie]

Neither, I honestly can't decide which would be more awful, I long for a normal, old style BB and I honestly feel as if its never gonna happen.

Same I want neither as well, but I feel like all this "new game" teases basically means we're not gonna get the pure BBUK format :(

[Niamh.]

Neither, I honestly can't decide which would be more awful, I long for a normal, old style BB and I honestly feel as if its never gonna happen.

what she said

[Headie]

what she said

It's called "if you had to choose", not here for me looking like I want a different format :nono: :laugh:

[Daniel.]

Just put 5 or 6 on and delete it

[Niamh.]

It's called "if you had to choose", not here for me looking like I want a different format :nono: :laugh:

I can't choose though :bawling:

[Denver]

If it's the US format it's a goodbye from me

[Glenn.]

I would want neither but I choose the BBUS format. We already have far too much CBB in one year.

[Josy]

Celeb vs Civillian Format if forced to choose then

[Daniel.]

If it's the US format it's a goodbye from me

Its worth it for this

[Tregard]

BBUS without a doubt

Although for what it's worth I think one house will be playing US rules and one will be playing UK rules

[Firewire]

BBUS out of those two for sure

[Pete.]

BB Brazil http://cdn.thisisbigbrother.com/customavatars/avatar77153_144.gif

But BBUK format for UK (even though I prefer the BBUSA format)

[Rob!]

The US format is awful, I don't understand why people rave about it so much and I really don't understand why people are getting so upset at the prospect of civ vs Celeb.

[Daniel.]

The US format is good in it's own right but nog as good as UK and it would be better than civillian vs celebrity which is just further blurring the lines between civillian and celeb, were pretty much getting theee CBB's

[Moosething]

Civillian vs celeb makes me feel queasy

[_Tom_]

If I had to choose then I'd go for Celeb vs Civilian - although I think the idea is pretty dire and we're already oversaturated by celebs as it is.

I don't think the BBUS format would work in this country. The BBUS format would make me switch off, all they talk about is strategy. Plus I don't think it would be received well by the GBP.

I'd rather watch Survivor than a house version.

[zakman440]

The US format (with live feeds).

[*mazedsalv**]

I can't choose because I think they would both be bad.

I hate the fact of civilians vs celebs. And the US format wouldn't work much. Remember the first 2 weeks of BB13, that was way too much.Every single scene was HMs talking about gameplay. And it got so repetitive, so i can't sit through 10 weeks of that.

[andybigbro]

Both suck.

But I hate the thought of celebs with civilians

[Jack_]

This is a no brainer.

One format continues C5's obsession with ****ing celebrities, isn't even a civilian series and will begin the process CBB being the only version that survives, and the other is a fresh, daring new trial on a dying show.

If this is the last civilian series I'd much rather watch all civilians under a good consistent format than celebrities getting involved in whatever messy remains of a format we have now.

[Henry2014]

At the end of the day it was a relief for an eye to be revealed at all, I half expected a BB17 american style house logo- which would have freaked me out!

I foresee it being similar in nature to the US version of Big Brother, but I'm sure it'll just be a twist on the usual format. Which will be interesting!
Maybe a Head of House who is immune each week, and has a veto power?

[Niamh.]

This is a no brainer.

One format continues C5's obsession with ****ing celebrities, isn't even a civilian series and will begin the process CBB being the only version that survives, and the other is a fresh, daring new trial on a dying show.

If this is the last civilian series I'd much rather watch all civilians under a good consistent format than celebrities getting involved in whatever messy remains of a format we have now.

why do you want it to be the same as the US version though Jack, you can already watch that version so wouldn't it be better to have the UK following different rules? :think:

[LukeB]

BBUSA format ofc it's better than the format we have now..and it's civilian big brother for a reason..NO CELEBS

[RichardG]

bbus format just means two extra "what does the public think about you" tasks a week, not here for it

[Jack_]

why do you want it to be the same as the US version though Jack, you can already watch that version so wouldn't it be better to have the UK following different rules? :think:

Because it's a better format, the UK one sucks and rewards housemates on no merit whatsoever (just for being men, attractive, never saying a word or a combination of these) whereas the US one does, it's more consistent than whatever nonsense we have for a format now and I want to see British people playing their format (I think it would be messy as hell and thus entertaining) and be given the opportunity to do myself (as unlikely as it may be). The list goes on :laugh:

[RichardG]

bbus format sucks in comparison anyway the constant gameplay talk is sooooo boring

[Jack_]

bbus format just means two extra "what does the public think about you" tasks a week, not here for it

How do you work that out? BBUS has minimal outside contact, in fact it has none at all to protect the integrity of the game

[LukeB]

bbus format sucks in comparison anyway the constant gameplay talk is sooooo boring

Rather that then this

Hilary - you're a ****
-Hilary gets nominated and is up against pav who has only had 5 mins air time for the duration-
Hilary gets evicted.

This is for more boring

[RichardG]

How do you work that out? BBUS has minimal outside contact, in fact it has none at all to protect the integrity of the game

as if the uk task team would suddenly get some imagination just because we have a new format, I don't see us getting any big fancy endurance comps. we'd probably still get the same old tasks as usual just under the name of a 'veto' or HOH :laugh:

[Jack_]

bbus format sucks in comparison anyway the constant gameplay talk is sooooo boring

Because 'what do you want for dinner?' is so much better :laugh:

Besides, just because that's how BBUS' episodes are edited it doesn't mean ours have to go the same way. BBCan always include secret missions, other fun stuff and more non-game related conversations in the edit than the US do and we could do the same? I wouldn't want there to be three episodes like they have, I'd want there to be daily ones still - so that's plenty more time for regular conversations to take place too

Plus it isn't always game talk on the feeds (which the US and Canada STILL have) and it'd be crucial to this format so if we got it back we wouldn't have it here either

[Jack_]

Rather that then this

Hilary - you're a ****
-Hilary gets nominated and is up against pav who has only had 5 mins air time for the duration-
Hilary gets evicted.

This is for more boring

:joker: :joker: :joker: :joker:

It's funny cause it's true

The UK format often ruins the show, people don't succeed on any kind of merit whatsoever

as if the uk task team would suddenly get some imagination just because we have a new format, I don't see us getting any big fancy endurance comps. we'd probably still get the same old tasks as usual just under the name of a 'veto' or HOH :laugh:

Well there'd be no point adopting the US format only to have tasks where you find out who the public think are the 'biggest liar' or 'biggest sneak', you'd just blow up people's games :joker: if they can spend the money building the biggest extension on the house in history I'd like to think they could put a bit more effort into the competitions. I don't see why there'd be more public opinion tasks under the US format though?

[Lostie!]

Celebs and civilians mixed. Either would be stupid but at least with this one we could still have the basic BBUK format (not that we will anyway considering their obsession with abandoning normal nominations nowadays but still). People already have BBUS and BBCAN if they prefer to watch that format, there's no need whatsoever for BBUK to adopt it too.

Actually, if they did change anything I'd much rather they follow BBAU with the 2 points / 1 point nomination system.

[Niamh.]

Because it's a better format, the UK one sucks and rewards housemates on no merit whatsoever (just for being men, attractive, never saying a word or a combination of these) whereas the US one does, it's more consistent than whatever nonsense we have for a format now and I want to see British people playing their format (I think it would be messy as hell and thus entertaining) and be given the opportunity to do myself (as unlikely as it may be). The list goes on :laugh:

yeah but you already have that version to watch though so why try and change the UK to the same thing

[RichardG]

Well there'd be no point adopting the US format only to have tasks where you find out who the public think are the 'biggest liar' or 'biggest sneak', you'd just blow up people's games :joker: if they can spend the money building the biggest extension on the house in history I'd like to think they could put a bit more effort into the competitions. I don't see why there'd be more public opinion tasks under the US format though?

i meant more in that we would have two extra competitions a week so we'd probably end up getting more

it was a bit of an exaggerated comment with an underlying message of 'pls no us format' :laugh:

[Jamie89]

If I had to choose, then definitely the US version. The idea of mixing 'celebrities' and civilians sounds boring and pointless and isn't really anything 'new' at all since I never know who most of the celebrities are anyway so what's the point? There is no 'normal format' anymore, so why not at least try something completely different out and see how it goes? Anything has to be better than another BB16.

[Jack_]

yeah but you already have that version to watch though so why try and change the UK to the same thing

For all the reasons I just listed! :laugh: that's what you asked

I never understand this argument of 'well you already have this there', well yeah...and it's better, so let's have it here too. The more the merrier as the saying goes

[Lostie!]

yeah but you already have that version to watch though so why try and change the UK to the same thing

Exactly.

And I don't think it is a better format. BBUK has been abysmal in recent years with the nominations tampering but when they just leave it alone and let weekly nominations run normally, the BBUK format is miles better imo.

Also, I think it would be a shame if the US format started to become more commonplace since the "housemates nominate / public evict" thing was how Big Brother as a format was born in the first place.

[Denver]

With the BBUSA format it will be the final nail in the coffin and axed straight away plus they couldn't afford not to have the income from the voting

[Glenn.]

There isn't a lot BBUK can do with the format. I don't understand why they continue to throw **** at the walls and see what sticks. They should go back to what made Big Brother the show it is. Simplicity is needed. Back the **** down with the constant twists we've seen a million times over

[Denver]

There isn't a lot BBUK can do with the format. I don't understand why they continue to throw **** at the walls and see what sticks. They should go back to what made Big Brother the show it is. Simplicity is needed. Back the **** down with the constant twists we've seen a million times over

They keep trying to better the show but they need to realise they are ruining it and not of them really caree about the show well not really they don't

[Jack_]

There is nothing better about a format which rewards housemates for being men, attractive, saying nothing all series or a combination of these three :laugh: it's completely counter-productive and the public ruin the show every year, at least under the US format you succeed based on merit and your own effort, not by virtue of having a penis

[Denver]

But the last 2 civilian series have been won by women :think:

[LukeB]

I don't see the point in celebs vs cilvs .... We already have two celebrity big brothers a year which is more than enough ... It would not be civilian big brother if they did that.

Where with the bbusa format it would be civilian.. They should just keep the celebs format until summer cbb.

[Jamie89]

With the BBUSA format it will be the final nail in the coffin and axed straight away plus they couldn't afford not to have the income from the voting

Do they really make a substantial amount from phone voting though? So few people actually vote in BB these days that I doubt their income from it amounts to enough for it to be something that would affect their decision on whether or not to change the format. If the format change led to a more successful show and their ratings increased they'd make far more money from increased sponsorship and advertising deals than they ever would with the phone voting.

[Lostie!]

With the BBUSA format it will be the final nail in the coffin and axed straight away plus they couldn't afford not to have the income from the voting

I agree tbh. I can't see the general viewing public taking too well to a complete overhaul of the show as extreme as that.

In the US they did it after one season, doing it after 16 years is a whole different matter.

I don't see the point in celebs vs cilvs .... We already have two celebrity big brothers a year which is more than enough ... It would not be civilian big brother if they did that.

Where with the bbusa format it would be civilian.. They should just keep the celebs format until summer cbb.

And with the US format it would barely be Big Brother anyway since it's so far removed from the basic format that Big Brother began as. BBUS is pretty much a completely separate entity that just happens to use the Big Brother title.

It's bad enough that they've already drained the show of so much of what makes it Big Brother in recent years with the nominations ridiculousness. I want them to fix that, not to just go even further away from being BBUK.

[LukeB]

And with the US format it would barely be Big Brother anyway since it's so far removed from the basic format that Big Brother began as. BBUS is pretty much a completely separate entity that just happens to use the Big Brother title.

Yes it would still be big brother, the same things happen in every big brother people nominate and someone gets evicted but in different ways. The uk format right now is a disgrace and needs repairing but they will never go back to what it was. Bbusa format isn't going to harm a dead show anyway it will just be a better format.

[Denver]

Yes it would still be big brother, the same things happen in every big brother people nominate and someone gets evicted but in different ways. The uk format right now is a disgrace and needs repairing but they will never go back to what it was. Bbusa format isn't going to harm a dead show anyway it will just be a better format.

It's really not!

The whole show is based on 'WHO GOES YOU DECIDE' taking away that right from the public after 16 years will see the show struggle to get 500k viewers and will be axed instantly majority of the BBUK fans love it for that reason and will not tolerate a change

[bots]

It depends to be honest. If the rumours are true, i wouldn't know who any of the "celebs" were anyway, so it would be the equivalent of 2 civilian houses.

It could be quite interesting watching 2 separate groups of people being subjected to exactly the same conditions, so if one of them gets boring, they can always switch to the other. There is potential there I think for something interesting.

[Lostie!]

Yes it would still be big brother, the same things happen in every big brother people nominate and someone gets evicted but in different ways. The uk format right now is a disgrace and needs repairing but they will never go back to what it was. Bbusa format isn't going to harm a dead show anyway it will just be a better format.

People nominate and get eliminated in Hell's Kitchen, doesn't make it Big Brother. :shrug:

If they want to change it up but still retain the bare bones of what makes it BBUK, they should adopt the AU voting format rather than the US one.

[LukeB]

It's really not!

The whole show is based on 'WHO GOES YOU DECIDE' taking away that right from the public after 16 years will see the show struggle to get 500k viewers and will be axed instantly majority of the BBUK fans love it for that reason and will not tolerate a change

If it's axed then that will be perfect :lovedup:

[Ashley.]

I wouldn't like the BBUS format, but I would quite like Big Brother to become more competitive and "gameshow" based and less about fame and what comes afterwards.

[Denver]

If it's axed then that will be perfect :lovedup:

If you want it axed why the hell do you watch it and make a big fuss about it?

[Lostie!]

If it's axed then that will be perfect :lovedup:

You could just not watch since you clearly loathe BBUK now. :laugh:

I wouldn't like the BBUS format, but I would quite like Big Brother to become more competitive and "gameshow" based and less about fame and what comes afterwards.

Yeah I agree with this completely.

[Jack_]

The premise of Big Brother has absolutely nothing to do with the public being 'entitled' to vote people out. The concept is that you film and watch a bunch of strangers live in an enclosed house for an extended period of time. How individual countries choose to operate their nominations and evictions is at their discretion.

In fact, in many ways the US format is more true to the 'social experiment' line people like to peddle. Them and the Canadian's still have 24/7 live feed (the watch aspect), we don't...now who's ~not~ really Big Brother? And plus, I'd argue that leaving the housemates to their own devices is far more pure than allowing the public to intervene every week, that's not natural at all

I love the premise of BB, which is to watch a bunch of strangers live in a house. Has nothing to do whether I get to evict them or not

[Jack_]

also I know it's not confirmed either way yet but if BBAU does come back doesn't the same argument apply to those who wouldn't mind or want us to adopt their format?

BBAU already exists so why would you want another? :joker:

[LukeB]

People nominate and get eliminated in Hell's Kitchen, doesn't make it Big Brother. :shrug:

If they want to change it up but still retain the bare bones of what makes it BBUK, they should adopt the AU voting format rather than the US one.

That's completly different.. They are not cut off from the outside world and gordan makes all the decisions.

That will still be crap though, that format will still get rid of the big characters even more. Take a look at Zoe.. She got evicted over a silly tesco comment... Thats how you know the uk format is horrible..

Right now bbuk is NOT big brother, it's towie/GS etc living in a house with loads of influence by producers and gets information from the outside world.

[Denver]

That's completly different.. They are not cut off from the outside world and gordan makes all the decisions.

That will still be crap though, that format will still get rid of the big characters even more. Take a look at Zoe.. She got evicted over a silly tesco comment... Thats how you know the uk format is horrible..

Right now bbuk is NOT big brother, it's towie/GS etc living in a house with loads of influence by producers and gets information from the outside world.
I can't take this seriously when you claim Zoe was a big character

[Jamie89]

If it's axed then that will be perfect :lovedup:

Not Luke promoting the BBUS format in order to sabotage the show and get it axed D: MOLE!!!

[Ashley.]

Something you've got to understand though is that Britain is a completely different culture. Say the BBUS format does get implemented, how can we say that it'll be exactly the same? How can we say the housemates will act in the same way as Americans do?

The UK format is more practical for producers anyway. Public voting = profit.

[LukeB]

I can't take this seriously when you claim Zoe was a big character

I didn't actually say she WAS a big character it was an example of the PATHETIC things you can get evicted over :hee:

[Calderyon]

Neither.

Rather have the original format in it´s original format back, meaning housemates nominate two people up for eviction and then 2 or more with the most points are nominated. Public votes to save or evict one of them and either one or more of them will be evicted.

I already have BBUS and BBCAN for the other format to watch. No need for another one.

[LukeB]

Not Luke promoting the BBUS format in order to sabotage the show and get it axed D: MOLE!!!

:smug:

It does need to get axed tbf, It's dead and nothing can save it. BBUSA won't save it but I prefer that format than the UK one. I would be down if they copied BBCAN which is the best BB around the world imo because they know how to do a big brother season.. we just need their producers :fan:

[Jamie89]

Something you've got to understand though is that Britain is a completely different culture. Say the BBUS format does get implemented, how can we say that it'll be exactly the same? How can we say the housemates will act in the same way as Americans do?

The UK format is more practical for producers anyway. Public voting = profit.

Most of our current RTV comes from being influenced by US RTV anyway though, Jersey Shore/Geordie Shore, The Hills/TOWIE, etc... so although it probably wouldn't be exactly the same, I don't think cultural differences would be too much of a factor.

:smug:

It does need to get axed tbf, It's dead and nothing can save it. BBUSA won't save it but I prefer that format than the UK one. I would be down if they copied BBCAN which is the best BB around the world imo because they know how to do a big brother season.. we just need their producers :fan:

AND Arisa :lovedup:

[LukeB]

AND Arisa :lovedup:

Yes Arisa :lovedup:

Emma can be co-host or takes Rylan's job :clap1:

[Lostie!]

also I know it's not confirmed either way yet but if BBAU does come back doesn't the same argument apply to those who wouldn't mind or want us to adopt their format?

BBAU already exists so why would you want another? :joker:

There's nothing currently indicating BBAU is coming back so no, it doesn't exist as a currently ongoing show.

Another reason that comparison doesn't work is because becoming more like BBAU wouldn't be such a radical alteration to the format that adopting the BBUS format would, it wouldn't be much of a change from the basics of BBUK at all.

That's completly different.. They are not cut off from the outside world and gordan makes all the decisions.

Not all. As I said, there are nomination votes. Gordon choosing who goes is just another difference in how they leave. That's my point, just saying "they nominate and get evicted but just in a different way" doesn't mean anything really.

That will still be crap though, that format will still get rid of thr big characters even more. Take a look a Zoe.. She got evicted over a silly tesco comment... Thats how you know the uk format is horrible..

A comment that insulted a whole group of people for how they make a living, people exaggerate how unfair the reaction to that was.

And I'm not sure of what point you're making. Are you saying the US format is immune to unjust evictions? Because I'd beg to differ there.

Right now bbuk is NOT big brother, it's towie/GS etc living in a house with loads of influence by producers and gets information from the outside world.

Yes, BBUK is crap right now. They should fix that and return it to what people loved about it in the first place, I don't see the need to change it even more.

And they get information from the outside in BBUS too.

But we're not going to agree so we'll just have to wait and see.

[Jack_]

Something you've got to understand though is that Britain is a completely different culture. Say the BBUS format does get implemented, how can we say that it'll be exactly the same? How can we say the housemates will act in the same way as Americans do?

They won't, and that'll make it even more brilliantly entertaining. None of them will have a clue what's going on and people will be nominated for personal reasons and the whole thing will be a gigantic mess :joker: I guarantee it'd be entertaining, in fact it's the kind of thing C5 strive for except not so convoluted so it's even more of a reason why they should go for it tbh

[Niamh.]

There is nothing better about a format which rewards housemates for being men, attractive, saying nothing all series or a combination of these three :laugh: it's completely counter-productive and the public ruin the show every year, at least under the US format you succeed based on merit and your own effort, not by virtue of having a penis

The public don't "ruin the show" by not choosing what you personally would choose? umm

[Jordan.]

I'd rather have civillian vs celeb if it meant keeping to our format.

[Jake.]

I loved the start of BB13 so I'd rather a series of it than a load of celebs being the centre of attention

[Lostie!]

I loved the start of BB13 so I'd rather a series of it than a load of celebs being the centre of attention

Yeah but that still wasn't the BBUS format, just BBUK with more gameplay involved (which I'd actually be very supportive of if they still kept regular UK style nominations / evictions).

[Jack_]

The public don't "ruin the show" by not choosing what you personally would choose? umm

Considering you usually agree with my line of argument and favourites during on-season that's a little contradictory :joker:

I'm not about to get into this whole argument before BBUK has even begun because I'll have enough of it in the summer but yes they do. And yes people under our format are rewarded for saying nothing, being a man and being attractive, I don't see how that can be disputed? Just look at the stats and it tells you the story. It's counter-productive and based on no merit whatsoever, if you float through and never say a word and be a man you're either gonna make the final or win, at least in the US and Canada you earn your place and aren't just given it

[Niamh.]

Considering you usually agree with my line of argument and favourites during on-season that's a little contradictory :joker:

I'm not about to get into this whole argument before BBUK has even begun because I'll have enough of it in the summer but yes they do. And yes people under our format are rewarded for saying nothing, being a man and being attractive, I don't see how that can be disputed? Just look at the stats and it tells you the story. It's counter-productive and based on no merit whatsoever, if you float through and never say a word and be a man you're either gonna make the final or win, at least in the US and Canada you earn your place and aren't just given it

How do you mean?

[Jack_]

How do you mean?

You usually agree when I say 'we need to keep x because they're better for the show, y isn't contributing so they should go, why ruin the show' etc etc. Not all of the time but our favourites often align

What about the rest of my post? :conf:

[LukeB]

Not all. As I said, there are nomination votes. Gordon choosing who goes is just another difference in how they leave. That's my point, just saying "they nominate and get evicted but just in a different way" doesn't mean anything really.



A comment that insulted a whole group of people for how they make a living, people exaggerate how unfair the reaction to that was.

And I'm not sure of what point you're making. Are you saying the US format is immune to unjust evictions? Because I'd beg to differ there.



Yes, BBUK is crap right now. They should fix that and return it to what people loved about it in the first place, I don't see the need to change it even more.

And they get information from the outside in BBUS too.

But we're not going to agree so we'll just have to wait and see.

1.I've seen Gordan change things around and Hells Kitchen is not an social experiment which Big Brother is. So as I said it's a different type of show.

2.Clearly she didn't mean any harm and it's still not a reason to be evicted.. If someone was having a bad day and they called someone a **** they would get nominated and evicted over someone like Pav who offers nothing and is a pathetic excuse of a housemate. BB15.. Toya was evicted over Marlon and Ash because of her edit that week. Toya was a better housemate than those bores who did nothing but suck Helen's bum hole.

3. The don't get outside info much compared to BBUK which is against what they show is all about like celebs vs civilian is against what Cilvs bb is all about so theres' 0 point of having that format when we already have cbb in the winter and summer.

[Jordan.]

Considering you usually agree with my line of argument and favourites during on-season that's a little contradictory :joker:

I'm not about to get into this whole argument before BBUK has even begun because I'll have enough of it in the summer but yes they do. And yes people under our format are rewarded for saying nothing, being a man and being attractive, I don't see how that can be disputed? Just look at the stats and it tells you the story. It's counter-productive and based on no merit whatsoever, if you float through and never say a word and be a man you're either gonna make the final or win, at least in the US and Canada you earn your place and aren't just given it

That might be the case but that's how the british public likes it. If you change the show format and fill it with people the public are normally gunning to get out do you think it's gonna go down well? Plus the fact of there been no voting means people wont feel the need to watch live.

[LukeB]

I loved the start of BB13 so I'd rather a series of it than a load of celebs being the centre of attention

This is another reason why I would prefer the BBUSA because the celebs will get most of the air time and will be centre of attention and what do you know we have another Celebrity Big Brother on our hands.

[Jack_]

That might be the case but that's how the british public likes it. If you change the show format and fill it with people the public are normally gunning to get out do you think it's gonna go down well? Plus the fact of there been no voting means people wont feel the need to watch live.

Getting rid of the public vote doesn't automatically mean that housemates viewers dislike are going to succeed, I mean if anything if you act up and be a twat you're asking to get put on the block by an HoH and then voted out anyway

Plus I'd argue that such housemates sticking around (if they even did) doesn't mean the public will ditch the show, I mean my argument usually is that we need to keep them for the benefit of the series, people love to hate housemates and ones that inspire hatred keep people talking about the show and actively rooting against them, that's better than a bunch of characters people are indifferent towards and don't care about. I often feel like I care more when I watch BBUS or Can, whether I'm rooting for or against someone. Like, BB15 US for all its racism and controversy was if nothing else gripping because you were longing for people to fail and get evicted, that kind of sentiment doesn't occur in the UK because it normally just happens anyway, it's too easy to succeed/fail

[Lostie!]

1.I've seen Gordan change things around and Hells Kitchen is not an social experiment which Big Brother is. So as I said it's a different type of show.

You're missing my point that simply having nominations and eliminations as part of the basic format (the two elements you cited as reasons for BBUS staying true to the general format of Big Brother, which is the whole reason I made this comparison) doesn't really mean anything, but anyway we're going round in circles now.

2.Clearly she didn't mean any harm and it's still not a reason to be evicted.. If someone was having a bad day and they called someone a **** they would get nominated and evicted over someone like Pav who offers nothing and is a pathetic excuse of a housemate. BB15.. Toya was evicted over Marlon and Ash because of her edit that week. Toya was a better housemate than those bores who did nothing but suck Helen's bum hole.

Not really for you to say though. There would have been plenty of people who work hard to make ends meet who would have been understandably offended by what Zoe said. It's no one else's fault she decided to unfairly stereotype a whole category of people. :shrug:

And you haven't responded to my question about BBUS' evictions. Can you really say you think most of them have been completely deserved?

3. The don't get outside info much compared to BBUK which is against what they show is all about like celebs vs civilian is against what Cilvs bb is all about so theres' 0 point of having that format when we already have cbb in the winter and summer.

But they get it, which is my point. Like Kathy Griffin going in during BB16 and basically just reeling off her opinions to them all.

And yes, I agree there's no point in combining CBB with civilian BB when we already have a separate currently airing show for that. A bit like the argument for not adopting the BBUS format.

[LukeB]

Not really for you to say though. There would have been plenty of people who work hard to make ends meet who would have been understandably offended by what Zoe said. It's no one else's fault she decided to unfairly stereotype a whole category of people. :shrug:

And you haven't responded to my question about BBUS' evictions. Can you really say you think most of them have been completely deserved?

What do you mean by deserved since personal issues are not the reason why they are evicted? Aaryn Gries was a racist but she got evicted because she is a comp threat and an actual threat for their game. So if it helped their game then yes each eviction was deserved.

But they get it, which is my point. Like Kathy Griffin going in during BB16 and basically just reeling off her opinions to them all.

And yes, I agree there's no point in combining CBB with civilian BB when we already have a separate currently airing show for that. A bit like the argument for not adopting the BBUS format

Was it really her opinion though? she went in to slate everyone trying to be funny because they had to do a comp to fix Zingbot who was being nice when he normally says negative things about each and one of them which is what Kathy did

[Jack_]

Most evictions under the US format are deserved. Sure, there's always twists and they'll negatively affect someone or there'll be a bit of Grodner's rigging, but for the most part if you're evicted under that system it's because you haven't played well enough and it's your own fault. That is far fairer than being evicted cause you're unlucky enough to be a woman or dare to speak in a series. It's also easier to stomach personally, if my favourite fails in BBUS or BBCanada I know they only have themselves to blame, but in BBUK it's usually because the public are just clueless and/or sexist, that's just irritating

I also don't think they get much outside contact in BBUS, the jury house exists for that very reason. Other than a weekly letter for the HoH and maybe a comp hosted by a celeb or alumni, it's a damn sight more protected than BBUK is

[LukeB]

Most evictions under the US format are deserved. Sure, there's always twists and they'll negatively affect someone or there'll be a bit of Grodner's rigging, but for the most part if you're evicted under that system it's because you haven't played well enough and it's your own fault. That is far fairer than being evicted cause you're unlucky enough to be a woman or dare to speak in a series. It's also easier to stomach personally, if my favourite fails in BBUS or BBCanada I know they only have themselves to blame, but in BBUK it's usually because the public are just clueless and/or sexist, that's just irritating

I also don't think they get much outside contact in BBUS, the jury house exists for that very reason. Other than a weekly letter for the HoH and maybe a comp hosted by a celeb or alumni, it's a damn sight more protected than BBUK is

Another reason why the public should get their voting powers taken away.

If you're a white male/white female then it's a walk in a park but if you're a POC woman then it's a different story, All it takes is for them to be loud for 1 second then boom they get evicted and they go out to the chavs shouting OFF OFF OFF who are ya..

[Tregard]

For what it's worth, I would love to see the UK at least try out the North American format. They would be fighting an uphill battle of trying to convince people who currently dislike the show it's a different show, whilst also trying to keep hold of those who watch the show as is (probably couldn't pull that off), but there are definite benefits to the US format.

For one, you'd be a lot more likely to get smarter, more interesting players for a US format after it was established than the crop we're used to. The last few years have been rife with people there to play up to the cameras, develop a TV career etc. Just the most bland lowest-common-denominator swill that turns the entire show into a media circus, leading to a vicious cycle of getting more and more extreme "says it like it is me" personalities (See: Helen). BBUS format could, on the one hand, lead to a group of cold, strategic people sitting in a house quietly plotting against one another, but with proper casting, treating Big Brother like a gameshow again would provide us with fun contestants instead of attention seeking media trainees.

I get that people have problems with a pure US format, I don't think it would fly very well if it was a complete immediate switch. What I think would work better is if they took some elements of it whilst retaining the important parts of the UK show (i.e. The Phone Vote). Previous attempts such as BB11's Save & Replace, BB9's Head of House and BB15's baffling housemate-chosen evictions were all completely the wrong way about it. The new series could have HOH tasks, allowing the HOH to choose 3 HMs for eviction. POV would be able to switch one out, and there would be a HM vote save one of those 3 after POV, leaving the public to vote to evict between the two remaining.

That's just one route they could take (admittedly, one which would lead to quite a messy conclusion in Final 4), the UK version needs some *consistent* shake-ups and BBUS is a framework that's proven to work.

[Jack_]

For what it's worth, I would love to see the UK at least try out the North American format. They would be fighting an uphill battle of trying to convince people who currently dislike the show it's a different show, whilst also trying to keep hold of those who watch the show as is (probably couldn't pull that off), but there are definite benefits to the US format.

For one, you'd be a lot more likely to get smarter, more interesting players for a US format after it was established than the crop we're used to. The last few years have been rife with people there to play up to the cameras, develop a TV career etc. Just the most bland lowest-common-denominator swill that turns the entire show into a media circus, leading to a vicious cycle of getting more and more extreme "says it like it is me" personalities (See: Helen). BBUS format could, on the one hand, lead to a group of cold, strategic people sitting in a house quietly plotting against one another, but with proper casting, treating Big Brother like a gameshow again would provide us with fun contestants instead of attention seeking media trainees.

I get that people have problems with a pure US format, I don't think it would fly very well if it was a complete immediate switch. What I think would work better is if they took some elements of it whilst retaining the important parts of the UK show (i.e. The Phone Vote). Previous attempts such as BB11's Save & Replace, BB9's Head of House and BB15's baffling housemate-chosen evictions were all completely the wrong way about it. The new series could have HOH tasks, allowing the HOH to choose 3 HMs for eviction. POV would be able to switch one out, and there would be a HM vote save one of those 3 after POV, leaving the public to vote to evict between the two remaining.

That's just one route they could take (admittedly, one which would lead to quite a messy conclusion in Final 4), the UK version needs some *consistent* shake-ups and BBUS is a framework that's proven to work.

This is a good post but there's still no point adopting the US format if you're going to let the public have overall control over who's evicted still, it undoes everything else and cancels it out, making the whole thing pointless.

You're on the right lines in terms of a compromise. Let the HoH nom three people, play for Veto as normal, then have the public SAVE one nominee (that's crucial) and let the housemates vote between the remaining two. It still gives the public some control that way and actually adds a new dynamic to the game rather than removing it completely if you still let the public decide who leaves

Give the UK a jury vote and you're all sorted

[Tregard]

This is a good post but there's still no point adopting the US format if you're going to let the public have overall control over who's evicted still, it undoes everything else and cancels it out, making the whole thing pointless.

You're on the right lines in terms of a compromise. Let the HoH nom three people, play for Veto as normal, then have the public SAVE one nominee (that's crucial) and let the housemates vote between the remaining two. It still gives the public some control that way and actually adds a new dynamic to the game rather than removing it completely if you still let the public decide who leaves

Give the UK a jury vote and you're all sorted

As someone who infinitely prefers VTS, this sounds perfect

[Natalie.]

BBUS I guess but neither really

I don't think BBUS would work too well here but I hate the thought of celebs :omgno:

[VanessaFeltz.]

bb11's save&replace task was decent

[Cal.]

Celebrity vs Civilian as at least it would still be BBUK

There is already TWO BBUS English speaking formats running - why do people so desperately want a third?

[Marsh.]

I'd choose the show being axed tbh.

[LukeB]

Celebrity vs Civilian as at least it would still be BBUK

There is already TWO BBUS English speaking formats running - why do people so desperately want a third?

but isn't that like saying there is already two CBBs every year why the need for 3 CBBs? because Celeb vs Cilv will be turned into CBB because the celebs will get most of the air time and will be the centre of attention so it really won't be civilian.

[TomC]

Celebrity vs Civilian as at least it would still be BBUK

There is already TWO BBUS English speaking formats running - why do people so desperately want a third?

WHy do people keep saying this? Some people just do have a preference, the number of versions that exist under that format is irrel.

[Marsh.]

WHy do people keep saying this? Some people just do have a preference, the number of versions that exist under that format is irrel.

Well it kind of is because it tends to be people who watch those other versions. I can't imagine why people would want to watch three versions of the same format.

One of the appeals of watching other versions is to enjoy the differences. If they were all the same it wouldn't be like that.

[TomC]

Well it kind of is because it tends to be people who watch those other versions. I can't imagine why people would want to watch three versions of the same format.

One of the appeals of watching other versions is to enjoy the differences. If they were all the same it wouldn't be like that.

I think the people who actually do watch the other versions are the ones to judge this.

[Ross.]

I watch all 3 and I don't want a BBUS format here http://atrl.net/forums/images/smilies/images/smilies/sorry.gif

[Jordan.]

WHy do people keep saying this? Some people just do have a preference, the number of versions that exist under that format is irrel.

Because it's a valid point. If you prefer that format then stick to those shows, we don't need the roots of our BB changing.

[TomC]

Because it's a valid point. If you prefer that format then stick to those shows, we don't need the roots of our BB changing.

It's not, it's not for people who don't even watch BBCAN to tell me I shouldn't want three BBUS-style formats.

[LukeB]

If they do Celeb vs Civilian Format then i won't be watching it because the show is focusing on celebrities and C5 are obsessed with celebrities that they have two CBBs a year and they are thinking about turning Civilian into another CBB. CBB is a spin off show and shouldn't be made into a main show. I rather them keep the civilian and celebrities separate which was the whole point in having Big Brother and Celebrity Big Brother. So give me USA/Australia/Canada format if it means keeping Civilian as it is.

[Marsh.]

It's not, it's not for people who don't even watch BBCAN to tell me I shouldn't want three BBUS-style formats.

But why would you want to?

[TomC]

But why would you want to?

Because I genuinely think I prefer the US format, and want to see it in the UK. I don't even watch BBUS.

[TomC]

If they do Celeb vs Civilian Format then i won't be watching it because the show is focusing on celebrities and C5 are obsessed with celebrities that they have two CBBs a year and they are thinking about turning Civilian into another CBB. CBB is a spin off show and shouldn't be made into a main show. I rather them keep the civilian and celebrities separate which was the whole point in having Big Brother and Celebrity Big Brother. So give me USA/Australia/Canada format if it means keeping Civilian as it is.

This. This twist would deviate so much further from the format than the BBUS one does. I can't believe people are genuinely saying they'd effectively raather have 3 CBBs a year :conf:

[Marsh.]

Because I genuinely think I prefer the US format, and want to see it in the UK. I don't even watch BBUS.

So how can you prefer a format you don't watch?

[Marsh.]

This. This twist would deviate so much further from the format than the BBUS one does. I can't believe people are genuinely saying they'd effectively raather have 3 CBBs a year :conf:

Tbh, the lines have been blurred for years.

Having people like Helen Wood in civilian BB whilst people like George Gilbey have been on CBB. They haven't known the difference between a CBB and BB contestant for a long time.

[Lostie!]

BBUS I guess but neither really

I don't think BBUS would work too well here but I hate the thought of celebs :omgno:

Yeah, I don't think it would at all. I think they'd just be killing the show off once and for all.

bb11's save&replace task was decent

I really liked that, I'd be happy to see that return to be honest.

[Jordan.]

This. This twist would deviate so much further from the format than the BBUS one does. I can't believe people are genuinely saying they'd effectively raather have 3 CBBs a year :conf:

How? the format would be exactly the same, just with BB and CBB combined. That's why people are voting for it over the US format which is a complete change.

[Ross.]

I don't think BBUS-style would be successful in the UK though, our producers aren't creative enough like BBCAN and would find a way to **** it up like they do currently anyway

The show has to change but the BBUS format is not the way forward imo http://atrl.net/forums/images/smilies/images/smilies/sorry.gif

[Marsh.]

Yeah, CBB and civilian being merged wouldn't change the format, unless nominations/evictions change.

[TomC]

So how can you prefer a format you don't watch?

Because I watch BBCAN which follows BBUS's format.

Tbh, the lines have been blurred for years.

Having people like Helen Wood in civilian BB whilst people like George Gilbey have been on CBB. They haven't known the difference between a CBB and BB contestant for a long time.

But Helen is still a normal person, whereas George Gilbey spent prolonged time on a TV show. And 'celebrity' is a subjective word anyway, but there are definitely a difference in BB and CBB HMs, even if there is the occasional crossover, like Zoe Birkett being more famous than Jeremy CBB17.

How? the format would be exactly the same, just with BB and CBB combined. That's why people are voting for it over the US format which is a complete change.

Because the original format of BB is to put a bunch of normal people in a house.

[Jordan.]

Because the original format of BB is to put a bunch of normal people in a house.

The BBUK format is housemates nominating and the public deciding who goes. Whether the people involved are civilians or celebrities doesn't change that.

[Lostie!]

Because the original format of BB is to put a bunch of normal people in a house.

The original format of BB is also to have all the housemates nominate and the public evict. People can't really campaign for the radically-altered BBUS format and then also be against something else simply because it's against the original format.

BBUK has gotten so bad because they feel the need to keep changing it up. Changing it even more won't save the show, it will kill it. They need to get back to what Big Brother used to be underneath the all the twists.

I enjoy BBUS and BBCAN but as I said earlier, I see them as a separate game entirely that happens to use the Big Brother title.

[LukeB]

Yeah, I don't think it would at all. I think they'd just be killing the show off once and for all.
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That's already been done

[Lostie!]

That's already been done

Well it's still on the air so no it hasn't. My point is that a change as radical as this will see it end again imo (and I don't see it coming back for a third go around).

[Marsh.]

Because I watch BBCAN which follows BBUS's format.


So why would you want to watch two shows (BBCAN and BBUK) that have the same format? Is the differences not what makes them both appealing?

[Marsh.]

But Helen is still a normal person, whereas George Gilbey spent prolonged time on a TV show. And 'celebrity' is a subjective word anyway, but there are definitely a difference in BB and CBB HMs, even if there is the occasional crossover, like Zoe Birkett being more famous than Jeremy CBB17.

Yes, Helen's a normal person. My point was that people "famous" for sleeping with actual celebrities are normally contenders for CBB yet they put her front and centre of the civilian show so it's not unheard of before now.

[TomC]

The original format of BB is also to have all the housemates nominate and the public evict. People can't really campaign for the radically-altered BBUS format and then also be against something else simply because it's against the original format.

The baseline premise of BB is to put a bunch of people in a house, hence why multiple formats exist.

So why would you want to watch two shows (BBCAN and BBUK) that have the same format? Is the differences not what makes them both appealing?

Because I prefer it. Isn't that obvious? I watch The Apprentice UK and The Apprentice US and they have the same format. Your point is irrelevant, because I like what I like.

[Lostie!]

The baseline premise of BB is to put a bunch of people in a house, hence why multiple formats exist.

Plenty of reality shows have people put in a house, there's more to the format that distinguishes it as Big Brother than that. You used the word "original", well the original format is exactly as I described.

I will say that BBUS and BBCAN's retaining the 24/7 live feed is more in-keeping with the heart of the Big Brother format than our measly attempt nowadays though.

[LukeB]

Well it's still on the air so no it hasn't. My point is that a change as radical as this will see it end again imo (and I don't see it coming back for a third go around).

Yes it's still on air but the show is still dead because it's gone against what the whole show is about. It's not big brother anymore it's a C5 version of the only way is essex and a sparkle of Geordie Shore and some bits of Made in Chelsea. Civilian BB is no more since they are turning it into Celebrity Big Brother and then we will have another CBB straight afterwards.

R.I.P Civilian

[TomC]

Plenty of reality shows have people put in a house, there's more to the format that distinguishes it as Big Brother than that.

This is just pedantry and isn't even relevant to what we're saying...

FS what am I doing with my life arguing over BB.

[Lostie!]

Yes it's still on air but the show is still dead because it's gone against what the whole show is about. It's not big brother anymore it's a C5 version of the only way is essex and a sparkle of Geordie Shore and some bits of Made in Chelsea. Civilian BB is no more since they are turning it into Celebrity Big Brother and then we will have another CBB straight afterwards.

R.I.P Civilian

Yes, but my whole point is that to remedy this, they should take it back to what it used to be. How would completely changing the entire format of the show be doing anything other than turning BBUK into a shadow of it's former self even more than it already is?

[Jordan.]

Yes, but my whole point is that to remedy this, they should take it back to what it used to be. How would completely changing the entire format of the show be doing anything other than turning BBUK into a shadow of it's former self even more than it already is?

plus the fact adopting the US format isn't going to stop them getting the usual z listers involved

[zakman440]

I'd like to expand on why I'd prefer the US format over civilians vs celebrities.

Firstly, I don't buy the "we already have this - so why don't you watch that instead?" argument. If Endemol themselves had used the argument of "we have Big Brother in the Netherlands - why don't you just watch that instead?", the format would never have expanded across the world in the first place.

Secondly, I think it's safe to say that anything left of the BBUK format is probably dead in the water in this point, hence why they want to make a radical change this series to make it seem like a new show.

That leads me on to my next point - these changes need to have longevity in mind. Be honest, does mixing celebrities and civilians sound like an idea that could be repeated again? If anything, it's a change that only has a quick boost in the ratings in mind and not the long term future on the show. It would probably also help bring the show one step closer to it's eventual axe and replacement with a longer Celebrity Big Brother.

Switching to the US format on the other hand seems to me like a bold move that does have longevity in mind, as it's an actual change rather than a twist in which the novelty will wear off around 2 weeks in. Let's not forget that the whole reason why the US format was created in the first place - the ratings were abysmal and Endemol/CBS needed to make a change in order to stay on the air (aka - the situation Big Brother UK is in right now). The US format is thriving in America and in Canada, with a similar format running successfully in Brazil, so it's not like it's dying in every market that it launches in.

The basic format of strangers living in a house together being watched by the public with evictions taking place would still be there, it's just the events up to and during the eviction that would be different. Regarding the phone vote, I don't think that Channel 5 is even making that much money of that anyway, but a good way of replacing that would be a Live Feed on the website that could be offered for free with product placement and advertising opportunities split between a profit and covering the cost or on a paid subscription basis that would do the same.

The production team can still cast the same characters that we get and we can still have the nightly highlights show - it's only the game format that's changing. No-one is saying that the editing style should change either (well, other than the already existing changes that need to take place) - the producers can still use the same story-arc that focuses on the housemates interactions rather than the gametalk (which isn't as common as some might think).

Don't get me wrong, there are other options that I'd prefer to see (I've said a lot that I'd prefer that they use the BBAU 5 points/superpower system and offer both VTE and VTS), but switching to the US format wouldn't be anywhere near as bad as some are making it out to be :shrug:. The ratings were already abysmal last summer with it falling under the 1 million mark on some nights, so Channel 5 haven't really got much to lose at this point.

[Lostie!]

This is just pedantry and isn't even relevant to what we're saying...

FS what am I doing with my life arguing over BB.

It's neither pedantic nor irrelevant but whatever you say.

plus the fact adopting the US format isn't going to stop them getting the usual z listers involved

Very true.

[Marsh.]

I'd like to expand on why I'd prefer the US format over civilians vs celebrities.

Firstly, I don't buy the "we already have this - so why don't you watch that instead?" argument. If Endemol themselves had used the argument of "we have Big Brother in the Netherlands - why don't you just watch that instead?", the format would never have expanded across the world in the first place.

That's not really a valid argument considering we can all only watch the shows that air in our own country.

People who watch other versions do so illegally. :hee:

[LukeB]

Yes, but my whole point is that to remedy this, they should take it back to what it used to be. How would completely changing the entire format of the show be doing anything other than turning BBUK into a shadow of it's former self even more than it already is?

Because the UK format is terrible and it gets terrible each year. It's never going to go back to what it was so a change of format won't hurt a dead end show. It's going to get axed either way because people are so bored of this crap. The uk format is beyond repairing. I prefer the that format too because the public have no power so they can't discriminate/be prejudice.

[Ross.]

That's not really a valid argument considering we can all only watch the shows that air in our own country.

People who watch other versions do so illegally. :hee:

Arrest Luke not me

[Firewire]

ffs everyone shut up it's a poll about preference and it's clear some people are passionate but like let people have an opinion JUST VOTE IN THE POLL

[Lostie!]

Because the UK format is terrible and it gets terrible each year. It's never going to go back to what it was so a change of format won't hurt a dead end show. It's going to get axed either way because people are so bored of this crap. The uk format is beyond repairing. I prefer the that format too because the public have no power so they can't discriminate/be prejudice.

It's not beyond repairing, they just choose not to. It's very simple to return the show to what it was. It just sounds like you wouldn't even want that because you've become so biased towards the US format.

And what about seasons like BB15 that are full of bigotry and nastiness and then the final two consists of two of those involved? At least with the UK format the public might have a chance to get them out (whether they do or not is another matter).

[Marsh.]

Arrest Luke not me

:creep:

[LukeB]

That leads me on to my next point - these changes need to have longevity in mind. Be honest, does mixing celebrities and civilians sound like an idea that could be repeated again? If anything, it's a change that only has a quick boost in the ratings in mind and not the long term future on the show. It would probably also help bring the show one step closer to it's eventual axe and replacement with a longer Celebrity Big Brother.



Ofc it would be repeated again, C5 are obsessed with celebrities. We will have 3 CBBs a year in no time.. well we are going to if they do Civilian vs Celebs because it's so obvious the celebs will the main focus of the show :rolleyes:

[Marsh.]

Timebomb is the template for what we have coming. The already known people stealing the screen time from the newbies.

[LukeB]

It's not beyond repairing, they just choose not to. It's very simple to return the show to what it was. It just sounds like you wouldn't even want that because you've become so biased towards the US format.

And what about seasons like BB15 that are full of bigotry and nastiness and then the final two consists of two of those involved? At least with the UK format the public might have a chance to get them out (whether they do or not is another matter).

Yes it is beyond repairing nothing can save it because it's too late/Brian. you can't bring back a dead person can you? BBUK is a dead show. I would like it back but it's never ever ever ever ever going to happen.

BB15 is one of the worst BBUK seasons which slightly killed the show by giving Helen a final pass and then they took away the power from people. Helen and Ashleigh only got votes because of the producers manipulating viewers. Jack_ being an Helen fan back then will also say this too. As I said before white males/females mainly males have it easy on the show. Where it's a different story for POC females.

[LukeB]

ffs everyone shut up it's a poll about preference and it's clear some people are passionate but like let people have an opinion JUST VOTE IN THE POLL

It's called a debate and everyone is letting people have an opinion so :hee:

and the irony of it all

[Jordan.]

Ofc it would be repeated again, C5 are obsessed with celebrities. We will have 3 CBBs a year in no time.. well we are going to if they do Civilian vs Celebs because it's so obvious the celebs will the main focus of the show :rolleyes:

It's not really channel 5's fault though that CBB is what the general public prefer to watch. If BB got better ratings I'm sure that would be their main focus.

[Lostie!]

ffs everyone shut up

but like let people have an opinion

:think:

Yes it is beyond repairing nothing can save it because it's too late/Brian. you can't bring back a dead person can you? BBUK is a dead show. I would like it back but it's never ever ever ever ever going to happen.

Luke, taking a show back to it's roots and bringing back dead people aren't really the same thing. :laugh:

BB15 is one of the worst BBUK seasons which slightly killed the show by giving Helen a final pass and then they took away the power from people. Helen and Ashleigh only got votes because of the producers manipulating viewers. Jack_ being an Helen fan back then will also say this too. As I said before white males/females mainly males have it easy on the show. Where it's a different story for POC females.

I was referring to BB15 US. :laugh:

[LukeB]

It's not really channel 5's fault though that CBB is what the general public prefer to watch. If BB got better ratings I'm sure that would be their main focus.

It is some of their fault because it's so obvious they don't give a damn about the civilian edition. They put more effort into CBB more than anything.

[Firewire]

Oop what I meant wasn't to stop debating just post your own opinion without belittling someone else's

[Jordan.]

It is some of their fault because it's so obvious they don't give a damn about the civilian edition. They put more effort into CBB more than anything.

In what way do they put more effort in? Apart from the cast obviously being better I'd say the tasks and twists they do are pretty much the same as what is in normal BB.

[Oliver_W]

Would they cast the same kinds of people for a BBCan/BBUSA type format? When I think of the auditions on YouTube, I think two I know of who said they'd been called seemed like the standard C5 "I'll have sex in the house and tell it like it is."

Not that such people can't be competitive m

As I said before white males/females mainly males have it easy on the show. Where it's a different story for POC females.
Thanks Tumblr.

[Jack_]

Why do people keep asking 'why would you want another version with the US format' to then be given answers several times but still repeat the question? The reasons have been repeated ad nauseam. It's a better format, it rewards people on merit not gender or lack or contribution, it's more consistent than what we have now, it's more interesting, I'd like to see British people playing because I think it'd be hilarious, I'd like to be given the opportunity to play myself. Etcetera, etcetera, etcetera.

If something's good of course I'm going to want it to be repeated elsewhere, why wouldn't I?

[Jack_]

I'd like to expand on why I'd prefer the US format over civilians vs celebrities.

Firstly, I don't buy the "we already have this - so why don't you watch that instead?" argument. If Endemol themselves had used the argument of "we have Big Brother in the Netherlands - why don't you just watch that instead?", the format would never have expanded across the world in the first place.

Secondly, I think it's safe to say that anything left of the BBUK format is probably dead in the water in this point, hence why they want to make a radical change this series to make it seem like a new show.

That leads me on to my next point - these changes need to have longevity in mind. Be honest, does mixing celebrities and civilians sound like an idea that could be repeated again? If anything, it's a change that only has a quick boost in the ratings in mind and not the long term future on the show. It would probably also help bring the show one step closer to it's eventual axe and replacement with a longer Celebrity Big Brother.

Switching to the US format on the other hand seems to me like a bold move that does have longevity in mind, as it's an actual change rather than a twist in which the novelty will wear off around 2 weeks in. Let's not forget that the whole reason why the US format was created in the first place - the ratings were abysmal and Endemol/CBS needed to make a change in order to stay on the air (aka - the situation Big Brother UK is in right now). The US format is thriving in America and in Canada, with a similar format running successfully in Brazil, so it's not like it's dying in every market that it launches in.

The basic format of strangers living in a house together being watched by the public with evictions taking place would still be there, it's just the events up to and during the eviction that would be different. Regarding the phone vote, I don't think that Channel 5 is even making that much money of that anyway, but a good way of replacing that would be a Live Feed on the website that could be offered for free with product placement and advertising opportunities split between a profit and covering the cost or on a paid subscription basis that would do the same.

The production team can still cast the same characters that we get and we can still have the nightly highlights show - it's only the game format that's changing. No-one is saying that the editing style should change either (well, other than the already existing changes that need to take place) - the producers can still use the same story-arc that focuses on the housemates interactions rather than the gametalk (which isn't as common as some might think).

Don't get me wrong, there are other options that I'd prefer to see (I've said a lot that I'd prefer that they use the BBAU 5 points/superpower system and offer both VTE and VTS), but switching to the US format wouldn't be anywhere near as bad as some are making it out to be :shrug:. The ratings were already abysmal last summer with it falling under the 1 million mark on some nights, so Channel 5 haven't really got much to lose at this point.

This is the post of the thread :clap1:

It's not really channel 5's fault though that CBB is what the general public prefer to watch. If BB got better ratings I'm sure that would be their main focus.

Oh but it absolutely is their fault. Channel 5's obsession with CBB has been evident from the very start and it's well documented that they didn't even want the civilian series in the first place. They launched with CBB, they throw all of the money and promotion at CBB, there's now two CBB's a year while the civilian series is losing weeks, civilians get VTE while their precision celebs are protected with VTS, the list goes on.

Their infatuation with CBB is completely transparent and everything they do and have done is all deliberate, in an attempt to make people prefer that version and sadly people have fallen for all of this. I remember when they took on the show that the warning signs were clear and that I'd hope people would still support the original version of the show but it isn't happening, it makes me so sad when I see people say that they prefer CBB now because it means what they've been doing has worked on them, they've fallen for it and it's desperately sad that fans have just tacitly allowed them to do this.

They've been driving the civilian series into the ground for years all so that they eventually have an excuse to axe it, the only hope now is that they seem to be pumping loads of money into a house extension - but time will tell.

[*mazedsalv**]

I'll give it a pass if it's US format.

There's a reason why US/Canada are the only countries who focus on game play... because those countries love game play. Eg. Survivor.

Here those formats are not welcome. The constant doom and talk of game play is what annoyed me about the first 2 weeks of BB13. Having a horrible/not very nice person win (which normally they do in the US) will be as welcome in this country as a nun slapping her tit across my face.

We are a moany lot. People will not like the fact they can't get people they dislike out.

I'm not here for 10 weeks of every scene being "ok our strategy is..." just have fun ffs

[Marsh.]

I'd rather not watch highlights after highlights of gameplay. Had enough of that in the first half of BB15. It's not watchable, it's boring and repetitive.

[Jake.]

I'll give it a pass if it's US format.

There's a reason why US/Canada are the only countries who focus on game play... because those countries love game play. Eg. Survivor.

Here those formats are not welcome. The constant doom and talk of game play is what annoyed me about the first 2 weeks of BB13. Having a horrible/not very nice person win (which normally they do in the US) will be as welcome in this country as a nun slapping her tit across my face.

We are a moany lot. People will not like the fact they can't get people they dislike out.

I'm not here for 10 weeks of every scene being "ok our strategy is..." just have fun ffs

Given that Helen won nearly two years ago though

[MB.]

Ah yes, Steve Moses truly is the human embodiment of evil

[Jack_]

I could count on one hand the number of people who've won BBUS who I'd describe as 'not very nice people', it's not much different to BBUK. What I do however prefer is that at least people under their format succeed on merit and through their own doing rather than by virtue of having a penis, being attractive or never speaking a word - which is so counter productive it's unreal.

Sure my favourites don't always win in North America but give me a winner like the brothers over someone like Sam Evans any day. They may have been annoying but at least they earned their win and it was deserved, based on some kind of merit.

[Jack_]

I'd rather not watch highlights after highlights of gameplay. Had enough of that in the first half of BB15. It's not watchable, it's boring and repetitive.

This isn't necessarily what would happen either, nor is anyone saying it should. Most people prefer BBCan to BBUS because it has elements of BBUK with secret missions, more fun, irreverent stuff and the inclusion of non-game talk discussions in the edit.

There's literally no chance of BBUK reverting to three episodes a week so that's plenty of time for normal conversations and highlights to be included as normal. Just because we'd adopt the US format, doesn't mean we'd have to adopt their show too. Canada has proven you can tweak it and make it your own.

[Marsh.]

it's not much different to BBUK.

That's settled then.

/endofthread

:)

[Jason.]

IA with Lostie tbh (from what I read on the the last page)

People complaining about BBUK being terrible now because it has changed too much and it's nothing like how it used to be years ago, yet they want to drift it away even further from the original concept by introducing the BBUSA format doesn't really make sense to me. :joker:

Each to their own, I guess. :shrug:

To answer the question, neither format because they're both awful ideas. But if I had to choose, I'd go with the Celeb vs. Civilian.

[Marsh.]

This isn't necessarily what would happen either, nor is anyone saying it should. Most people prefer BBCan to BBUS because it has elements of BBUK with secret missions, more fun, irreverent stuff and the inclusion of non-game talk discussions in the edit.

There's literally no chance of BBUK reverting to three episodes a week so that's plenty of time for normal conversations and highlights to be included as normal. Just because we'd adopt the US format, doesn't mean we'd have to adopt their show too. Canada has proven you can tweak it and make it your own.

Yes, but I'm highlighting what happens when the UK show adopts more gameplay elements, it tends to overtake everything. And considering that we get a lot less footage from the house nowadays it really spoils a series when only one thing (like the power housemate) is constantly focussed on and discussed.

[Jack_]

That's settled then.

/endofthread

:)

...um, no, because as I've stated several times now, at least people under the US format succeed on merit and their own doing, rather than just because they're a man, attractive or have never spoken in the series - or a combination of these three.

At least the winners of BBUS and Canada, or those who make it far, do so deservedly and with some kind of effort. I can stomach my favourites losing/winning that way much more than I can with the piss easy, laughable requirements it takes to do well in BBUK, because it's their own fault either way.

So the point still stands!

[Jason.]

IA with the Power HM thing being dull too. I remember the only talking point of Week 2 during BB15 being 'Who's the PHM?' and people speclating on who it was and trying to suss out Chris. It was beyond tedious.

[Pete.]

The person shouting over the fence it was Chris :laugh3:

I didn't know anyone had the effort in them to do that anymore

[Jack_]

Yes, but I'm highlighting what happens when the UK show adopts more gameplay elements, it tends to overtake everything. And considering that we get a lot less footage from the house nowadays it really spoils a series when only one thing (like the power housemate) is constantly focussed on and discussed.

Personally I think the first two weeks of BB13 were the best of the series for that very reason, but again it doesn't HAVE to be like this. The thought of British people playing the US game is hilarious to me in the first place, they won't have a clue what they're doing and it'll be people being nominated for personal reasons all over the place - so business as usual.

I also think if they adopt this format that live feed is a must, you cannot understand the dynamics of the game without it. And if we get live feed, you inevitably get normal conversations.

[Marsh.]

...um, no, because as I've stated several times now, at least people under the US format succeed on merit and their own doing, rather than just because they're a man, attractive or have never spoken in the series - or a combination of these three.

At least the winners of BBUS and Canada, or those who make it far, do so deservedly and with some kind of effort. I can stomach my favourites losing/winning that way much more than I can with the piss easy, laughable requirements it takes to do well in BBUK, because it's their own fault either way.

So the point still stands!

Effort? Voting each other off.

I don't really see any format of Big Brother being the kind of show that "rewards on merit".

But then I've never been one to care about who wins since it has no effect on whether I enjoyed the stories/unfolding of the series.

[Jason.]

I doubt we'll get live feed even if they do adopt the BBUS format. Like they've been without it for 5 years now and that's with their own format

[Marsh.]

Personally I think the first two weeks of BB13 were the best of the series for that very reason, but again it doesn't HAVE to be like this. The thought of British people playing the US game is hilarious to me in the first place, they won't have a clue what they're doing and it'll be people being nominated for personal reasons all over the place - so business as usual.

I also think if they adopt this format that live feed is a must, you cannot understand the dynamics of the game without it. And if we get live feed, you inevitably get normal conversations.

Of course they won't know what to do, because that's not the "Big Brother" they have become accustomed to.

[Jack_]

Effort? Voting each other off.

I don't really see any format of Big Brother being the kind of show that "rewards on merit".

But then I've never been one to care about who wins since it has no effect on whether I enjoyed the stories/unfolding of the series.

There's a hell of a lot of effort involved in winning BBUS or Canada. It's a social game, you have to have good enough bonds with people that they don't nominate you, don't see you as a threat, will vote to keep you if you're on the block, will vote for you to win so long as you manage them right upon their eviction. There's the competition element of winning endurance, physical and memory challenges to gain power that all require skill and studying, and then there's the strategy side which requires you to know who to target and at what point, in order to position yourself well.

It's not easy in the slightest and is so far removed from BBUK's requirements to succeed which is 'have a penis, be attractive and never speak a word all series and you'll make the final and maybe win' it's laughable, I mean how counter productive is that? :sleep:

[Jack_]

Of course they won't know what to do, because that's not the "Big Brother" they have become accustomed to.

And that's precisely why they should adopt the format! Housemates should not know what to expect, they should be thrown in at the deep end and told to get on with it, that's far better TV

[Marsh.]

There's a hell of a lot of effort involved in winning BBUS or Canada. It's a social game, you have to have good enough bonds with people that they don't nominate you, don't see you as a threat, will vote to keep you if you're on the block, will vote for you to win so long as you manage them right upon their eviction. There's the competition element of winning endurance, physical and memory challenges to gain power that all require skill and studying, and then there's the strategy side which requires you to know who to target and at what point, in order to position yourself well.

It's not easy in the slightest and is so far removed from BBUK's requirements to succeed which is 'have a penis, be attractive and never speak a word all series and you'll make the final and maybe win' it's laughable, I mean how counter productive is that? :sleep:

But BBUK isn't a gameshow in the same way BBUS is though.
That's why they're so different.

I watch to see all of their interactions, house dynamics. I couldn't care less about the prize fund/winner etc.

[Marsh.]

And that's precisely why they should adopt the format! Housemates should not know what to expect, they should be thrown in at the deep end and told to get on with it, that's far better TV

Or maybe do something original? :hehe:

Should BBUS adopt the UK format considering they've been going about 18 years too?

[Jason.]

There's a hell of a lot of effort involved in winning BBUS or Canada. It's a social game, you have to have good enough bonds with people that they don't nominate you, don't see you as a threat, will vote to keep you if you're on the block, will vote for you to win so long as you manage them right upon their eviction. There's the competition element of winning endurance, physical and memory challenges to gain power that all require skill and studying, and then there's the strategy side which requires you to know who to target and at what point, in order to position yourself well.

It's not easy in the slightest and is so far removed from BBUK's requirements to succeed which is 'have a penis, be attractive and never speak a word all series and you'll make the final and maybe win' it's laughable, I mean how counter productive is that? :sleep:

It's not tbf, but your winning mantra pretty much consists of whoever the 'loudest' one in the room on the night is the most deserving, regardless of anything else. Probably why you're so against the public vote and the BBUK format as a whole? :shrug:

[Jordan.]

Oh but it absolutely is their fault. Channel 5's obsession with CBB has been evident from the very start and it's well documented that they didn't even want the civilian series in the first place. They launched with CBB, they throw all of the money and promotion at CBB, there's now two CBB's a year while the civilian series is losing weeks, civilians get VTE while their precision celebs are protected with VTS, the list goes on.

Their infatuation with CBB is completely transparent and everything they do and have done is all deliberate, in an attempt to make people prefer that version and sadly people have fallen for all of this. I remember when they took on the show that the warning signs were clear and that I'd hope people would still support the original version of the show but it isn't happening, it makes me so sad when I see people say that they prefer CBB now because it means what they've been doing has worked on them, they've fallen for it and it's desperately sad that fans have just tacitly allowed them to do this.

They've been driving the civilian series into the ground for years all so that they eventually have an excuse to axe it, the only hope now is that they seem to be pumping loads of money into a house extension - but time will tell.

I don't agree with the points you've made. How exactly have C5 attempted to put people off normal BB in favour of CBB when as the ratings proof, that's been the case since it was still on C4? It's rather strange outlook to think they'd purposely sabotage one of their own shows that runs for 10 weeks. In my opinion all C5 have done is capitalise on the fact there was still more life left in CBB when they took the show on which is why I said you can't really blame them for it because it's paid off well.

[bots]

in order for a US style system to work in the UK and for them to retain their audience, they would need to fill the house with interesting characters rather than fame hungry wannabees, and that's never going to happen

[Babayaro.]

Jesus christ that was a waste of 10 minutes reading through this thread

[Jack_]

But BBUK isn't a gameshow in the same way BBUS is though.
That's why they're so different.

I watch to see all of their interactions, house dynamics. I couldn't care less about the prize fund/winner etc.

Well technically it is a gameshow, it has a cash prize at the end of it...it's just not as clear cut a game-format and people are chastised if they 'play the game' which is so unbelievably dumb.

Or maybe do something original? :hehe:

Should BBUS adopt the UK format considering they've been going about 18 years too?

BBUS began its first season with public voting, it failed and so they looked to Survivor's success and changed the format accordingly. The world owes a lot to Richard Hatch :love:

It's not tbf, but your winning mantra pretty much consists of whoever the 'loudest' one in the room on the night is the most deserving, regardless of anything else. Probably why you're so against the public vote and the BBUK format as a whole? :shrug:

Unsurprisingly that's another deliberate misrepresentation and exaggeration of how I choose to support people by someone on this forum, but it figures.

It is true, the stats speak for themselves. Liam, JJ, Andrew, Mario, Dave, Alex, Sam, Pav, Chris, Ash and Cristian all made the final or won through either never speaking a word, being a man or being attractive - to varying degrees. It's the easiest road to success on pretty much any reality show in existence, if I was cast as a housemate all I'd have to do is just get on with everyone, never say anything or make any waves and I'd probably make the final :shrug: not only is that laughable, it's also counter productive, you are encouraging people to do nothing. At least in Canada and the US people have earned their place

Oh it's definitely a part of the reason, I've always made that abundantly clear. The public are clueless and ruin series after series with their sexist, idiotic voting patterns. The show would be a lot better off without their involvement, perhaps if they weren't so bad it would be different but they aren't. It's not THE only reason though, I just think the US format is fairer, purer and more interesting

[*mazedsalv**]

Given that Helen won nearly two years ago though

But that rarely happens. She was an exception.

Craig, Brian, Kate, (not much Cameron but meh), sometimes Nadia and Anthony (most tolerable out of that group), Pete, Brian, Rachel, Sophie, Josie (well don't know about this one), Aaron, Luke A, Sam and Chloe were all kind of nice people. Some may have had their moments, but they were not nasty.

Whereas sneakiness, slyness, ruthlessness and nastiness are welcomed to BBUSA.

Had BB13 stayed "gameplay" Conor would have won because even after that aspect ended, he continuously hinted to the Insiders to nominate the Outsiders, and then within the Insiders, he was actually liked by all, who would have voted him as winner.

There is no way the Luke A/Deana/Adam group would have survived because there were more of the Insiders at the start.

[Marsh.]

Well technically it is a gameshow, it has a cash prize at the end of it...it's just not as clear cut a game-format and people are chastised if they 'play the game' which is so unbelievably dumb.

Yes, it has a cash prize. But it's not really about "the game" is it?

It's more us simply watching a group of people laugh, argue and whatever else and then one person gets a bit of money in the last 10 minutes. It's never (apart from isolated moments like the starts of 13 and 15) been about the game.

[*mazedsalv**]

And Power HM i BB15 was tragic.

BBUK don't know how to handle that sort of stuff, hence why they had the public choose a HM to be safe that week, we chose Ashleigh, and then BB decided "naa **** that, put her up".

So even if it is like BBUSA, BB would intervene and make up twists to reverse people's choices.

[TomC]

But that rarely happens. She was an exception.

Craig, Brian, Kate, (not much Cameron but meh), sometimes Nadia and Anthony (most tolerable out of that group), Pete, Brian, Rachel, Sophie, Josie (well don't know about this one), Aaron, Luke A, Sam and Chloe were all kind of nice people. Some may have had their moments, but they were not nasty.

Whereas sneakiness, slyness, ruthlessness and nastiness are welcomed to BBUSA.

Had BB13 stayed "gameplay" Conor would have won because even after that aspect ended, he continuously hinted to the Insiders to nominate the Outsiders, and then within the Insiders, he was actually liked by all, who would have voted him as winner.

There is no way the Luke A/Deana/Adam group would have survived because there were more of the Insiders at the start.

But we're talking about the BBUS format not the BBUK format with nom talk, and in the BBUS format, and of the Outsider group could have saved themselves by winning comps.

[Samm]

I wish they would hurry up and confirm what's happening already since these same old debates about the BBUS format will stop http://atrl.net/forums/images/smilies/images/smilies/sorry.gif

[*mazedsalv**]

But we're talking about the BBUS format not the BBUK format with nom talk, and in the BBUS format, and of the Outsider group could have saved themselves by winning comps.

Even so. IMO, it just drifts BB away from what it has already drifted away from.

The only thing standing from BB1 is that we get people out, with that gone, there would be no point of BB or even the BB voice telling the HMs what to do.

I would hate 70 HL shows of 50 mins, "The HMs are discussing who they will nominate", "the HMs are making an alliance", "the hms are talking about putting so and so on the chopping block".

No thanks.

Also, i recall the viewers and forum people hated the gameplay aspect of 13, leading it to end in Week 2. I heard rumours that it was supposed to be ALL gameplay. But people complained about the lack of fun and BB reversed it. In fact there was a big thread on here and DS about begging BB to stop it.

Also, with that we wouldn't have gotten ABCD eviction. It would have been Deana out of there if the HMs had their way because she would have had Ashleigh, Luke S, Conor and Arron against her. Conor and Arron would have split the Outsiders votes to evict.

Bye Bye Deana.

[Jason.]

Even so. IMO, it just drifts BB away from what it has already drifted away from.

The only thing standing from BB1 is that we get people out, with that gone, there would be no point of BB or even the BB voice telling the HMs what to do.

I would hate 70 HL shows of 50 mins, "The HMs are discussing who they will nominate", "the HMs are making an alliance", "the hms are talking about putting so and so on the chopping block".

No thanks.

Also, i recall the viewers and forum people hated the gameplay aspect of 13, leading it to end in Week 2. I heard rumours that it was supposed to be ALL gameplay. But people complained about the lack of fun and BB reversed it. In fact there was a big thread on here and DS about begging BB to stop it.

Also, with that we wouldn't have gotten ABCD eviction. It would have been Deana out of there if the HMs had their way because she would have had Ashleigh, Luke S, Conor and Arron against her. Conor and Arron would have split the Outsiders votes to evict.

Bye Bye Deana.

Yeah idg the hate against the UK public voting. Well I do - their taste is trash most of the time, but brilliant housemates like Deana and Makosi wouldn't have gotten as far as they did with the BBUS format.

Deana would've been out in Week 4 (or even earlier if Arron/Conor won HOH in like Week 2 or something) if the housemates decided who was evicted because she was the most unpopular housemate inside the house (she got the most nominations in the series). And people like Conor would've gotten really far (and probably would've won) because he had a strong and loyal group in the house and whoever he disliked would've been picked off in quick succession with the help of Caroline, Ashleigh, Arron, Becky, Luke S, and anyone else he would've manipulated.

Makosi would've went earlier cause she'd be seen as a threat or something nnn

[karl100589]

Yeah idg the hate against the UK public voting. Well I do - their taste is trash most of the time, but brilliant housemates like Deana and Makosi wouldn't have gotten as far as they did with the BBUS format.

Deana would've been out in Week 4 (or even earlier if Arron/Conor won HOH in like Week 2 or something) if the housemates decided who was evicted because she was the most unpopular housemate inside the house (she got the most nominations in the series). And people like Conor would've gotten really far (and probably would've won) because he had a strong and loyal group in the house and whoever he disliked would've been picked off in quick succession with the help of Caroline, Ashleigh, Arron, Becky, Luke S, and anyone else he would've manipulated.

Makosi would've went earlier cause she'd be seen as a threat or something nnn

But Conor would also have been the first target had the opposite side of the house won HOH, he was too much of an alpha to go under the radar.

[Marsh.]

But Conor would also have been the first target had the opposite side of the house won HOH, he was too much of an alpha to go under the radar.

But he'd still survive since his side of the house would've outnumbered the other in the final vote to evict.

[LukeB]

I can see Deana getting far if she it was BBUSA format, you don't need to be loved by everyone to get far into it.

[LukeB]

But he'd still survive since his side of the house would've outnumbered the other in the final vote to evict.

Not if these people saw sense and saw him as a threat, all it takes is a perfect campaign to make things flip and conor is blindsided.

[Jason.]

But Conor would also have been the first target had the opposite side of the house won HOH, he was too much of an alpha to go under the radar.

But then he'd have Arron, Ashleigh, Caroline, Luke S, Becky, Shievonne all voting to evict his opponent. And who knows? Maybe the floaters (Scott, Sara) would've voted out his opponent too. 6-8 votes is enough to seal your fate.

[karl100589]

But he'd still survive since his side of the house would've outnumbered the other in the final vote to evict.

But that side of the house also knew that at some point they would have to cut Conor loose if they wanted to win for themselves. If the houseguests were given the choice at the endgame between comp threat Conor and someone like Becky they would keep Becky any day because she would be good goat to take to the end.

[Marsh.]

Not if these people saw sense and saw him as a threat, all it takes is a perfect campaign to make things flip and conor is blindsided.

So, basically, it's unpredictable either way. :laugh:

[LukeB]

So, basically, it's unpredictable either way. :laugh:

Things change by the day and it's not so obvious most times so yeah it's unpredictable..

I can see Deana actually getting far if her season was BBUSA format. I can see Deana being the best player too and actually flipping the target onto someone else. I mean if Conor was targeting Deana for weeks she can still survive if Conor saw sense that keeping her is better for his game. Enemies work together most times.

[Marsh.]

So it's not perfect. :hee:

BBUK format for the win.

[Jason.]

I also think Conor would beat most of his alliance in an eviction with the BBUS format. Like if him and Caroline were up for example. Caroline would probably get more votes cause Luke A, Lauren and Adam disliked Caroline way more than they did Conor and I can imagine the rest of the Insiders like Arron and Ashleigh would throw a vote towards Caroline going. Others might also want to keep him in over Caroline because even though he's a big threat, he's also a big target because of that.

[LukeB]

So it's not perfect. :hee:

BBUK format for the win.

It's more better than predicable BBUK :hmph:

[Marsh.]

It's more better than predicable BBUK :hmph:

Nothing was predictable about Helen Wood winning. :nono:

[Pete.]

BBUSA is soo predictable at times especially in recent years (like BB16)

[LukeB]

Nothing was predictable about Helen Wood winning. :nono:

Final week editing made it obvious :spin:

[Jason.]

fff I can't imagine Helen Wood in a series with the US format

She'd either make it far because people would be too scared to put her up or she'd be out early cause she's aggressive and everyone would be too scared to live with her any longer :joker:

[Pete.]

fff I can't imagine Helen Wood in a series with the US format

She'd either make it far because people would be too scared to put her up or she'd be out early cause she's aggressive and everyone would be too scared to live with her any longer :joker:
See: Amanda Zuckerman

[Jason.]

See: Amanda Zuckerman

Helen didn't try to crush someone alive with one slam of a door or make bigoted remarks :nono:

[Marsh.]

Helen didn't try to crush someone alive with one slam of a door or make bigoted remarks :nono:

Saint!

[Pete.]

Helen didn't try to crush someone alive with one slam of a door or make bigoted remarks :nono:
I would say that Helen would play like Amanda, a nasty bully when it doesn't go her way

[Jake.]

Helen didn't try to crush someone alive with one slam of a door or make bigoted remarks :nono:

No, she just made a whole other load of remarks regarding weight and looks and religion and rapist/paedophile accusations and threats of violence

[Marsh.]

No, she just made a whole other load of remarks regarding weight and looks and religion and rapists and paedophiles and violence

Steady on loov you're looking like a crazed rapist there!

[Jason.]

No, she just made a whole other load of remarks regarding weight and looks and religion and rapist/paedophile accusations and threats of violence

She doesn't remember saying those things!