Is he really the victim here?

[GiRTh]

What do you think?

[armand.kay]

Both of them have been put in a situation that is less than ideal. Don't think either of them is the victim but I do feel more sorry for Charlie.

[GiRTh]

I'm sure I've spotted him looking at the camera a couple of times when she has tried to snuggle up to him. There is something a bit cynical Jason. Few relationships are as one sided as this seems.

[Speedster]

NO!! he's ********** not. He's a grown man who should know how handle himself but because stone age attitudes to women, Charlie is getting the lion's share of the blame. Hmmm where have we see that before I wonder...

[Vicky.]

Yes. he is in a horrible horrible situation. He really can't do right for doing wrong here. His options are

1. Completely **** her off. Come across a douche on TV, risk being hated for not comforting the poor woman who is desperate for his dick.

2. Do what he is doing now, which seems to be ignoring the situation as much as he can and hoping it goes away. Short of her being evicted on friday, this isn't happening

3. Get back together with her on the show, **** her off on the outside. Risk the stories being sold about how he used her and/or has trouble getting shot of her again.

4. Get back together with her on the show, continue the relationship outside despite not wanting to...and go through what he went through the first time. We don't know quite how toxic the relationship was, but its quite easy to guess from the snippets we have

He tried option 5 already by saying they would talk outside but there is no relationship in the house. this was ignored.

[Jordan.]

I think people forget she didn't know he was in there either, she hasn't gone in intentionally to try win him back on TV.

[LukeB]

None are victims

[Vicky.]

I think people forget she didn't know he was in there either, she hasn't gone in intentionally to try win him back on TV.

I don't believe this for one second

However, I don't blame Charlie for it either tbh. I blame BB. I don't think they should have opened up this hornets nest at all. Its not entertaining...its mean

[Ninastar]

I don't believe this for one second

However, I don't blame Charlie for it either tbh. I blame BB. I don't think they should have opened up this hornets nest at all. Its not entertaining...its mean

I totally agree as per, vicky. you just made me realise who i'm gonna vote for in my last nom this week <3

[Rustic bauble]

Well he seems like a nice guy...Charlie has admitted she was nasty confirming what Jason has said.
She is desperate to get him back and prepared to fight tooth and nail to get what she wants...
I think it's a bit Katie Price/Peter Andre scenario. He's a great guy and she took advantage thinking she was the dogs bollocks...and could get away with murder. Now he has dumped her she realises she didn't appreciate him for what he was...

That's how I see it....because I personally wouldn't fight tooth or nail for someone who doesn't want me unless I knew I had been a complete and utter bitch...which is exactly what she has admitted.

[armand.kay]

I think people forget she didn't know he was in there either, she hasn't gone in intentionally to try win him back on TV.

This! Thinking about it Charlie has got the short end of the stick because no matter what he does Jason will come off as the hero and Charlie as the 'bunny boiler'...

[GiRTh]

This! Thinking about it Charlie has got the short end of the stick because no matter what he does Jason will come off as the hero and Charlie as the 'bunny boiler'...Exactly. Hence the questions I'm posing. I dont think she can win either way :shrug:.

[rionablue]

None of them are 'victims' they are both mature adults that were in a rather tempestuous relationship. From what I can gather Charlies neediness possesivement and jealousy turned Jason off her (now that is only HIS side of the story but he has aired it to some of the housemates). Charlie was put in there just like the other partners to try and stir the pot.

What Charlie should have done was play it cool. NOT SAY JASON I LOVE YOU TAKE ME BACK when she was revealed as one of the others. She could say she was Jasons ex alright but not be pleading with him. When she went into the main house yes of course give Jason a hug or ask him how he has been doing but then MINGLE with the others and not be CLINGING to Jason like a limpet. He should have been clearer with her also and said 'Hey lets enjoy the experience with the other housemates and we will talk at some stage'. Charlie is behaving like a teenage girl who wants to keep her boyfriend in line so he wont look at other women. SHE needs to GROW up and HE NEEDS to be STRAIGHT WITH HER

[Vicky.]

Exactly. Hence the questions I'm posing. I dont think she can win either way :shrug:.

She could have, if she didn't come on so bloody strong :laugh: Dropping it now would probably gain a bit of popularity for her tbh. Spent the first few days going on about her bastard ex...and now is all over him like a rash.

I preferred her beforehand tbh. came across a very strong woman, a woman scorned, but a strong woman none the less. What we are seeing now, I don't want to see. This isn't particularly her *fault* as shes head over heels...I just don't want to see it and think jason is in a way worse position than she is.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Poor Charlie

[GiRTh]

She could have, if she didn't come on so bloody strong :laugh: Dropping it now would probably gain a bit of popularity for her tbh. Spent the first few days going on about her bastard ex...and now is all over him like a rash.

I preferred her beforehand tbh. came across a very strong woman, a woman scorned, but a strong woman none the less. What we are seeing now, I don't want to see. This isn't particularly her *fault* as shes head over heels...I just don't want to see it and think jason is in a way worse position than she is.Agree with you, but I think Jason cant lose . He'll be gallant no matter waht but I think there is a cynical side to him for sure. He seems more concerned with how he looks than how she feels.

They both admit she takes most of the blame for the relationship failure but theres a part of me that, kind of, admires her for still pursuing him. She needs to back off a bit but I cant see this ending well for her yet I see him coming out a hero.

[Razor]

He just wants to get away from her, nothing wrong with that.

[hot2go]

BB didn't put partners or friends together ... They put 3 stalkers in the house ... Charlie, Jayne and Ryan ... The women's behaviour and response appears to back that up .., however Ryan does not seem as guilty as was thought at start ... I'm no fan of his but I have watched him closely and I don't see any indication that what Sam accused him of is true ... I think just Sam expects every gay guy to want to be like him.... he's a snidely bloke

[tanussa]

charlie should back off & keep some dignity. its real bad to throw yourself at someone who clearly isnt interested

[bananarama]

What do you think?

No. He is behaving like a childish whimp. Unable to have a mature conversation with her. Hope the so called BB fans are not silly enough to vote her out and kill off a storyline

I want to see the whimp suffer keep her in.

[Mokka]

I think Big Brother is at fault for putting them both in this situation... And I still have my suspicions as to whether they were both aware of it based on the amount of footage ahead of time that Production has of them talking about each other and the relationship...

But, assuming my suspicions are wrong, Charlie has admitted to being the destroyer of their relationship out side of the house.... Jason has only said things about her in the relationship that she herself has confirmed in her own words away from him... Jason knew she had applied for the show previously, and was up front from the beginning that she would be the last thing he wanted to see in the house, where as she is more than happy to exploit their past relationship for the show... Jason clearly is walking a tight rope now trying to keep things amicable until one of them leaves, not wanting to lead her on but not wanting to trigger her wrath which he clearly lives in fear of.

So assuming it isn't all an elaboratly produced scam.... Jason is the only victim of this situation.

[Lister of Smeg]

Jason can't really win in this situation he's trying to let her down gently but she isn't taking the hint he has massively underestimated how much she's obsessed with him.

[jennyjuniper]

Anyone who is on the wrong end of a 'bunny boiler' mentality is a victim and Charlie seems to be the bunny boiler type. If she has issues with rage, jealousy etc., she would do better to address them, before getting into a relationship with Jason or anyone else.

[Kazanne]

:clap1::clap1:Yes. he is in a horrible horrible situation. He really can't do right for doing wrong here. His options are

1. Completely **** her off. Come across a douche on TV, risk being hated for not comforting the poor woman who is desperate for his dick.

2. Do what he is doing now, which seems to be ignoring the situation as much as he can and hoping it goes away. Short of her being evicted on friday, this isn't happening

3. Get back together with her on the show, **** her off on the outside. Risk the stories being sold about how he used her and/or has trouble getting shot of her again.

4. Get back together with her on the show, continue the relationship outside despite not wanting to...and go through what he went through the first time. We don't know quite how toxic the relationship was, but its quite easy to guess from the snippets we have

He tried option 5 already by saying they would talk outside but there is no relationship in the house. this was ignored.

:clap1::clap1::clap1:

[Josy]

Yes. he is in a horrible horrible situation. He really can't do right for doing wrong here. His options are

1. Completely **** her off. Come across a douche on TV, risk being hated for not comforting the poor woman who is desperate for his dick.

2. Do what he is doing now, which seems to be ignoring the situation as much as he can and hoping it goes away. Short of her being evicted on friday, this isn't happening

3. Get back together with her on the show, **** her off on the outside. Risk the stories being sold about how he used her and/or has trouble getting shot of her again.

4. Get back together with her on the show, continue the relationship outside despite not wanting to...and go through what he went through the first time. We don't know quite how toxic the relationship was, but its quite easy to guess from the snippets we have

He tried option 5 already by saying they would talk outside but there is no relationship in the house. this was ignored.

Basically this.

I do feel for Charlie though, it must be hard for her if she really does want him back so badly.

Jason is the victim though imo because he struggled to break off the relationship, he got on BB as a proper housemate and probably thought that would get him much needed time away from Charlie too them boom, she's there with him in an enclosed environment, needs constant reassurance by the looks of things and I imagine it will ruin his experience in the house.

[Kazanne]

I wondered how long it would be before people tried to pin something on Jason,lol,no links,no proof,the guy seems normal and we cant have that,he cant be that bad if Charlie is so desperate to get him back,he is trying to let her down gently and it's not hard to be caught on camera they are everywhere.

[Parmy]

she'll be telling him she's pregnant next.

[Nicky91]

Jason playing the victim role, i'm not his fan anymore

[kirklancaster]

YES - He is the victim.

No one really knows just WHAT Jason and Charlie's 'relationship' was really like, but from what we do know of their respective pasts and from what we are witnessing on BB - He is the victim.

By her OWN admissions, Charlie Doherty is an ex-stripper who claims that she "loves to be loved" but is a 'serial cheat' who has "been unfaithful in the majority of her past relationships".

By contrast, Jason is a relatively successful business owner and part-time actor and body double, who - despite being a powerfully built physically tough 'hard man' - is, by his own admission, "a softie" whom is regarded by those who know him as; "just a big marshmallow with a pet ****zu."

I believe Charlie to be a 'gold-digger' who - like all such women - has no qualms about 'trading' the only 'asset' which she possesses, her body (nothing to write home about there IMHO) for 'La Dolce Vita' -- courtesy of some gullible guy.

I believe that in Jason, she thought she had hit 'pay dirt' - a relatively well off, stable man who, because of his polite, soft-hearted, and submissive demeanour was malleable and 'putty in her hands'.

I further believe that having hit the 'mother lode' she was paranoid about losing it, and her self-admitted jealousy quickly caused the relationship to become toxic.

She admits that she did not "treat Jason nicely" and to being the reason for the breakdown of their relationship.

I recognise only too well that look of embarrassed sufferance and helplessness which poor Jason wears when hammy actress Charlie is bullying him with her - clearly fake - displays of weeping and wailing heartbreak because it is the same look I once wore.

I was in a very toxic relationship with a beautiful girl who DID love me totally but whose irrational insecurities eventually caused me to end the relationship.

Every time any woman - of any age - even looked at me, or if girls who were my long-standing friends that I had never had any type of intimate relationship with, stopped to say 'Hello', my girlfriend's face would drop and she would start the mother of all arguments.

How I squirmed with embarrassment - just like poor Jason.

It ended up that when I was out with my girlfriend and I spotted any female friends approaching, I would deliberately cross the street or pretend to look in shop windows to avoid any contact and the inevitable rows which followed.

So - yes - in my opinion, Jason is a victim and I will replicate here what I have posted on another thread:

"Charlie - Someone contact the Vatican - URGENTLY - we are all witnessing a true miracle; an hysterically weeping heartbroken woman but NO SIGN OF TEARS.

Poor Jason is too chivalrous and kind to deter her harrassment of him with the degree of nastiness and force which he AND she both know is necessary, and so this poor gentle man squirms with embarrassed acceptance while the hammy actress bullies him.

She is pathetic, and needs to retreat to a quiet corner of the house, adopt the 'Lotus' position and contemplate the words; Dignity and Self-Respect."

[Cherry Christmas]

I'm sure I've spotted him looking at the camera a couple of times when she has tried to snuggle up to him. There is something a bit cynical Jason. Few relationships are as one sided as this seems.

Yes :clap2: he looked straight down the lens a few times last night, I am not buying this at all, he is being paid to be in there to cause drama ( and possibly her as well), he works in the movie business and he is hamming it up. Why did he sit through the lap dance is that not giving her the wrong idea :umm2:

[hot2go]

Womens tears in the BB house are nearly always a tool of complete manipulation. They don't cry like vulnerable little victims after the show, they're usually hard as nails with a ruthless approach to everything they do.
There is nothing Jason could do that would make me think she's the victim.... She's playing games with him and everyone watching.

Why does ' no means no ' only apply to girls.
He's said no, that her queue to back the f-ck off.

Anything other than backing off is sexual harassment and emotional entrapment.

[Cherry Christmas]

Womens tears in the BB house are nearly always a tool of complete manipulation. They don't cry like vulnerable little victims after the show, they're usually hard as nails with a ruthless approach to everything they do.
There is nothing Jason could do that would make me think she's the victim.... She's playing games with him and everyone watching.

Why does ' no means no ' only apply to girls.
He's said no, that her queue to back the f-ck off.
L
Anything other than backing off is sexual harassment and emotional entrapment.

Completely agree with this as well...I'm fighting to get you back..what 30 year old woman carries on like that, they are embarrassing themselves in there, it's the most ridiculous story line ever

[Nicky91]

Womens tears in the BB house are nearly always a tool of complete manipulation. They don't cry like vulnerable little victims after the show, they're usually hard as nails with a ruthless approach to everything they do.
There is nothing Jason could do that would make me think she's the victim.... She's playing games with him and everyone watching.

Why does ' no means no ' only apply to girls.
He's said no, that her queue to back the f-ck off.

Anything other than backing off is sexual harassment and emotional entrapment.

yeah i also don't like Charlie



btw i sent you a pm :)

[hot2go]

When Laura said Marco wouldnt take no for an answer some people called him a predator ... Even tho the silly cow had her legs wrapped round him again 2 hours later.

But when Jason said Charlie won't take no for an answer those same people say he's playing the victim.

A lot of sexism taking place. One rule for girls and another one for men.

[Cherry Christmas]

When Laura said Marco wouldnt take no for an answer some people called him a predator ... Even tho the silly cow had her legs wrapped round him again 2 hours later.

But when Jason said Charlie won't take no for an answer those same people say he's playing the victim.

A lot of sexism taking place. One rule for girls and another one for men.


hot2go spilling the truth tea :hee:

[sampvt]

YES - He is the victim.

No one really knows just WHAT Jason and Charlie's 'relationship' was really like, but from what we do know of their respective pasts and from what we are witnessing on BB - He is the victim.

By her OWN admissions, Charlie Doherty is an ex-stripper who claims that she "loves to be loved" but is a 'serial cheat' who has "been unfaithful in the majority of her past relationships".

By contrast, Jason is a relatively successful business owner and part-time actor and body double, who - despite being a powerfully built physically tough 'hard man' - is, by his own admission, "a softie" whom is regarded by those who know him as; "just a big marshmallow with a pet ****zu."

I believe Charlie to be a 'gold-digger' who - like all such women - has no qualms about 'trading' the only 'asset' which she possesses, her body (nothing to write home about there IMHO) for 'La Dolce Vita' -- courtesy of some gullible guy.

I believe that in Jason, she thought she had hit 'pay dirt' - a relatively well off, stable man who, because of his polite, soft-hearted, and submissive demeanour was malleable and 'putty in her hands'.

I further believe that having hit the 'mother lode' she was paranoid about losing it, and her self-admitted jealousy quickly caused the relationship to become toxic.

She admits that she did not "treat Jason nicely" and to being the reason for the breakdown of their relationship.

I recognise only too well that look of embarrassed sufferance and helplessness which poor Jason wears when hammy actress Charlie is bullying him with her - clearly fake - displays of weeping and wailing heartbreak because it is the same look I once wore.

I was in a very toxic relationship with a beautiful girl who DID love me totally but whose irrational insecurities eventually caused me to end the relationship.

Every time any woman - of any age - even looked at me, or if girls who were my long-standing friends that I had never had any type of intimate relationship with, stopped to say 'Hello', my girlfriend's face would drop and she would start the mother of all arguments.

How I squirmed with embarrassment - just like poor Jason.

It ended up that when I was out with my girlfriend and I spotted any female friends approaching, I would deliberately cross the street or pretend to look in shop windows to avoid any contact and the inevitable rows which followed.

So - yes - in my opinion, Jason is a victim and I will replicate here what I have posted on another thread:

"Charlie - Someone contact the Vatican - URGENTLY - we are all witnessing a true miracle; an hysterically weeping heartbroken woman but NO SIGN OF TEARS.

Poor Jason is too chivalrous and kind to deter her harrassment of him with the degree of nastiness and force which he AND she both know is necessary, and so this poor gentle man squirms with embarrassed acceptance while the hammy actress bullies him.

She is pathetic, and needs to retreat to a quiet corner of the house, adopt the 'Lotus' position and contemplate the words; Dignity and Self-Respect."

Best post this week

[Nicky91]

Best post this week

also one of the longest posts this week :hee:

[sampvt]

also one of the longest posts this week :hee:

sometimes facts need to be strung out to tell the full picture and if Kirk spent time on a well thought out and logical post, he needs to be congratulated, not slated. Some people have literary skills, some don't.

[hot2go]

Sam and Jason both say their lives have been invaded by stalking behaviour ... It's good to now have the comparison of those alleged stalkers..

Charlie is dosplaying some classic hall marks of an obsessive. But Ryan has not shown any. He's not once shown anything but complete indifference to Sam.

I think Sam made all that up and Ryan's anger at Sans VT was genuine.

[Kazanne]

Yes :clap2: he looked straight down the lens a few times last night, I am not buying this at all, he is being paid to be in there to cause drama ( and possibly her as well), he works in the movie business and he is hamming it up. Why did he sit through the lap dance is that not giving her the wrong idea :umm2:

But how would we know he wasn't looking into a mirror with a camera behind it? you are being very cynical Cherie bon,bon.:laugh:

[hot2go]

YES - He is the victim.

No one really knows just WHAT Jason and Charlie's 'relationship' was really like, but from what we do know of their respective pasts and from what we are witnessing on BB - He is the victim.

By her OWN admissions, Charlie Doherty is an ex-stripper who claims that she "loves to be loved" but is a 'serial cheat' who has "been unfaithful in the majority of her past relationships".

By contrast, Jason is a relatively successful business owner and part-time actor and body double, who - despite being a powerfully built physically tough 'hard man' - is, by his own admission, "a softie" whom is regarded by those who know him as; "just a big marshmallow with a pet ****zu."

I believe Charlie to be a 'gold-digger' who - like all such women - has no qualms about 'trading' the only 'asset' which she possesses, her body (nothing to write home about there IMHO) for 'La Dolce Vita' -- courtesy of some gullible guy.

I believe that in Jason, she thought she had hit 'pay dirt' - a relatively well off, stable man who, because of his polite, soft-hearted, and submissive demeanour was malleable and 'putty in her hands'.

I further believe that having hit the 'mother lode' she was paranoid about losing it, and her self-admitted jealousy quickly caused the relationship to become toxic.

She admits that she did not "treat Jason nicely" and to being the reason for the breakdown of their relationship.

I recognise only too well that look of embarrassed sufferance and helplessness which poor Jason wears when hammy actress Charlie is bullying him with her - clearly fake - displays of weeping and wailing heartbreak because it is the same look I once wore.

I was in a very toxic relationship with a beautiful girl who DID love me totally but whose irrational insecurities eventually caused me to end the relationship.

Every time any woman - of any age - even looked at me, or if girls who were my long-standing friends that I had never had any type of intimate relationship with, stopped to say 'Hello', my girlfriend's face would drop and she would start the mother of all arguments.

How I squirmed with embarrassment - just like poor Jason.

It ended up that when I was out with my girlfriend and I spotted any female friends approaching, I would deliberately cross the street or pretend to look in shop windows to avoid any contact and the inevitable rows which followed.

So - yes - in my opinion, Jason is a victim and I will replicate here what I have posted on another thread:

"Charlie - Someone contact the Vatican - URGENTLY - we are all witnessing a true miracle; an hysterically weeping heartbroken woman but NO SIGN OF TEARS.

Poor Jason is too chivalrous and kind to deter her harrassment of him with the degree of nastiness and force which he AND she both know is necessary, and so this poor gentle man squirms with embarrassed acceptance while the hammy actress bullies him.

She is pathetic, and needs to retreat to a quiet corner of the house, adopt the 'Lotus' position and contemplate the words; Dignity and Self-Respect."

We've had hardly any posts on Jason so far, good to have one from someone who's had first hand experience of what Jason's going through. Thanks for being brave enough to share that with us.
Steve.

[Kazanne]

YES - He is the victim.

No one really knows just WHAT Jason and Charlie's 'relationship' was really like, but from what we do know of their respective pasts and from what we are witnessing on BB - He is the victim.

By her OWN admissions, Charlie Doherty is an ex-stripper who claims that she "loves to be loved" but is a 'serial cheat' who has "been unfaithful in the majority of her past relationships".

By contrast, Jason is a relatively successful business owner and part-time actor and body double, who - despite being a powerfully built physically tough 'hard man' - is, by his own admission, "a softie" whom is regarded by those who know him as; "just a big marshmallow with a pet ****zu."

I believe Charlie to be a 'gold-digger' who - like all such women - has no qualms about 'trading' the only 'asset' which she possesses, her body (nothing to write home about there IMHO) for 'La Dolce Vita' -- courtesy of some gullible guy.

I believe that in Jason, she thought she had hit 'pay dirt' - a relatively well off, stable man who, because of his polite, soft-hearted, and submissive demeanour was malleable and 'putty in her hands'.

I further believe that having hit the 'mother lode' she was paranoid about losing it, and her self-admitted jealousy quickly caused the relationship to become toxic.

She admits that she did not "treat Jason nicely" and to being the reason for the breakdown of their relationship.

I recognise only too well that look of embarrassed sufferance and helplessness which poor Jason wears when hammy actress Charlie is bullying him with her - clearly fake - displays of weeping and wailing heartbreak because it is the same look I once wore.

I was in a very toxic relationship with a beautiful girl who DID love me totally but whose irrational insecurities eventually caused me to end the relationship.

Every time any woman - of any age - even looked at me, or if girls who were my long-standing friends that I had never had any type of intimate relationship with, stopped to say 'Hello', my girlfriend's face would drop and she would start the mother of all arguments.

How I squirmed with embarrassment - just like poor Jason.

It ended up that when I was out with my girlfriend and I spotted any female friends approaching, I would deliberately cross the street or pretend to look in shop windows to avoid any contact and the inevitable rows which followed.

So - yes - in my opinion, Jason is a victim and I will replicate here what I have posted on another thread:

"Charlie - Someone contact the Vatican - URGENTLY - we are all witnessing a true miracle; an hysterically weeping heartbroken woman but NO SIGN OF TEARS.

Poor Jason is too chivalrous and kind to deter her harrassment of him with the degree of nastiness and force which he AND she both know is necessary, and so this poor gentle man squirms with embarrassed acceptance while the hammy actress bullies him.

She is pathetic, and needs to retreat to a quiet corner of the house, adopt the 'Lotus' position and contemplate the words; Dignity and Self-Respect."

:clap1: Great post Kirk,said as it is,love reading your stuff.:cheer2:

[Kazanne]

also one of the longest posts this week :hee:

Great post though,I like something I can read,Kirk tells it as it is.

[Kazanne]

When Laura said Marco wouldnt take no for an answer some people called him a predator ... Even tho the silly cow had her legs wrapped round him again 2 hours later.

But when Jason said Charlie won't take no for an answer those same people say he's playing the victim.

A lot of sexism taking place. One rule for girls and another one for men.

As I recall hot2go,Laura wanted them to just be friends and Marco accepted that and never went there again until laura made it quite clear she wanted him there AGAIN,that woman has more faces than Big Ben:wavey:

[Nicky91]

Great post though,I like something I can read,Kirk tells it as it is.

yeah, Kirk is also a good friend to me on the forum, just like you are :clap1:

[ebandit]

....if they were not such fame hungry wannabes....one would have sense

....to walk away...

Mark L

[TT350]

If one person loves another and it isn't reciprocated then usually the person who DOES feel love will go to any lengths, for a while, to get the other person back. Especially if the other person DID love them.

So you can get into silly, humiliating behaviour like crying and begging. I know. I have been there and done it!

Yeah its annoying to watch. But also like others have said, Jason has been thrust into a situation where he's cooped up with her. He'd already moved on now he's having to rehash something that to him is done and dusted. So he comes across as disinterested. I think he's trying his best given the situation.

[GiRTh]

I wondered how long it would be before people tried to pin something on Jason,lol,no links,no proof,the guy seems normal and we cant have that,he cant be that bad if Charlie is so desperate to get him back,he is trying to let her down gently and it's not hard to be caught on camera they are everywhere.So can we not even discuss the relationship or is that trying to pin something on Jason?

Both of them say she was to blame for the relationship failure so I'm simply asking if the forum think its as one sided as is being presented.

[sampvt]

You don't need to be a behaviour scientist to see whats going on here. All you need is a comfy chair, a cup of tea, a big tv and 20 20 vision. Its plain the woman is desperate and will go to all lengths to get her man and she is using bB to get it. BB has no right to place Jason in a stalker situation which is what they are doing.

[hot2go]

As I recall hot2go,Laura wanted them to just be friends and Marco accepted that and never went there again until laura made it quite clear she wanted him there AGAIN,that woman has more faces than Big Ben:wavey:

:laugh::laugh:

One big difference between Laura and Big Ben though...,not everyone's been up Big Ben :laugh:

[Tom4784]

He needs to be firm with her, he's kind of sending mixed signals at the moment. If he truly wants to put their relationship on ice until after they leave the house then he needs to commit to it. He can't tell her one thing and then get lap dances from her a few hours later.

He's trying to let her down gently but he needs to make a decision and stick to it because he's doing her no favours by being wishy washy about it.

[hot2go]

He needs to be firm with her, he's kind of sending mixed signals at the moment. If he truly wants to put their relationship on ice until after they leave the house then he needs to commit to it. He can't tell her one thing and then get lap dances from her a few hours later.

He's trying to let her down gently but he needs to make a decision and stick to it because he's doing her no favours by being wishy washy about it.

I think he may know something we don't know ...and may be protecting her from a public meltdown that could finish her.

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

He needs to be firm with her, he's kind of sending mixed signals at the moment. If he truly wants to put their relationship on ice until after they leave the house then he needs to commit to it. He can't tell her one thing and then get lap dances from her a few hours later.

He's trying to let her down gently but he needs to make a decision and stick to it because he's doing her no favours by being wishy washy about it.

This! I agree 100%. He needs to tell her that it's over and he's not interested.

[GiRTh]

He needs to be firm with her, he's kind of sending mixed signals at the moment. If he truly wants to put their relationship on ice until after they leave the house then he needs to commit to it. He can't tell her one thing and then get lap dances from her a few hours later.

He's trying to let her down gently but he needs to make a decision and stick to it because he's doing her no favours by being wishy washy about it.Agree. I do think that even if he does this she will still look desperate. I kind of feel sorry for her as I dont think there is any way she can look good coming out of this relationship.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

I think he thinks, after i get out of here I will have a lot of birds after me and I am going to have fun choosing -

as foe Chaz well he has done her..next

[-Sue-]

I think he thinks, after i get out of here I will have a lot of birds after me and I am going to have fun choosing -

as foe Chaz well he has done her..next

I don't think that at all .. i think he is very guarded.. careful with what he says..I think he puts on a brave front but deep down is a big softie...

He does however need to improve in his choices of types of women.. less by looks (stripper) more by personality / not a bunny boiler ;)

[kirklancaster]

Best post this week

Thank you Sam, coming from one who I regard as THE expert on BB, that is one huge compliment.

[kirklancaster]

We've had hardly any posts on Jason so far, good to have one from someone who's had first hand experience of what Jason's going through. Thanks for being brave enough to share that with us.
Steve.

Thanks Hot2Go - I appreciate it.

[kirklancaster]

:clap1: Great post Kirk,said as it is,love reading your stuff.:cheer2:

Thank you my beautiful blonde.

(I am just so relieved you still love me after my attacks on Dave :laugh: - I am still all Gerard though. :hee:)

:flowers::kiss::kiss:

[Christmas Dynasnow]

I don't think that at all .. i think he is very guarded.. careful with what he says..I think he puts on a brave front but deep down is a big softie...

He does however need to improve in his choices of types of women.. less by looks (stripper) more by personality / not a bunny boiler ;)

also not one 17 years his junior

[-Sue-]

also not one 17 years his junior

LOL:joker:


He could do so much better ... hell i'd invade the house and carry him out with a firemans lift..'offcer and a gent style' cuff him to my sink and he could be my new dishwasher ;) in a mankini

[jennyjuniper]

sometimes facts need to be strung out to tell the full picture and if Kirk spent time on a well thought out and logical post, he needs to be congratulated, not slated. Some people have literary skills, some don't.

I agree. Mainly because he usually says what I am thinking and saves me a heck of a lot of typing.:hee:

[kirklancaster]

I agree. Mainly because he usually says what I am thinking and saves me a heck of a lot of typing.:hee:

Great minds uh Jenny? :hee: Thank you love.

[Rustic bauble]

YES - He is the victim.

No one really knows just WHAT Jason and Charlie's 'relationship' was really like, but from what we do know of their respective pasts and from what we are witnessing on BB - He is the victim.

By her OWN admissions, Charlie Doherty is an ex-stripper who claims that she "loves to be loved" but is a 'serial cheat' who has "been unfaithful in the majority of her past relationships".

By contrast, Jason is a relatively successful business owner and part-time actor and body double, who - despite being a powerfully built physically tough 'hard man' - is, by his own admission, "a softie" whom is regarded by those who know him as; "just a big marshmallow with a pet ****zu."

I believe Charlie to be a 'gold-digger' who - like all such women - has no qualms about 'trading' the only 'asset' which she possesses, her body (nothing to write home about there IMHO) for 'La Dolce Vita' -- courtesy of some gullible guy.

I believe that in Jason, she thought she had hit 'pay dirt' - a relatively well off, stable man who, because of his polite, soft-hearted, and submissive demeanour was malleable and 'putty in her hands'.

I further believe that having hit the 'mother lode' she was paranoid about losing it, and her self-admitted jealousy quickly caused the relationship to become toxic.

She admits that she did not "treat Jason nicely" and to being the reason for the breakdown of their relationship.

I recognise only too well that look of embarrassed sufferance and helplessness which poor Jason wears when hammy actress Charlie is bullying him with her - clearly fake - displays of weeping and wailing heartbreak because it is the same look I once wore.

I was in a very toxic relationship with a beautiful girl who DID love me totally but whose irrational insecurities eventually caused me to end the relationship.

Every time any woman - of any age - even looked at me, or if girls who were my long-standing friends that I had never had any type of intimate relationship with, stopped to say 'Hello', my girlfriend's face would drop and she would start the mother of all arguments.

How I squirmed with embarrassment - just like poor Jason.

It ended up that when I was out with my girlfriend and I spotted any female friends approaching, I would deliberately cross the street or pretend to look in shop windows to avoid any contact and the inevitable rows which followed.

So - yes - in my opinion, Jason is a victim and I will replicate here what I have posted on another thread:

"Charlie - Someone contact the Vatican - URGENTLY - we are all witnessing a true miracle; an hysterically weeping heartbroken woman but NO SIGN OF TEARS.

Poor Jason is too chivalrous and kind to deter her harrassment of him with the degree of nastiness and force which he AND she both know is necessary, and so this poor gentle man squirms with embarrassed acceptance while the hammy actress bullies him.

She is pathetic, and needs to retreat to a quiet corner of the house, adopt the 'Lotus' position and contemplate the words; Dignity and Self-Respect."

Brilliant post....totally agree with your point. :wavey:

[Kazanne]

:laugh::laugh:

One big difference between Laura and Big Ben though...,not everyone's been up Big Ben :laugh:

:joker::joker::joker: Good one hot2go

[Kazanne]

Thank you my beautiful blonde.

(I am just so relieved you still love me after my attacks on Dave :laugh: - I am still all Gerard though. :hee:)

:flowers::kiss::kiss:

As if I'de chose Dave over you Kirk ,as for Gerard nothing needs to be said :creep::lovedup:

[Kazanne]

I think he may know something we don't know ...and may be protecting her from a public meltdown that could finish her.

He does seem worried about if she flips and I thought the same as you hot2go:wavey:

[kirklancaster]

Brilliant post....totally agree with your point. :wavey:

Hi Rusticgal - Sincere thanks for the compliment. I really do appreciate it. :wavey:

[kirklancaster]

As if I'de chose Dave over you Kirk ,as for Gerard nothing needs to be said :creep::lovedup:

Phewww!!! :laugh: :dance::dance::cheer2::lovedup:

[hot2go]

He does seem worried about if she flips and I thought the same as you hot2go:wavey:

He's a decent guy...he looks out for all of them....he may have reservations about going back out with Charlie but he clearly still cares for her and he is not gonna give BB what they want ...he's not gonna incite trouble that cud result in her being ridiculed or disgraced in any way...I think he's doing the only thing he can do in his situation and I have a lot of respect for him because of that.

[Mokka]

He's a decent guy...he looks out for all of them....he may have reservations about going back out with Charlie but he clearly still cares for her and he is not gonna give BB what they want ...he's not gonna incite trouble that cud result in her being ridiculed or disgraced in any way...I think he's doing the only thing he can do in his situation and I have a lot of respect for him because of that.

Yep... bang on!

[Speedster]

When Laura said Marco wouldnt take no for an answer some people called him a predator ... Even tho the silly cow had her legs wrapped round him again 2 hours later.

But when Jason said Charlie won't take no for an answer those same people say he's playing the victim.

A lot of sexism taking place. One rule for girls and another one for men.


Sooooo.. only women are sexist then. Interesting.

[Clootie Dumpling]

she'll be telling him she's pregnant next.

Wow! Would that be an ugly baby? :laugh2:

[Speedster]

The misogyny on here is unreal. She can't win; if she stopped having anything to do do with him she'd be an caring b*** all of a sudden, or fickle, insincere.

At the moment she's "bunny-boiler", potentially unstable, a stalker, a lowly stripper and too young for him (he chose her,how can the age difference be her problem if he chose he.

It's good being a guy. You can get away with murder.

[hot2go]

[QUOTE=Speedster;8747094]Sooooo.. only women are sexist then.

Oh read the post properly please.....who said anything about it being only women who are being sexist ?

There's clearly a different attitude on here from some people regarding Lauras situation with Marco ...and Jason's situation with Charlie.

Laura said back off and he did....Marco still got called a Predator
Jason said back off and she didn't....Charlie gets called a victim.

That's sexism.....and the hypocricy is from a mixture of male and female posts.

This is not some dreary " Only Women Bleed " debate about women always getting the blame...,if you want to make it about that than do it with someone other than me please.

[Marsh.]

Wow! Would that be an ugly baby? :laugh2:

Hark at you the oil painting.

[hot2go]

Don't know how old she is, I'm guessing 40, but she's so immature it's hard to believe....

If she wants to prove to Jason that she's humble, has changed and is no longer trying to manipulate him then that bikini, that lap dance and those passive aggressive tears don't strike me as obvious ways to go about it.

I'm embarrassed just watching her.

[kirklancaster]

[QUOTE=Speedster;8747094]Sooooo.. only women are sexist then.

Oh read the post properly please.....who said anything about it being only women who are being sexist ?

There's clearly a different attitude on here from some people regarding Lauras situation with Marco ...and Jason's situation with Charlie.

Laura said back off and he did....Marco still got called a Predator
Jason said back off and she didn't....Charlie gets called a victim.

That's sexism.....and the hypocricy is from a mixture of male and female posts.

This is not some dreary " Only Women Bleed " debate about women always getting the blame...,if you want to make it about that than do it with someone other than me please.

THIS - EXACTLY.

[jennyjuniper]

Great minds uh Jenny? :hee: Thank you love.

You're welcome anytime Kirk:wavey: