Voting Registration site crashed

[Cherie]

There was a spike in registrations after the debate last night, and the system crashed, the deadline to register was midnight, I have no sympathy as its been open for months :idc:

[arista]

Yes to many left it too late
I guess some may have wanted to Vote
after last night ITV's Live debate.


Crazy to leave to the last few hours

[joeysteele]

If there is a set deadline and something happens up to that deadline that prevents the desired action being able to be done.
Then that is not the fault of anyone trying to beat that deadline.

If you had won a great prize and had up to a deadline time and date to claim it,if the system failed before the deadline time and date, then we would have every right to have an extension.

The deadline to register was 11.59pm not 10pm. That is absolutely no fault at all of those wishing to comply with applying before the deadline time and date was reached.

[bots]

If there is a set deadline and something happens up to that deadline that prevents the desired action being able to be done.
Then that is not the fault of anyone trying to beat that deadline.

If you had won a great prize and had up to a deadline time and date to claim it,if the system failed before the deadline time and date, then we would have every right to have an extension.

The deadline to register was 11.59pm not 10pm. That is absolutely no fault at all of those wishing to comply with applying before the deadline time and date was reached.

I agree in principle with what you are saying. But, as the online system relied on the net and computers and the same are known to be loopy under pressure, it is on the person registering to ensure they do it with enough time to rectify if it goes wrong. Similar to something being lost in the post, if it gets lost, you do it early enough to ensure you have the ability to send it again or use some other method.

Its not like people haven't been warned plenty of times, they should take responsibility for their own tardiness and live with the consequences rather than looking for others to blame.

[Cherie]

I agree in principle with what you are saying. But, as the online system relied on the net and computers and the same are known to be loopy under pressure, it is on the person registering to ensure they do it with enough time to rectify if it goes wrong. Similar to something being lost in the post, if it gets lost, you do it early enough to ensure you have the ability to send it again or use some other method.

Its not like people haven't been warned plenty of times, they should take responsibility for their own tardiness and live with the consequences rather than looking for others to blame.



Agree I don't get the excuse either that they didn't know where they would be living until 10pm last night, signing up to anything on the internet at short notice is fraught with things that can go wrong

[bots]

Agree I don't get the excuse either that they didn't know where they would be living until 10pm last night, signing up to anything on the internet at short notice is fraught with things that can go wrong

if you are catching a flight, and don't leave sufficient time for a traffic jam or whatever and miss the flight, its your own fault, not the fault of the airline .... its the same thing :laugh:

[Cherie]

Now some are calling for the deadline to be extended :facepalm:

[Livia]

Let's change the rules for all those people who couldn't be arsed to get their ducks in a row.

[joeysteele]

Then just out of common sense and right,what is the point of having deadlines if it is in any way acceptable the service is not going to be available until the 'set' deadline.
Odd take on democracy there.

Why in the UK are people not automatically on the voting register anyway, once they turn 18 unless they request not to be.

I think it should be extended and am stunned that anyone thinks anyone who should be eligible and have a legal right to vote, and who complied with the deadline put in place,should now be excluded from doing so.

We are having debates now, just maybe some were spurred by those debates to actually bother to vote after all, isn't that the original intention of the debates, to actually try to reach and motivate people.

[joeysteele]

Let's change the rules for all those people who couldn't be arsed to get their ducks in a row.

Its not about changing the rules at all, if the set deadline could not be met for those complying with it.

You have to have postal votes in by the deadline 10pm on voting day but you can send then any time from getting them,even weeks before the vote.
Those who take more time are no less valid than those who do so rapidly.

[joeysteele]

if you are catching a flight, and don't leave sufficient time for a traffic jam or whatever and miss the flight, its your own fault, not the fault of the airline .... its the same thing :laugh:

Yes but if the actual deadline check in time is say 8pm you have until that time to check in, not 'have' to do so by 6pm.

[bots]

Yes but if the actual deadline check in time is say 8pm you have until that time to check in, not 'have' to do so by 6pm.

On line registration wasn't the only option, its their own fault. Always people wan't to blame someone else, no-one takes responsibility for their own actions. If they really wanted to vote, they should have done it weeks prior to the end date. I have no sympathy for them whatsoever.

[Northern Monkey]

I've got splinters in my arse on this one.
Part of me agrees with Joey that since it's their server that crashed then they should reimburse that time really as they have set the deadline and should honour that amount of time.

But then part of me thinks if you are going to say for example go and queue up for an event or something and the deadline for entry is say 8.00pm and hundreds of people rush to get in at say 7.45pm then not everyone is going to get in due to the time restriction and amount of people all trying to get in.Then it's just tough luck and you'd just accept it.
The only thing is that this is much more important.
On balance i'd say really they should give the time back as a gesture of good will and because of the importance of the situation.So i'm with Joey on balance.

[Cherie]

Now they are saying you can register all day today? I'm sorry it smacks of hand holding, most of those who got caught will be quite aware that sites crash internet connections can be lost, but the lesson learned is deadlines can now be extended if they can't get their act together and do it in time, apparently it also favours remain as it will be mostly under 25s who will not have complied with the deadline, still happy Monkey :laugh:

[Northern Monkey]

Now they are saying you can register all day today? I'm sorry it smacks of hand holding, most of those who got caught will be quite aware that sites crash internet connections can be lost, but the lesson learned is deadlines can now be extended if they can't get their act together and do it in time, apparently it also favours remain as it will be mostly under 25s who will not have complied with the deadline, still happy Monkey :laugh:

I'm not really that arsed tbh.Whatever will be will be.I'm sure my life won't change drastically either way.Maybe shorter queues and quicker doctors and dentists appointments if we leave but feck it.

[Cherie]

I'm not really that arsed tbh.Whatever will be will be.I'm sure my life won't change drastically either way.Maybe shorter queues and quicker doctors and dentists appointments if we leave but feck it.

If we leave nothing will happen overnight, it will be years before anything is sorted

[joeysteele]

I am pleased common sense has prevailed and that people can register today,that is fair it is still a full 2 weeks before polling day.

If now anyone hasn't done so then I too will have no sympathy then with them.

[Livia]

This is what happens when people leave stuff as important as this to the last minute. Every other disorganised person in the country who also left it to the last minute joins with you to crash the website. Who's fault is it that the server crashed? The host of arses who have had the rest of their life to register but left it to a couple of hours before a deadline. A deadline.

The moral of this story? Sort yourself out and don't leave everything till the last minute in case there's a problem.

[joeysteele]

If we leave nothing will happen overnight, it will be years before anything is sorted

I personally fear things will happen Cherie.

It will be years for sure but the uncertainty around for those years of what deals may be done, and deals won or not won.
What conditions will apply eventually, not known too for some considerable time,either as to an EU deal or deals around the World.

That is not in anyway going to boost our economy or inspire confidence from Foreign investors as to doing so in the UK.

Then at the end of the years of negotiations the UK could I think very likely find itself running around just making up strongly lost ground, even just to get back to the point where we are today again.

[bots]

I personally fear things will happen Cherie.

It will be years for sure but the uncertainty around for those years of what deals may be done, and deals won or not won.
What conditions will apply eventually, not known too for some considerable time,either as to an EU deal or deals around the World.

That is not in anyway going to boost our economy or inspire confidence from Foreign investors as to doing so in the UK.

Then at the end of the years of negotiations the UK could I think very likely find itself running around just making up strongly lost ground, even just to get back to the point where we are today again.

The reality is that the markets have already adjusted to an out result. If the result is remain, there will be an immediate bounce in the markets.

what we wont see, is the erosion of companies and jobs over time if we vote out. it will just be attributed to a global downturn. The other side of it is in 5-10 years we will see a rise in inflation, but again, its all to easy to attribute that to some other event

[Cherie]

I personally fear things will happen Cherie.

It will be years for sure but the uncertainty around for those years of what deals may be done, and deals won or not won.
What conditions will apply eventually, not known too for some considerable time,either as to an EU deal or deals around the World.

That is not in anyway going to boost our economy or inspire confidence from Foreign investors as to doing so in the UK.

Then at the end of the years of negotiations the UK could I think very likely find itself running around just making up strongly lost ground, even just to get back to the point where we are today again.

I'm voting in Joey, better the devil you know, that said I think it's so close which is why the government are desperate to extend the deadline

[Northern Monkey]

If we leave nothing will happen overnight, it will be years before anything is sorted
Yep i agree.I don't think we will see anything happen quickly either way.I do however think that the EU commissioners have a few things up their sleeves that they are waiting to implement after our referendum,Things we probably won't agree with that they will have put on hold until we vote to remain or leave,Things that would affect the vote.But like everything in the EU we will not see anything happen quickly.

[Cherie]

Deadline extended to midnight tomorrow, farce!

[joeysteele]

I'm voting in Joey, better the devil you know, that said I think it's so close which is why the government are desperate to extend the deadline

Hi Cherie :wavey:

I do agree with that but I do hope and want from both sides the maximum turnout possible for this to be a really truly representative referendum.
It is bad enough that for many, it will sadly not be an informed choice vote due to this horrendous campaigning.

So overall myself,I am glad they have given more time now.

[Johnnyuk123]

Deadline extended to midnight tomorrow, farce!

It's so all the illegal immigrants have a chance to vote remain.:joker::joker::joker:

[Ammi]

..I'm glad that the deadline was extended with this..I know it might not be the wisest to leave it until the last moment but some people do that and the servers etc should have had enough euro-bytes to accommodate that, so I think it was an equal fault and it's good that the hours given to vote were made up, so that as many votes as possible are exercised...

[joeysteele]

..I'm glad that the deadline was extended with this..I know it might not be the wisest to leave it until the last moment but some people do that and the servers etc should have had enough euro-bytes to accommodate that, so I think it was an equal fault and it's good that the hours given to vote were made up, so that as many votes as possible are exercised...

Absolutely Ammi.

I like to consider myself pretty well organised as to things I do or have to do but many times I have left things to the last minute, and a couple of occasions at least, the very last minute too.
I still make the point that the surge seemed to come after the Cameron/Farage debate programme too on TV.

It may well have been that something was said that helped 'persuade' some to at least register for a vote after watching that.

[Cherie]

Did they need to extend by 48 hours when just two hours were lost :unsure:

[Jack_]

People actually care about this? Why?

It's not going to affect your right to vote, it just means others are rightfully going to be allowed the opportunity to. If extending the deadline means more people are entitled to exercise their democratic right after this appalling new system has ****ed so many people over, then I don't see the problem.

[Ross.]

Let the latecomers have their vote Cherie!

[Livia]

People actually care about this? Why?

It's not going to affect your right to vote, it just means others are rightfully going to be allowed the opportunity to. If extending the deadline means more people are entitled to exercise their democratic right after this appalling new system has ****ed so many people over, then I don't see the problem.

What crashed the system was a host of people who couldn't get their sh1t together in time and all tried to register right up against the deadline. And honestly, when you've had the whole year to register and you couldn't be bothered until hours before the deadline, I'm not sure your vote is going to be worth waiting for.

[Cherie]

People actually care about this? Why?

It's not going to affect your right to vote, it just means others are rightfully going to be allowed the opportunity to. If extending the deadline means more people are entitled to exercise their democratic right after this appalling new system has ****ed so many people over, then I don't see the problem.

Why bother with a deadline at all? The only reason it was extended was to favour "remain"' do you honestly think they would have extended for any other reason :joker: so yes we should be bothered

Let the latecomers have their vote Cherie!

Will they get out of bed to vote though :unsure: I mean if they can't get to the PCs in their bedrooms :unsure:

What crashed the system was a host of people who couldn't get their sh1t together in time and all tried to register right up against the deadline. And honestly, when you've had the whole year to register and you couldn't be bothered until hours before the deadline, I'm not sure your vote is going to be worth waiting for.


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[billy123]

It's so all the illegal immigrants have a chance to vote remain.:joker::joker::joker:You make no sense whatsoever.
How would a person who isn't here legally be able to vote?
How on earth would it make a difference to them to remain if they are not here legally?
What utter rubbish you post.

[Northern Monkey]

Did they need to extend by 48 hours when just two hours were lost :unsure:

I've changed my mind about this now.I was all for them giving the two hours back just out of good will but extending by 24 or 48 hours is more like rigging it.They know that it's the lazy leftist students that could'nt be arsed to register so they've given them a whole extra two days.That needs investigating.
Also the Daily Politics has said that the electoral commission has done very little to stop EU nationals registering to vote.I was reluctant in the other thread to say that this referendum will be fixed but it's heading more and more in that direction now.

[Tom4784]

I've changed my mind about this now.I was all for them giving the two hours back just out of good will but extending by 24 or 48 hours is more like rigging it.They know that it's the lazy leftist students that could'nt be arsed to register so they've given them a whole extra two days.That needs investigating.
Also the Daily Politics has said that the electoral commission has done very little to stop EU nationals registering to vote.I was reluctant in the other thread to say that this referendum will be fixed but it's heading more and more in that direction now.

Noo! It doesn't benefit Brexit to keep registration open! Shut it down shut it down!

[Northern Monkey]

Noo! It doesn't benefit Brexit to keep registration open! Shut it down shut it down!
No just give them the lost time back from the server crash.That would be perfectly reasonable.If they still cba to register then they don't deserve to vote.

[Cherie]

Noo! It doesn't benefit Brexit to keep registration open! Shut it down shut it down!

I'm voting remain but I can see how unfair and undemocratic this extension is, yesterday morning someone said it would be impossible to extend as it would have to be ratified by parliament, guess what it's been rushed through, if we stay in or go out it should be at the will of the majority not manipulated so the "right" result is ensured, I wasn't in favour of the government spending 9 million on a propaganda leaflet either :idc:

[Jack_]

What crashed the system was a host of people who couldn't get their sh1t together in time and all tried to register right up against the deadline. And honestly, when you've had the whole year to register and you couldn't be bothered until hours before the deadline, I'm not sure your vote is going to be worth waiting for.

I wasn't talking about the crash, I meant the entirely new system of individual voter registration itself which has meant nearly a million people falling off the register - it's appalling and so if the deadline being extended means more of those who were ****ed over by it now get their chance to vote, that isn't a bad thing.

It doesn't matter when people choose to register. It's not an incremental deadline where if you register twelve months in advance your vote is worth ten times more than someone who registers twelve days before. A deadline is a deadline. If I submit an essay half an hour before it is due, it is marked and treated in exactly the same manner as someone who did it a day before me.

If people were trying to register after the deadline then you would have a point, but so long as it were before the deadline it doesn't make a blind bit of difference to how 'worthy' their vote is, what nonsense.

Why bother with a deadline at all? The only reason it was extended was to favour "remain"' do you honestly think they would have extended for any other reason :joker: so yes we should be bothered

The argument that it favours the remain side is pure conjecture, what about those who are undecided? Perhaps they weren't sure if they were going to vote, watched the debate and then thought it best to register?

The simple fact is by extending the deadline more people are going to be entitled to exercise their democratic right to vote, that isn't a bad thing no matter how people wish to look at it and really it speaks volumes if you think it is :shrug:

[_Tom_]

If you care so little about your vote that you don't bother to register until the deadline - then tough.

[joeysteele]

I wasn't talking about the crash, I meant the entirely new system of individual voter registration itself which has meant nearly a million people falling off the register - it's appalling and so if the deadline being extended means more of those who were ****ed over by it now get their chance to vote, that isn't a bad thing.

It doesn't matter when people choose to register. It's not an incremental deadline where if you register twelve months in advance your vote is worth ten times more than someone who registers twelve days before. A deadline is a deadline. If I submit an essay half an hour before it is due, it is marked and treated in exactly the same manner as someone who did it a day before me.

If people were trying to register after the deadline then you would have a point, but so long as it were before the deadline it doesn't make a blind bit of difference to how 'worthy' their vote is, what nonsense.



The argument that it favours the remain side is pure conjecture, what about those who are undecided? Perhaps they weren't sure if they were going to vote, watched the debate and then thought it best to register?

The simple fact is by extending the deadline more people are going to be entitled to exercise their democratic right to vote, that isn't a bad thing no matter how people wish to look at it and really it speaks volumes if you think it is :shrug:

Totally excellent points Jack_ all through.

I believe in the fullest democracy in the UK and quite frankly I am astounded that there is not in place automatic voter registration for those who turn 18 years old.

In your first part of your post, you make a brilliant point as to some falling off the register due to the changes and I indeed know of some in the last week who believed they were on the register, then got no polling information.
So had to re-register, ridiculous.

It astounds me that anyone involved in politics or even just interested in politics, would actually not want to encourage, and make sure all people of eligible status and age, can use their full right of a democratic vote in the UK.

Maybe extending the deadline to 2 days later was excessive but the govt had to make its mind up whether to do so,most of one day was in fact lost making that decision, so fair enough.

However the right to vote should be an automatic thing put in place at 18 in my view.
Ensuring all citizens of the UK who are eligible to vote, are securely on the register is all that matters to me,no matter how they may vote or who for.

Naturally too if people move,it is necessary for them to update their information.

[_Tom_]

I believe in the fullest democracy in the UK

Since when did you suddenly care for democracy :joker:

[Cherie]

Totally excellent points Jack_ all through.

Maybe extending the deadline to 2 days later was excessive but the govt had to make its mind up whether to do so,most of one day was in fact lost making that decision, so fair enough.



No time was lost Joey as on the 9am news yesterday people were encouraged to continue registering by the PM so a full 48 hours was given

[joeysteele]

Since when did you suddenly care for democracy :joker:

Excuse me, you do not know me.
I have always believed in democracy, not that we really have that in the UK where a govt can govern with absolute power with only around 3.5 of every 10 votes cast by the people who actually voted.
Thereby totally almost ignoring the votes of the 6+ out of 10 other voters.

What right have you to say I don't care for democracy?

If it is just a rather childish petty dig because I want to remain in the EU,then even there I want and hope for more democracy in that too.

I just believe we can help make that more possibly a fact if we stay in,we certainly cannot do anything to help bring that about if we are out.

[bots]

extending the deadline for registration isn't tipping the balance of voting in any direction. The number of potential voters remains the same. In the time we have remaining till the vote, 10's of thousands will be changing their minds right up till they put their X in the box. I'm not unhappy at them extending the deadline, but it is time for responsible potential voters to take responsibility for their own actions/behaviour.

[joeysteele]

No time was lost Joey as on the 9am news yesterday people were encouraged to continue registering by the PM so a full 48 hours was given

Oh I think you may find there was Cherie, on the Daily Politics after PMQs yesterday, after the PM had said people should keep trying, Andrew Neill said the site was still not working, so for an unknown time yesterday, they could not register.

Which I would presume was why,rightly or wrongly, they included today in the new deadline too.