Andy destroys Sam and his BS story

[Crimson Dynamo]

:joker:

As usual with 'ghost' stories its All about the person telling. Its to make them more important in a group, to give them attention and allure.. A very human need.

Andy clocked the beardy and exposed him as a fraud

Brilliant.

Andy FTW

[ConnieLingus]

It always amazes me when I see people taking this supernatural **** seriously...except when it's those on BB doing it. They are usually exactly the type of thiickards who think ghosts exist.

Well done to Andy for calling him out, but he blotted his copybook by apologising later. Why did he have to be so weak?

[Crimson Dynamo]

It always amazes me when I see people taking this supernatural **** seriously...except when it's those on BB doing it. They are usually exactly the type of thiickards who think ghosts exist.

Well done to Andy for calling him out, but he blotted his copybook by apologising later. Why did he have to be so weak?

He was but he is just a nice guy

[ConnieLingus]

He was but he is just a nice guy

Yes. I believe he is, and it's looking like he is far too intelligent o have a conversation in there.

Nice to see him quoting Richard Dawkins too...although it really did fall on stoney ground.

[Oliver_W]

I've done a Ouija board before, round a mate's house. The light bulb broke and the front door opened at the same time while we were doing it.

Not saying the three things were connected, but it happened

[Amy Jade]

He was just rude for no reason.

[ConnieLingus]

I've done a Ouija board before, round a mate's house. The light bulb broke and the front door opened at the same time while we were doing it.

Not saying the three things were connected, but it happened

At a guess, I'm going to say the three things were not connected. :joker:

[*mazedsalv**]

I'm not a believer at all, but I've felt stuff before. Infact (you all wont believe me), but my workplace used to be an assylum (burnt down in the 70s and was rebuilt as a hotel wedding venue), and there is a place upstairs where the cleaning cupboard is.

That room which is on the 4th floor (where hardly anyone goes) used to be where they prepared dead bodies. I went up there once and went to get some cleaning products and no word of a lie, you know when someone comes really close to your ear when they whisper (hot breath urghh!), well, something literally pulled my earlobe and whispered, all I got was "get the".

I ran so quick and haven't been up there since! No one believed me until one of my friends had a small shelf pushed onto her (a shelf which was against the wall).

So, I'm a big "yeah kind of", so the Sam story to me is a "meh, maybe, but probably not".

[ConnieLingus]

He was just rude for no reason.

No he wasn't.

He only stated a couple of facts, and asked a couple of questions that anyone with half A brain cell would ask a nutter who claimed a clock or washing machine was moving for no good reason.

[ConnieLingus]

I'm not a believer at all, but I've felt stuff before. Infact (you all wont believe me), but my workplace used to be an assylum (burnt down in the 70s and was rebuilt as a hotel wedding venue), and there is a place upstairs where the cleaning cupboard is.

That room which is on the 4th floor (where hardly anyone goes) used to be where they prepared dead bodies. I went up there once and went to get some cleaning products and no word of a lie, you know when someone comes really close to your ear when they whisper (hot breath urghh!), well, something literally pulled my earlobe and whispered, all I got was "get the".

I ran so quick and haven't been up there since! No one believed me until one of my friends had a small shelf pushed onto her (a shelf which was against the wall).

So, I'm a big "yeah kind of", so the Sam story to me is a "meh, maybe, but probably not".

Just say no. It's not clever to take drugs.

[*mazedsalv**]

Just say no. It's not clever to take drugs.

I don't mind if people don't believe me. I have no reason to lie. I don't need to impress anyone :joker:

If someone doesn't agree I just say "OK, fair". Less than 5% of people encounter stuff like that, so basically no-one. I get people don't get agree because I was the same up until a couple of years ago.

One time I dreamt I was getting burnt with a bbq fork and the number 45 was being carved into my back... i woke up, as i left the house, there was a van outside with a 45 after the logo right outside my door.... :joker: Coincidence obviously.

[Maru]

Just say no. It's not clever to take drugs.

:rolleyes:

Everyone wonders. I think it is very human to ask yourself if there is more than just what we see to life/things. BB-wise, it may help to make that person seem much more relatable to have such conversations. On the other hand, it could be highly polarizing depending on the belief. The twins and their belief that they are aliens is one such example of that polarity...

I'm not one to tell ghost stories myself but I am heavily spiritual. Don't talk that much about it tbf because I don't really care what other people think. I just wouldn't completely write off each other's stories so easily. Everyone wonders. I also think that house also tends to force some silly conversations out of people's mouths... what else are you going to do when you are sat there with nothing else better to do than talk about nothing?

[ConnieLingus]

Less than 5% of people encounter stuff like that, so basically no-one. I get people don't get agree because I was the same up until a couple of years ago.



In Britain alone, that would be about 3 million people, so can hardly be described as "basically no one". :joker:

Spookily weird that no one believes it...except that the nutters never have any evidence. :shrug:

[*mazedsalv**]

In Britain alone, that would be about 3 million people, so can hardly be described as "basically no one". :joker:

Spookily weird that no one believes it...except that the nutters never have any evidence. :shrug:

5% of the world population. I don't know how small here.

We don't have evidence of a lot of things but people still believe them. I don't have evidence, just my eyes, that's enough for me. Don't care enough to get evidence to convince people because I'm blase about the whole thing.

[ConnieLingus]

:rolleyes:

Everyone wonders. I think it is very human to ask yourself if there is more than just what we see to life/things. BB-wise, it may help to make that person seem much more relatable to have such conversations. On the other hand, it could be highly polarizing depending on the belief. The twins and their belief that they are aliens is one such example of that polarity...

I'm not one to tell ghost stories myself but I am heavily spiritual. Don't talk that much about it tbf because I don't really care what other people think. I just wouldn't completely write off each other's stories so easily. Everyone wonders. I also think that house also tends to force some silly conversations out of people's mouths... what else are you going to do when you are sat there with nothing else better to do than talk about nothing?

People who "wonder" usually have a need for reassurance that it doesn't all end when they die, or they don't understand science...or both.

Either way, until evidence of the supernatural is proved, religion and, superstition can be filed under man made delusion.

[ConnieLingus]

We don't have evidence of a lot of things but people still believe them. I don't have evidence, just my eyes, that's enough for me. .

That kind of ignorance of science is what allows the religious nutters to spread their "word".

Try reading Lawrence Krauss or some other eminent scientists, and then you may think differently.

[TT350]

Well, if he was wise he would have kept his mouth shut. Andy that is.

I've learned in life that, wanting to expose liars and frauds isn't always the best course of action. Especially in a microcosm like the BB house.

You have to accommodate for all kinds of people in life. From all backgrounds and so on. You don't always have to call people to some kind of justice if you find out they're telling porky pies. Just let it go. Makes them feel good and removes the burden of the feeling of having to shame and expose them.

I don't like to argue or cause friction overy little things and Andy has done just that.

I'm going to have to say, I really didn't see the need for him to call him out.

Besides..... Things do go bump in the night.

And not just Marco and Laura's uglies.

[Maru]

It really does expose Andy's personality as well.

[ConnieLingus]

Well, if he was wise he would have kept his mouth shut. Andy that is.

I've learned in life that, wanting to expose liars and frauds isn't always the best course of action. Especially in a microcosm like the BB house.

You have to accommodate for all kinds of people in life. From all backgrounds and so on. You don't always have to call people to some kind of justice if you find out they're telling porky pies. Just let it go. Makes them feel good and removes the burden of the feeling of having to shame and expose them.

I don't like to argue or cause friction overy little things and Andy has done just that.

I'm going to have to say, I really didn't see the need for him to call him out.

Besides..... Things do go bump in the night.

And not just Marco and Laura's uglies.

Behave. He wasn't trying to "expose liars and frauds".

He was probably trying to encourage a discussion on why the things precious Sam was talking about don't have any evidence in reality (something most of the housemates seem detached from).

He had already alluded to BB several times that he would like a discussion on something more substantial than the usual b ollocks that the dullards talk about.

[hot2go]

Sam has done nothing and said nothing of any significance since he arrived ... If not for his little troll enemy he would have had no story line at all... Tonight he was exagerating fantasies cause his reality is so dull... If I was Andy I too would have found it annoying

[TT350]

That kind of ignorance of science is what allows the religious nutters to spread their "word".

Try reading Lawrence Krauss or some other eminent scientists, and then you may think differently.

Well, I was brought up religious. I didn't swallow the pill though.

However I do have a spiritual side.

Science is fantastic and interesting. I love learning about the mechanics of everything in and around us. But I think it's quite possible that our interpretation and understanding of things is very superficial at best. Reality may be what we're allowed to see and understand. And that's our reality. Especially as we're left to understand and discover things on our own as a species. Giving us a sense of achievement and discovery and reinforcing the notion that our reality IS reality.

Like I say, maybe were allowed to discover things. Like a child discovering something for the first time is so convinced he's pioneering and feels sure he's made a discovery that no one else could have.

Bit like The Matrix.

That's just a thought though. Not an opinion.

I don't think I believe in God or God's. I sort of do believe in creation over evolution. There's no reason a long extinct race of aliens couldn't have sent out probes with the seed of everything we call life to terraform planets. Maybe they're still there.

Or maybe they're HERE! Lol.

Anyway I'll take off my tinfoil hat now lol.

[ConnieLingus]

Well, I was brought up religious. I didn't swallow the pill though.

However I do have a spiritual side.

Science is fantastic and interesting. I love learning about the mechanics of everything in and around us. But I think it's quite possible that our interpretation and understanding of things is very superficial at best. Reality may be what we're allowed to see and understand. And that's our reality. Especially as we're left to understand and discover things on our own as a species. Giving us a sense of achievement and discovery and reinforcing the notion that our reality IS reality.

Like I say, maybe were allowed to discover things. Like a child discovering something for the first time is so convinced he's pioneering and feels sure he's made a discovery that no one else could have.

Bit like The Matrix.

That's just a thought though. Not an opinion.

I don't think I believe in God or God's. I sort of do believe in creation over evolution. There's no reason a long extinct race of aliens couldn't have sent out probes with the seed of everything we call life to terraform planets. Maybe they're still there.

Or maybe they're HERE! Lol.

Anyway I'll take off my tinfoil hat now lol.

Despite some hesitation, I was at least finding your post reasonably original and interesting until you stated your belief in creation over evolution.

Your credibility just disappeared at that point. :joker:

[Shaun]

I'm open to all this spiritual nonsense talk but I think everyone that's turning against Andy because of this is being incredibly over-sensitive.

[TT350]

Despite some hesitation, I was at least finding your post reasonably original and interesting until you stated your belief in creation over evolution.

Your credibility just disappeared at that point. :joker:

Lol. I feel like I've just stared a new job and broke it to my new colleagues that I don't like football.

*tumbleweeds*

All entitled to our own thoughts and opinions though.

Good that we evolved in that respect :)

[Maru]

Well, I was brought up religious. I didn't swallow the pill though.

However I do have a spiritual side.

Science is fantastic and interesting. I love learning about the mechanics of everything in and around us. But I think it's quite possible that our interpretation and understanding of things is very superficial at best. Reality may be what we're allowed to see and understand. And that's our reality. Especially as we're left to understand and discover things on our own as a species. Giving us a sense of achievement and discovery and reinforcing the notion that our reality IS reality.

Like I say, maybe were allowed to discover things. Like a child discovering something for the first time is so convinced he's pioneering and feels sure he's made a discovery that no one else could have.

Bit like The Matrix.

That's just a thought though. Not an opinion.

I don't think I believe in God or God's. I sort of do believe in creation over evolution. There's no reason a long extinct race of aliens couldn't have sent out probes with the seed of everything we call life to terraform planets. Maybe they're still there.

Or maybe they're HERE! Lol.

Anyway I'll take off my tinfoil hat now lol.

I'm not religious either. I'm more of an open mind and have come to my beliefs in a different manner. I am heavy into Astronomy and Geology subjects and read texts as a hobby so I can talk just as much about either subject as the other.

Hey, people have differing views and POV's with the subject of the supernatural, but that is what makes it so interesting.

People can detest religion all people want (I'm not religious either), but there are people going so far as to murder and die for their beliefs. It might be good to sit down, listen and try to really understand the people behind those beliefs. It doesn't mean a person has to drink the Koolaid.

I am a Astronomy buff myself. I like Geology as well and studying things like the formation of the Earth. I can pretty much read on non-fiction subjects all day long, especially languages and the design of things. I am self-taught and have taught myself a language and several computer languages in my spare time. My point is there doesn't necessarily have to be a competition between the two, but maybe view it as a continuous learning experience. Science is fairly well proven in it's area but there's no reason to be completely closed to other contexts of what we see and physically experience.

Relax, we are here for the long haul. Education is a life-long thing so there is no reason to close off to other people's POV. It may not change your belief system and really who cares if it does. The point is you may learn something about your fellow man and that is why it doesn't really bother me.

In the context of BB, I didn't hear Sam's ghost story but I wouldn't put it past most people to be putting on for the cameras...

It's a shame if Andy writes off people so easily. I actually want to like him. I would like to hear more on what he thinks about things because he's supposedly studied, but he seems to like to open his mouth too much in the DR . I don't know that he is really the listening type.

[TT350]

Behave.

Mum... Is that you? Talking from beyond the grave?!

;)

[ConnieLingus]

I'm not religious either. I'm more of an open mind and have come to my beliefs in a different manner. I am heavy into Astronomy and Geology subjects and read texts as a hobby so I can talk just as much about either subject as the other.

Hey, people have differing views and POV's with the subject of the supernatural, but that is what makes it so interesting.

People can detest religion all people want (I'm not religious either), but there are people going so far as to murder and die for their beliefs. It might be good to sit down, listen and try to really understand the people behind those beliefs. It doesn't mean a person has to drink the Koolaid.

I am a Astronomy buff myself. I like Geology as well and studying things like the formation of the Earth. I can pretty much read on non-fiction subjects all day long, especially languages and the design of things. I am self-taught and have taught myself a language and several computer languages in my spare time. My point is there doesn't necessarily have to be a competition between the two, but maybe view it as a continuous learning experience. Science is fairly well proven in it's area but there's no reason to be completely closed to other contexts of what we see and physically experience.

Relax, we are here for the long haul. Education is a life-long thing so there is no reason to close off to other people's POV. It may not change your belief system and really who cares if it does. The point is you may learn something about your fellow man and that is why it doesn't really bother me.

In the context of BB, I didn't hear Sam's ghost story but I wouldn't put it past most people to be putting on for the cameras...

It's a shame if Andy writes off people so easily. I actually want to like him. I would like to hear more on what he thinks about things because he's supposedly studied, but he seems to like to open his mouth too much in the DR . I don't know that he is really the listening type.

It's funny that in your opening sentence you describe yourself as "open minded". That's exactly what someone accused Andy of NOT being on the show, just because he questioned some obviously bs story with no evidence to back it up.

Being "open minded" isn't about being willing to give credence to any old bag of nonsense that a lump of wood says is true. Why don't people realise that being "open minded" is about considering evidence and seeing what conclusions can be reached...if any?

Also, saying as you did that "science is fairly well proven in its area" shows that you do not have th faintest inkling of what science is. Science is having a hypothesis of what might be true, and then trying to prove the hypothesis by gaining evidence from observation and experiment.

So, carry on your "life long education", and continue to be an "Astronomy and Geology buff", but don't make up your own idea of what science is.

And by the way, Andy did nothing to suggest he wrote anyone off like you claim.

[ConnieLingus]

Mum... Is that you? Talking from beyond the grave?!

;)

Yes. How do I get someone to turn down the heat in here?

[TT350]

Yes. How do I get someone to turn down the heat in here?

Cause and effect, mum.

[ConnieLingus]

Cause and effect, mum.

This is no time for your science nonsense, son.

[Maru]

blah blah blah

I'm sorry? Were you speaking to me? I don't bother arguing with trolls. If you can engage other people without the personal attacks, I might bother, but otherwise off to my ignore list where you belong.

[Amy Jade]

No he wasn't.

He only stated a couple of facts, and asked a couple of questions that anyone with half A brain cell would ask a nutter who claimed a clock or washing machine was moving for no good reason.

I believe he was rude and just you telling me I'm wrong doesn't change my mind. He could have been more tactful in the situation and remembered he's not a journalist anymore he could just allow others to believe what they want and stop being son judgementalk - no wonder none of them like him.

[ConnieLingus]

I'm sorry? Were you speaking to me? I don't bother arguing with trolls. If you can engage other people without the personal attacks, I might bother, but otherwise off to my ignore list where you belong.

Could you please point out the personal attacks?

This should be good.

[ConnieLingus]

I believe he was rude and just you telling me I'm wrong doesn't change my mind. He could have been more tactful in the situation and remembered he's not a journalist anymore he could just allow others to believe what they want and stop being son judgementalk - no wonder none of them like him.

You might believe he was rude, but that doesn't mean that he was by any stretch of the imagination.

Being "more tactful" seems to equate to shutting up and ignoring logical thinking in your mind.

Why should he have to remember he's not a journalist anymore? So that low IQ nonentities can spout superstitious nonsense?

Hmmm. I'm thinking about why British TV is a hotbed of lumps of wood who can't string a coherent sentence together. Oh, I've got an idea! It might be because fellow lumps of wood think Andy shouldn't engage in a reasoned debate. Maybe that's it?

[Clootie Dumpling]

I believe he was rude and just you telling me I'm wrong doesn't change my mind. He could have been more tactful in the situation and remembered he's not a journalist anymore he could just allow others to believe what they want and stop being son judgementalk - no wonder none of them like him.

I think his apology was an acknowledgement that he might have been more tactful, which shows that he can reflect on his behaviour and the impact it has on those around him.

It seems that only those with extreme, outlandish and, dare I say it, ill-formed, opinions are entitled to express them and anyone who proffers a rational counter-argument is rude.

Andy must feel like the little boy who pointed out that the Emperor had forgtten to get dressed that morning. :shrug:

[ConnieLingus]

I think his apology was an acknowledgement that he might have been more tactful, which shows that he can reflect on his behaviour and the impact it has on those around him.

It seems that only those with extreme, outlandish and, dare I say it, ill-formed, opinions are entitled to express them and anyone who proffers a rational counter-argument is rude.

Andy must feel like the little boy who pointed out that the Emperor had forgtten to get dressed that morning. :shrug:

Well, I hope the next time he voices an opinion he sticks by it.

Who says he has to be tactful when he is listening to donkeys talking s hite?

Now that he knows he has been nominated, he should tell them to stick their precious wee feelings up their chuff, and say what he wants...because he is the only one who hasn't got the brain of a midge.

[Clootie Dumpling]

Well, I hope the next time he voices an opinion he sticks by it.

Who says he has to be tactful when he is listening to donkeys talking s hite?

Now that he knows he has been nominated, he should tell them to stick their precious wee feelings up their chuff, and say what he wants...because he is the only one who hasn't got the brain of a midge.

You're probably right, Connie - I was just trying to be tactful! :hee:

[ConnieLingus]

You're probably right, Connie - I was just trying to be tactful! :hee:

Thanks Clootie.

I guess I just got a tanner in my slice there. Happy days.

[Clootie Dumpling]

Thanks Clootie.

I guess I just got a tanner in my slice there. Happy days.

Erm ... I'm translating that as you having 'a sixpence in your tuppence', which can't be right! Can it?

[ConnieLingus]

Erm ... I'm translating that as you having 'a sixpence in your tuppence', which can't be right! Can it?

Sorry mate. I just assumed that with your username being Clootie Dumpling, you knew what a clootie dumpling was.

Apologies. You obviously don't know what it is.

[Clootie Dumpling]

Sorry mate. I just assumed that with your username being Clootie Dumpling, you knew what a clootie dumpling was.

Apologies. You obviously don't know what it is.

Oh, right! I thought you were being smutty, but you weren't. Course I know what a Clootie Dumpling is - unfortunately, they don't make them with the sixpences in anymore - not PC to produce something with an in-built choking hazard - shame! :hee:

[ConnieLingus]

Oh, right! I thought you were being smutty, but you weren't. Course I know what a Clootie Dumpling is - unfortunately, they don't make them with the sixpences in anymore - not PC to produce something with an in-built choking hazard - shame! :hee:

Ah right.

It's not the same if your kids can't die eating it. :joker:

[Clootie Dumpling]

Ah right.

It's not the same if your kids can't die eating it. :joker:

:)

[Crimson Dynamo]

I believe he was rude and just you telling me I'm wrong doesn't change my mind. He could have been more tactful in the situation and remembered he's not a journalist anymore he could just allow others to believe what they want and stop being son judgementalk - no wonder none of them like him.

So you would prefer him to just be fake and say "ooh Sam that sounds amazing?"


I would not like to be around fakes like that

[Cherie]

I thought of LT during the exchange :omgno: I liked that Andy said his piece he was just a little bit too superior in his view though and didn't put his point across well which was a shame, I think Se are seeing little snippets of bitchy Andy..opening the oven door as well

[armand.kay]

I like Andy but he comes across as thinking he's above everyone.

[Amy Jade]

So you would prefer him to just be fake and say "ooh Sam that sounds amazing?"


I would not like to be around fakes like that

No as I said and you've ignored, I think he could have approached the conversation with more tact.

Being honest doesn't mean you have to be arrogant and try and belittle somebody else's opinion and beliefs.

[Nicky91]

No as I said and you've ignored, I think he could have approached the conversation with more tact.

Being honest doesn't mean you have to be arrogant and try and belittle somebody else's opinion and beliefs.

:clap1: :clap1:


Amy you really still are my queen on this forum :love:



and i've sent you a visitor message btw

[sampvt]

Im going right off Andy, he is getting very opinionated and thinks he is above everyone in there. He stays well away from the strong characters and bitches about the weaker ones. He is a prime candidate for ''poor me'' card if he is put under pressure. He seems to have found his feet since alex, Chelsea and the other main house rejects have left. When these come back in, he will slide back into obscurity as he is a bit of a wimp.

[joeysteele]

I'm open to all this spiritual nonsense talk but I think everyone that's turning against Andy because of this is being incredibly over-sensitive.

Ditto for me.

Andy looked for other reasons those things could have happened from his perspective of being sceptical on such things, he wasn't really being rude he was just challenging Sam as to the possibility of other explanations.

Andy did also talk to Sam afterwards and explain why he said what he did and how he did.
For me that's commendable.

[StephenPullen]

Seemed a bit self-righteous IMO. I can see why he was dismissed... I mean, why he resigned from the BBC.

[starry]

:joker:

As usual with 'ghost' stories its All about the person telling. Its to make them more important in a group, to give them attention and allure.. A very human need.


That's a huge over-generalisation. How do you account for those who don't tell their stories? Or those who tell them because they feel the need to confide rather than be alone.

[Crimson Dynamo]

That's a huge over-generalisation. How do you account for those who don't tell their stories? Or those who tell them because they feel the need to confide rather than be alone.

Well how does anybody account for those who don't tell their stories ?

How do you know they exist?

[rionablue]

It gave Sam a bit of airtime sometimes I forget who he is a total waste of a housemate. That said Andy was trying to rationalise what Sams Mum believed was a sign. Personally I wouldn't do that. Let people believe what they want to believe and don't ridicule it. I have a different religion to most of my friends and we never try and convince each other to change what we believe. I don't think there was any need for Andy to scoff at Sams ghost story even if it seem far fetched

[Crimson Dynamo]

It gave Sam a bit of airtime sometimes I forget who he is a total waste of a housemate. That said Andy was trying to rationalise what Sams Mum believed was a sign. Personally I wouldn't do that. Let people believe what they want to believe and don't ridicule it. I have a different religion to most of my friends and we never try and convince each other to change what we believe. I don't think there was any need for Andy to scoff at Sams ghost story even if it seem far fetched

Andy did not scoff he just patiently explained that nothing supernatural happened and Sam threw a strop

[rusticgal]

Andy is entitled to his opinion....everyone sitting around taking it all in word for word with their mouths wide open!!
If you are someone who doesn't believe in that stuff then it's hard to sit and listen to without getting involved. He should have perhaps been a little less abrupt...but it's just Andys beliefs.
People get wound up on here that people don't speak up....and then they have a go if people don't say things to people's faces....
Good for Andy for saying his bit.

[Rob!]

He wasn't especially nice about it but I do kinda love how over it all Andy is already

[BigBrotherfan4ever]

Andy just had difference of opinion, & he said so, I don't see the big deal about it that everyone is making.

[Jamie89]

He's entitled to his opinion and his beliefs but there's a nice way of putting things across and a condescending arse way of putting things across. He seems like the kind of person who holds his own views above everyone else's and looks down on them for it. At least he apologised later on though... (right before nominations :rolleyes:)

[Crimson Dynamo]

He's entitled to his opinion and his beliefs but there's a nice way of putting things across and a condescending arse way of putting things across. He seems like the kind of person who holds his own views above everyone else's and looks down on them for it. At least he apologised later on though... (right before nominations :rolleyes:)

Yes unlike the diplomatic Sam

"are you calling my mum a liar?"


:rolleyes:

[Crimson Dynamo]

What is very dissapointing is that he was the only one there that had enough education not to sit and buy all the crapola

but :clap1: at Andy for nailing that bearded twat's fabrications

[Jamie89]

Yes unlike the diplomatic Sam

"are you calling my mum a liar?"


:rolleyes:

I wasn't comparing him to Sam, I was just sharing my thoughts on Andy. But yes, he seems like an idiot too. :hee:

[nonstop]

I'd love Andy to hijack all Ghost Haunting shows.

Yvette Fielding: "I'm getting something, it's a young girl who...

Andy: Bollocks MATE!

[Marsh.]

It's amazing how many sh*t Sam's they've had on BB over the years.

[hot2go]

If the ghost stories had been an isolated incident then Andy may not have found it quite so frustrating....but, as he already said, he's already listened to their inane superficial rubbish for two weeks....he's prob been waiting for them to talk about something other than fake tan, expensive cars and how important they are in the night club circuit and when they finally do it's about ghosts....he's starved of any intelligent conversation and prob resents the lot of em

[Mokka]

I like Andy but he comes across as thinking he's above everyone.

To be fair... with this cast he kinda is :shrug:

[armand.kay]

To be fair... with this cast he kinda is :shrug:

Meah I would have to disagree. Even if he was he doesn't need to act all pretentious and up himself it just isn't likeable. Also I don't know why he expected to have deep conversations with people he's known a week, everyone is still in that shallow convo stage of when you first meet people like I don't really open up to people until I'm comfortable. i mean I get his frustration with the likes of Marco but lateysha, Georgina and Jason all seem quite like people you can have a decent chat with.

[ConnieLingus]

No as I said and you've ignored, I think he could have approached the conversation with more tact.

Being honest doesn't mean you have to be arrogant and try and belittle somebody else's opinion and beliefs.

When someone's opinions and beliefs include believing in ghosties and poltergeists, their nonsense should be challenged and shown to be laughable.

If that is belittling them, then that is THEIR fault for being akin to illiterate airheads with no education.

Let's get rid of this bs where everyone has to give credence to anyone who has an uneducated opinion on the most basic subjects, even though their intellect makes them look as thick as a post.

Some people are too thick to voice opinions. Let's face it, and stop putting them all on BB.

[ConnieLingus]

It gave Sam a bit of airtime sometimes I forget who he is a total waste of a housemate. That said Andy was trying to rationalise what Sams Mum believed was a sign. Personally I wouldn't do that. Let people believe what they want to believe and don't ridicule it. I have a different religion to most of my friends and we never try and convince each other to change what we believe. I don't think there was any need for Andy to scoff at Sams ghost story even if it seem far fetched

And it was total s hite?

You religious types need to realise that other people think your delusions deserve to be shown up at times.

[Ammi]

..I like Andy, he's one of my favourites but it was just one of those conversations/stories that wasn't really to be taken seriously in the way that he did...

[hot2go]

Seemed a bit self-righteous IMO. I can see why he was dismissed... I mean, why he resigned from the BBC.

He has good reason to be self-righteous around sly unintelligent wannabes like Sam....I don't know how he waited 2 weeks before confronting the snidy little fraud ....I'm just surprised no one else has seen thru him......so far Andys one of the few who's honest and brave enough to confront anyone.
I'm also glad he didn't let Georgina get away with being two faced last night....id say he has balls but it don't think he even remotely feels nervous about doing it.

[hot2go]

Losing his job at the BBC backs up what a strong guy he is and it deserves respect but it's not relevant to his time in the house

[Beso]

should ghosts get a vote on eu

[hot2go]

Andy just had difference of opinion, & he said so, I don't see the big deal about it that everyone is making.

You're right, it isn't a big deal.....Andy was right .....imagine having two weeks of listening to Sams sh-t and knowing you could have another 6 weeks of listening to Sams **** ....I'm only surprised Andy waited two weeks ...i would have called him out on how foney he is within first few days.

[Amy Jade]

When someone's opinions and beliefs include believing in ghosties and poltergeists, their nonsense should be challenged and shown to be laughable.

If that is belittling them, then that is THEIR fault for being akin to illiterate airheads with no education.

Let's get rid of this bs where everyone has to give credence to anyone who has an uneducated opinion on the most basic subjects, even though their intellect makes them look as thick as a post.

Some people are too thick to voice opinions. Let's face it, and stop putting them all on BB.

It's the paranormal ffs plenty of people believe in it. I do myself and I'm far from thick and I dont believe Sam is either.

You seem as judgemental as Andy.

[BBDodge]

Andy came across as rude. It was a light-hearted discussion and he failed to match the mood of the house. His apology may have been sincere but nominations day is not the time to expect anyone to take that at face value.

However he lives to learn and fight another week.

[hot2go]

It's the paranormal ffs plenty of people believe in it. I do myself and I'm far from thick and I dont believe Sam is either.

You seem as judgemental as Andy.

Id imagine what grated on Andys nerves was less to do with the tail of unexplained phenomena and more to do with the exaggerated, attention seeking, insult to people's intelligence, delivery of the story .... only so much bull sh-t can be endured in a confined space.
They were all patronising Sam by pretending to believe him, but being the Snidey drama queen he is, he prefered the lie of their reaction to the truth of Andys....because he could get even more attention by storming off like some camp old diva.

[Ammi]

Andy came across as rude. It was a light-hearted discussion and he failed to match the mood of the house. His apology may have been sincere but nominations day is not the time to expect anyone to take that at face value.

However he lives to learn and fight another week.

..yeah, I think that it was one of those 'ghost swapping' conversations that many of us have had with friends at one time or another and not to be taken so seriously in the way he did...having said that, maybe in his similar conversations with friends, it's something he would challenge and spark discussions about so probably didn't mean it to be as a judgemental thing....

[Crimson Dynamo]

Id imagine what grated on Andys nerves was less to do with the tail of unexplained phenomena and more to do with the exaggerated, attention seeking, insult to people's intelligence, delivery of the story .... only so much bull sh-t can be endured in a confined space.
They were all patronising Sam by pretending to believe him, but being the Snidey drama queen he is, he prefered the lie of their reaction to the truth of Andys....because he could get even more attention by storming off like some camp old diva.

:clap1:

nailed it

[ConnieLingus]

It's the paranormal ffs plenty of people believe in it. I do myself and I'm far from thick and I dont believe Sam is either.

You seem as judgemental as Andy.

Plenty of people believe in the paranormal because they know nothing of science (which is a disgrace in itself).

The fact that you "believe n it" does not reflect well on you.

It is nonsense, and if you don't know that, you need to read a few more science articles.

Ghosties and spirits are made up nonsense with no evidence of their existence. They are not matters of opinion to be debated by the intellectually challenged.

[Garfie]

Well, I was brought up religious. I didn't swallow the pill though.

However I do have a spiritual side.

Science is fantastic and interesting. I love learning about the mechanics of everything in and around us. But I think it's quite possible that our interpretation and understanding of things is very superficial at best. Reality may be what we're allowed to see and understand. And that's our reality. Especially as we're left to understand and discover things on our own as a species. Giving us a sense of achievement and discovery and reinforcing the notion that our reality IS reality.

Like I say, maybe were allowed to discover things. Like a child discovering something for the first time is so convinced he's pioneering and feels sure he's made a discovery that no one else could have.

Bit like The Matrix.

That's just a thought though. Not an opinion.

I don't think I believe in God or God's. I sort of do believe in creation over evolution. There's no reason a long extinct race of aliens couldn't have sent out probes with the seed of everything we call life to terraform planets. Maybe they're still there.

Or maybe they're HERE! Lol.

Anyway I'll take off my tinfoil hat now lol.

Good post. This just shows you're open minded, rather than rigid in your thinking, and that is a great trait.

People have a different idea of reality, so what is reality? Sometimes I wonder if there is really only perception.

The fact is we do not know everything, and the human race changes its view of reality as it learns and discovers more, and evolves. There must be many things we have not discovered yet so who's to say what we might be able to prove in the future.

I like to have evidence in order to form an opinion and believe something, but that doesn't mean I dismiss the things we don't have evidence for, as we might discover it in the future.

[Garfie]

I'm not religious either. I'm more of an open mind and have come to my beliefs in a different manner.

Hey, people have differing views and POV's with the subject of the supernatural, but that is what makes it so interesting.

People can detest religion all people want (I'm not religious either), but there are people going so far as to murder and die for their beliefs. It might be good to sit . My point is there doesn't necessarily have to be a competition between the two, but maybe view it as a continuous learning experience. Science is fairly well proven in it's area but there's no reason to be completely closed to other contexts of what we see and physically experience.

Relax, we are here for the long haul. Education is a life-long thing so there is no reason to close off to other people's POV. It may not change your belief system and really who cares if it does. The point is you may learn something about your fellow man and that is why it doesn't really bother me.

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Excellent points, Maru. I love your posts as you really think about and consider what you're saying. I absolutely agree with what you say here.

[ConnieLingus]

Good post. This just shows you're open minded, rather than rigid in your thinking, and that is a great trait.

People have a different idea of reality, so what is reality? Sometimes I wonder if there is really only perception.

The fact is we do not know everything, and the human race changes its view of reality as it learns and discovers more, and evolves. There must be many things we have not discovered yet so who's to say what we might be able to prove in the future.

I like to have evidence in order to form an opinion and believe something, but that doesn't mean I dismiss the things we don't have evidence for, as we might discover it in the future.


You "like to have evidence in order to form an opinion and believe something", but you don't "dismiss the things we don't have evidence for".

The perfect example of the thinking of those who try to make religion work, or believe in superstitious claptrap like the para normal.

Read some books and get with the programme

[Garfie]

I thought of LT during the exchange :omgno: I liked that Andy said his piece he was just a little bit too superior in his view though and didn't put his point across well which was a shame, I think Se are seeing little snippets of bitchy Andy..opening the oven door as well

I think Andy was trying to open up the discussion to the opposing point of view, but he was tactless in the way he did this, which resulted in him shutting the conversation down.

Had he asked a question such as 'Do you think that sometimes the human mind can convince people they've experienced something they haven't?' or ' Could an alternative reason for that occurrence be.......?' he might have been more successful in opening the conversation up to the interesting debate he is craving.

I'm surprised that, as a journalist, who must have an excellent grasp of language and how it can be used effectively, he was unable to do this in this situation.

[Garfie]

No as I said and you've ignored, I think he could have approached the conversation with more tact.

Being honest doesn't mean you have to be arrogant and try and belittle somebody else's opinion and beliefs.

:clap1::clap1::clap1:

[ConnieLingus]

Had he asked a question such as 'Do you think that sometimes the human mind can convince people they've experienced something they haven't?' or ' Could an alternative reason for that occurrence be.......?' he might have been more successful in opening the conversation up to the interesting debate he is craving..

Funny enough, that's almost exactly what he did.

Did you miss that?

[Garfie]

You "like to have evidence in order to form an opinion and believe something", but you don't "dismiss the things we don't have evidence for".

The perfect example of the thinking of those who try to make religion work, or believe in superstitious claptrap like the para normal.

Read some books and get with the programme

:laugh2::facepalm:

You really don't have a clue! :laugh:

Funnily enough, I am not religious and I don't believe in the supernatural, but I am open-minded enough not to dismiss what other people believe.

Ironically, you've made the point yourself that scientists have a theory then search for the evidence, yet you contradict your own points!

And I have two degrees, am very well-educated and have read hundreds of books!

And I've come across plenty of insecure and immature little people who choose to insult as they don't have the intelligence to have a mature and informed discussion, so that's why I'm just laughing at your post and can't take you seriously!! :laugh:

[Garfie]

Funny enough, that's almost exactly what he did.

Did you miss that?

:laugh: Watch it again and get with the programme.

[Garfie]

Funny enough, that's almost exactly what he did.

Did you miss that?

:hehe:
Is that it!? Don't stop making posts to me, ConnieLingus! I'm finding your posts great entertainment and it'd be a shame if I can't have a good laugh before I get on with my day!!

[ConnieLingus]

:hehe:
Is that it!? Don't stop making posts to me, ConnieLingus! I'm finding your posts great entertainment and it'd be a shame if I can't have a good laugh before I get on with my day!!

Er, I'll try to do that. I won't stop making posts to you if it makes you happy in some way.

(PS...I don't have a clue what you are on about).

[ConnieLingus]

:laugh2::facepalm:



Ironically, you've made the point yourself that scientists have a theory then search for the evidence, yet you contradict your own points!

And I have two degrees, am very well-educated and have read hundreds of books!
:

1. I didn't contradict any points of mine, despite you having some agenda to suggest I did. Prove your stupid claim.

2. If you have 2 degrees, the taxpayer deserves a rebate for you wasting public funds.

I'm going to guess your degrees are in something like Social Services and Sociology.:dance: Hardly real degrees, unless you want to tell us otherwise.

[BBDodge]

I'm going to guess your degrees are in something like Social Services and Sociology.:dance: Hardly real degrees, unless you want to tell us otherwise.

Hey, don't knock degrees that begin Soci...

Dodge (BSc Social Biology)

[Nicky91]

what does Andy have against Sam? :conf:

[Garfie]

Er, I'll try to do that. I won't stop making posts to you if it makes you happy in some way.

(PS...I don't have a clue what you are on about).

Never mind. I'm sure you can't help it. Though, given the level of intelligence you have shown, I can understand you might find an intellectual discussion rather demanding. Don't beat yourself up about it though- we all have our limitations- you are obviously just one of those people who seem to struggle more than most.

If you haven't got a clue (your self awareness is admirable, by the way, as it would be exactly my analysis of your abilities) may I respectfully suggest you go and read a few books? It can help, you know.

Best of luck with your endeavours!

[Garfie]

1. I didn't contradict any points of mine, despite you having some agenda to suggest I did. Prove your stupid claim.

2. If you have 2 degrees, the taxpayer deserves a rebate for you wasting public funds.

I'm going to guess your degrees are in something like Social Services and Sociology.:dance: Hardly real degrees, unless you want to tell us otherwise.

Thank you for your kind response, ConnieLingus, and greatest apologies for taking quite so long to respond!

1. I would be insulting you by proving the obvious, unless you are suggesting you don't have the ability to recognise the obvious yourself. Have confidence that you can do this, ConnieLingus, as I believe your reluctance to try is more likely to be attention-seeking rather than inability. Take those blinkers off! You can do it! Grab a dictionary, look up the meaning of 'contradict', then re-read your posts. Remember, it is not merely enough to be able to spell and use words- you need to ensure that you understand their meaning, and can put them into context. Maybe grab yourself a thesaurus as well.

2. Oh, bless you! I am guessing you haven't achieved much success in your life, given the bitterness you are showing towards those who have, and to those who are leading a productive life, having extensive success in their careers, and who have earned great respect from all those around them. Jealousy is an ugly emotion, but it is advisable that you try to deal with it. You will feel so much better in yourself if you do.

3. Get yourself booked on an anger-management course. Your doctor should be able to help you with this. This might help you to tackle your underlying issues, reduce your bitterness and resentment and cope better with your failures in life. You should not be experiencing this level of anger and stress over a reality television show. Removing that chip you are carrying on your shoulder will alleviate the stress and tension you evidently experience.

4. Your lack of intelligence is revealing itself again; 'Social Services' is an organisation, not a degree subject. But never mind- it all sounds good, doesn't it, and that will give your ego a boost, even if it is short lived and followed by a period humiliation. Unfortunately, this can be a regular occurrence when you try to appear more intelligent than you are; eventually, you will catch yourself out. Always be aware of that.

Now, sadly, I have to go, ConnieLingus; unfortunately, I don't have any more time at the moment to indulge your insecurities (or indeed my humour!). However, you now have access to some very useful advice that will help you to tackle those underlying issues, if, of course, you have the courage to use that advice; yes, I know it will be challenging and potentially painful, but it will be more than worth it in the end.

I'm sure we can communicate again in the future in order to follow up your progress; indeed I would love to, as even though I shouldn't laugh, and I know it undermines your intentions, your comments and delivery do appeal so much to my sense of humour, and, therefore, I find you a bit of light relief from the more important and demanding things in life! :wavey:

[ConnieLingus]

Thank you for your kind response, ConnieLingus, and greatest apologies for taking quite so long to respond!

1. I would be insulting you by proving the obvious, unless you are suggesting you don't have the ability to recognise the obvious yourself. Have confidence that you can do this, ConnieLingus, as I believe your reluctance to try is more likely to be attention-seeking rather than inability. Take those blinkers off! You can do it! Grab a dictionary, look up the meaning of 'contradict', then re-read your posts. Remember, it is not merely enough to be able to spell and use words- you need to ensure that you understand their meaning, and can put them into context. Maybe grab yourself a thesaurus as well.

2. Oh, bless you! I am guessing you haven't achieved much success in your life, given the bitterness you are showing towards those who have, and to those who are leading a productive life, having extensive success in their careers, and who have earned great respect from all those around them. Jealousy is an ugly emotion, but it is advisable that you try to deal with it. You will feel so much better in yourself if you do.

3. Get yourself booked on an anger-management course. Your doctor should be able to help you with this. This might help you to tackle your underlying issues, reduce your bitterness and resentment and cope better with your failures in life. You should not be experiencing this level of anger and stress over a reality television show. Removing that chip you are carrying on your shoulder will alleviate the stress and tension you evidently experience.

4. Your lack of intelligence is revealing itself again; 'Social Services' is an organisation, not a degree subject. But never mind- it all sounds good, doesn't it, and that will give your ego a boost, even if it is short lived and followed by a period humiliation. Unfortunately, this can be a regular occurrence when you try to appear more intelligent than you are; eventually, you will catch yourself out. Always be aware of that.

Now, sadly, I have to go, ConnieLingus; unfortunately, I don't have any more time at the moment to indulge your insecurities (or indeed my humour!). However, you now have access to some very useful advice that will help you to tackle those underlying issues, if, of course, you have the courage to use that advice; yes, I know it will be challenging and potentially painful, but it will be more than worth it in the end.

I'm sure we can communicate again in the future in order to follow up your progress; indeed I would love to, as even though I shouldn't laugh, and I know it undermines your intentions, your comments and delivery do appeal so much to my sense of humour, and, therefore, I find you a bit of light relief from the more important and demanding things in life! :wavey:

OK, you utter bull****ter! :cheer2:

How the hell can someone fit so much k eech into one post without wretching? Go and get a job or a life....or preferably both.

[Clootie Dumpling]

Thanks, Garfie & Connie, for such an entertaining diversion! :)

[Garfie]

Thanks, Garfie & Connie, for such an entertaining diversion! :)

:wink:

[Garfie]

OK, you utter bull****ter! :cheer2:

How the hell can someone fit so much k eech into one post without wretching? Go and get a job or a life....or preferably both.

Oh dear, ConnieLingus! Here comes that anger and resentment again! You didn't follow the advice, did you? :nono:

'K eech'? :laugh: Oh dear, oh dear......:facepalm: Is this yet another indication of your lack of education? I suggest, yet again, you go read some books, and invest in that dictionary I was telling you about!

As I already have both a successful career, and a very full life, your cliched advice is of no use to me, but your efforts are recognised. However, if you feel the need to make further suggestions, could you at least try to make them slightly original?

Now, run along to the dole office, ConnieLingus, and put your signature where necessary.... However, if that seems a bit challenging, just ask someone to point out the relevant place, and put an X instead of a signature! :wavey: