Would you go into a gender-neutral bathroom?

[Liberty4eva]

If given a choice between going into a gender-neutral bathroom or waiting a few minutes to try and find a traditional man's or woman's bathroom what would you do?

[Firewire]

Gender neutral isn't an issue. Swimming pools are gender neutral. Yah you have a costume on but it's essentially the same thing.

[Glenn.]

What he said

[Jack_]

I would prefer to go into a gender neutral bathroom all of the time tbh

There's no reason to split toilets up based on sex. They exist for people to piss and sh*t in. Have a load of cubicles, go in, do your business and leave. It'd be safer for everyone if they were mixed.

[user104658]

Gender neutral isn't an issue. Swimming pools are gender neutral. Yah you have a costume on but it's essentially the same thing.
If you do the same things in your local swimming pool as you do in a toilet, I don't think I want to swim there :umm2:.

In answer to the thread... If it was all cubicles then I don't see the issue. However, I don't know if I'd be OK getting the D out at a urinal in a unisex toilet. All of the ladies would be trying to sneak a peek at the goods and I'd get shy :(

[Firewire]

If you do the same things in your local swimming pool as you do in a toilet, I don't think I want to swim there :umm2:.

In answer to the thread... If it was all cubicles then I don't see the issue. However, I don't know if I'd be OK getting the D out at a urinal in a unisex toilet. All of the ladies would be trying to sneak a peek at the goods and I'd get shy :(

Gender-neutral toilets don't have urinals I don't think

As far as I'm aware it's all cubicles

[Marsh.]

trying to sneak a peek at the goods and I'd get shy :(

Me when all the gays are trying to grab me in the TiBB men's toilets.

[user104658]

Semi-related funny story : me and a mate walked into the toilets at a pub once, and a middle aged woman came out of a cubicle, saw us, and started properly screaming... Telling us to get away... Pushed past and ran out. She was freaking out so much that for a second I was like "**** are we in the wrong bathroom??" but then I was like no there are urinals.

I wonder if she thinks to this day that the ladies toilets were invaded by two strapping young men...

[MB.]

Semi-related

:oh:

[Marsh.]

me and a mate

two strapping young men...

http://66.media.tumblr.com/ca9945fb12ba9a8c7656e752bc8e63c0/tumblr_inline_nmqyn0O4DN1s34m90_500.gif

[kirklancaster]

Having patronised 'Gay' clubs for decades in my youth, using a 'Gender Neutral' toilet is nothing new. I would not think twice.

[_Tom_]

Yeah, I have used them and would continue to use them.

I would prefer to go into a gender neutral bathroom all of the time tbh

There's no reason to split toilets up based on sex. They exist for people to piss and sh*t in. Have a load of cubicles, go in, do your business and leave. It'd be safer for everyone if they were mixed.

I don't think you can say that these bathrooms would be safer for everyone if mixed. We're already seeing them being abused by pedophiles and perverts. And there's also dangerous scenarios that are real possibilities, such as say a woman passing out in a bathroom after a night of drinking - a potential for more sexual assault, and certainly more sexual harassment.

[Jack_]

Yeah, I have used them and would continue to use them.



I don't think you can say that these bathrooms would be safer for everyone if mixed. We're already seeing them being abused by pedophiles and perverts. And there's also dangerous scenarios that are real possibilities, such as say a woman passing out in a bathroom after a night of drinking - a potential for more sexual assault, and certainly more sexual harassment.

The more people using one bathroom, the safer it becomes.

The usual argument against it is that men being in the same bathroom as women puts them at risk of being attacked. Well for starters if a man wants to attack a woman in a toilet, he'll just enter the woman's toilet as it is. At least if they were mixed there'd be other men (and women of course) there to restrain them and hopefully put a stop to it happening.

If paedophiles and perverts want to attack people in bathrooms, they will do so regardless of who is allowed in what toilet. They're already considering breaking the law, I don't think a sign saying 'women only' is going to stop them.

There is literally no legitimate reason to separate the two that I can think of and all it does is create unnecessary division. The arguments to merge them universally far outweigh those to maintain the status quo.

[Northern Monkey]

Don't mind really.Where i used to work there was this old man who used to have really smelly ****s so i would just go and use the ladies regularly.
At festivals you used to go in a big wooden box thing over a pit with cubicles and the walls were only neck height so you would sit and **** next to and chat with men or women nobody cared.Many times in nightclubs women would run in and come and look at or in some cases touch your cock.I don't mind tbh.It's just a toilet.

[Ninastar]

Meh I dunno. I wouldnt be very comfortable with the thought of going into a bathroom with men in it. For my own personal reasons really. If I was really, really desperate I'd just run in and go but thats only if I had to.

[Greg!]

I don't get why people would feel unsafe in a gender neutral toilet? If you are uncomfortable with being in the same room as the opposite gender then logically you'd feel unsafe in all sorts of places like work, school, the street etc

[Kizzy]

Public toilets attract creeps at the best of times so no, I don't really like them I have used them but prefer not to.

[Jordan.]

Yes if it was the quickest way but it's not something I'd want to become a norm :sorry:

[Kizzy]

Don't mind really.Where i used to work there was this old man who used to have really smelly ****s so i would just go and use the ladies regularly.
At festivals you used to go in a big wooden box thing over a pit with cubicles and the walls were only neck height so you would sit and **** next to and chat with men or women nobody cared.Many times in nightclubs women would run in and come and look at or in some cases touch your cock.I don't mind tbh.It's just a toilet.

:umm2:

[Daniel-X]

We have them at school and I have no issue going in.

[Crimson Dynamo]

nothing wrong with the present system so no i would not if there was a mens loo around

[Crimson Dynamo]

also men who sit down to pee should be beaten with fork handles

[Shaun]

If I need the toilet I need the toilet. Couldn't give a rat's ass who else is in the next cubicle.

[Northern Monkey]

:umm2:

:laugh:

[Natalie.]

Not really, I'd feel uncomfortable

[T*]

Gender neutral isn't an issue. Swimming pools are gender neutral. Yah you have a costume on but it's essentially the same thing.

:clap1:

[T*]

(ngl i predicted the poll results)

[kirklancaster]

also men who sit down to pee should be beaten with fork handles

Sounds like a 2 Ronnies sketch:

"NAW.... Not FOUR CANDLES - FORK HANDLES.... For LeatherTrumpet to beat men who sit down to pee with." :hee:

[Northern Monkey]

What?No men sit down to pee.That must be some kind of urban myth.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Gender neutral isn't an issue. Swimming pools are gender neutral. Yah you have a costume on but it's essentially the same thing.

it is if you like to pee in the pool

otherwise it is unrelated

[Crimson Dynamo]

What?No men sit down to pee.That must be some kind of urban myth.

i have a feeling marsh does it

[T*]

it is if you like to pee in the pool

otherwise it is unrelated

You seem very anti-men wearing make up, camp, gender neutrality etc.
Why though?

[Ninastar]

I don't get why people would feel unsafe in a gender neutral toilet? If you are uncomfortable with being in the same room as the opposite gender then logically you'd feel unsafe in all sorts of places like work, school, the street etc

Yeah I wonder why rape victims would feel uncomfortable getting their pants down in an area with the gender who raped them

[Crimson Dynamo]

yes I can see it really working at say football matches and in clubs where men are drunk

:umm2:

[T*]

yes I can see it really working at say football matches and in clubs where men are drunk

:umm2:
because every man wants to rape somebody...ah
okay

[Jack_]

Yeah I wonder why rape victims would feel uncomfortable getting their pants down in an area with the gender who raped them

But they were most likely raped by someone who entered a toilet they weren't allowed in

A sign above the door doesn't change anything. If someone is planning on attacking someone, they will just do it. At least if the toilets were mixed then it'd usually be likely more people were around which in turn makes it safer

[Cal.]

I wasn't aware wanting to use a public toilet and being a man automatically made you a rapist,

[T*]

IIRC aren't most gender neutral bathrooms just one toilet and sink, a la Disabled Toilets but without the disabled stuff?

[Greg!]

Yeah I wonder why rape victims would feel uncomfortable getting their pants down in an area with the gender who raped them

So men who have been raped by men should go into women's bathrooms? Of course not. It would be easier just to have bathroom for everyone.

[Jack_]

I wasn't aware wanting to use a public toilet and being a man automatically made you a rapist,

Yep! And men must stand there and 'take it like a man' if they're being assaulted by a member of the poor, vulnerable and weak female species

Welcome to the world of LeatherTrumpet

[Crimson Dynamo]

because every man wants to rape somebody...ah
okay

what are you on about, I am referring to the OP not the rapist comment

[Crimson Dynamo]

Yep! And men must stand there and 'take it like a man' if they're being assaulted by a member of the poor, vulnerable and weak female species

Welcome to the world of LeatherTrumpet

that was Ninas comment not mine

and why dont you just walk away unless you actually want to hit a woman Jack?

[Ninastar]

But they were most likely raped by someone who entered a toilet they weren't allowed in

A sign above the door doesn't change anything. If someone is planning on attacking someone, they will just do it. At least if the toilets were mixed then it'd usually be likely more people were around which in turn makes it safer

Yeah, anyone can get attacked anywhere, that's not the point. I'm pretty sure a person who has been raped by a male or a female, isnt going to feel comfortable going to the toilets with that gender in there too. I'm pretty sure they aren't going to think 'ah well its okay cause i can get raped anywhere, anyway', they're going to do anything they can to try and avoid contact with that gender, and gender neutral toilets are the last place they'd want to go.

LT makes a good point about drunk men at football games and the likes. I'd hate the thought of having to share a bathroom with drunk men. I might be labelled sexist, but I don't care. People shouldnt have to explain why they would feel uncomfortable with it. It doesnt make them sexist or transphobic. Some people will just never be comfortable with it and we should hate on them for it. :shrug:

[T*]

and why dont you just walk away unless you actually want to hit a woman Jack?

:facepalm:
****ing hell

yes jack, just walk away from the woman who is threatening you with a knife/gun/etc.
You wouldn't want to hit a delicate flower now would you?

[Jack_]

that was Ninas comment not mine

and why dont you just walk away unless you actually want to hit a woman Jack?

And if a woman or several women are restraining you on the floor, kicking and punching you? How do you just 'walk away' then? If you hit someone, expect them to retaliate. Trying to make out women who are capable of punching others are this weak and vulnerable species which must be protected at all costs is patronising and condescending as ****

[Ninastar]

So men who have been raped by men should go into women's bathrooms? Of course not. It would be easier just to have bathroom for everyone.

No... obviously not. But I wouldn't expect you to understand anyway

[Ninastar]

I wasn't aware wanting to use a public toilet and being a man automatically made you a rapist,

Literally no one is saying that. :joker:

[Crimson Dynamo]

:facepalm:
****ing hell

yes jack, just walk away from the woman who is threatening you with a knife/gun/etc.
You wouldn't want to hit a delicate flower now would you?

a knife and a gun

what on earth are you on about?

Are you now telling Jack to try and take on a woman with a deadly weapon so he can feel that he is not sexist?

:laugh2:

[T*]

Yeah, anyone can get attacked anywhere, that's not the point. I'm pretty sure a person who has been raped by a male or a female, isnt going to feel comfortable going to the toilets with that gender in there too. I'm pretty sure they aren't going to think 'ah well its okay cause i can get raped anywhere, anyway', they're going to do anything they can to try and avoid contact with that gender, and gender neutral toilets are the last place they'd want to go.

LT makes a good point about drunk men at football games and the likes. I'd hate the thought of having to share a bathroom with drunk men. I might be labelled sexist, but I don't care. People shouldnt have to explain why they would feel uncomfortable with it. It doesnt make them sexist or transphobic. Some people will just never be comfortable with it and we should hate on them for it. :shrug:

This surely means that no-one is going to be happy though?
Raped woman feel uncomfortable around men in bathrooms
Transgender people feel uuncomfortable having to choose between the two in case the reaction is bad in both cases
it's a lose lose
Surely if it was for the greater good of anyone that could be effected then it would just result in confusion

[Crimson Dynamo]

And if a woman or several women are restraining you on the floor, kicking and punching you? How do you just 'walk away' then? If you hit someone, expect them to retaliate. Trying to make out women who are capable of punching others are this weak and vulnerable species which must be protected at all costs is patronising and condescending as ****

yes and if one has a thermo nuclear device or a cyborg arm with a death lazer that could be tricky too


:facepalm:

[Ninastar]

I'm sorry but how many of you are actually female? You have no place to say whether a female should feel comfortable going to the toilet with men about. Christ, no one is bloody saying that all men are rapists. The whole point is whether you'd feel comfortable or not. People can't help it if they aren't happy with it. It's absolutely ridiculous and downright condescending to tell people they should just share toilets because 'nothing is going to happen.'

[T*]

a knife and a gun

what on earth are you on about?

Are you now telling Jack to try and take on a woman with a deadly weapon so he can feel that he is not sexist?

:laugh2:

No, it's how stupid YOU were being.
You literally said to Jack if a woman was assaulting him to just walk away rather than defend himself as the attacker is a woman

That is plain ludicrous.

[Ninastar]

This surely means that no-one is going to be happy though?
Raped woman feel uncomfortable around men in bathrooms
Transgender people feel uuncomfortable having to choose between the two in case the reaction is bad in both cases
it's a lose lose
Surely if it was for the greater good of anyone that could be effected then it would just result in confusion

No one is ever going to be happy with anything. That's life.

I don't agree with having only gender neutral bathrooms so that people have a choice. I think that's just wrong. In a perfect world we could have all three, but I don't see that ever happening.

[Cal.]

Oh so now females are the only people who are allowed opinions on gender neutral toilets

[Northern Monkey]

I don't see anything wrong with gender neutral toilets but one issue could arise.
I assume there would be no urinals?So what about drunk men who pee on the seat?Women won't like that.Unless there's a section with a small wall in there with urinals.So really a non neutral mens section.
Also what about used tampons on the floor?Men won't like that.Not massive issues but people won't like them too much.

[Crimson Dynamo]

No, it's how stupid YOU were being.
You literally said to Jack if a woman was assaulting him to just walk away rather than defend himself as the attacker is a woman

That is plain ludicrous.

That is correct, walk away and avoid the conflict. DO not hit her, avoid her.

The situation is ridiculous as its never ever likely to happen unless you are knocking about with feral women or hanging about citu centres past midnight looking for trouble so its not an issue you need worry about

[Greg!]

This surely means that no-one is going to be happy though?
Raped woman feel uncomfortable around men in bathrooms
Transgender people feel uuncomfortable having to choose between the two in case the reaction is bad in both cases
it's a lose lose


:clap1:

Gender neutral bathrooms would solve a lot of problems but sadly you can't keep every single person happy all of the time

[Crimson Dynamo]

:clap1:

Gender neutral bathrooms would solve a lot of problems but sadly you can't keep every single person happy all of the time

what problems would they solve?

[T*]

No one is ever going to be happy with anything. That's life.

I don't agree with having only gender neutral bathrooms so that people have a choice. I think that's just wrong. In a perfect world we could have all three, but I don't see that ever happening.
Exactly my point
I think that public places should cater to gender neutral though, it'd be easier making them single-person bathrooms though
Oh so now females are the only people who are allowed opinions on gender neutral toilets

I don't think that's what she meant...

[Ninastar]

Oh so now females are the only people who are allowed opinions on gender neutral toilets

christ almighty its like talking to a brick wall :joker::joker:

[T*]

what problems would they solve?

From wikipedia
Gender-neutral bathrooms benefit transgender populations and other people who exist outside of the gender binary; people with disabilities, the elderly, and anyone else who may require the assistance of someone of another gender; and parents who may wish to accompany their children to the washroom or toilet facility.[5][6][7]

[Crimson Dynamo]

christ almighty its like talking to a brick wall :joker::joker:

and in the old days at football matches thats all you got for a toilet

[Jack_]

Yeah, anyone can get attacked anywhere, that's not the point. I'm pretty sure a person who has been raped by a male or a female, isnt going to feel comfortable going to the toilets with that gender in there too. I'm pretty sure they aren't going to think 'ah well its okay cause i can get raped anywhere, anyway', they're going to do anything they can to try and avoid contact with that gender, and gender neutral toilets are the last place they'd want to go.

LT makes a good point about drunk men at football games and the likes. I'd hate the thought of having to share a bathroom with drunk men. I might be labelled sexist, but I don't care. People shouldnt have to explain why they would feel uncomfortable with it. It doesnt make them sexist or transphobic. Some people will just never be comfortable with it and we should hate on them for it. :shrug:

So then like Greg said, what are men who've been raped by other men supposed to do? Or women raped by women? Must they use the toilet assigned to their gender and we'll just forget about the fact they were raped because oh well they're the minority? I'm pretty sure a rape victim will definitely be thinking they can be raped anywhere actually, I'm pretty sure it would be playing on their mind for most of their life, toilet, alleyway, park, road, house, wherever. Do we start segregating the sexes in all of these places too? And again what about those who were raped by a member of the same sex? How do you resolve that problem?

You would be sharing a bathroom with drunk men and women, you wouldn't be the only woman alone. Men aren't all predatory rapists or thugs waiting to attack you, and if you were in a bathroom with multiple men and multiple women the chances of anything happening to anyone fall dramatically.

You are jumping to conclusions in saying anyone's been labelled sexist or transphobic, until someone makes any comments of that ilk they won't be. The only reason people feel uncomfortable with it is because they've been brought up using the divided system and the concept of sharing bathrooms is an alien one, that's all. It doesn't mean it's a terrible idea, just that you're not used to it. But the pros of mixing bathrooms universally far outweigh the 'well I don't want to have a piss with a bunch of dirty men!' argument.

[Crimson Dynamo]

From wikipedia

so in other words no one as they are all crapola reasons and certainly would never pass a planning permission

[Greg!]

what problems would they solve?

-The joke of gender segregation in 2016
-Transgender people would not have to make the choice of which bathroom to use
-Allows young kids to be looked after by their parents in the toilet without their parent feeling uncomfortable being in a toilet for another gender

To name a few

[Greg!]

So then like Greg said, what are men who've been raped by other men supposed to do? Or women raped by women? Must they use the toilet assigned to their gender and we'll just forget about the fact they were raped because oh well they're the minority? I'm pretty sure a rape victim will definitely be thinking they can be raped anywhere actually, I'm pretty sure it would be playing on their mind for most of their life, toilet, alleyway, park, road, house, wherever. Do we start segregating the sexes in all of these places too? And again what about those who were raped by a member of the same sex? How do you resolve that problem?

You would be sharing a bathroom with drunk men and women, you wouldn't be the only woman alone. Men aren't all predatory rapists or thugs waiting to attack you, and if you were in a bathroom with multiple men and multiple women the chances of anything happening to anyone fall dramatically.

You are jumping to conclusions in saying anyone's been labelled sexist or transphobic, until someone makes any comments of that ilk they won't be. The only reason people feel uncomfortable with it is because they've been brought up using the divided system and the concept of sharing bathrooms is an alien one, that's all. It doesn't mean it's a terrible idea, just that you're not used to it. But the pros of mixing bathrooms universally far outweigh the 'well I don't want to have a piss with a bunch of dirty men!' argument.

You've expressed my opinion perfectly :clap1:

[Jack_]

-The joke of gender segregation in 2016
-Transgender people would not have to make the choice of which bathroom to use
-Allows young kids to be looked after by their parents in the toilet without their parent feeling uncomfortable being in a toilet for another gender

To name a few

- Increases the likelihood of more people being around, in turn bringing the likelihood of someone (male or female) being attacked down

- There's literally no logical reason to separate bathrooms based on gender, it's pointlessly divisive. They exist to go to the ****ing toilet in, scrap urinals and just have cubical and who gives a **** who's using the one next to you?

[Ninastar]

So then like Greg said, what are men who've been raped by other men supposed to do? Or women raped by women? Must they use the toilet assigned to their gender and we'll just forget about the fact they were raped because oh well they're the minority? I'm pretty sure a rape victim will definitely be thinking they can be raped anywhere actually, I'm pretty sure it would be playing on their mind for most of their life, toilet, alleyway, park, road, house, wherever. Do we start segregating the sexes in all of these places too? And again what about those who were raped by a member of the same sex? How do you resolve that problem?

You would be sharing a bathroom with drunk men and women, you wouldn't be the only woman alone. Men aren't all predatory rapists or thugs waiting to attack you, and if you were in a bathroom with multiple men and multiple women the chances of anything happening to anyone fall dramatically.

You are jumping to conclusions in saying anyone's been labelled sexist or transphobic, until someone makes any comments of that ilk they won't be. The only reason people feel uncomfortable with it is because they've been brought up using the divided system and the concept of sharing bathrooms is an alien one, that's all. It doesn't mean it's a terrible idea, just that you're not used to it. But the pros of mixing bathrooms universally far outweigh the 'well I don't want to have a piss with a bunch of dirty men!' argument.

You cant cater to everyone. There's always going to be a majority, and sadly the majority of people that rape are men, And the majority of people that are raped are women. It's not that hard to realise that women are more likely to be raped by men. I just imagine that this will be a lot more likely if drunk men and women are sharing the same bathrooms.

In a happy world, there should be male/female and gender neutral toilets. I just have the opinion that its wrong to have only gender neutral toilets and nothing is going to change that.

[Tom4784]

Doesn't bother me in the slightest.

[Jack_]

You cant cater to everyone. There's always going to be a majority, and sadly the majority of people that rape are men, And the majority of people that are raped are women. It's not that hard to realise that women are more likely to be raped by men. I just imagine that this will be a lot more likely if drunk men and women are sharing the same bathrooms.

In a happy world, there should be male/female and gender neutral toilets. I just have the opinion that its wrong to have only gender neutral toilets and nothing is going to change that.

How would it be more likely? As it is, if a man wants to rape a woman, he can enter a females only bathroom and attack one with absolutely no other man (in the eyes of LT I'm sure because women wouldn't be strong enough) around to stop him. If you merge the bathrooms, there will be more men and more women in them almost all of the time, therefore making it harder for any man or woman to attack any other man or woman.

I wouldn't be opposed to having the option of the three but it's not available in most places and really, it still doesn't solve all of the other problems that have been listed in this thread either

[Drew.]

This seems like such a pointless debate over something that doesn't need fixing. I've been to plenty of events where people drink a lot/theres groups of men just out to cause trouble to know that them being given the chance to roam free around a place where a woman needs privacy is a recipe for disaster. It's easy to say "you wouldn't be alone" but that doesn't matter, even in a group women are sill vulnerable. Anyway like i said this discussion just seems pointless, theres no need for gender neutral toilets and more harm than good would come from them anyway

[Ninastar]

How would it be more likely? As it is, if a man wants to rape a woman, he can enter a females only bathroom and attack one with absolutely no other man (in the eyes of LT I'm sure because women wouldn't be strong enough) around to stop him. If you merge the bathrooms, there will be more men and more women in them almost all of the time, therefore making it harder for any man or woman to attack any other man or woman.

I wouldn't be opposed to having the option of the three but it's not available in most places and really, it still doesn't solve all of the other problems that have been listed in this thread either

I'm sorry, I'm not debating this any further. There's no point. Lets just agree to disagree.

[MTVN]

How would it be more likely? As it is, if a man wants to rape a woman, he can enter a females only bathroom and attack one with absolutely no other man (in the eyes of LT I'm sure because women wouldn't be strong enough) around to stop him. If you merge the bathrooms, there will be more men and more women in them almost all of the time, therefore making it harder for any man or woman to attack any other man or woman.

I wouldn't be opposed to having the option of the three but it's not available in most places and really, it still doesn't solve all of the other problems that have been listed in this thread either

For those hell bent on carrying out rape maybe. But a lot of rapists are very opportunistic and don't meticulously plan out their attack. I don't think its ridiculous to say that someone who otherwise wouldn't carry out an attack might end up doing so because they see an opportunity.

[Ninastar]

For those hell bent on carrying out rape maybe. But a lot of rapists are very opportunistic and don't meticulously plan out their attack. I don't think its ridiculous to say that someone who otherwise wouldn't carry out an attack might end up doing so because they see an opportunity.

Exactly. Thank you.

[MTVN]

Also having urinals taken out of toilets would be a terrible thing, us men don't want to spend ages in queues like women have to :nono:

[Cherie]

I don't see anything wrong with gender neutral toilets but one issue could arise..


:omgno:

[Marsh.]

i have a feeling marsh does it

Only in the middle of the night when I'm tired. :fist:

[Cherie]

I don't see anything wrong with gender neutral toilets but one issue could arise.
I assume there would be no urinals?So what about drunk men who pee on the seat?Women won't like that.Unless there's a section with a small wall in there with urinals.So really a non neutral mens section.
Also what about used tampons on the floor?Men won't like that.Not massive issues but people won't like them too much.


Tampons on the floor, you can flush them you know :fist:

[T*]

Tampons on the floor, you can flush them you know :fist:



you can flush ya gush?!!

[Marsh.]

you can flush ya gush?!!

D:

[Cherie]

you can flush ya gush?!!

Monkey is worried about tampons on the floor, I was reassuring him they can be flushed so it's unlikely he will encounter many :hee:

[Jack_]

This seems like such a pointless debate over something that doesn't need fixing. I've been to plenty of events where people drink a lot/theres groups of men just out to cause trouble to know that them being given the chance to roam free around a place where a woman needs privacy is a recipe for disaster. It's easy to say "you wouldn't be alone" but that doesn't matter, even in a group women are sill vulnerable. Anyway like i said this discussion just seems pointless, theres no need for gender neutral toilets and more harm than good would come from them anyway

Do you have any stats for that because most of the research that's been done around this says there's no increased threat from them whatsoever?

There's plenty of need for gender neutral toilets and I'd put money on them being the norm in the West in fifty years time

For those hell bent on carrying out rape maybe. But a lot of rapists are very opportunistic and don't meticulously plan out their attack. I don't think its ridiculous to say that someone who otherwise wouldn't carry out an attack might end up doing so because they see an opportunity.

Yeah and that opportunity would be 'oh look, that woman just entered the bathroom on her own, how about I follow her?'

With more people in there, the less likely it becomes feasible

[Northern Monkey]

Tampons on the floor, you can flush them you know :fist:

I aint picking up no strangers used jamrags:yuk:

[Samm]

Yes I would, but I don't think they should become the norm, I'm all here for the transgendre movement and if they identify as female or male they should use whatever bathroom they want

but allowing a gender-neural bathroom is worrying for me since I wouldn't want any of my female friends or mum for example to use them because men would be lurking around and there's a lot of creeps out there.

[DemolitionRed]

I don't like going into a room with urinals because they smell awful but when you have to go, you have to go.

In France nobody worries about guys using the ladies or ladies using the mens.

[AnnieK]

I personally would use them...in Manchester there are a few bars and clubs that already have them. With regards to issues of rape etc I would worry more that there could be more false accusations of assaults which will prove harder to disprove if all genders are using the same bathroom than of more attacks happening

[Jack_]

Yes I would, but I don't think they should become the norm, I'm all here for the transgendre movement and if they identify as female or male they should use whatever bathroom they want

but allowing a gender-neural bathroom is worrying for me since I wouldn't want any of my female friends or mum for example to use them because men would be lurking around and there's a lot of creeps out there.

If men want to lurk around women in bathrooms, they'll do it with the split ones we have already since it's easier to act alone and not be caught. A sign above a door doesn't stop anyone from creeping about

tbh even I as a man would feel safer using a gender neutral bathroom than a men's only one

[Drew.]

Do you have any stats for that because most of the research that's been done around this says there's no increased threat from them whatsoever?


No, i dont have any stats on public toilets..

It's just my opinion.

[DemolitionRed]

There are many instances where little girls have to go into the men's room because they are out with daddy and are too young to go to the loo on their own. I think a father would feel more comfortable taking his daughter into a gender neutral toilet.

When my sons were old enough to go to the loo on their own, I always felt a little nervous about them using a male toilet of which I had no access to.

[Greg!]

ok lets just have segregated classrooms, restaurants, swimming pools, parks, and shops because some people feel uncomfortable being close to a certain gender :umm2:

You're no more likely to be attacked in a toilet than anywhere else

[Jack_]

ok lets just have segregated classrooms, restaurants, swimming pools, parks, and shops because some people feel uncomfortable being close to a certain gender :umm2:

You're no more likely to be attacked in a toilet than anywhere else

Exactly, and most rapes happen at the hands of people the victim knows anyway

This thread is akin to the foaming Republicans screaming about trans people using the bathroom that matches up with the gender they identify with, making up unfounded claims about harassment and increased violence. It's all nonsense

[Black Dagger]

If I need a piss I need a piss, if a woman is applying make-up in there or doing ladies things idk what you lot do in public restrooms but television seems to imply you hang around in there then I'm going to go regardless, they'll be cubicles anyway, not like I'm going to see your minge or you're going to see my love length.

[MTVN]

Well on the same note we could say lets just have gender neutral changing rooms because some people are comfortable with it :shrug: Imagine if the swimming pool or a gym suddenly said that they were scrapping separate male/female changing rooms. Some progressives might be unbothered but I think the majority would find it all a bit weird

[JoshBB]

Just have a gender-neutral alternative while keeping traditional male/female toilets. Sorted! As long as it's all cubicles, there literally would be no problem because what anyone does in the cubicle next to you is none of your business

[Greg!]

Well on the same note we could say lets just have gender neutral changing rooms because some people are comfortable with it :shrug: Imagine if the swimming pool or a gym suddenly said that they were scrapping separate male/female changing rooms. Some progressives might be unbothered but I think the majority would find it all a bit weird

As long as the changing rooms had cubicles for privacy I wouldn't have a problem with that either. No one should be looking at anyone getting changed anyway

[Firewire]

One thing I don't get is gendered changing rooms in shops. I got ushered out of the female one because I was waiting on my 10 year old sister. there's a number of cubicles. I'm not there to spy a bit of vag.

[Jack_]

As long as the changing rooms had cubicles for privacy I wouldn't have a problem with that either. No one should be looking at anyone getting changed anyway

I agree, gym and some swimming pool changing rooms that are just one big room are ****ing disgusting and I try to avoid them like the plague

I come to swim, not see some 70 year old man's droopy cock flapping around in my eyeline while he towel dries his crusty arse

Changing rooms and toilets with cubicles only are the way forward

[AnnieK]

Well on the same note we could say lets just have gender neutral changing rooms because some people are comfortable with it :shrug: Imagine if the swimming pool or a gym suddenly said that they were scrapping separate male/female changing rooms. Some progressives might be unbothered but I think the majority would find it all a bit weird

My local swimming pool has combined changing rooms...with cubicles obviously no one seems to have an issue with it

[Greg!]

I come to swim, not see some 70 year old man's droopy cock flapping around in my eyeline while he towel dries his crusty arse


Lmao yes changing rooms with no cubicles are vile

[Firewire]

Same here, every swimming pool I have been to has one big room with cubicles and isn't gendered. No reports of any rapes there. I saw a couple shagging once though.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Just have a gender-neutral alternative while keeping traditional male/female toilets. Sorted! As long as it's all cubicles, there literally would be no problem because what anyone does in the cubicle next to you is none of your business

yes I am sure that would work when people are building things for profit

:joker:


I can see the planning meeting now...

[MTVN]

RIP locker room banter

[Crimson Dynamo]

RIP locker room banter

exactly

it would be all about Oil of Ulay and getting that London look


:yuk:

[Ninastar]

Same here, every swimming pool I have been to has one big room with cubicles and isn't gendered. No reports of any rapes there. I saw a couple shagging once though.

There's been a few assaults at mine, including someone taking pictures of women from over the top of the cubicles.

[Crimson Dynamo]

There's been a few assaults at mine, including someone taking pictures of women from over the top of the cubicles.

Toy Soldier

:facepalm:

[Jack_]

This is the best argument against the existence of communal changing rooms you'll ever see

x2mj9vm

Every word of it the gospel truth :laugh3:

[MTVN]

I've never known anything but communal changing rooms at gyms

But, then again, I don't go to the gym

[Firewire]

I felt uncomfortable in communal changing rooms at school, I would've preferred changing with the girls.

But then in saying that, I would probably feel more comfortable doing the toilet around men than I would women.

Is that weird?

[Greg!]

Omg I used to HATE going in the male communal changing room at school as well. I would have felt a lot more comfortable in a gender neutral one with cubicles

[Marsh.]

Ugh, changing for swimming when going with school and all the old men wouldn't even try to hide their wrinkly scrotums in front of all the children. :worry:

[Vicky.]

Having worked in customer service most of my life, I know the blokes toilets always ****ing reek. Also you find the most disgusting things in there (poos in the urinals, condoms behind the toilet etc) which I haven't found in the womens. As such I would prefer women only

[Shaun]

exactly

it would be all about Oil of Ulay and getting that London look


:yuk:

You've already got that London look, LT, it's just a shame that it's south Croydon in particular

[Niamh.]

Girls bathrooms are just cubicles anyway so it makes no difference


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[Liberty4eva]

Monkey is worried about tampons on the floor, I was reassuring him they can be flushed so it's unlikely he will encounter many :hee:

I grew up with two sisters and I learned this by one day walking into the toilet with a tampon in it that one of them had forgot to flush. It was disgusting. :yuk:

[VanessaFeltz.]

I hate public bathrooms all together so not voting

[Liberty4eva]

I don't think anyone has mentioned this yet but men and women have different cultures when it comes to bathrooms. I perceive women bathrooms as more "talky" and cleaner. And they do their makeup in the bathroom which men obviously don't do. If men entered the equation I think all of that would change. Some women have said they would be uncomfortable around men in the bathroom and this actually would make me uncomfortable around them. Being a big guy I don't like the idea of them thinking I might be a potential rapist.

In every country around the world men and women have different bathrooms. When you try to destroy something we have had for so long you are playing with fire.

[Mystic Mock]

I ain't holding it in for nobody.:joker:

[Daniel-X]

The answer to the problem of rape may occurring is to have everywhere open except the cubicles.

At my school we have gender neutral everywhere. However, the sink area/mirrors/dryers are all outside where everyone can see and there's cameras outside too so school know that nobodies up to funny business. However, obviously, the cubicles are cut off and there's a boys side and a girls side so the school can keep an eye out for no genders swapping sides either.

It's a really simple method to make sure that woman do not have to feel unsafe when using these bathrooms.

[Mitchell]

also men who sit down to pee should be beaten with fork handles

Erm how am I supposed to play Yahtzee standing up? #LogicBlown

[user104658]

The answer to the problem of rape may occurring is to have everywhere open except the cubicles.

At my school we have gender neutral everywhere. However, the sink area/mirrors/dryers are all outside where everyone can see and there's cameras outside too so school know that nobodies up to funny business. However, obviously, the cubicles are cut off and there's a boys side and a girls side so the school can keep an eye out for no genders swapping sides either.

It's a really simple method to make sure that woman do not have to feel unsafe when using these bathrooms.
But then you're straight back to the problem of people who have a different gender identity / who are struggling with their gender identity having to "pick a side", which sort of makes the entire concept of gender neutral toilets pointless.

I mean I've been in a few nightclubs where the mirrors / sink areas are communal with doors leading off to the actual mens / ladies toilets, but I think they're basically set up like that to provide additional social space for people to interact away from the music / dance floor / bar.

[Northern Monkey]

Just have a gender neutral room with another section kind of walled off abit with the urinals.Don't see a problem with that tbh.

[jaxie]

You live with a gender neutral bathroom at home. :shrug:
Though I'm not sure the best view is a row of blokes at a urinal.

[DemolitionRed]

I knew Ted would have something on this!

XAcARiiK5uY

[the truth]

yes. many times ive used a male toilet and drunken women have burst in to use the facilities.

[Livia]

I've been into plenty of gender-neutral toilets, I don't see what the big deal is.

[the truth]

I've been into plenty of gender-neutral toilets, I don't see what the big deal is.
are there standing up cubicles?

isnt there a danger of a man or transgender who has a penis of being in a cubicle with his penis on display? wouldnt that offend women?

[Niamh.]

are there standing up cubicles?

isnt there a danger of a man or transgender who has a penis of being in a cubicle with his penis on display? wouldnt that offend women?

I'd imagine unisex toilets would be all cubicles?

[Marsh.]

are there standing up cubicles?

isnt there a danger of a man or transgender who has a penis of being in a cubicle with his penis on display? wouldnt that offend women?

There are no urinals. It's all private cubicles.

[AnnieK]

are there standing up cubicles?

isnt there a danger of a man or transgender who has a penis of being in a cubicle with his penis on display? wouldnt that offend women?

If he was in a cubicle and his penis was on display. ...who would see it? It's a cubicle not a urinal. Nit quite sure what your point is here

[the truth]

Sorry I meant urinals. If none of them the toilet space would need to be much bigger with more cubicles for all genders. Could work on though

[the truth]

I'm fact it would be interesting place for social interaction though some may get jiggy in there

[Crimson Dynamo]

There are no urinals. It's all private cubicles.

If women would just learn to use urinals then toilets could be smaller an easier to clean

Typical female laziness :nono:

[the truth]

If women would just learn to use urinals then toilets could be smaller an easier to clean

Typical female laziness :nono:

lol theyre more than capable

[Marsh.]

If women would just learn to use urinals then toilets could be smaller an easier to clean

Typical female laziness :nono:

Surely they can just sit in them? :hee:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Surely they can just sit in them? :hee:

or just hold it in till they get home. If they can fit a 10 pound baby up their vag they can hold onto a piss till they get around ASDA

:idc:

[Marsh.]

or just hold it in till they get home. If they can fit a 10 pound baby up their vag they can hold onto a piss till they get around ASDA

:idc:

:laugh2: