Was the warning warranted?

[Jake.]

?

[Daniel-X]

If Natalie got one Ryan should've.

[GiRTh]

Absolutely. Its the second time she's done it. She really needs to learn to keep her hands to herself.

[Withano]

Yeh

[Shaun]

I guess since she obviously did it for no good reason.

Really exaggerated though and I think less of Ryan/Evelyn/Sam for getting so hysterical about it. Laura is fair enough since it was her that was on the receiving end.

[lewis111]

No? She literally nudged someone's wrist

Yet people can gang up on Jayne, make her cry, and that's fine, that acceptable but DONT DARE TOUCH ANYONE

[Drew.]

BB described it at aggressively swiping her arm, and from the angle we saw it didn't look very violent or aggressive. Over dramatic reaction from both the housemates and BB. But then this is to be expected from C5

[storybrooke]

Voted yes because I don't think she should have used physical contact.
She doesn't deserve to be ejected so a warning is fair.

[billy123]

Yes. Dumb thing to do. She is a simpleton. Anyone that thinks it i ok to lash out at someone is just being silly.
It really doesnt matter if she hit her arm or not you cant lash out towards people.

[Gstar]

No

[Vicky.]

Can't stand Natalie but I feel the warning was OTT

BUT, this is a show that removed someone for touching a dressing gown and removed a housemate just this year for S&M play outside of the house. So not surprising tbh

[Tinsel Toes]

No because others ave got away with much worse - BB uses the rule book when it suits them.

[Ashsleigh]

Everyone should be made aware of when they've done something wrong, or they'll just carry on doing it. So yes, I think it was warranted.

[reece(:]

Absolutely. Its the second time she's done it. She really needs to learn to keep her hands to herself.

FMlcn-_jpWY

[Jamesy]

Not really, no. Nat was out of order but it was hardly aggressive, it was like what a child does when they snatch a toy from their little sister.

[Babayaro.]

No, she barely touched her. But what about BB's voice then?? Jeeesus he sounded like a moron when calling her to the diary room

[fitz2k2]

no.if that was helen she wouldn't get a warning lol

[Daniel.]

No, she touched her hand.

[reece(:]

No, she barely touched her. But what about BB's voice then?? Jeeesus he sounded like a moron when calling her to the diary room

They do that quite often I noticed, when BB is under pressure the voices meltdown and sound utter tragic.

[Merry Mockmas]

I was out of the room when it happened, but if she's used her hands to palm Laura away then she deserved a warning imo.

[Drew.]

no.if that was helen she wouldn't get a warning lol

Helen probably would have squared up to Laura whilst screaming in her face and probably would have grabbed her tbf

[Braden]

Yes because she did physically go out of her way to hit someone, so I guess it was fair.

I don't care that she did it though. Everyone else was annoying me :p

[Gstar]

FMlcn-_jpWY

:bopha:

[Jake.]

(voted yes, it's a known thing that physical aggression is a no-go on BB nowadays, if Leslie and Frenchy get warned for going to strike eachother then why shouldn't Nat for actually swiping Laura's arm?)

[reece(:]

Leslie and Frenchy shouldn't have been warned either

c5 production are a total mess

[Jamie89]

I'm not sure, but like most warnings nowadays I think it was more for the benefit of the viewers that might complain and a way of covering themselves. IF something were to happen further down the road and Natalie was violent towards someone (not saying she would, it's a big "if") then people would point at instances like this, possible warning signs of violence, and blame BB for allowing it, and they'd come under a lot of fire. That's what I think the producers mentality is when giving warnings anyway. They're just covering their backs.

[Pete.]

Um I don't really know. It was probably so Ch5 save their asses again but Natalie didn't exactly thump Laura like Evelyn and Ryan made out she did so I'm not so sure

[MojoNixon]

I think that Natalie is kind of new Helen Wood. No matter how bad she is, there are always those who love and worship her.

[joeysteele]

Yes, in fact overdue for me.

[Parmy]

Well deserved warning, clubber Lang had butchers arms half her size and he decked sly Stallone.

[kirklancaster]

Well deserved warning, clubber Lang had butchers arms half her size and he decked sly Stallone.

:joker:

[starry]

If Natalie got one Ryan should've.

He's one of their favourites.

Bull**** poll result as it stands. If the focus is clearly on winding someone up, as that task was, and as the response during and after the task also clearly was, then pushing someone away is hardly surprising. Frankly the producers probably wanted more and Natalie didn't oblige. Maybe like Andrew didn't oblige before. Makes the producers look pretty stupid to me. But people will swallow their bull**** storyline.

[starry]

I also wonder if she was put in a separate room as she said she'd walk, and they wanted to talk her out of it. There's always stuff we are never told now, same with the Andrew thing, so you as the audience have to fill in the blanks.

[Garfie]

Yes. Dumb thing to do. She is a simpleton. Anyone that thinks it i ok to lash out at someone is just being silly.
It really doesnt matter if she hit her arm or not you cant lash out towards people.

:clap1:

No-one has the right to raise their hand to anyone else, ever. I think those who are defending her might well feel differently if they were on the receiving end of it.

Not acceptable, so the warning was justified. Actions have consequences. And it's actually no big deal really to get a warning from BB, so I don't understand what the fuss is about in all honesty.

[Ammi]

..it was hard to actually see the incident because they were all crowded around and then Laura exclaimed that she's hit her.../if she laid her hands on her in anger/annoyance then yes, it was warranted and she definitely needed to be called to the DR to be removed from an escalating situation and for time out...

[Ammi]

..time out..:laugh:...jeez, I think I'm at school...

[wendywillow]

no, she was acting the fool but everyone overreacted

[Amy Jade]

I'm honestly not sure, I couldn't tell from the angle shown but I do think Laura, Evelyn and Ryan majorly over egged the situation to get her in trouble.

Ryan is only doing it in a desperate attempt to get in with the originals (which I applaude) but to stoop as low as attempting to get somebody warned/ejected is way worse than stating facts like Natalie did about Hughie and got crucified for

[kirklancaster]

If one actually analyses exactly what transpired, they will see:

1. That the wine was merely in the process of being dispensed into various cups with NO ONE actually lifting any cup to their lips and attempting to drink.

It is impossible therefore at this stage, to state with certainty just what the HM's who were dispensing the wine INTENDED to do next:

a) Where they greedily and selfishly filling their own individual cups with no care or regard for other HM's not yet present?

b) Where they genuinely pouring the wine into cups with the intention of then re-pouring from overfull cups into less full cups to ensure that the wine was shared as equally as possible, and that each HM received a cup?

The only evidence we can consider is the TESTIMONY of the HM's themselves as to what their intentions were;

c) LAURA: "I actually was going to share it out". "I took it to share it out with everybody".

With no other evidence to guide us, and presumption and speculation not admissable, then we have to accept b) above, that the intention WAS to share the wine equally AND ensure that ALL the HM's received their share*.

2. Natalie, was BRUSQUE in the manner in which she joined the other HM's at the table; leaning in, arms extended and pointing.

3. Natalie BARKED commands in an aggressive and rude tone.

4. Natalie was ARROGANT and CONFRONTATIONAL when she snatched the wine bottle from Ryan's grasp.

5. Natalie was CONFRONTATIONAL, CONTEMPTUOUS, and ARROGANT when she responded to the HM's LEGITIMATE protestations by TURNING HER BACK and WALKING AWAY, and saying: "Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah."

6. Natalie had only mere personal PRESUMPTION and NO EVIDENCE at all, to justify stating that: "I realised that we weren't going to get any".

7. Natalie was AGGRESSIVE and VIOLENT in both word and action when she knocked Laura's arm away and told her to "Feck off".

My verdict is that BB's warning to Natalie was justified.

*It should be noted here, that the abhorrent game-playing manipulator Sam - who was later to defend Natalie and sympathise with her to the other HM's - was THE ONLY HM to actually selfishly scurry away from the table clutching a glass full of wine which HE HAD JUST POURED HIMSELF, whilst contemptuously LAUGHING to boot.

Rat Sam's 'defence' of Natalie was nothing more than a preemptive tactic to divert blame for the fracas away from Natalie so that he could later unfairly refocus it on Ryan.

Whatever DID previously occur between Sam and Ryan, it has become irrefutably obvious whilst watching this show, that BOTH Ryan and Sam, have 'buried the hatchet' - Ryan has genuinely buried it, and Sam has buried it in Ryan's back.

[Jamie89]

If one actually analyses exactly what transpired, they will see:

1. That the wine was merely in the process of being dispensed into various cups with NO ONE actually lifting any cup to their lips and attempting to drink.

It is impossible therefore at this stage, to state with certainty just what the HM's who were dispensing the wine INTENDED to do next:

a) Where they greedily and selfishly filling their own individual cups with no care or regard for other HM's not yet present?

b) Where they genuinely pouring the wine into cups with the intention of then re-pouring from overfull cups into less full cups to ensure that the wine was shared as equally as possible, and that each HM received a cup?

The only evidence we can consider is the TESTIMONY of the HM's themselves as to what their intentions were;

c) LAURA: "I actually was going to share it out". "I took it to share it out with everybody".

With no other evidence to guide us, and presumption and speculation not admissable, then we have to accept b) above, that the intention WAS to share the wine equally AND ensure that ALL the HM's received their share*.

2. Natalie, was BRUSQUE in the manner in which she joined the other HM's at the table; leaning in, arms extended and pointing.

3. Natalie BARKED commands in an aggressive and rude tone.

4. Natalie was ARROGANT and CONFRONTATIONAL when she snatched the wine bottle from Ryan's grasp.

5. Natalie was CONFRONTATIONAL, CONTEMPTUOUS, and ARROGANT when she responded to the HM's LEGITIMATE protestations by TURNING HER BACK and WALKING AWAY, and saying: "Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah."

6. Natalie had only mere personal PRESUMPTION and NO EVIDENCE at all, to justify stating that: "I realised that we weren't going to get any".

7. Natalie was AGGRESSIVE and VIOLENT in both word and action when she knocked Laura's arm away and told her to "Feck off".

My verdict is that BB's warning to Natalie was justified.

*It should be noted here, that the abhorrent game-playing manipulator Sam - who was later to defend Natalie and sympathise with her to the other HM's - was THE ONLY HM to actually selfishly scurry away from the table clutching a glass full of wine which HE HAD JUST POURED HIMSELF, whilst contemptuously LAUGHING to boot.

Rat Sam's 'defence' of Natalie was nothing more than a preemptive tactic to divert blame for the fracas away from Natalie so that he could later unfairly refocus it on Ryan.

Whatever DID previously occur between Sam and Ryan, it has become irrefutably obvious whilst watching this show, that BOTH Ryan and Sam, have 'buried the hatchet' - Ryan has genuinely buried it, and Sam has buried it in Ryan's back.

I didn't notice that (the bit in bold about Sam) :shocked: It shouldn't really surprise me though, I don't trust him at all. Completely agree with your views on him.

[ebandit]

dunno.....i were too busy laughing at natalie selfishly grabbing drinks

and evelyn's ridiculous reaction....'she hit her'......'she hit her'....

'she hit her'....

Mark L

[hot2go]

If Natalie got one Ryan should've.

Why ? I didn't think he physically touched anyone.....maybe I missed something

[hot2go]

I'm not sure, but like most warnings nowadays I think it was more for the benefit of the viewers that might complain and a way of covering themselves. IF something were to happen further down the road and Natalie was violent towards someone (not saying she would, it's a big "if") then people would point at instances like this, possible warning signs of violence, and blame BB for allowing it, and they'd come under a lot of fire. That's what I think the producers mentality is when giving warnings anyway. They're just covering their backs.

I would say this is exactly why.

[hot2go]

I agree with Jamie.... Natalie was confrontational but nothing we didn't know and haven't seen before....she HAD to be given a warning tho.

The most interesting part of the drama was Sams little passive aggressive routine...his give a sh-t attitude to Natalie when it kicked off....his attempts to use the situation to turn people against Ryan....and his fake " Pride if Britain " speach when he pretended to take the moral high ground even though he actually p-ssed off the moment the trouble started.

[Griffin5779]

Yes and they did her a favor. She seems to have little idea of what is exceptable behavior in a group of people... maybe now she will moderate her behavior.

[Denver]

She was warned for being black simple as

[kirklancaster]

She was warned for being black simple as

:joker: I love you Adam, but tell me you are jesting? Or was Mike Tyson the sweetest, kindest, gentleman on the planet and only depicted so adversely because he was black too? :hee:

[ChristmasNeeve]

dunno.....i were too busy laughing at natalie selfishly grabbing drinks

and evelyn's ridiculous reaction....'she hit her'......'she hit her'....

'she hit her'....

Mark L

Evelyn knew exactly what she was doing there, talk about milking the situation and trying to get Natalie kicked out

[Denver]

:joker: I love you Adam, but tell me you are jesting? Or was Mike Tyson the sweetest, kindest, gentleman on the planet and only depicted so adversely because he was black too? :hee:

come on Marco and Lauren got away scott free for their actions to each other Natalie gets jumped fights the bullies off and gets warned

[Jamie89]

Evelyn knew exactly what she was doing there, talk about milking the situation and trying to get Natalie kicked out

I think you're right

http://i.imgur.com/KXsqxq4.gif

(I also just wanted an excuse to post that gif since I went to all the trouble of making it and she's done nothing in the last few weeks so :whistle:)

[Parmy]

If one actually analyses exactly what transpired, they will see:

1. That the wine was merely in the process of being dispensed into various cups with NO ONE actually lifting any cup to their lips and attempting to drink.

It is impossible therefore at this stage, to state with certainty just what the HM's who were dispensing the wine INTENDED to do next:

a) Where they greedily and selfishly filling their own individual cups with no care or regard for other HM's not yet present?

b) Where they genuinely pouring the wine into cups with the intention of then re-pouring from overfull cups into less full cups to ensure that the wine was shared as equally as possible, and that each HM received a cup?

The only evidence we can consider is the TESTIMONY of the HM's themselves as to what their intentions were;

c) LAURA: "I actually was going to share it out". "I took it to share it out with everybody".

With no other evidence to guide us, and presumption and speculation not admissable, then we have to accept b) above, that the intention WAS to share the wine equally AND ensure that ALL the HM's received their share*.

2. Natalie, was BRUSQUE in the manner in which she joined the other HM's at the table; leaning in, arms extended and pointing.

3. Natalie BARKED commands in an aggressive and rude tone.

4. Natalie was ARROGANT and CONFRONTATIONAL when she snatched the wine bottle from Ryan's grasp.

5. Natalie was CONFRONTATIONAL, CONTEMPTUOUS, and ARROGANT when she responded to the HM's LEGITIMATE protestations by TURNING HER BACK and WALKING AWAY, and saying: "Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah."

6. Natalie had only mere personal PRESUMPTION and NO EVIDENCE at all, to justify stating that: "I realised that we weren't going to get any".

7. Natalie was AGGRESSIVE and VIOLENT in both word and action when she knocked Laura's arm away and told her to "Feck off".

My verdict is that BB's warning to Natalie was justified.

*It should be noted here, that the abhorrent game-playing manipulator Sam - who was later to defend Natalie and sympathise with her to the other HM's - was THE ONLY HM to actually selfishly scurry away from the table clutching a glass full of wine which HE HAD JUST POURED HIMSELF, whilst contemptuously LAUGHING to boot.

Rat Sam's 'defence' of Natalie was nothing more than a preemptive tactic to divert blame for the fracas away from Natalie so that he could later unfairly refocus it on Ryan.

Whatever DID previously occur between Sam and Ryan, it has become irrefutably obvious whilst watching this show, that BOTH Ryan and Sam, have 'buried the hatchet' - Ryan has genuinely buried it, and Sam has buried it in Ryan's back.

watched again and this is spot on.

[Lostie!]

Yes. It's physical contact and that should always result in at least a warning not to do it again.

But Evelyn's overdramatic "SHE JUST ****ING HIT HER!!!!!!" was unnecessary.

[Dollface]

Yes. It's physical contact and that should always result in at least a warning not to do it again.

But Evelyn's overdramatic "SHE JUST ****ING HIT HER!!!!!!" was unnecessary.

once again I find myself 100% agreeing with you :clap1:

[MrWong]

It annoys me that Nat didn't get angry with Sam and Ryan for being greedy bastards.

[kirklancaster]

watched again and this is spot on.

Thank you Parmion.

[Parmy]

Thank you Parmion.



:thumbs:

nice spot with sam pouring his then bolting.:joker:

[BB-J*I*N*X]

yes, she tried to hit Laura :eek: