Why is Hughie getting a free pass?

[vesavius]

Seriously, this guy is made out of Teflon it seems.

He is one of those HMs that seem to be able to get away with being aggressive, snidey, and calling female HMs things like sluts, fat, and thick, before he has even met them.

And, yeah, I know he denied calling Lateysha fat, but going on his now established track record, I believe Nat over him. I have no doubt, personally, that he said it. I have no doubt he is a liar as well as everything else.


But, and I am no fan of hers as a person, Nat gets the grief for just repeating what he actually said. here's a tip Hughie, if you don't want people to repeat the crappy things you say, don't say them. :fist:

[armand.kay]

Well first of all Hughie admitted to calling her a slut and he apologised for it so all the information isn't quite there..

Hughie has more to him then just being aggressive like we've seen him both have fun and be really sweet. He's also proven to be quite reasonable in a few instances.

Hughie's aggression is also quite funny idk why it's just funny when he goes off on one. Housemates like Nikki also got away with their aggressive/bitchy behaviour because it was just amusing.

Also Hughie is only really aggressive when people attack him first I can't really think of an instance when he was the one to instigate the argument.

Lastly Hughie might just be human embodiment of God and can do no wrong.. Just a theory idk :shrug:

[Kazanne]

I like Huey and no way would I believe Natalie over him,I never heard him call anyone fat,I think Nat has a penchant for Chinese whispers

[vesavius]

Well first of all Hughie admitted to calling her a slut and he apologised for it so all the information isn't quite there..


Only when his cover was blown.

He wouldn't have come clean unless forced, which is no sign of being a good guy at all.

[vesavius]

I think Nat has a penchant for Chinese whispers

Based on..?

[Merry Mockmas]

Everyone has first impression judgements of other people (some not so nice opinions) obviously Hughie shouldn't have called Lateysha a slag, but he isn't a bad person for making a judgement based on first impressions.

[armand.kay]

Only when his cover was blown.

He wouldn't have come clean unless forced, which is no sign of being a good guy at all.

Didn't really have much of a chance tbh seeing as Natalie ratted him out minutes after being in the house... He probably even forgot about saying it because I know most the viewers did.

[armand.kay]

The whole slut comment thing has been blown way out of proportion like people are probably just clinging on to it because it's the only example of Hughie being horrible and saying something uncalled for.

[Withano]

I dont remember her calling anybody a slut but the way Natalke talked about it, i assume it was when they saw lateyshas vt for the first time and hughie instantly recognised her as the one from the terrible mtv show. I doubt he said it maliciously, more jokey with the rest of the house as they all battered the strangers. Natalie probably took it out of context.

[hot2go]

When the others were shown the housemates VTs in week one, Jayne, Charlie and Ryan all agreed that Laura looked like she could be a slag and that she looked Slaggy ...
They all made assumptions about the housemates based on what little info they had.

And Lateysha did look like a slut with her side boobs hanging out ...Huey wasn't lying about that....even Laura and couple others said their first impression on entering the house was totally different to the one they now have having got to know her...

If you think champagne you'll drink champagne...if you dress like a slapper you'll look like a slapper.

[Amy Jade]

I totally agree with the OP

Natalie and Hughie are as argumentative as each other but she seems to be shouldering the blame every single time they clash...infact Hughie never gets the blame, even when Alex tried to stop Hughie and Jackson arguing Alex was heaped with blame even though Hughie was the clear aggressor.

He's absolutely awful and the worst one in there by a mile, he's literally irrelevant without somebody to clash with unless you like a fake as fook showmance. He's clearly not interested in Ryan but he'll be aware it'll get him airtime.

He only apologized to Lateysha because he was caught out, he called Natalie a 'lardy arse' apparently during their fight in the bedroom so it wouldn't surprise me in the least if he's called Lateysha fat too.

Once Natalie is gone and there is no clear scapegoat for people to blame for his aggression his true colours will be clear to people I hope.

[reece(:]

Charlie BB10?

[Amy Jade]

Lateysha did look like a slut with her side boobs hanging out ...Huey wasn't lying about that
A bit of cleavage/side boob makes a girl a slut now? Have we gone back in time? :laugh:

[Babayaro.]

Because a lot of people can see that behind all of the shouting and the short temper, that he is a really nice guy and he is not malicious at all. Maybe that's why he's doing so well in online polls :shrug:

[Amy Jade]

Charlie BB10?

I hope his popularity is as fleeting as Charlie's was.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Honestly I think it's because he sounds funny when he argues but I'm not a fan at all, i think he's sneaky

[Amy Jade]

Because a lot of people can see that behind all of the shouting and the short temper, that he is a really nice guy and he is not malicious at all. Maybe that's why he's doing so well in online polls :shrug:

A really nice guy who calls people he's never met fat, trampy and slaggy on TV. He's totally Prince Charming.

[Lostie!]

I totally agree with the OP

Natalie and Hughie are as argumentative as each other but she seems to be shouldering the blame every single time they clash...infact Hughie never gets the blame, even when Alex tried to stop Hughie and Jackson arguing Alex was heaped with blame even though Hughie was the clear aggressor.

He's absolutely awful and the worst one in there by a mile, he's literally irrelevant without somebody to clash with unless you like a fake as fook showmance. He's clearly not interested in Ryan but he'll be aware it'll get him airtime.

He only apologized to Lateysha because he was caught out, he called Natalie a 'lardy arse' apparently during their fight in the bedroom so it wouldn't surprise me in the least if he's called Lateysha fat too.

Once Natalie is gone and there is no clear scapegoat for him fans to chuck the blame on for his aggression his true colours will be clear to people I hope.

I'll speak for myself, thanks. I've never scapegoated Natalie, I fully believe that she's been in the wrong everytime they've clashed. I suggest you actually know what a scapegoat is before throwing the word around just because it's an easy term to pull out when you want to stick up for someone.

Natalie aggressively causes trouble, Hughie aggressively reacts, that's the big difference in their clashes. The same stands for the row with Jackson and Alex, he only kicked off because everyone was talking down to him just for making a suggestion that they didn't like.

[Amy Jade]

Honestly I think it's because he sounds funny when he argues but I'm not a fan at all, i think he's sneaky

This is really sad but thank **** you see it! I always think of you, Lostie and Vicky as the voices of reason on here the last few series so if you see it I feel vindicated in feeling the way I do about him :laugh:

[Merry Mockmas]

I totally agree with the OP

Natalie and Hughie are as argumentative as each other but she seems to be shouldering the blame every single time they clash...infact Hughie never gets the blame, even when Alex tried to stop Hughie and Jackson arguing Alex was heaped with blame even though Hughie was the clear aggressor.

He's absolutely awful and the worst one in there by a mile, he's literally irrelevant without somebody to clash with unless you like a fake as fook showmance. He's clearly not interested in Ryan but he'll be aware it'll get him airtime.

He only apologized to Lateysha because he was caught out, he called Natalie a 'lardy arse' apparently during their fight in the bedroom so it wouldn't surprise me in the least if he's called Lateysha fat too.

Once Natalie is gone and there is no clear scapegoat for people to blame for his aggression his true colours will be clear to people I hope.

You mean when Alex joined in on the ganging up of Hughie?

[Amy Jade]

I'll speak for myself, thanks. I've never scapegoated Natalie, I fully believe that she's been in the wrong everytime they've clashed. I suggest you actually know what a scapegoat is before throwing the word around just because it's an easy term to pull out when you want to stick up for someone.

Natalie aggressively causes trouble, Hughie aggressively reacts, that's the big difference in their clashes. The same stands for the row with Jackson and Alex, he only kicked off because everyone was talking down to him just for making a suggestion that they didn't like.

I get it you think he's a victim, that's fine. I changed how I worded the last paragraph anyway :hee:

I'm also fully aware what a scapegoat is thank you.

[hot2go]

A bit of cleavage/side boob makes a girl a slut now? Have we gone back in time? :laugh:

No, if only....doesn't make her a slut, it makes her look like one ....and nowt wrong with that if that's the look you wanna go for but don't then belly ache about it when people form the wrong impression of you because of it.
Lateysha created her own situation ...no one thought Georgina looked like a slut and the reason for that is because she wasn't dressed like a porn star.
It's very simple.

[Greg!]

Hughie hasn't shown bullying tendencies unlike Jackson, Alex, Chelsea and Natalie. People like him because he's not afraid to stand up for himself and he's funny when he does it

[Merry Mockmas]

A really nice guy who calls people he's never met fat, trampy and slaggy on TV. He's totally Prince Charming.

But Hughie's comments aren't much different to most people's first impressions of her on here on Launch Night.

Seriously everyone makes pre-judgements before getting to know people so why is Hughie being held at such a high standard?

[Greg!]

Because a lot of people can see that behind all of the shouting and the short temper, that he is a really nice guy and he is not malicious at all. Maybe that's why he's doing so well in online polls :shrug:

:clap1: absolutely spot on

[ChristmasNeeve]

This is really sad but thank **** you see it! I always think of you, Lostie and Vicky as the voices of reason on here the last few series so if you see it I feel vindicated in feeling the way I do about him :laugh:

:laugh: aww thanks

[Lostie!]

I get it you think he's a victim, that's fine. I changed how I worded the last paragraph anyway :hee:

I'm also fully aware what a scapegoat is thank you.

Actually I've never said I think he's a victim but you seem to be in the habit of putting words into the mouths of Hughie fans lately so feel free to carry that on if you like.

I do think he's been on the receiving end of stuff that makes me understand his losses of temper, though.

And if you truly think Natalie is being scapegoated then I beg to differ I'm afraid.

[Amy Jade]

But Hughie's comments aren't much different to most people's first impressions of her on here on Launch Night.

Seriously everyone makes pre-judgements before getting to know people so why is Hughie being held at such a high standard?

Because he said it on TV. He's on the show for me to judge he put hI'm self forward to be judged, if I went and quoted people who said nasty things about people's weight and stuff on here I'd be breaking the rules for going off topic and having a go at fmers

[armand.kay]

I totally agree with the OP

Natalie and Hughie are as argumentative as each other but she seems to be shouldering the blame every single time they clash...infact Hughie never gets the blame, even when Alex tried to stop Hughie and Jackson arguing Alex was heaped with blame even though Hughie was the clear aggressor.

He's absolutely awful and the worst one in there by a mile, he's literally irrelevant without somebody to clash with unless you like a fake as fook showmance. He's clearly not interested in Ryan but he'll be aware it'll get him airtime.

He only apologized to Lateysha because he was caught out, he called Natalie a 'lardy arse' apparently during their fight in the bedroom so it wouldn't surprise me in the least if he's called Lateysha fat too.

Once Natalie is gone and there is no clear scapegoat for him fans to chuck the blame on for his aggression his true colours will be clear to people I hope.

Hughie is probably more argumentative tbh its just that he is more likeable. We've seen a few sides to Hughie and it doesn't seem like all there is to him is drama and arguing. Also Hughie only got mad at Alex because overtime him or anyone tries to stop an argument they tell him to pipe down even tho the other party is being just as loud as him, I can see why he would be frustrated.

Not really irrelevant tho is he? he's had a fair amount of air time showing him interacting with the housemates and having some fun before the first time he flipped out. I mean is Natalie even at all relevant when she's not causing drama? I like her but she's very one dimensional Don't really get what you mean by the Ryan thing. Ryan seems to be the one pushing the relationship. its not even really a showmance they've kissed like twice and had one joke date. He doesn't spend all day in bed with Ryan, he's hardly talks about it and he hasn't even acknowledged it as a relationship so I don't really get what you mean by he's pushing the showmance for air time.. If anything Hughie seems hesitant to take this any further with Ryan.

Lol was he supposed to in like "yeah hi I'm hughie, btw lateysha I called you a slut in the first week sorry"? like what was he meant to do? Natalie snitched on him minutes after they all moved in. He didn't really get the chance to ever talk to lateysha.

Most Hughie fans have acknowledged that he can aggressive and no one really blames Natalie. He's only argues with her twice and has a lot more arguments with other people so that argument just isn't realistic in the slightest.

[Amy Jade]

No, if only....doesn't make her a slut, it makes her look like one ....and nowt wrong with that if that's the look you wanna go for but don't then belly ache about it when people form the wrong impression of you because of it.
Lateysha created her own situation ...no one thought Georgina looked like a slut and the reason for that is because she wasn't dressed like a porn star.
It's very simple.
Lateysha didn't 'bellyach' over it. She handled it very well imo

[Merry Mockmas]

Because he said it on TV. He's on the show for me to judge he put hI'm self forward to be judged, if I went and quoted people who said nasty things about people's weight and stuff on here I'd be breaking the rules for going off topic and having a go at fmers

So you're telling me that you've never made a negative judgement of someone on first impressions? I don't mean to come off as confrontational but well done if you haven't because you're in a tiny minority if that's the case and it makes you a better person than me and Hughie and 95% of the planet.:joker:

[hot2go]

A bit of cleavage/side boob makes a girl a slut now? Have we gone back in time? :laugh:

Ive no problem you being one of the posters who love to cut and paste peoples posts but why remove all the relevant information in my post that targets Laura in the same way and hi lights how Charlie, Huey and Jayne also accused someone of being a slag ?
Why make me look like I've just attacked Lateysha ? And why edit the full post that explains how I came to my conclusion ?
I wud appreciate you stop doing that...it looks like a deliberate attempt to edit me in a bad way on purpose.

[armand.kay]

To be fair as well Hughie was commenting on what he had seen of her on the valleys, and yeah what he said was wrong but it doesn't really make him a bad person? Like how black and white does your view on the world have to be to completely determine a person's character based on one throw aways comment they made :laugh:

[hot2go]

Lateysha didn't 'bellyach' over it. She handled it very well imo

Would that be your full opinion or an edited version ?

[Amy Jade]

So you're telling me that you've never made a negative judgement of someone on first impressions? I don't mean to come off as confrontational but well done if you haven't because you're in a tiny minority if that's the case and it makes you a better person than me and Hughie and 95% of the planet.:joker:
I may have in the past when I was like 14-16 but Hughie is about 22 isn't he? I am above calling people fat and slutty at 18 so I do think I'm a much better person than him, yes. :laugh:

[Dollface]

Armand :worship:

[Merry Mockmas]

I may have in the past when I was like 14-16 but Hughie is about 22 isn't he? I am above calling people fat and slutty at 18 so I do think I'm a much better person than him, yes. :laugh:

Not weight jibes, but initial personality traits when you meet people for the first time?

Or even negative impressions when speaking to people on the Internet for the first time?

[Shaun]

Based on..?

Perhaps the lies she's said about Jayne, accusing her of not really donating any money to charity, and her total unwillingness to hear anything that doesn't suit her agenda? Just a hunch.

[Amy Jade]

Armand.kay I do think he's irrelevant without somebody to clash with or the showmance. He's had no stand out moments...even when he argues it's just messy. I personally find Natalie funnier than him when they row because she has control of herself still.

Swings n round-a-bouts though :love:

[Babayaro.]

A really nice guy who calls people he's never met fat, trampy and slaggy on TV. He's totally Prince Charming.

You see, now you're cherry picking. Fair enough, yeah, those type of comments are not very nice but i'm sure we're all guilty of making rash judgements on people we have never met before. But away from all of that, I really do believe that he is a genuine person and like what others have said, he only becomes aggressive when he is standing up for himself, unlike Natalie, who on many occasions has showed aggressive behaviour for no apparent reason.

[Amy Jade]

Not weight jibes, but initial personality traits when you meet people for the first time?

Or even negative impressions when speaking to people on the Internet for the first time?

If I met somebody who was bigger I wouldn't automatically think fatty and if I saw somebody with cleaveage on show I wouldn't think slut if that's what you're asking

[Dollface]

Armand.kay I do think he's irrelevant without somebody to clash with or the showmance. He's had no stand out moments...even when he argues it's just messy. I personally find Natalie funnier than him when they row because she has control of herself still.

Swings n round-a-bouts though :love:

Tbh she can barely breathe when she gets in arguments, she gets herself so worked up.

[reece(:]

You see, now you're cherry picking. Fair enough, yeah, those type of comments are not very nice but i'm sure we're all guilty of making rash judgements on people we have never met before.

I don't think everyone calls a person a slag (vile word) before they've met them but if you say so!

[Tom4784]

It's because he's reactionary I think. Natalie is aggressive without reason. Hughie's only lost his **** when he's provoked and is agreable most of the time.

[Babayaro.]

I don't think everyone calls a person a slag (vile word) before they've met them but if you say so!

Is that what I said though? I was talking about rash judgements in general

[Greg!]

If I met somebody who was bigger I wouldn't automatically think fatty and if I saw somebody with cleaveage on show I wouldn't think slut if that's what you're asking

1) we don't even know for sure that Hughie even called Lateysha fat or a slag. It's all just hearsay from Natalie who has a track record of lying like when she said Hughie brought up her weight when he never has.

2) even if he did call her that it was on night one based on a 30 second video introduction, as part of a task where they were encouraged to make judgements on the housemates. That doesn't reflect on his personality at all

[armand.kay]

Hughie's Dr rant is probs the stand out moment of the series.

But like I've said before we've seen more of Hughie just being normal, chill and having fun with other housemates than we've seen of Natalie which is why i believe he brings more to the house and why most people prefer him to Natalie. We've also not really seen him be vindictive and manipulative like we have with Natalie which would also explain why people like Hughie and don't like Natalie.

[Merry Mockmas]

If I met somebody who was bigger I wouldn't automatically think fatty and if I saw somebody with cleaveage on show I wouldn't think slut if that's what you're asking

That's fair enough, but would you have a positive impression by someone dressing with their cleaveage hanging out on your first impressions of her? Because to me my first impressions of her was that she looked desperate for attention.

Hughie's comments are not what I would ever think from what someone's wearing, but it's obviously first impressions that he obviously can have on people.

[Amy Jade]

I don't think everyone calls a person a slag (vile word) before they've met them but if you say so!

:laugh:

[Dollface]

I may have in the past when I was like 14-16 but Hughie is about 22 isn't he? I am above calling people fat and slutty at 18 so I do think I'm a much better person than him, yes. :laugh:

Well, give me someone that makes pre-judgements over someone that deliberately lies and stirs the pot to cause trouble annnny day.

[armand.kay]

It's because he's reactionary I think. Natalie is aggressive without reason. Hughie's only lost his **** when he's provoked and is agreable most of the time.

.

[reece(:]

Is that what I said though? I was talking about rash judgements in general

That's not very relevant then as the topic is on slag naming and not general presumptions

[Merry Mockmas]

That's not very relevant then as the topic is on slag naming and not general presumptions

Well the topic is about both really.

[Amy Jade]

That's fair enough, but would you have a positive impression by someone dressing with their cleaveage hanging out on your first impressions of her? Because to me my first impressions of her was that she looked desperate for attention.

Hughie's comments are not what I would ever think from what someone's wearing, but it's obviously first impressions that he obviously can have on people.

I don't really form an impression of what people wear, I may think something along the lines of 'well I wouldn't wear it or I'm not fond of that colour or even damn that dress is ugly as sin' but I don't tend to judge the person wearing it especially not as a tramp or a slag :laugh:

[reece(:]

Well the topic is about both really.

They shouldn't be lumped together then...

[Denver]

i wouldnt trust him as far as i could throw him and believe me thats not very far slimy little gett he needs to be searched when he leaves

[Merry Mockmas]

I don't really form an impression of what people wear, I may think something along the lines of 'well I wouldn't wear it or I'm not fond of that colour or even damn that dress is ugly as sin' but I don't tend to judge the person wearing it especially not as a tramp or a slag :laugh:

Tbf I think the general public would be more along your opinion than mine or Hughie's.:joker:

It's just that Hughie didn't call her a slag in a "omg I really ****ing hate her sort of way" he probably presumed that he'd never meet her either as she looked likely to be the first out on Launch Night.

[Greg!]

i wouldnt trust him as far as i could throw him and believe me thats not very far slimy little gett he needs to be searched when he leaves

Welp how is he slimy, he's the most honest and up front person in that house

[Merry Mockmas]

They shouldn't be lumped together then...

But they're always gonna be lumped together as people are gonna discuss is it right to make pre-judgements on people? And then you've got the is it right for him to call her a slag?

My answers are.

Former - Yes
Latter - No

[Babayaro.]

Also, on launch night I said that Hughie seemed like a ****

Does that make me a bad person? No.

[Denver]

Welp how is he slimy, he's the most honest and up front person in that house

he will backstab anyone in there to win h e is vile nasty ugly toad Natalie destroys him without raising her voice

[Merry Mockmas]

Also, on launch night I said that Hughie seemed like a ****

Does that make me a bad person? No.

No it doesn't.

And tbf I called him Brian Dowling 2.0 on Launch Night.:joker:

[armand.kay]

Don't even see the big deal with calling someone slaggy.. especially when you're basing that opinion on their appearance on a show that bragged about being more outrageous than Georgie shore.. Like I'm not saying he was right to say what he did but ****ing hell people have blown it out of proportion.

Also a tad hypocritical when the people who are so outraged at him for saying it are the same people who supported people like charley who called channel a 'slut' on a number of occasions.. :hee:

[Merry Mockmas]

he will backstab anyone in there to win h e is vile nasty ugly toad Natalie destroys him without raising her voice

Hughie's more of a Science/Charley Uchea type of Housemate than a Makosi/Grace/Bea type.

[Merry Mockmas]

Don't even see the big deal with calling someone slaggy.. especially when you're basing that opinion on their appearance on a show that bragged about being more outrageous than Georgie shore.. Like I'm not saying he was right to say what he did but ****ing hell people have blown it out of proportion.

Also a tad hypocritical when the people who are so outraged at him for saying it are the same people who supported people like charley who called channel a 'slut' on a number of occasions.. :hee:

Tbf she did call Charley a "slut" and a "****" and a "bitch" so Chanelle was no saint herself.

[Parmy]

i wouldnt trust him as far as i could throw him and believe me thats not very far slimy little gett he needs to be searched when he leaves

because he's a traveller?

[armand.kay]

Tbf she did call Charley a "slut" and a "****" and a "bitch" so Chanelle was no saint herself.

I'm not slating her for it lol I loved charley. I'm just pointing out that people seem to be so outraged about the use of words like this now but it didn't seem to be a problem before.

[Babayaro.]

Yeah, it's not even that big a deal tbh. No one said anything about it before Natalie pointed it out. Although, did we even see Hughie say it? I can't remember

[reece(:]

Tbf she did call Charley a "slut" and a "****" and a "bitch" so Chanelle was no saint herself.

They knew each other for weeks at that point

[Amy Jade]

Also a tad hypocritical when the people who are so outraged at him for saying it are the same people who supported people like charley who called channel a 'slut' on a number of occasions.. :hee:

If that's in reference to me then just because I loved Charley doesn't mean she didn't say stuff I disagreed with and still do. You'be been preaching for about an hour about how he's still hilarious despite him saying things you disagree with but I can't do the same to Charley?

[Tom4784]

i wouldnt trust him as far as i could throw him and believe me thats not very far slimy little gett he needs to be searched when he leaves

Why is that?

[armand.kay]

If that's in reference to me then just because I loved Charley doesn't mean she didn't say stuff I disagreed with and still do. You'be been preaching for about an hour about how he's still hilarious despite him saying things you disagree with but I can't do the same to Charley?

I'm just making a point of how Hughie is branded as a horrible person for calling Lateysha slaggy when the same wasn't done in the past for previous housemates and I'm not saying you can't do the same with Charley if you look at most my posts you'll see that I'm a huge Charley fan.

[Lostie!]

I don't really form an impression of what people wear, I may think something along the lines of 'well I wouldn't wear it or I'm not fond of that colour or even damn that dress is ugly as sin' but I don't tend to judge the person wearing it especially not as a tramp or a slag :laugh:

So is slut shaming only unacceptable in certain situations? Because I definitely recall you doing it with Alicia last year. I'm not having a go or using it against you, just making a point that making unpleasant comments about people on reality shows is something more of us are guilty of than would care to admit.

I am myself, I'll hold my hands up to it. Not specifically using those words but I've formed negative opinions on people on BB / CBB like Charlotte Crosby for her boasts about her Geordie Shore lifestyle. If any of us is going to criticise somebody for making a judgement about somebody because of what they've seen on a reality show then we should first make sure we've never done that ourselves.

I don't think what Hughie said was right, I've never justified or defended it. But I also don't think it makes him a terrible, evil human. He's flawed for sure and said unfair things, but the same goes for most of us on here.

(By the way, I don't usually like to bring up what FMs have said in the past themselves but unfair and inappropriate comments and assumptions have been made about Hughie supporters lately about us justifying slut shaming and holding him to different standards so I feel it necessary to properly explain just why I'm not being so quick to brand him as the Antichrist just yet and why I feel it's, frankly, ridiculous for people to form a judgement on people for still liking him when he's not said anything that's too far removed from things said on here all the time anyway).

[armand.kay]

They knew each other for weeks at that point

What about good old rebeckah who branded sweet Pamela as a slag moments after meeting?

[Dollface]

So is slut shaming only unacceptable in certain situations? Because I definitely recall you doing it with Alicia last year. I'm not having a go or using it against you, just making a point that making unpleasant comments about people on reality shows is something more of us are guilty of than would care to admit.

I am myself, I'll hold my hands up to it. Not specifically using those words but I've formed negative opinions on people on BB / CBB like Charlotte Crosby for her boasts about her Geordie Shore lifestyle. If any of us is going to criticise somebody for making a judgement about somebody because of what they've seen on a reality show then we should first make sure we've never done that ourselves.

I don't think what Hughie said was right, I've never justified or defended it. But I also don't think it makes him a terrible, evil human. He's flawed for sure and said unfair things, but the same goes for most of us on here.

(By the way, I don't usually like to bring up what FMs have said in the past themselves but unfair and inappropriate comments and assumptions have been made about Hughie supporters lately about us justifying slut shaming and holding him to different standards so I feel it necessary to properly explain just why I'm not being so quick to brand him as the Antichrist just yet and why I feel it's, frankly, ridiculous for people to form a judgement on people for still liking him when he's not said anything that's too far removed from things said on here all the time anyway).

:clap1: I was going to bring up when Amy Jade said Natasha looked like a tramp, and i'm pretty sure during the last BB that Helen appeared on, Amy called her a *****. But I wouldn't want to burst that "holier than thou" bubble Amy is trying to portray :worry: I'm sorry AJ but you're just as judgemental as the rest of us :laugh:

[Parmy]

perched for Adams explanation!

[Babayaro.]

perched for Adams explanation!

:joker:

[Denver]

Why is that?

no reason :hee:

[Lostie!]

Oh and I forgot to say, in terms of Hughie "getting a free pass", I think Lateysha's nomination of him was justified so I've certainly never given him a pass. Actually it was the most justified nomination he got from anyone.

[Tom4784]

no reason :hee:

Hmm.

[Parmy]

half nat and hughies noms shouldn't have been allowed because they were clearly influenced by others..

[Jamie89]

He's not getting a free pass.

He's receiving a lot of hate AND he's been nominated. How is that a free pass? :unsure:

[Amy Jade]

I've never once claimed I'm holier than thou but by all means shift the topic of discussion over to bringing up stuff I said like 2 years ago if you feel discussing forum members individually is more relevant than sticking to the actual subject we all signed up to the forum for in the first place.

:hee:

[ChristmasNeeve]

He's not getting a free pass.

He's receiving a lot of hate AND he's been nominated. How is that a free pass? :unsure:

I took it to mean from the public but maybe I'm wrong

[Dollface]

I've never once claimed I'm holier than thou but by all means shift the topic of discussion over to bringing up stuff I said like 2 years ago if you feel discussing forum members individually is more relevant than sticking to the actual subject we all signed up to the forum for in the first place.

:hee:

Well done for avoiding confronting the fact that you do indeed slut shame :hee:

[*mazedsalv**]

The "slut thing"... erm, what about the comments of the rest of the Others? And MH lot said Hughie looks "annoying and horrible" after just seeing his face when he took his mask off.

Hughie only rows when being pushed. Whereas Natalie STARTS arguments, remember when she started on him because he didn't introduce himself during the reveal, so Natalie followed without introducing herself :joker:

First time i've ever agreed with an "expert" on BOTS... Hughie only snaps when people attack him.

[armand.kay]

The "slut thing"... erm, what about the comments of the rest of the Others? And MH lot said Hughie looks "annoying and horrible" after just seeing his face when he took his mask off.

Hughie only rows when being pushed. Whereas Natalie STARTS arguments, remember when she started on him because he didn't introduce himself during the reveal, so Natalie followed without introducing herself :joker:

First time i've ever agreed with an "expert" on BOTS... Hughie only snaps when people attack him.

oh yeah completely forgot about this... the double standard is true on this forum.

[Lostie!]

I've never once claimed I'm holier than thou but by all means shift the topic of discussion over to bringing up stuff I said like 2 years ago if you feel discussing forum members individually is more relevant than sticking to the actual subject we all signed up to the forum for in the first place.

:hee:

Amy, you've brought up other forum members before anyone else did, you've been making snippy remarks about Hughie fans for days now instead of just sticking to posting your opinion on him alone. I haven't been going around making comments about Natalie fans just because they happen to like her.

[Amy Jade]

Well done for avoiding confronting the fact that you do indeed slut shame :hee:

If you look further up instead of just wading in for a pop you'll see I fully admitted to Mock I had been judgemental in the past when I was younger, I expect more of myself now just as I expected more from Hughie who's about 5 years older than I am (to keep this on topic since you're apparently trying to derail it)

[Amy Jade]

Amy, you've brought up other forum members before anyone else did, you've been making snippy remarks about Hughie fans for days now instead of just sticking to posting your opinion on him alone. I haven't been going around making comments about Natalie fans just because they happen to like her.

The OP asked why the viewers/fans are letting him get away with being aggressive. I never once went into anyone personally within the forum and tried to drag up stuff they said years ago to probe a point though.

I do believe he gets away with a lot on here that others might not but I've never tried pin that on a single person or even slated people who put him on a pedestal just said they do it which I believe. I do it with Teesh so I'd have no room to actually do that :laugh:

I'm holier than thou though apparently for growing up past calling housemates fat and stuff. What an egotistical bitch I am.

[Nancy.]

I like Huey and no way would I believe Natalie over him,I never heard him call anyone fat,I think Nat has a penchant for Chinese whispers

Agreed.

[Dollface]

If you look further up instead of just wading in for a pop you'll see I fully admitted to Mock I had been judgemental in the past when I was younger, I expect more of myself now just as I expected more from Hughie who's about 5 years older than I am (to keep this on topic since you're apparently trying to derail it)

I read that post, I think I even quoted it earlier :shrug: You said when you was 14-16 but it really doesn't feel that long ago that you was calling Natasha a tramp etc. Instead of "wading in for a pop" maybe I'm just trying to make you realise that everyone makes harsh judgements sometimes.
You say you expected more from Hughie but I doubt that considering you come across as if you hate the guy :laugh: You're just using him calling someone a slag as a way to prove your sudden maturity and superiority (before you deny it, why else would you bring up the fact he's 5 years older than you??) which is funny because you haven't bought up Natalie's age and the fact she's stirring the pot like a school child.

[Dollface]

The OP asked why the viewers/fans are letting him get away with being aggressive. I never once went into anyone personally within the forum and tried to drag up stuff they said years ago to probe a point though.

I do believe he gets away with a lot on here that others might not but I've never tried pin that on a single person or even slated people who put him on a pedestal just said they do it which I believe. I do it with Teesh so I'd have no room to actually do that :laugh:

I'm holier than thou though apparently for growing up past calling housemates fat and stuff. What an egotistical bitch I am.

This rather childish display shouldn't really have the words growing up" in it :whistle:

[Lostie!]

The OP asked why the viewers/fans are letting him get away with being aggressive. I never once went into anyone personally within the forum and tried to drag up stuff they said years ago to probe a point though.

I do believe he gets away with a lot on here that others might not but I've never tried pin that on a single person or even slated people who put him on a pedestal just said they do it which I believe. I do it with Teesh so I'd have no room to actually do that :laugh:

I'm holier than thou though apparently for growing up past calling housemates fat and stuff. What an egotistical bitch I am.

No you've never gotten specific but you have made comments that I've personally found unfair and insulting even if they weren't directed personally at me, like saying Hughie fans justified his comments about Lateysha (which was a generalised comment and so came across like it was aimed at everyone who stuck by Hughie and I never did that) and that we scapegoat Natalie rather than having valid issues with her (though I appreciate you've edited that since).

But of course it's not just you, the OP is doing it to with this very thread but I hope I've since explained adequately how I'm not giving him a "free pass" for anything. I'm happy to admit when someone I like has done something wrong and he absolutely did and I think Lateysha had every right to nominate him, more than any of the others who did for that matter.

I just think we all need to appreciate that we like different people and interpret situations in different ways without making judgments and assumptions on each other based on which housemates we support.

[Dollface]

I can see where this is going between me and Amy Jade though and I don't really want to fall out with anyone, so perhaps we should agree to disagree?

[Amy Jade]

No you've never gotten specific but you have made comments that I've personally found unfair and insulting even if they weren't directed personally at me, like saying Hughie fans justified his comments about Lateysha (which was a generalised comment and so came across like it was aimed at everyone who stuck by Hughie and I never did that) and that we scapegoat Natalie rather than having valid issues with her (though I appreciate you've edited that since).

But of course it's not just you, the OP is doing it to with this very thread but I hope I've since explained adequately how I'm not giving him a "free pass" for anything. I'm happy to admit when someone I like has done something wrong and he absolutely did and I think Lateysha had every right to nominate him, more than any of the others who did for that matter.

I just think we all need to appreciate that we like different people and interpret situations in different ways without making judgments and assumptions on each other based on which housemates we support.
If it came across as an attack I can promise you it wasn't one. Not on you or anyone else within this forum. I offer my apologies if I worded it wrongly. I do still think some fans (not necessarily on here) justify a lot of what he does but I appreciate it wasn't you.

You know I respect you more than that to go out of my way to offend you! :laugh: