Did Natalie over-react?

[Black Dagger]

Well? Personally I think she did, it was a perfectly justifiable conversation and I thought she came across badly, still want her to become a housemate though.

[MB.]

Definitely but it was the most entertaining thing that's happened so far because of it

[Maxxie.]

She's entertaining but yeah she did over react and for a BB housemate I like her but if I met her personally I'm pretty certain I wouldn't, very different things see.

[Oaker]

Yes but it was hilarious and I still love her

[Pete.]

We can't really judge because we don't know what kind of racist **** Natalie has got in the past. I think this stemmed from past problems to do with racism that Natalie has not fully addressed. The idea that Natalie is now a vile villain is a tad overreaction though

[Samm]

Yes, but she's hilarious and I still really like both of them

[andybigbro]

100%

[nonstop]

Hugely. She's better slow down or there will be no race cards left.

[Kazanne]

She's awful,and yes she overreacted and played that race card.

[Lostie!]

100% she overreacted.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

What Natalie is saying, fair enough your mums first carer abused her or whatever-but why did the fact that they were black come into it in the first place? Fair enough she said black carer is nice now , aw how sweet, but if the first carer was a blonde what would have been the relevance to say ''she's blonde you know'' This is what made Natalie feel like it was implied that black were aliens.

[Braden]

I understand what she meant by 'black people not being aliens' because they didn't speak tactfully considering there was a black person in the room. She definitely overreacted in terms of the context of what they were talking about.

[Cherie]

We can't really judge because we don't know what kind of racist **** Natalie has got in the past. I think this stemmed from past problems to do with racism that Natalie has not fully addressed. The idea that Natalie is now a vile villain is a tad overreaction though


Oh please that was a total over reaction, the only thing she took on board was Jaynes Mum being abused by a black career, she never listened to any favourable things Jayne said

[Headie]

Yeah but the whole thing was entertaining, all the Others are amazing except Andrew

[Cherie]

What Natalie is saying, fair enough your mums first carer abused her or whatever-but why did the fact that they were black come into it in the first place? Fair enough she said black carer is nice now , aw how sweet, but if the first carer was a blonde what would have been the relevance to say ''she's blonde you know'' This is what made Natalie feel like it was implied that black were aliens.


Because the care home labelled Jaynes Mum a racist and said she didn't do well with black people which wasn't the case at all !

[Withano]

Natalie just wanted a shout

[Drew.]

Could have told you without even watching it that she'd overreact

[Ninastar]

Oop at the results

[Josy]

She completely overreacted and made herself look like an idiot
What Natalie is saying, fair enough your mums first carer abused her or whatever-but why did the fact that they were black come into it in the first place? Fair enough she said black carer is nice now , aw how sweet, but if the first carer was a blonde what would have been the relevance to say ''she's blonde you know'' This is what made Natalie feel like it was implied that black were aliens.
Jayne clearly stated the reason why she mentioned it was a black carer.

[Amy Jade]

Yes very much so

[Niamh.]

She did over react but I understand why that whole conversation made her feel weird too, so yeah she could have handled it better but I get why she felt uncomfortable


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[Black Dagger]

~thought people might have had an argument for no lmao which is why i made the thread, I'll take a landslide~

[MB.]

Also I think we can retire the phrase "race card" in this context because the conversation was all about race

[Jordan.]

What Natalie is saying, fair enough your mums first carer abused her or whatever-but why did the fact that they were black come into it in the first place? Fair enough she said black carer is nice now , aw how sweet, but if the first carer was a blonde what would have been the relevance to say ''she's blonde you know'' This is what made Natalie feel like it was implied that black were aliens.

Because they were speaking about racism?

[_Tom_]

Absolutely, and I've really gone off her.

[Northern Monkey]

It's all about the cameras.Shout racism and get instant camera time.

[MrWong]

If she'd accepted that there was no offence mean't I'd let her off for the misunderstanding.

But she dug her heels in, determined to take offence and was incredibly ****ing rude about it.

[hot2go]

Defensive and insecure and confrontational ....told Huey didn't like him when first met him before she condescended to give her approval...told Andrew he looked two faced and was a mole and now jumped in head first at Jane without finding out what was being said....making enemies out of her allies...that's dumb at this stage..really dumb ..she ain't gonna last very long unless she changes her attitude

[Mullens123]

As a black person myself I can't comprehend why natalie reacted that way. The only thing that comes to mind is she wants airtime. If white people refused to talk about any black people whilst I was in the room Id be more offended than someone complementing the work of a selfless carer.

[smudgie]

Yes, she did rather.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

We can't really judge because we don't know what kind of racist **** Natalie has got in the past. I think this stemmed from past problems to do with racism that Natalie has not fully addressed. The idea that Natalie is now a vile villain is a tad overreaction though

Yes. But black people are not allowed to think it's touchy. We're suppose to act proper at all times and then maybe, people will try to understand where the touchiness comes from. Otherwise you're just playing the race card. The very people that caused it expect the people that were hurt by it to be in charge of fixing it, but accordingly.

[Ross.]

Yep she did overreact to the situation but I still like her

[Gypsy]

it was a bit of an odd convo to be having tbh but yes she did overreact but it was funny

poor jayne tho

[jaxie]

What Natalie is saying, fair enough your mums first carer abused her or whatever-but why did the fact that they were black come into it in the first place? Fair enough she said black carer is nice now , aw how sweet, but if the first carer was a blonde what would have been the relevance to say ''she's blonde you know'' This is what made Natalie feel like it was implied that black were aliens.

I think what she was trying to say from what I heard was that a carer abused her elderly mother and because the carer was black the place her mother was in put on her mother's file that she had a problem with black people when in fact she didn't, just people who slap her. I think she muffed the explanation a bit and Natalie didn't hear it all and overreacted.

[Babayaro.]

Yes, absolutely. What a horrible woman she is

[puzzled]

It's all about the cameras.Shout racism and get instant camera time.

YES!!!

[Eosvox]

I live in the southern state of Georgia in the U.S., so I know racism pretty well..Nothing that was said in that conversation was either overtly or subliminally racist..

[wendywillow]

she did, I don't think she really understood the context either which is why should went off. but in a way I get it....

[Ammi]

..I find it really difficult to say with these conversations because we don't hear the entirety of them and the context of how racism was being discussed in the first place, for Jayne to say what she did about her mum's carer...I do like Jayne but was there justification to refer to that as well in a conversation with really, what are total strangers..?..I mean, was that a sensitive thing to do either..?..I know that she was obviously talking about something that was a negative experience with her mum, which specifically relates to 'a race experience' in her eyes or in her mum's eyes..when really the main focus of it should have been the cruelty by the carer, not her race etc...although I do realise why it became a race thing, if her mum had been accused of racism...but it was still bringing it up in quite a negative way..which Natalie may have over-reacted to a bit...but in her over-reaction, she was probably drawing from personal life experiences as well...of people saying 'a black person'..rather than just 'a person'...

[BigBrotherfan4ever]

Yes she did over react

[Amy Jade]

..I find it really difficult to say with these conversations because we don't hear the entirety of them and the context of how racism was being discussed in the first place, for Jayne to say what she did about her mum's carer...I do like Jayne but was there justification to refer to that as well in a conversation with really, what are total strangers..?..I mean, was that a sensitive thing to do either..?..I know that she was obviously talking about something that was a negative experience with her mum, which specifically relates to 'a race experience' in her eyes or in her mum's eyes..when really the main focus of it should have been the cruelty by the carer, not her race etc...although I do realise why it became a race thing, if her mum had been accused of racism...but it was still bringing it up in quite a negative way..which Natalie may have over-reacted to a bit...but in her over-reaction, she was probably drawing from personal life experiences as well...of people saying 'a black person'..rather than just 'a person'...
The group were discussing racism. We saw the conversation, Jayne explained that her mother was labeled as racist of sorts because a black carer had abused her. If they had been talking about being a carer and Jayne had randomly come out with it I'd understand why Natalie was upset but it wasn't.

Natalie is very devious I think and she was very calculated in what she did last night.

[Ammi]

The group were discussing racism. We saw the conversation, Jayne explained that her mother was labeled as racist of sorts because a black carer had abused her. If they had been talking about being a carer and Jayne had randomly come out with it I'd understand why Natalie was upset but it wasn't.

Natalie is very devious I think and she was very calculated in what she did last night.

...hmmm, I guess that is (hopefully..)..what will evolve through the show and through time...I have to say that my first instinct was leaning toward 'devious' as well possibly..but I'm not sure now, I think it could also be things that she's been terribly hurt by in the past or offensive things and prejudices felt, etc...and her focus just zooming in on that part of what Jayne said...so causing her reaction to be what it was..?..that would be completely understandable as well...

[hot2go]

I'm not black but I am gay and there's not a snowflake in Hells chance of me reacting and behaving like Natalie did if that conversation had been exactly the same only about gay people ...she's very unintelligent and unessesarily aggressive

[hot2go]

And too stubborn and stupid to admit she was wrong ....get her out

[jet]

...hmmm, I guess that is (hopefully..)..what will evolve through the show and through time...I have to say that my first instinct was leaning toward 'devious' as well possibly..but I'm not sure now, I think it could also be things that she's been terribly hurt by in the past or offensive things and prejudices felt, etc...and her focus just zooming in on that part of what Jayne said...so causing her reaction to be what it was..?..that would be completely understandable as well...

Yeah, I'd agree with this, although I think it is a mixture of those feelings and also milking it for airtime. She was pretty horrible to Jayne when she tried to explain things to her. The woman is nasty and over the top defensive. I can't take to her at all.

[DrunkerThanMoses]

Yes, please get her out for real, she is an embarrassment. She is not even entertaning

[Ammi]

Yeah, I'd agree with this, although I think it is a mixture of those feelings and also milking it for airtime. She was pretty horrible to Jayne when she tried to explain things to her. The woman is nasty and over the top defensive. I can't take to her at all.

..it's quite interesting though, to know more why someone is 'over defensive'..why that part of what Jayne said was the thing that Natalie seemed to hear over everything else about the story..?...and hey, it's always great to see your lovely face in these parts...:love:...

[chuff me dizzy]

She thinks she's Martin Luther Pissing King ,she needed to keep her big mouth shut, Jaynes conversation was nothing to do with her

[jet]

..it's quite interesting though, to know more why someone is 'over defensive'..why that part of what Jayne said was the thing that Natalie seemed to hear over everything else about the story..?...and hey, it's always great to see your lovely face in these parts...:love:...

:love:
Flattery will get you everywhere :blush:

Yes, it would be interesting to know, but fat chance of that with Natalie, she just screeches and yells and it's just white noise (and you prob know by now that I can't stand screechers) :hee: When Jayne apologised and tried to explain the context, that would have been the time for Natalie to explain why she felt defensive and reacted the way she did or at least accept the apology gracefully. Instead Natalie just didn't want to know and insulted Jayne which was pretty lousy of her.
Seems to me she was determined to stay offended at all costs - there is a lot more mileage there...

[hot2go]

She thinks she's Martin Luther Pissing King ,she needed to keep her big mouth shut, Jaynes conversation was nothing to do with her

:joker::joker::joker::joker:

[ebandit]

....i thought she was wrong to complain about others involvement

...when her shouting made it everyone's business...

Mark L

[TomC]

Someone on DS pointed out that people like Natalie actually encourage a form of censorship. People feel they can't say things that actually there's nothing wrong with saying.

Natalie admitted herself she didn't catch the whole conversation.

[Macie Lightfoot]

^ I don't think a thread titled "So we can't mention blacks." at bloody DS is a credible source TBH

My two biggest issues with the forum reaction to this is:
1) How can Natalie be playing the race card when it was literally a conversation about racism
2) Regardless of whether or not Natalie overreacted, I definitely see how someone would be annoyed when a conversation turns from "I hate racism" to "I hate being falsely accused of racism." it's kinda self-serving and Not A Good Look

[Lostie!]

1) How can Natalie be playing the race card when it was literally a conversation about racism

Because there's a big difference between a conversation about racism and being racially offensive, the latter of which Natalie was essentially accusing Jayne of.

[Shaun]

Her attempt at talking it over with Jayne later on showed it up for the stupidity it was; she had no interest in hearing what Jayne had to say, resorted to petty insults and talking over her, and had decided to take on the mantle of "Offended" in the hope it'd earn her a few votes. Suffice to say it'll backfire.

[Jamie89]

^ I don't think a thread titled "So we can't mention blacks." at bloody DS is a credible source TBH

My two biggest issues with the forum reaction to this is:
1) How can Natalie be playing the race card when it was literally a conversation about racism
2) Regardless of whether or not Natalie overreacted, I definitely see how someone would be annoyed when a conversation turns from "I hate racism" to "I hate being falsely accused of racism." it's kinda self-serving and Not A Good Look

I think though, if it's a natural flowing conversation, and not a 'debate' then it's going to veer and not necessarily stick to a specific angle or topic, I mean that's just general conversation. Should they suddenly stop talking once they've all said how much they hate racism? So since those things are linked (the topic of conversation and Jayne's personal experience), it should be perfectly reasonable for a conversation to turn that way without someone being made to feel bad about it. Regardless of Jayne coming from a different angle with her comments, it was still relevant to a general discussion about racism, and so she should feel able to contribute her experiences without being attacked.