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Jake.
11-06-2016, 09:56 PM
he is the epitome of someone raised with rich parents and tons of money... thinks he can speak to everyone how he wants to, doesn't show any real responsibility and thinks he is untouchable

Niamh.
11-06-2016, 09:58 PM
Worst type of person


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Josy
11-06-2016, 09:59 PM
How dare you, he got free dental crowns, do you know why? Cos he's Marco Pierre White Jr!

But yeah he's a dick

Ross.
11-06-2016, 10:01 PM
Awful person

Amy Jade
11-06-2016, 10:01 PM
His dad should be ashamed

MrWong
11-06-2016, 10:04 PM
"I'M MARCO PIERRE WHITE jnr"

When he was asked how come he got something for free. Utter wanker.

Braden
11-06-2016, 10:06 PM
Definitely! I said either last night or the night before that he has been brought up in a way that he thinks he can do whatever he wants and treat people how he likes. He thinks he's invincible but I'm glad he's just making an embarrassment out of himself.

esoteric
11-06-2016, 10:14 PM
The namesake son turns out to be the twat

womp womp

http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2015/feb/20/marco-pierre-white-my-family-values

Poor Man

"I’m forever creating – I build butterfly meadows for my sons, I build orchards for my daughter. I build dry stonewalls. Create collages. I build avenues of trees so when I’m dead and gone my daughter can walk down that avenue with her children.'

I think you gave them too much meadows..

Headie
11-06-2016, 10:57 PM
It's ok he's got a free pass

Kizzy
11-06-2016, 11:02 PM
Didn't his mum beat him up or something( as an adult)? I don't advocate smacking but I can see why she might have resorted to that kind of... :/

nonstop
11-06-2016, 11:05 PM
He's so annoying. Go home.

Braden
11-06-2016, 11:07 PM
Didn't his mum beat him up or something( as an adult)? I don't advocate smacking but I can see why she might have resorted to that kind of... :/

Yeah, think my mum told me that she was arrested and ended up getting a fine from it, or something similar?

Tom4784
11-06-2016, 11:08 PM
He's a self entitled little prick with anger issues. Completely charmless with no redeeming qualities.

Jack_
11-06-2016, 11:13 PM
Really hope someone follows up his 'I'll smack one of your security team' threat, not cool

Kizzy
11-06-2016, 11:20 PM
Really hope someone follows up his 'I'll smack one of your security team' threat, not cool

His mother taught him if someone disobeys you hit them, this is learned behaviour he is effectively an abused child with issues now.
First peice of dating advice I gave my daughter look at how the guy treats his mother, too affectionate = run a mile, he dislikes her intensely = run a mile.

Tom4784
11-06-2016, 11:20 PM
Really hope someone follows up his 'I'll smack one of your security team' threat, not cool

Yeah, I hated that.

'Give me my dummy or I'll attack the people that are just doing their jobs.'

Vanessa
11-06-2016, 11:21 PM
His mother taught him if someone disobeys you hit them, this is learned behaviour he is effectively an abused child with issues now.
First peice of dating advice I gave my daughter look at how the guy treats his mother, too affectionate = run a mile, he dislikes her intensely = run a mile.

His mother is vile. There's no excuse for attacking your kids :mad:

Tom4784
11-06-2016, 11:23 PM
His mother is vile. There's no excuse for attacking your kids :mad:

So you're just ignoring the fact that he threatened security with violence and generally showed off the fact that he is a spoilt **** through and through?

Jake.
11-06-2016, 11:23 PM
His mother is vile. There's no excuse for attacking your kids :mad:

What about threatening to "smack" members of the security team, is there an excuse for that?

Vanessa
11-06-2016, 11:24 PM
What about threatening to "smack" members of the security team, is there an excuse for that?

If he's like that it's because of the way he was raised.

Headie
11-06-2016, 11:24 PM
So you're just ignoring the fact that he threatened security with violence and generally showed off the fact that he is a spoilt **** through and through?

What about threatening to "smack" members of the security team, is there an excuse for that?

It's ok bcos Marco's fit innit!!!

Jake.
11-06-2016, 11:27 PM
It's ok bcos Marco's fit innit!!!

lol

Drew.
11-06-2016, 11:28 PM
If he's like that it's because of the way he was raised.

Oh Ness

Tom4784
11-06-2016, 11:28 PM
If he's like that it's because of the way he was raised.

That's a piss poor excuse Vanessa and you know it.

Plenty of people have bad upbringings and they aren't twats, his upbringing is not an excuse for his behavior and you wouldn't be defending him if he wasn't your favourite.

It actually bothers me that you said that, not everybody who has a bad upbringing becomes a spoilt violent brat.

ThriceShy
11-06-2016, 11:29 PM
Jealousy is a one of the worst emotions.

Amy Jade
11-06-2016, 11:29 PM
If he's like that it's because of the way he was raised.

Maybe his mum was smacked around, so that's ok now she's excused...right?

Jake.
11-06-2016, 11:30 PM
Jealousy is a one of the worst emotions.

couldn't be less jelous if I tried, but carry on discussing forum members as per usual

Amy Jade
11-06-2016, 11:30 PM
Jealousy is a one of the worst emotions.

Who are you insinuating is jealous of Marco?

Braden
11-06-2016, 11:31 PM
If he's like that it's because of the way he was raised.

Vanessa, there are many people who have been abused but would never threaten violence because they know more than anyone how awful it is to go through it.

What his mother did was terrible but it really isn't an excuse for his behaviour.

ThriceShy
11-06-2016, 11:36 PM
couldn't be less jelous if I tried, but carry on discussing forum members as per usual

I didn't mention forum members but if the cap is fitting....

Vanessa
11-06-2016, 11:38 PM
Vanessa, there are many people who have been abused but would never threaten violence because they know more than anyone how awful it is to go through it.

What his mother did was terrible but it really isn't an excuse for his behaviour.

I'm not saying it's an excuse. I'm just saying it's the reason he is the way he is. He clearly has issues.

Braden
11-06-2016, 11:42 PM
I'm not saying it's an excuse. I'm just saying it's the reason he is the way he is. He clearly has issues.

I understand. I know you like him, but I just feel we're all responsible for own actions/decisions and he hasn't been very respectful with some of the stuff he's said. I think people have more of a problem with his upbringing in regard to how spoilt he has been, which has lead to him acting like he can do and say whatever he wants (violence aside).

Vanessa
11-06-2016, 11:43 PM
I understand. I know you like him, but I just feel we're all responsible for own actions/decisions and he hasn't been very respectful with some of the stuff he's said. I think people have more of a problem with his upbringing in regard to how spoilt he has been, which has lead to him acting like he can do and say whatever he wants (violence aside).

I think he needs counselling, to be honest. Seems very troubled to me.

Braden
11-06-2016, 11:46 PM
I think he needs counselling, to be honest. Seems very troubled to me.

I agree, Vanessa. It's a shame he will be exploited on the show but it's the nature of the beast. Production haven't seemed to care whether someone is psychologically well enough to handle the show for a while now :/

Vanessa
11-06-2016, 11:48 PM
I agree, Vanessa. It's a shame he will be exploited on the show but it's the nature of the beast. Production haven't seemed to care whether someone is psychologically well enough to handle the show for a while now :/

I don't think he's a bad person. Just someone who has had a rotten childhood and it shows. And he's not strong enough mentally to stay until the end, i fear.

Braden
11-06-2016, 11:50 PM
I don't think he's a bad person. Just someone who has had a rotten childhood and it shows. And he's not strong enough mentally to stay until the end, i fear.

Yeah, I feel deep down there may be a good person there, but there are so many complicated layers to him as a person as you refer to. He's a very complex person. There might be a small chance he'll learn a few things from the experience :)

Vanessa
11-06-2016, 11:55 PM
Yeah, I feel deep down there may be a good person there, but there are so many complicated layers to him as a person as you refer to. He's a very complex person. There might be a small chance he'll learn a few things from the experience :)

I hope so. He's still so young and is quite a creative person. He could do so well in life, but he needs some guidance. I have read an interview about him before he went in and it was fascinating. He's actually quite an interesting person, but all we're seeing is his twattish front.

Jack Torrance
11-06-2016, 11:57 PM
I hope so. He's still so young and is quite a creative person. He could do so well in life, but he needs some guidance. I have read an interview about him before he went in and it was fascinating. He's actually quite an interesting person, but all we're seeing is his twattish front.

I hope so??? He is nothing but a piece of garbage. No hope with that guy.

Vanessa
11-06-2016, 11:57 PM
I hope so??? He is nothing but a piece of garbage. No hope with that guy.

There's always hope.

Amy Jade
11-06-2016, 11:57 PM
How can you call him creative? even his tattoos are basic.

MarcusMel
12-06-2016, 12:01 AM
I would like to see BB punish Marco by asking him to decide which of his two friends in the others house should be evicted, but he would probably just evict himself.

Vanessa
12-06-2016, 12:02 AM
I would like to see BB punish Marco by asking him to decide which of his two friends in the others house should be evicted, but he would probably just evict himself.

I don't think he would do it.

Jake.
12-06-2016, 12:03 AM
I didn't mention forum members but if the cap is fitting....

It was pretty obvious who you was referring to

alex_front2
12-06-2016, 08:36 AM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-3636957/Marco-Pierre-White-s-son-cooks-Big-Brother-deal-pay-debts-writes-GIRL-TOWN.html

Apparently Junior is doing BB as he's run up huge debts.


Marco has admitted to spending £250,000 of his father's money on 'prostitutes, alcohol and cocaine' on Friday night's show.

When Marco Snr declined to spend any more of his hard-earned £25 million fortune to bail out his son, Marco Jnr’s fiancee Kimberley Melville-Smith, 35, arranged for him to enter Big Brother with the help of an old school chum who is an executive producer.

But she may live to regret her decision. On Friday night he was caught on camera kissing housemate Laura Carter, who once had a one-night stand with pop star Justin Bieber.

Kim has hinted that she could be joining Marco in the house as part of one of Big Brother's infamous plot twists.

Junior's fiancé Kimberly, 35

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/06/11/20/352899BD00000578-3636957-image-a-34_1465672797067.jpg

jennyjuniper
12-06-2016, 09:44 AM
he is the epitome of someone raised with rich parents and tons of money... thinks he can speak to everyone how he wants to, doesn't show any real responsibility and thinks he is untouchable

Well I wouldn't want to touch him, even with disinfected marigolds on:hehe:

Vanessa
12-06-2016, 09:45 AM
Just noticed his fiance is 35. He likes older women :hee:

alex_front2
12-06-2016, 09:56 AM
Just noticed his fiance is 35. He likes older women :hee:

I just don't know what a woman almost old enough to be his mother would interested unless she's playing the golddiger long game ie banking on Marco Senior leaving his wealth his fortune and restaurant business to his sons which he has stated he will not be doing.

Vanessa
12-06-2016, 10:15 AM
I just don't know what a woman almost old enough to be his mother would interested unless she's playing the golddiger long game ie banking on Marco Senior leaving his wealth his fortune and restaurant business to his sons which he has stated he will not be doing.

Maybe the appeal of a bad boy? :hehe:

hot2go
12-06-2016, 10:29 AM
Doing what you want and treating people how you want...isn't that the same as loads of reality stars that are loved and admired so much by people ? Can't see the problem...only diff between him doing that and Tiffany or Steph,or now, Andrew doing that is that the guy is rich....just like The Kardasians ...I would have thought he was doing exactly what most reality fans want.

hot2go
12-06-2016, 10:31 AM
Just noticed his fiance is 35. He likes older women :hee:

Didn't know that....makes sense tho....open relationships not usually young girls game...Mrs Robinson in The Graduate......I like that idea

esoteric
12-06-2016, 10:32 AM
How can you call him creative? even his tattoos are basic.

:joker:

:cheer: your siggy

MrWong
12-06-2016, 10:32 AM
Has a HM ever threatened to hit security before?

Garfie
12-06-2016, 11:00 AM
Really hope someone follows up his 'I'll smack one of your security team' threat, not cool

:clap1: Yes, that was a clear threat, and alongside his very aggressive behaviour towards Ryan should have repercussions.

Garfie
12-06-2016, 11:03 AM
His mother taught him if someone disobeys you hit them, this is learned behaviour he is effectively an abused child with issues now.
First peice of dating advice I gave my daughter look at how the guy treats his mother, too affectionate = run a mile, he dislikes her intensely = run a mile.

That's so true. And great advice.

Daniel.
12-06-2016, 11:09 AM
He's ugly trash inside and out

Garfie
12-06-2016, 11:11 AM
If he's like that it's because of the way he was raised.

:facepalm: No. Not true.

Plenty of people with worse experiences aren't like that. Life happens to you, but you choose, as a grown adult, how you respond. People who always blame someone else for their shortcomings have not learned to take responsibility for their own actions.

We all have choice.

Robertocarlo
12-06-2016, 11:12 AM
I really loath Marco. Didn't like him from day one. That annoying laugh, constant looking for cameras and his loud mouth. Just another spoilt rich kid brat who knows no manners. Awful HM.

Ammi
12-06-2016, 11:20 AM
If he's like that it's because of the way he was raised.

..the thing is Vanessa, that there is no indication that he was abused as a child and not something that we should be saying unless proven to be true..so it can't be said../..that it's because of how he was raised..?..the thing with his mum was an incident that happened only recently, when he was an adult... and I'm not sure that the court case has even taken place yet so circumstances are not known about it...that's not condoning anything she might have done in laying her hands in violence on either of her sons in that incident ..but it's no indication at all of having any relevance or association whatsoever on aggressive behaviour that he's displaying now in the house...

Vanessa
12-06-2016, 11:25 AM
..the thing is Vanessa, that there is no indication that he was abused as a child and not something that we should be saying unless proven to be true..so it can't be said../..that it's because of how he was raised..?..the thing with his mum was an incident that happened only recently, when he was an adult... and I'm not sure that the court case has even taken place yet so circumstances are not known about it...that's not condoning anything she might have done in laying her hands in violence on either of her sons in that incident ..but it's no indication at all of having any relevance or association whatsoever on aggressive behaviour that he's displaying now in the house...

But his behaviour I think is learnt behaviour. From the way he was raised. Probably his parents messy divorce didn't help.

MarcusMel
12-06-2016, 11:27 AM
Could have learned it from the way the press and paperatzzi behave towards him!

Strictly Jake
12-06-2016, 11:28 AM
He made an idiot out of himself and sadly so did Chelsea

Vanessa
12-06-2016, 11:29 AM
Could have learned it from the way the press and paperatzzi behave towards him!

His mum sounds like a nasty piece of work. His dad I'm sure cares for him,, but hasn't been there so probably spoilt him rotten.

Vanessa
12-06-2016, 11:30 AM
Could have learned it from the way the press and paperatzzi behave towards him!
Chelsea is hilarious :joker:

Ammi
12-06-2016, 11:30 AM
But his behaviour I think is learnt behaviour. From the way he was raised. Probably his parents messy divorce didn't help.

...ouch Vanessa, those things just shouldn't be said unless they're known to be true ...learned behaviour from what, a few months ago ..?...and that's moulded his actions now..?..do you not see how unfair it is for his mum, to be saying such a grim and awful thing about her, as a parent...or even speculating it with no foundation to be doing so...

Vanessa
12-06-2016, 11:32 AM
...ouch Vanessa, those things just shouldn't be said unless they're know to be true ...learned behaviour from what, a few months ago..?...and that's moulded his actions now..?..do you not see how unfair it is for his mum, to be saying such a grim and awful thing about her, as a parent...or even speculating it with no foundation to be doing so...

Well he was raised by his mum, I think. Dad probably was away a lot and spoil him rotten. It's just my impression, of course I could be wrong. But the thing that sets off alarm bells to me is that she attacked his brother as well. Sounds like someone with a very nasty temper.

Drew.
12-06-2016, 11:54 AM
But his behaviour I think is learnt behaviour. From the way he was raised. Probably his parents messy divorce didn't help.

A lot of us have experienced that and aren't an embarrassment to ourselves like he is. Thats a weak excuse & shouldn't even be used

Vanessa
12-06-2016, 11:56 AM
A lot of us have experienced that and aren't an embarrassment to ourselves like he is. Thats a weak excuse & shouldn't even be used

Yes, but everyone reacts differently to their experiences.

Drew.
12-06-2016, 12:01 PM
Yes, but everyone reacts differently to their experiences.

I have respect for anyone who comes through a hard childhood and makes something of themselves. If what you're saying is true about his past then he clearly hasn't.. he seems happy with the lifestyle he's chosen and who he's become. He's just a spoilt immature sleaze

Vanessa
12-06-2016, 12:07 PM
I have respect for anyone who comes through a hard childhood and makes something of themselves. If what you're saying is true about his past then he clearly hasn't.. he seems happy with the lifestyle he's chosen and who he's become. He's just a spoilt immature sleaze

Maybe so, but he Clearly has a lot of issues But his Family should be very worried, I think. He seems so troubled and lost.

Kazanne
12-06-2016, 12:07 PM
I read his mother was pretty hard on him and a very volatile woman and according to his father the children were not spoilt http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2015/feb/20/marco-pierre-white-my-family-values

And a source to his wifes violence http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/marco-pierre-white-s-estranged-wife-is-charged-with-assaulting-21yearold-a3173831.html

Vanessa
12-06-2016, 12:09 PM
I read his mother was pretty hard on him and a very volatile woman and according to his father the children were not spoilt http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2015/feb/20/marco-pierre-white-my-family-values

And a source to his wifes violence http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/marco-pierre-white-s-estranged-wife-is-charged-with-assaulting-21yearold-a3173831.html

I also had a similar childhood and I can see the signs. It still affects me today and I believe it's the reason my brother got addicted to drugs.

Vanessa
12-06-2016, 12:11 PM
I read his mother was pretty hard on him and a very volatile woman and according to his father the children were not spoilt http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2015/feb/20/marco-pierre-white-my-family-values

And a source to his wifes violence http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/marco-pierre-white-s-estranged-wife-is-charged-with-assaulting-21yearold-a3173831.html

His father may have spent money on his kids to overcompensate. He probably was so busy he wasn't there for them when they needed a father.

Kazanne
12-06-2016, 12:18 PM
His father may have spent money on his kids to overcompensate. He probably was so busy he wasn't there for them when they needed a father.

Marco himself said on BB that he loves his dad to bits and that he was a great father,so who knows,I would imagine his dad not being around as much as he would have liked.

Vanessa
12-06-2016, 12:20 PM
Marco himself said on BB that he loves his dad to bits and that he was a great father,so who knows,I would imagine his dad not being around as much as he would have liked.

I think his dad caring for him it's the only saving grace. Imagine if both parents were like his mum. :shocked:

hot2go
12-06-2016, 12:35 PM
Yes, but everyone reacts differently to their experiences.

I agree....and his threats to Andrew and Ryan were no different to Chloe threatening to go for Marc O'Neill before hurling a bottle at him...or Steph in CBB having to be quarantined because of threats to the house or Tiffany having to be restrained when she thought Angie Bowie had lied to her.....or any number of previous popular housemates who have reacted exactly the same way when feeling scared and threatened....there was nothing that happened last night that we've not seen before so I don't see what's so shocking

Lostie!
12-06-2016, 12:38 PM
Has a HM ever threatened to hit security before?

Leo Sayer shoved security guards when he broke out of the house in CBB5. It was quite hilarious to be fair since he was like half the size. :joker:

hot2go
12-06-2016, 12:41 PM
:facepalm: No. Not true.

Plenty of people with worse experiences aren't like that. Life happens to you, but you choose, as a grown adult, how you respond. People who always blame someone else for their shortcomings have not learned to take responsibility for their own actions.

We all have choice.

I totally disagree with this generalisation.....there are many factors growing up and many influences and they all impact on how someone turns out...they all felt threatened last night and they all reacted in very extreme ways.

MrWong
12-06-2016, 12:52 PM
Leo Sayer shoved security guards when he broke out of the house in CBB5. It was quite hilarious to be fair since he was like half the size. :joker:

:D

Russel Brand's piss take on BBBM was also really funny.

Vanessa
12-06-2016, 01:06 PM
To be honest I don't think Marco was Going To do anything. But he has a Very nasty temper and should be careful in there.

Garfie
12-06-2016, 02:50 PM
I totally disagree with this generalisation.....there are many factors growing up and many influences and they all impact on how someone turns out...they all felt threatened last night and they all reacted in very extreme ways.



Yes, they do all impact, without doubt, and we do react to them. However, we all have a choice on how we respond to them once we reach adulthood; we can either use them as an excuse to hit out at the world, and be a negative person who does negative things, or we can choose to deal with them and make ourselves and our lives better because of them.

Despite being more privileged than the majority of people, he has chosen to behave in an aggressive, vile, immature and repulsive way, rather than feeling grateful and making the most of the opportunities he has had. By his own admission, he has wasted more money on on drugs, prostitutes and alcohol than the majority of people spend on a house!

At what age should people start to take responsibility for their own actions?The arguments of some people seem to be excusing him as if he is a child. If you follow the argument that adults can excuse their actions because they've had a bad childhood, or had something bad happen to them, then you could probably say that most of the prison population should be released (check statistics if you need to).

I agree that they all felt threatened, but probably one of those who displayed the most threatening behaviour, both verbally and physically, was Marco ironically! He was much more threatening than threatened!

Garfie
12-06-2016, 02:55 PM
I have respect for anyone who comes through a hard childhood and makes something of themselves. If what you're saying is true about his past then he clearly hasn't.. he seems happy with the lifestyle he's chosen and who he's become. He's just a spoilt immature sleaze

:clap1:

Exactly! What is this need to excuse the inexcusable?

Garfie
12-06-2016, 03:03 PM
I totally disagree with this generalisation.....there are many factors growing up and many influences and they all impact on how someone turns out...they all felt threatened last night and they all reacted in very extreme ways.

And where is the generalisation?

MarcusMel
12-06-2016, 03:39 PM
:facepalm: No. Not true.

Plenty of people with worse experiences aren't like that. Life happens to you, but you choose, as a grown adult, how you respond. People who always blame someone else for their shortcomings have not learned to take responsibility for their own actions.

We all have choice.

Interesting quote by Victor Frankl who survived WWII death camps. It goes 'in any situation the last of human freedoms is that we can choose our attitudes'.

I think it is hard to 'choose an attitude' but hope that most follow the attitude of if I don't want it done to me, I should not do it to others unless they have freely given their permission. So many dont think this sadly :fist:

Speedster
12-06-2016, 03:45 PM
So you're just ignoring the fact that he threatened security with violence and generally showed off the fact that he is a spoilt **** through and through?



This.

hot2go
12-06-2016, 03:52 PM
Garfie....didn't quote full message cause it's a biggy....only reason....I agree with you that it's better to find positives out of trauma but I don't think " Life happens but you choose how you respond " ....thats was I see as a generalisation ....I honestly don't think some people can help how they respond and only with maturity and with professional help does that happen ....a lot of people find a way out of their demons but not so often by the age of 20....the same experience can happen to two people but they each have they own personality strengths and weaknesses and they each have different backgrounds and influences...what one person can deal with and move on from another cant and vice versa.....some people moved on from the Tsunami and felt they had been lucky...others needed years of help and still have nightmares.....I don't think its as simple as choice but for some it can be.

Withano
12-06-2016, 03:54 PM
How much are the others being payed to be there? Not more than his shoes.

hot2go
12-06-2016, 03:57 PM
I don't look at his bahaviour and see spoilt, I see insecure.....I see the same in Natalie too.

Speedster
12-06-2016, 03:58 PM
I just don't know what a woman almost old enough to be his mother would interested unless she's playing the golddiger long game ie banking on Marco Senior leaving his wealth his fortune and restaurant business to his sons which he has stated he will not be doing.


She's 35. She's probably got a career by now so she doesn't need money. Why are women always "Gold diggers" no-one says anything about men just wanting women for sex-Anna Nicole Smith marrying a 90 odd year old rich guy fgs!! he wanted her for SEX but that's ok, he's male so he's innocent of taking advantage of people.

And if MPW gets his hands on his dad's money, it sounds like it'll last half an hour with his son. I'm pretty sure knows what an idiot he is with money; he's in debt afterall.

Garfie
12-06-2016, 04:35 PM
Interesting quote by Victor Frankl who survived WWII death camps. It goes 'in any situation the last of human freedoms is that we can choose our attitudes'.

I think it is hard to 'choose an attitude' but hope that most follow the attitude of if I don't want it done to me, I should not do it to others unless they have freely given their permission. So many dont think this sadly :fist:

::thumbs: Great quote, and it really puts this into perspective. I feel quite humbled by that. Thank you, MarcusMe.

We aren't defined by events, but we can choose to either become a 'victim' because of them, or a survivor despite them. It was probably his thinking that helped Frankl to find the strength to survive, rather than becoming a victim.

You're right, it is hard to choose an attitude, but to me (and I think probably to you) it's about either being controlled by life or taking control of it. It's about digging deep to find the strength to overcome difficulties, rather than thinking they make it acceptable to have no morals and to play the victim.

Thank you for sharing this quote- it is one I will remember and use.:hug:

camertone
12-06-2016, 04:43 PM
is he the one with ugly tattoos on his face?

arista
12-06-2016, 04:59 PM
is he the one with ugly tattoos on his face?


Yes

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/06/12/00/35287BE800000578-3637141-image-a-67_1465686054835.jpg

arista
12-06-2016, 05:00 PM
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Terrible Temper

Clootie Dumpling
12-06-2016, 05:21 PM
It annoys me when people plead the 'affluenza' defence on his behalf.

Vanessa
12-06-2016, 05:22 PM
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Terrible Temper

He reminds me of my nephew a bit. Says terrible things when he's angry, but when he calms down he's fine :laugh:

Garfie
12-06-2016, 05:41 PM
Garfie....didn't quote full message cause it's a biggy....only reason....I agree with you that it's better to find positives out of trauma but I don't think " Life happens but you choose how you respond " ....thats was I see as a generalisation ....I honestly don't think some people can help how they respond and only with maturity and with professional help does that happen ....a lot of people find a way out of their demons but not so often by the age of 20....the same experience can happen to two people but they each have they own personality strengths and weaknesses and they each have different backgrounds and influences...what one person can deal with and move on from another cant and vice versa.....some people moved on from the Tsunami and felt they had been lucky...others needed years of help and still have nightmares.....I don't think its as simple as choice but for some it can be.

Thanks for this, Hot2go.

I totally agree with so much of what you have said here- you are right that only with maturity and professional help do many people escape their demons, and I think some people never do and, sadly, can be affected for a life time. You're also right when you say that two people can have the same experience but their own personality strengths and weaknesses, and their influences, affect how easy or hard it is for them to deal with them and move on. I absolutely empathise in these situations.

I think the point I was trying to get across (and it might be I didn't do this clearly) is regarding the difference between effect and response-, and between understanding someone's behaviour and excusing it.

Therefore, (and this might be where we differ) although I agree you can't choose how experiences affect you, I believe you do make decisions about the actions you take as a result. That is something I still stand by. It is (in my view) never right to direct it out at others, and I believe that, at Marco's age, you do know what is morally right or wrong; at 20 I also believe you are old enough to take responsibility for your actions, even if you are affected by bad experiences.

I'm exhausted by all this now, and all because of Marco!!

Vanessa
12-06-2016, 05:42 PM
Just watched last nights show....seems a lot of fabricating of the truth on here regarding Marco and the threatening of the security guards....he simply twice repeated the words "don't touch me "...unless there are some clips not shown on last nights episode that other people are watching then I don't get it....how is that threatening the guards and worthy of being evicted ? Isn't that the exact words Huey said to Natalie in the same show ?

He was just angry. I doubt he was going to touch anyone. He has been fine until now. Except yesterday,
When he lost his temper.

Garfie
12-06-2016, 05:46 PM
Just watched last nights show....seems a lot of fabricating of the truth on here regarding Marco and the threatening of the security guards....he simply twice repeated the words "don't touch me "...unless there are some clips not shown on last nights episode that other people are watching then I don't get it....how is that threatening the guards and worthy of being evicted ? Isn't that the exact words Huey said to Natalie in the same show ?

He said it as he and Chelsea were walking to the door. It was directed at BB. I can't remember the exact words but it was something about them leaving and if any security guards tried to stop them he would physically harm them.

Gusto Brunt
12-06-2016, 05:47 PM
Where's the father in all this?

Vanessa
12-06-2016, 05:53 PM
Where's the father in all this?

I don't think he was there for him when he needed him. Unfortunately he has been brought up by his mum, who was very volatile and you can tell it has screwed him up

Lostie!
12-06-2016, 06:01 PM
I'd find it impossible to bond in any way with someone like Marco. No appreciation for anything he has and completely ignorant to the real world.

The way he and Chelsea go on honestly infuriates me, pair of shallow pricks.

hot2go
12-06-2016, 06:25 PM
He said it as he and Chelsea were walking to the door. It was directed at BB. I can't remember the exact words but it was something about them leaving and if any security guards tried to stop them he would physically harm them.

Oh right....missed that....thanks for letting me know.i think he's all talk but he can't be saying things like that ....i think he may not last long

wendywillow
12-06-2016, 06:54 PM
it was all for attention, when he was the one every one was looking at jumping in the pool, dancng etc.he was fine, as soon as someone else entered the house and he had to start a scene. new rule: if you leave, youre out